New PvP Server Brainstorm Thread

[bestovv]

Hey guys, thinking about making a new custom pvp server with my boy g-rad. Let me know if this sounds kind of fun to you or if it's a cringefest and the thread needs to be closed.

This what I'm thinking right now:

-Iksar Only
-Kunark Only
-Light Roleplaying
-Choose 1 of the ancient Iksar tribes (Kylong, Nathsar, Obulus, Kunzar, Jarsath)
-Iksar can be all classes, but classes are bound to which tribe you choose.
-Some classes are different
-All enchanter spells besides nukes merged into cleric class, to make cleric more interesting/fun/powerful.
-Beastlords
-Berserkers
-Mage pets are iksar golems
-Necro pets are iksar skeletons
-Tribes are like guilds, get pvp points/items for killing members of other tribes.
-Tribes are not teams.
-Completely open pvp
-Full loot (but friendlies can lock down corpses quickly and loot as well to salvage the gear of a fallen friend)
-Focus on group content (no raids)
-Ldon instances placed in kunark (maybe?)
-Shissars
-Quests from Cazic Thule
-5 village cities in weird places in kunark for each tribe instead of cab
-new better items/content for stuff brad didn't finish like dalnir, nurga, kaesora, and other places nobody ever goes

Let me know if this sounds cool or is a cringe, thanks.

[Ragnaros]

cool if u can balance it

[Tassador]

Need option for wasted to much time now need to focus on career

[HippoNipple]

-Cut out the berserkers and beastlords.

-Don't combine cleric/enchanter, they could essentially solo any content your server would have if it is focused on group. Those classes are already fun for a lot of people and would still be core classes needed on your server if it is focused on group.

-Try to limit teams to 3.

-Keep gear maxed out at Kunark era. Fill in gear that is missing from classic zones like lguk and solb and put them in Kunark dungeons.

-Have portals to fear/hate/sky still available but allow content to be done with around 12 people if you can...

-Don't have Ldon.

[bestovv]

-Cut out the berserkers and beastlords.

-Don't combine cleric/enchanter, they could essentially solo any content your server would have if it is focused on group. Those classes are already fun for a lot of people and would still be core classes needed on your server if it is focused on group.

-Try to limit teams to 3.

-Keep gear maxed out at Kunark era. Fill in gear that is missing from classic zones like lguk and solb and put them in Kunark dungeons.

-Have portals to fear/hate/sky still available but allow content to be done with around 12 people if you can...

-Don't have Ldon.

Thinking more about pvp with the cleric/chanter combined class honestly, definitely an overpowered for pve. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like clerics/enchanters were not big enough factors in pvp on their own (especially cleric). Enchanters got kills but very situational and tend to die a lot. I also find clerics boring to play in pve, enchanters are fun to play pve, so why not combine them. Could possibly nerf some things.

There aren't teams, pvp is open, anybody can attack anybody and loot everything they have. People of opposing tribes can fight each other, or work together. However they will be rewarded by their own tribe for killing those in other tribes. Basically Iksars want Iksars to win in general, but they also want their tribe to become top dog. The thing I love most about red is the politics and interesting alliances and treachery that occurs. You don't get this nearly as much with simple teams (like wow). Maybe this guild/tribes thing won't work, and the tribes won't mean much besides faction, quests, and classes and stuff.

Moving gear from classic into kunark would be good and would save time/balancing, will probably do that. (Manastone coming to Dalnir).

Don't want raids, just 6 man stuff. Roll with a tight squad, pvp, and get pixels.

K.

[Doctor Jeff]

cleric just needs bash and warrior hit caps to be really strong, any more chanter stuff than they already have would make them retarded op
double attack might even be too much.

[bestovv]

You may be right about berserkers, they kind of suck and don't make a lot of sense without aas anyway. But we might make aas.

Beastlords I think would be cool, especially if each tribe got a different pet graphic. Might rebalance fast beastlord nukes with rest of classic classes though.

[bestovv]

cleric just needs bash and warrior hit caps to be really strong, any more chanter stuff than they already have would make them retarded op
double attack might even be too much.

That's a paladin.



What if it's just 100% support. Remove nukes from the new class. Maybe nerf charms a little. I think it would be really fun.

[Doctor Jeff]

AA's area great because it gives level 60's something they can work on whenever they want.

It encourages people to play together and hold camps and zones even at max level.
If we had AA's on red, someone might actually care who seb is "off limits" to.

[Doctor Jeff]

That's a paladin.



What if it's just 100% support. Remove nukes from the new class. Maybe nerf charms a little. I think it would be really fun.
What I'm saying is... I want to be able to cast cheal on my paladin as well as click it 6 times per fight.

[bestovv]

AA's area great because it gives level 60's something they can work on whenever they want.

It encourages people to play together and hold camps and zones even at max level.
If we had AA's on red, someone might actually care who seb is "off limits" to.

Yeah, I agree, and I think something like a low aa max would be possible on a custom server, like a "spec" system instead of the "eventually get them all" system normal eq went with.

Also, note I think this server should have the net positive xp group mod that red has. Super encouraging to group play.

[Doctor Jeff]

-Full loot

I really like full loot, but I think too many people would be scared of the possibility "losing everything" and never even roll a character. Our pop would be as low as it is now (like 20 people on during my play hours)

[Doctor Jeff]

Also, Thurg music everywhere all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLda2TWPUb8

[bestovv]

I really like full loot, but I think too many people would be scared of the possibility "losing everything" and never even roll a character. Our pop would be as low as it is now (like 30 people on during my play hours)

For one thing, making it just kunark I think a low pop would be okay, 100 people would be totally cool I think.

Full loot is rough, but I think I would make leveling, gear acquisition much easier to compensate. Fastish respawns, and no placeholders. Good churning gear ecosystem. With decent items off vendors and maybe pvp point things.

Would also like to make plugging not work, not sure if that's possible though.

[bestovv]

https://youtu.be/cNbCP4WNt6U

[Doctor Jeff]

https://youtu.be/cNbCP4WNt6U

holy shit I forgot all about that guy, he's the best

[Jazzy]

Not sure about dis my nurga

[Genedin]

Guys over at eqpvp already figured out how to make plugging not work.......

If you want people to actually play on a custom server for more than a month, you have to give incentives for end-game content focused around PVE, or other objectives that take a crew and are not easily gained, otherwise, pvp alone ends up not being enough to keep people logging in.

[Slathar]

sounds like a shit idea thought up by a terrible player. it will never happen but if you did muster the will power to do it, it will fail.

[bestovv]

Guys over at eqpvp already figured out how to make plugging not work.......

If you want people to actually play on a custom server for more than a month, you have to give incentives for end-game content focused around PVE, or other objectives that take a crew and are not easily gained, otherwise, pvp alone ends up not being enough to keep people logging in.

I think it would be possible to keep the content group sized and longer/interesting. Maybe quest progression type stuff. Or key quests.

[Sirban]

drugs

[bestovv]

please take this thread seriously japan

[Sirban]

Make every single piece of equipment no drop to eliminate twinks, and force people to actually camp their own items

[silo32]

lol just lol

so you removed the worst part of chanters, there useless shitty nukes and merged them with clerics?

so gonna make a chanter/cleric and solo anything

[silo32]

sounds like a shit idea thought up by a terrible player. it will never happen but if you did muster the will power to do it, it will fail.

I like this guy more and more with every post

[Salaryman]

I came here to play Everquest, idk what you guys r on about.
if u wanna make a new game go ahead (lol) good luck with that industry.

[silo32]

I came here to play Everquest, idk what you guys r on about.
if u wanna make a new game go ahead (lol) good luck with that industry.

the only pvp I have ever seen from you is getting YT'd

you have a 60 sk and you are always LFG in ooc

not about dat life boyo

[Salaryman]

I have the best YTs, this guy doesnt play im a paladin

the only pvp I have ever seen from you is getting YT'd

you have a 60 sk and you are always LFG in ooc

not about dat life boyo

[bestovv]

the jokes are coming

[HippoNipple]

curious would people have fun on a like a resting weekly or monthly pvp server that you just started naked at level 60 and only had to gear/pvp?

no

[HippoNipple]

y?

I would never have enough play time to get invested in a month long server. I would join in and barely be out of cloth before my character was deleted. I would never get an epic. If you dumb down PvE to the point where everyone can be geared in 24 hours playtime then there is no longer a reason for people to be doing PvE and therefor PvP is impossible to create.

It is the kind of server where if I had a bad corpse run I would probably just stop logging in until next time.

The application of a server where the idea is you put in 0 work and just have fun isn't possible.

[Doctor Jeff]

you have a 60 sk

tl;dr whole thread

salaryguy is a pal-adin

do you even play this game

[Videri]

I really like full loot, but I think too many people would be scared of the possibility "losing everything" and never even roll a character. Our pop would be as low as it is now (like 20 people on during my play hours)

Consider this: full loot fosters a mentality of caring less about pixels and more about PvP. Items will change hands and you stop worrying about it.

[bestovv]

Consider this: full loot fosters a mentality of caring less about pixels and more about PvP. Items will change hands and you stop worrying about it.

yeah, and if loot is easier to get (no placeholders, no variance) I think this could reduce pixel lust overall and increase fun. Having some decent gear from vendors would be cool too, so you aren't just naked if you lose everything.

[Izmael]

Stopped reading at "Hey guys"

[Red_Messiah]

If it attracts enough of a crowd everyone will be there - usual shit though, boxers/hackers/etc?

[HippoNipple]

I agree that most people quit after obtaining their gear and dont pvp end game... but... im not exactly sure "grinding" for gear and levels solved the problem.

Like take you for example, you havent loged in, in how many years? and the server is the stellar opposite of the say, month long reset start at 60 server, perhaps you actually WOULD log in with this rule set and dont even know it.

Why did you quit playing on red99 in the first place?

Velious.

I don't like EQ after Kunark. Kunark is a good balance of no drop raid gear vs gear you can camp solo or in small groups. Gear gap with Velious is too big and I didn't have interest in starting from scratch on replacing every piece of gear from raiding. It also spreads the game out too much unless you have 500+ population and raiding requires too many people.

[surron]

someone once said just make a classic rallos zek style pvp server and only limit it to fawyder... i think that would be awesome... maybe even make gnomes allowed SK, woodelf monks, dwarf shamans and then you got all the classes

[MEGANS LAW]

enchanter cleric gonna be super op lol

[HippoNipple]

someone once said just make a classic rallos zek style pvp server and only limit it to fawyder... i think that would be awesome... maybe even make gnomes allowed SK, woodelf monks, dwarf shamans and then you got all the classes

If any of these versions people come up with were the original game no one would be here playing an emulated version of it 17 years later. There is a reason Project 1999 is the most populated server. No one is interested in these failed basement dwellers version of a RPG.

[Heebo]

Would play just to do PvE content on my holy enchantress

[HippoNipple]

enchanter cleric gonna be super op lol

-Charm npc

-Send it after someone

-Get it dispelled

-No worries, DA and it again goes after the other player and kills them

[bestovv]

No one is interested in these failed basement dwellers version of a RPG.

Isn't that kind of what EQ is?

If you compare it to mainstream success it's pretty much a failure.

[Kevynne]

Hey guys, thinking about making a new custom pvp server with my boy g-rad. Let me know if this sounds kind of fun to you or if it's a cringefest and the thread needs to be closed.

This what I'm thinking right now:

-Iksar Only
-Kunark Only
-Light Roleplaying
-Choose 1 of the ancient Iksar tribes (Kylong, Nathsar, Obulus, Kunzar, Jarsath)
-Iksar can be all classes, but classes are bound to which tribe you choose.
-Some classes are different
-All enchanter spells besides nukes merged into cleric class, to make cleric more interesting/fun/powerful.
-Beastlords
-Berserkers
-Mage pets are iksar golems
-Necro pets are iksar skeletons
-Tribes are like guilds, get pvp points/items for killing members of other tribes.
-Tribes are not teams.
-Completely open pvp
-Full loot (but friendlies can lock down corpses quickly and loot as well to salvage the gear of a fallen friend)
-Focus on group content (no raids)
-Ldon instances placed in kunark (maybe?)
-Shissars
-Quests from Cazic Thule
-5 village cities in weird places in kunark for each tribe instead of cab
-new better items/content for stuff brad didn't finish like dalnir, nurga, kaesora, and other places nobody ever goes

Let me know if this sounds cool or is a cringe, thanks.
you just made an iksar only clone of eqpvp.com.
lol
does sound cool tho, s4 zek anyone since s3 prolly gonna be FFA?

[Kevynne]

5 teams will be shit for low pop server, would need blue99 pop to make this succesful. Zek had a low pop and 2 team situation which is already quite hard to pvp on.

[Chronoburn]

I'm glad this will never happen

[bestovv]

5 teams will be shit for low pop server, would need blue99 pop to make this succesful. Zek had a low pop and 2 team situation which is already quite hard to pvp on.

the team doesn't dictate who can pvp who, its completely open pvp (you can attack anyone, anywhere)

its kind of just cosmetic or lore-ish, dunno, tried to explaining it to you fuckwits so I probably didn't explain it very well, or its a bad idea...

[HippoNipple]

I think if you actually had the option to play a better version of Red classic EQ you might enjoy yourself, but I do think that you might be the type of person to have to have it given to you than imagine it on your own. Which isnt an insult, its just a personality trait.

I mean dont act like ppl playing emulated versions of your game means your game is perfect and cannot be better. There are emulators for literally every game ever made.

I 100% need a game I casually play to be given to me. I wouldn't sacrifice other parts of my life to feed a selfish desire of how to better enjoy my leisure time, but that is just because of where I am at in life.

There are emulators because people want to play a game they like and emulators provide a platform to deliver that. That has absolutely nothing to do with individuals copying a game, making some shitty changes to it and allowing others to play it. People can do whatever they want but you aren't going to attract a big crowd to play a 17 year old game with your own crappy custom changes to it. If people want to learn and play a new game they will play a new game someone made themselves from scratch.

Someone who copies other peoples work and butchers it are the exact opposite of what you are portraying. They are the ones with no imagination or drive. They want their own game but can't do it themselves. If you want to be successful with an emulator and deliver what people want, you make it close to the original. Only minor changes to adjust for population and technology advancements should be considered if you want a legit box.

[GradnerLives]

you just made an iksar only clone of eqpvp.com.


There is almost nothing about this idea that is similar to zek besides the fact that it's pvp.

[fan D]

this is my impression of OP,

drugs

[bestovv]

http://imgur.com/K1jJi5R.png

let me know if you are mad and what I can do about it,




killing forest drakelings with my clerics new pet (with full pet control)


so fucking powerful right now

very normal

[bestovv]

Someone who copies other peoples work and butchers it are the exact opposite of what you are portraying. They are the ones with no imagination or drive. They want their own game but can't do it themselves. If you want to be successful with an emulator and deliver what people want, you make it close to the original. Only minor changes to adjust for population and technology advancements should be considered if you want a legit box.

Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day Z, Dota

u tarded dude?

Modding and fucking with stuff has resulted in games better than the base games.

brad's just another dude like any of us, u no?

just a dude with a crippling addiction to back pills...

[HippoNipple]

Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day Z, Dota

u tarded dude?

Modding and fucking with stuff has resulted in games better than the base games.

brad's just another dude like any of us, u no?

just a dude with a crippling addiction to back pills...

There is a difference between making a new game that has similarities or uses established graphics engines and someone making an eq server with only iksar and cleric/enchanters.

If you are comparing your idea of a server to creating a game like counter strike from scratch while borrowing ideas from other games you are more delusional than I thought possible.

[HippoNipple]

all that said, if it wasnt for the historically rampant cheating that goes on on Zek, it would (as it does) maintain a higher pop than red99 and it resets quite often, just saying.

That is a prediction and I disagree. Red99 has rumors of cheating and favoritism but maintains a small population. These zek servers have been coming out for years and no one stays on themy because highly custom eq emulator servers suck.

The only thing people enjoy about them is a fresh start which is why they now wipe every few months because it is all they have going for themselves. The servers that last a year literally go to 0 population.

[bestovv]

http://i.imgur.com/mZORG3j.gif
There is a difference between making a new game that has similarities or uses established graphics engines and someone making an eq server with only iksar and cleric/enchanters.

If you are comparing your idea of a server to creating a game like counter strike from scratch while borrowing ideas from other games you are more delusional than I thought possible.

[bestovv]

ya wipes are good, good churn


better than sitting around in a tunnel or main city inspecting each other

[Videri]

Dear Bestow,
I thought you were one of those smart idiots who are actually brilliant but waste their talents on trolling and disruption and generally take things too far and end up alienating people. I must revise my opinion.

Slightly.

This Kunark EQ PvP mod sounds fantastic. Kunark is vast and enchanting and it could be explored and appreciated so much more with this concept. Same goes for the Iksar and their five tribes. Also, I don't claim to know the right way to solve the problems of clerics and enchanters on PvP servers, but you are wise to attempt to address them. The overall concept is great and I believe many people would dive into this scaly world.

Another brilliant and immature person said it well:

cool if u can balance it

I know I myself have spent more time dreaming of new projects than creating them, but I would love to see this happen. All the best to you.

[MEGANS LAW]

Eta server list

[bestovv]

its on the server list, but no real features yet, need some more free time :cool:

[fan D]

why is hippo nipple mad lol

[bestovv]

why is hippo nipple mad lol

his mutant power is detecting wherever on earth someone is making everquest not classic