Remake of P1999

[Dothgar]

How do you guys think an updated graphics version of EQ in 1999 would do? Maybe some small adjustments but im thinking: live trading, harsh death punishment(probably the same looting corpse/rezzing system), limited teleporting (so u can enjoy the cool nooks and crannies of the world), maybe basic aa's, updated but similar aggro system (more realistic vision). Everything about the zone design of everquest is amazing. Maybe it'ss just my nostalgia kicking in, but i feel like a modern version would be so dope-- no modern mmos match the danger/adventure aspect of eq.

[Tupakk]

Good luck prying the code out of the devs.

[paulgiamatti]

It will probably do pretty well: https://pantheonmmo.com/

[aMindAmok]

If this guy can do this with Unreal Engine then you can remake classic EQ the same way. Just sounds like years of work for very little or no pay off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qAe99qffUQ

[Baler]

It's probably not a good use of your time. :\

[R Flair]

I'd play it. Someone do it. I know someone is converting EQ to unity and once there, it probably would just be a matter of getting an artist to make it look good.

[R Flair]

http://imgur.com/OZcuUEv.jpg
http://imgur.com/55O2XXY.jpg
http://imgur.com/2x5VxxE.jpg
http://imgur.com/HfrD3JQ.jpg

Could you even imagine?

[paulgiamatti]

I WANT TO BELIEVE

http://imgur.com/Yhy5zaL.png
http://imgur.com/UxUDIQq.png
http://imgur.com/8WhuvX8.png
http://imgur.com/34tKxwW.png
http://imgur.com/RAyzSCg.png

[Nuggie]

Go build it in landmark.

[R Flair]

I WANT TO BELIEVE

http://imgur.com/Yhy5zaL.png
http://imgur.com/UxUDIQq.png
http://imgur.com/8WhuvX8.png
http://imgur.com/34tKxwW.png
http://imgur.com/RAyzSCg.png

Where did you find these fine images? This from somebody else?

[Dothgar]

honestly i think it would do better if it was a spiritual successor.. a lot of people who haven't played before are likely going to want to play a fresh 2017 game rather than a 1999 game remade... i just think a lot of aspects of the game are good-- you could essentially just remake it but re-name everything so you don't have to quarrel with sony. like you don't have to make the same names but have like all the cool parts of the world/dungeon design such as random portals in the woods guarded by spectres, underwater goblin temples, and dope starting cities

[Muggens]

Those images are pure art!

[R Flair]

honestly i think it would do better if it was a spiritual successor.. a lot of people who haven't played before are likely going to want to play a fresh 2017 game rather than a 1999 game remade... i just think a lot of aspects of the game are good-- you could essentially just remake it but re-name everything so you don't have to quarrel with sony. like you don't have to make the same names but have like all the cool parts of the world/dungeon design such as random portals in the woods guarded by spectres, underwater goblin temples, and dope starting cities

Judging by what we've seen so far, that's basically what Pantheon is. Except with new stuff too and things that weren't possible back in 1999.

Yet I'd still like to see a 2016 graphical remake of EQ.

[this user was banned]

no modern mmos match the mindless grinding aspect of eq.

FTFY

Content in this game involves sitting on your ass to regenerate mana or pressing the kick button every few seconds for countless hours just to increment a level number. It would be a commercial failure compared to the polished turd MMOs we have today with story driven quests and well designed dungeon content. Then again there's plenty of grind heavy MMOs in the Korean market, but their combat is more involved than EQ which is the appeal.


Isn't https://pantheonmmo.com/ the remake already in the works?

[R Flair]

FTFY

Content in this game involves sitting on your ass to regenerate mana or pressing the kick button every few seconds for countless hours just to increment a level number. It would be a commercial failure compared to the polished turd MMOs we have today with story driven quests and well designed dungeon content. Then again there's plenty of grind heavy MMOs in the Korean market, but their combat is more involved than EQ which is the appeal.


Isn't https://pantheonmmo.com/ the remake already in the works?

You aren't getting it. MMOs replaced downtime, danger and high risk versus high reward (sitting on your hands), with low risk and non-stop action combat that devalued your accomplishments ... and yet these new games aren't even drawing as many active accounts as EQ did. In fact, most of them can't even survive on the subscription model.

Not that I think an EQ clone or even Pantheon will ever be "the next big thing", but there are a lot of people who will appreciate that model more than the current. People want a little mystery and danger in their MMO. They want to be able to fail. That was what made EQ great and different. You had to put your time on the line.

[paulgiamatti]

Where did you find these fine images? This from somebody else?

Yep, those were done by Xevin who was inspired by toddfx, who did the ones you posted. Here are their original threads - Xevin's: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21477, toddfx's: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18950. Although Xevin's are also brilliant, Todd Kumpf (http://www.toddkumpf.com/) is probably the single most talented person to ever partake in P99. His work is ubiquitous - chances are everyone here has seen something he's worked on whether it was a hi-tech Lenovo commercial or some 3D art in a movie or advertisement. He mainly used EverQuest as a source of inspiration and did tons of 3D renders - if there was ever going to be an EverQuest remake (let's be real, there won't - support Pantheon (https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join) instead), Todd is the guy you'd want to hire for concept art, visual direction, and 3D animation. Here are some other EQ-related things he made:

http://imgur.com/gFxOcmF.png
Overlooking Oasis of Marr:
http://imgur.com/arj4aNY.png
Overlooking North Karana:
http://imgur.com/0OqJWOo.png
Ramp to Highpass Hold:
http://imgur.com/UWHRrop.png
http://imgur.com/w9v38YJ.png
Highpass Hold:
http://imgur.com/ugUPqgG.png
Qeynos:
http://imgur.com/CQQRhwQ.png
Felwithe:
http://imgur.com/Kb9tsRA.png
Faydwer:
http://imgur.com/3xrHG0Z.png
Map of Faydwer & Antonica:
http://imgur.com/bxQ7gnN.png

[paulgiamatti]

And of course, let us not forget (right-click and open in new tab):

http://imgur.com/bhhDIiz.png (http://toddfx.com/eq_bands.html)

[R Flair]

hardcore MMOs cannot fail, they can only be failed

we learned nothing from wildstar

http://i.imgur.com/RK9pDGX.jpg

The only thing Wildstar has proven is that a generic WoW clone with unforgiving DDR PvE encounters is not something most people find fun or want in an oldschool game. Not even vanilla wow fans thought it was enjoyable and it couldn't have been further from what EQ fans were looking for.

[R Flair]

Yep, those were done by Xevin who was inspired by toddfx, who did the ones you posted. Here are their original threads - Xevin's: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21477, toddfx's: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18950. Although Xevin's are also brilliant, Todd Kumpf (http://www.toddkumpf.com/) is probably the single most talented person to ever partake in P99. His work is ubiquitous - chances are everyone here has seen something he's worked on whether it was a hi-tech Lenovo commercial or some 3D art in a movie or advertisement. He mainly used EverQuest as a source of inspiration and did tons of 3D renders - if there was ever going to be an EverQuest remake (let's be real, there won't - support Pantheon (https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join) instead), Todd is the guy you'd want to hire for concept art, visual direction, and 3D animation. Here are some other EQ-related things he made:


Yeah, seen those ones. just hadn't seen those other Freeport angles or the Kaladim and Kelethin ones. Good stuff.

[Whirled]

Pretty awesome pictures. Thanks for sharing

[Qtip]

Damn daybreak should hire this guy to remake EQ. Them screenshots are insane.

[paulgiamatti]

Oh man, I just discovered these too:

https://vimeo.com/100273129

https://vimeo.com/101826717

I'd say Visionary Realms should hire this guy, but he's probably already making way more than they could offer.

[AzzarTheGod]

Oh man, I just discovered these too:

https://vimeo.com/100273129

https://vimeo.com/101826717

I'd say Visionary Realms should hire this guy, but he's probably already making way more than they could offer.

Yeah but I'd like to see some other guys chime in before we give this guy all this credit.

Isn't this just basic 3D model rendering and texturing? And he is basing it off a template not drawing from scratch?

I feel he is making AVERAGE money, as my gut instinct is that he is just an average 3D model artist who is just doing something cool with an outdated game.

I don't believe there is anything extraordinary about him. Just a hunch I know other people had as well.

[Lulz|Sect]

http://I.imgur.com/DywfmVz.gif
Syft Opinion discarded that artist is talented as fukk

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah but I'd like to see some other guys chime in before we give this guy all this credit.

Here comes Azzar, still nursing his feelings from that other thread, grasping desperately for any opportunity to be a useless contrarian.

Isn't this just basic 3D model rendering and texturing? And he is basing it off a template not drawing from scratch?

The EQ atlas stuff is pretty basic compared to his real work, and yeah I'd imagine the renderings are based off of templates - templates which he created.

I feel he is making AVERAGE money, as my gut instinct is that he is just an average 3D model artist who is just doing something cool with an outdated game.

Nah, I know dozens of graphic designers who don't do anything else for a living. Todd's work is god-tier - graphic design isn't the most lucrative industry to be involved in, but the merest glimpse at his demo reel illustrates that he doesn't have any issues as a contractor. You don't need anything other than toddfx.com to realize this.

I don't believe there is anything extraordinary about him. Just a hunch I know other people had as well.

Jesus, who gives a shit? How insecure are you when someone else's talent is duly recognized your kneejerk reaction is to jump in and pathetically try to debase it? Maybe if you actually tried accomplishing something worthwhile in your life you wouldn't have these embarrassing, corrosive tendencies.

[Qtip]

Yeah but I'd like to see some other guys chime in before we give this guy all this credit.

Isn't this just basic 3D model rendering and texturing? And he is basing it off a template not drawing from scratch?

I feel he is making AVERAGE money, as my gut instinct is that he is just an average 3D model artist who is just doing something cool with an outdated game.

I don't believe there is anything extraordinary about him. Just a hunch I know other people had as well.

Sad when you try to act like a forum troll but in reality you're just praying to have a debate with someone other then your mother. I feel sorry for your family. Give your mother my condolences.

[Lulz|Sect]

Guys why are you engaging a guy that sells cell phones from a Verizon Wifeless mall kiosk about graphic design

When Syft (AzzarTheFgt) posts
http://i.imgur.com/JdDHTBA.png

[paulgiamatti]

More dismissing than engaging.

Anyway, back on topic - I was just perusing Pantheon's site and came across a shitton of new gameplay footage on their Twitch, for those who are interested:

https://www.twitch.tv/visionaryrealms/videos/all

[AzzarTheGod]

Yeah but I'd like to see some other guys chime in before we give this guy all this credit.

Isn't this just basic 3D model rendering and texturing? And he is basing it off a template not drawing from scratch?

I feel he is making AVERAGE money, as my gut instinct is that he is just an average 3D model artist who is just doing something cool with an outdated game.

I don't believe there is anything extraordinary about him. Just a hunch I know other people had as well.

So again the questions stand

Thanks for 1 post barely addressing the questions raised.

[AzzarTheGod]

Sad when you try to act like a forum troll but in reality you're just praying to have a debate with someone other then your mother. I feel sorry for your family. Give your mother my condolences.

Anyone know who this guy is?

[AzzarTheGod]

More dismissing than engaging.

Anyway, back on topic - I was just perusing Pantheon's site and came across a shitton of new gameplay footage on their Twitch, for those who are interested:

https://www.twitch.tv/visionaryrealms/videos/all


Back on topic? You fucking blowhard, you just spent an entire post on ad hominem attacks.

Who the fuck are you kidding? Get over yourself 4-eye.

:rolleyes:

[Lulz|Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/EdkKv1l.jpg

[paulgiamatti]

Your questions really aren't worth addressing. What distinguishes "basic" 3D art from something that isn't? And yes, as anyone with even the faintest idea about what digital 3D modeling and rendering entails would know, you start out by creating polygonal frames for your objects in a program like 3ds Max before rendering more detailed things like lighting, bump mapping, ambient occlusion, etc.

[AzzarTheGod]

Your questions really aren't worth addressing. What distinguishes "basic" 3D art from something that isn't? And yes, as anyone with even the faintest idea about what digital 3D modeling and rendering entails, you start out by creating polygonal frames for your objects in a program like 3ds Max before rendering more detailed things like lighting, bump mapping, ambient occlusion, etc.

Another post, and yet more blowing hard. Who are you to even decide like you are the Chief Question Minister?

Are you a 3D designer? No? Then stick to talking about something you do know, rather than make speculative posts laced with ad hominem trolls and attacks.

I can't see how you can call 5-6 of my other buds trolls with this kind of posting style. Maybe you are playing for the wrong team, or have it all backwards...

[paulgiamatti]

And seriously - 4-eye? I haven't heard that since like elementary school. I mean props for keeping it oldschool, I guess.

[AzzarTheGod]

You had a lot to say in Blue RNF about this a few weeks back, to then turn around and act like a blind black person who didn't realize he joined the KKK.

Keep up the good work, paul. Looks like my assessment in the screenshots thread was spot-on.

[paulgiamatti]

You mean this thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256222)? Someone should go bump that - it's a good read.

[vincenzo]

Sad when you try to act like a forum troll but in reality you're just praying to have a debate with someone other then your mother. I feel sorry for your family. Give your mother my condolences.

This post needs more attention for its accuracy and attention to detail.

[AzzarTheGod]

You mean this thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256222)? Someone should go bump that - it's a good read.

I liked my story a lot better. Great thread though.

I was referring to a discussion in RNF where you claimed you were putting skarlorn on ignore. It doesn't matter, this sidebar has run its course. But if you know who vincenzo is, let me know paul!

[paulgiamatti]

I mean this thread alone is giving my index finger a workout. "Christ, another Azzar post." *reluctantly clicks View Post*

[AzzarTheGod]

Next time lose the douche and just answer the questions

It'll be magic.

[skarlorn]

paul is definitely a mean poster.

[Ahldagor]

Azzar, you been pegged a little hard?

[Spyder73]

I know where you are coming from OP, but I assure you it's just a nostalgia rush...There is a reason WoW has 10 million subscribers and EQ has 10 thousand