Why do most monks use dual weild and not 2hb?

[Splade]

So, I'll be the first to admit, I'm a big fan of 2hb and idk why, I think I just love seeing the mobs health disappear in chunks.
But almost every monk I see, I see using dual weild. Am I gimping myself by not using dual weild? Are there benefits of 1 vs the other?

[skarlorn]

well, it is simple logic really.

With two hands you can fight two opponents. With one stick you can fight one.

u do the math

[Odann]

So, I'll be the first to admit, I'm a big fan of 2hb and idk why, I think I just love seeing the mobs health disappear in chunks.
But almost every monk I see, I see using dual weild. Am I gimping myself by not using dual weild? Are there benefits of 1 vs the other?

Depends on situation but mostly due to level. Once you hit 50+ DW is usually a better option DPS wise. Typically gives a bit more threat generation as well if you're tanking a dungeon or something.

2HB is 100% the way to go when leveling though, it's just better DPS across the board.

[Jimjam]

More push for interrupting those cheals.
Looks cooler.

[jolanar]

To me dual wield is more fun because the mobs screech in pain more often.

Not sure what that says about me as a person...

[Raev]

The epic fist + sos/som is more damage than the tranquil staff starting at 55+

2 NTOV fists are more damage than Abashis currently

Once the October 2001 patch hits this will all change and only players with FoN/Gharn's/BoF will keep using them

[Splade]

The epic fist + sos/som is more damage than the tranquil staff starting at 55+

2 NTOV fists are more damage than Abashis currently

Once the October 2001 patch hits this will all change and only players with FoN/Gharn's/BoF will keep using them

I literally understood maybe 1/3rd of what you said

[koros]

Weapons of equivalent difficulty to obtain favor duel wield currently. That will probably change with an upcoming patch.

[Fragged]

The epic fist + sos/som is more damage than the tranquil staff starting at 55+

This is a good rule of thumb, although T-staff still has benefits when soloing a few levels beyond 55. Besides the stun, there's also less ripostes, and in return you hit harder with your ripostes. At 60 epic fist (nothing in mainhand) + Stave of Shielding is about 3 - 7% more dps than T-staff.

The reason why 1 handers are better is because of because the current sub par dmg bonus on 2 handers.

What is your level tho, and what weapons are you looking at?

[Vexenu]

I think it depends on which weapons you're using. I mean, obviously Peacebringer is going to out-damage a Wu Stick/Knuckeduster combo.

But if you can get your hands on AC/SoS or dual SoS, I don't think any 2HB comes out ahead while leveling. I've got 2x SoS on my Monk twink and it blew away the damage of the Peacebringer. Just far too many low damage hits from the 2HB for it to be competitive.

[Lemonhead]

peacebringer and IFS beat dual sos and sos/ac to about level 45, then the duals start winnning. But you still have the ripsoste benifits from the 2 handers and not worrying about damage shields.

Also, if you are tanking in the early levels, 2 handers are better initial agro for those really fast fights (because agro counts even if you miss). And you even can take a single swing at multiple mobs and grab some decent agro to keep em off healers.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163763&highlight=monk+spreadsheet

This is a definitive DPS calculator (not including procs) until the 2hander revamp.

Oh and you can joust better with 2handers, especially with IFS (the superior weapon). This is really great for duoing with a pet class. It takes a little practice, but you can jump in between mob swings and peg mobs without getting hit. Or if you have root nets, you can joust your way to otherwise impossible solo wins.

[Splade]

peacebringer and IFS beat dual sos and sos/ac to about level 45, then the duals start winnning. But you still have the ripsoste benifits from the 2 handers and not worrying about damage shields.

Also, if you are tanking in the early levels, 2 handers are better initial agro for those really fast fights (because agro counts even if you miss). And you even can take a single swing at multiple mobs and grab some decent agro to keep em off healers.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163763&highlight=monk+spreadsheet

This is a definitive DPS calculator (not including procs) until the 2hander revamp.

Oh and you can joust better with 2handers, especially with IFS (the superior weapon). This is really great for duoing with a pet class. It takes a little practice, but you can jump in between mob swings and peg mobs without getting hit. Or if you have root nets, you can joust your way to otherwise impossible solo wins.

I've heard that the ifs is superior to the PB but even with my wu's stick, sometimes in groups I only get a few swings in (with fbss) before the mob dies. It seems to me the pb would be superior for groups because of the lower delay, am I wrong?

[Raev]

I literally understood maybe 1/3rd of what you said

The epic fist + scepter of mastery and epic fist+ stave of shielding combos are both more damage than the tranquil staff starting at 55+

Wurmscale Fistwraps + Fist of Lightning (2nd tier NTOV fists) are more damage than Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment (BIS 2HB) currently.

Once the October 2001 patch gives monks triple attack (which only applies to the primary, and thus favors 2H) and increases the 2H damage bonus this will all change and only players with absolute top tier 1H (= Fist of Nature/Gharn's Rock of Smashing/Baton of Flame) will keep using them over the Bo Staff of Trorsmang

Does this help?

If I were leveling a new monk, my priority would be:

1. Resist gear
2. Epic
3. Fungi
4. Cloak of Flames / 41% haste belt from Sky
5. Tranquil Staff

I think an unresistable spinstun is worth 2 dps even at L60, but it's not critical.

Once the October 2001 patch comes out, the Tranquil Staff should be more raw damage than double Sky fists.

[Gypsy]

Simple: 2HB animations look stupid (imo).

[Raev]

vs a NTOV dragon with Avatar:

Before:
Dragonrib Club+Wu's Fist of Mastery: 68.14
Tranquil Staff: 58.54

After:
Dragonrib Club+Wu's Fist of Mastery: 78.68
Tranquil Staff: 77.86

(numbers are not really accurate to two decimal places ofc)

[Raev]

This is not a parse, it's a calculation. I've found it to be a pretty good model, but it's up to you whether you believe it.

[EdTuBrutus]

Out of interest, surely TStaff twisted with Epic Fists is the highest DPS?

[mefdinkins]

Does this help?

If I were leveling a new monk, my priority would be:

1. Resist gear
2. Epic
3. Fungi
4. Cloak of Flames / 41% haste belt from Sky
5. Tranquil Staff



Why TStaff so high? I think some monks focus on expensive items like Fingerbone Hoop, Cloak of Confusion, Dragon Hero Bracer before they might go for a Tstaff. Are you just sayin Tstaff now b/c of how great it will be with October patch buffs or just regardless b/c of the value of 2Hander vs. damage shields or stunning or jousting or whatever??

[Raev]

I'd say all of the above.

For starters the Tranquil Staff gives you a bit of flexibility in terms of defense vs. offense. If your cleric is constantly full mana, then by all means go epic fist / sos for a few extra DPS. But if not, getting 2 unresistable spinstuns every minute is pretty awesome. You can interrupt casters, stop runners, and just take a bit less melee damage.

I prefer 2HB when tanking slowed mobs also, as ripostes when punching are like 15-20% of your total damage (when unslowed, only a few percent).

It also gives you the potential to play autism quest when you really need that extra 10 dps (tstaff will not beat NTOV weapons, but the upgraded Bo Staff of Trorsmang is I think a bit better because you can time the fist much better).

It's nice to not have to turn off auto attack when damage shields are up.

And it's only 30k. I'd definitely take a Tranquil Staff + BD/Bracer over Epic+FBH+DHB.

[Freakish]

Do you notice a difference in dps on super high ac mobs in kael vs low ac kunark mobs? Do they both average out on dps or does the fast epic do more? I've tried using 2hb in kael and it's depressing when your normal 200 hits are only doing 80 damage.

[Raev]

Do you notice a difference in dps on super high ac mobs in kael vs low ac kunark mobs?

Most of your damage comes from the ratio, not the bonus. It's like a 5 dps difference between the epic fist and the Bo Staff of Trorsmang. Everything else scales identically with AC.