Raid Artist Challenge

[Tune]

Who holds the records for downing hard stuff with the lowest numbers?

I am doing this because I am just curious what out there is possible with the fewest numbers. I will update this thread as posters give feed back with confirmed / unconfirmed kills.

<Apex> is on the red server where only paladins can use soul fires so keep that in mind. If the guild used a huge amount of soul fires please note that.

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
???

Avatar of War
???

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

[kotton05]

I think awakened had a rather serious low number zlandi kill recently.


Are you gonna expand the mob list? Low number hosh and trak kills are impressive too imo.

[Nibblewitz]

Never seen this Apex guild on blue, but if they're pulling 40 then they can't be on red either.

[Tune]

I think awakened had a rather serious low number zlandi kill recently.


Are you gonna expand the mob list? Low number hosh and trak kills are impressive too imo.


i will expand it to all mobs i just need data

[Salahdin]

<awakened> zlandicar was 20 people btw.

The puller died.

[Tune]

<awakened> zlandicar was 20 people btw.

The puller died.

fixed it

[Daldaen]

Awakened did Trakanon with 11 recently. Pretty sure an 8 or 9 man Trakanon is also feasible on P99 if you optimize.

[Erati]

Awakened did Hosh w around 20, I can look it up

why is Wuoshi on this list lol, Ive solo clericd a 13 man kill that thing hehe

[Salahdin]

Would be great if people put their pixel lust aside for a month or so and tried min/max kills for the thrill of it.

Everyone gets a shot at each mob with their min/max crew.

[Salahdin]

Awakened did Hosh w around 20, I can look it up

why is Wuoshi on this list lol, Ive solo clericd a 13 man kill that thing hehe

Hmm why dont guilds kill woushi more than.

Might not have the best drops but still the tradeable ones sell for good plat/$ depending on what your guild does with its tradeables.

Plus the bow isnt that bad for Paladins

[Tune]

didnt realize wuoshi was that easy i never tried to kill it

[icedwards]

I'll have to look at our dkp page, but our lowest AoW was low to mid 60s

[Erati]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2300406&postcount=646

there is my blurb about Hoshkar, I think we had only around 16 people actually fighting the damn thing after the pullers did their thing hehe

the Wuoshi I mentioned was to get Rosen her Skydarkener so I dont know if it was even a real event I can cross reference the attendance, would be in my logs but I know I was only cleric and we had barely 2 groups. Was alot of fun I will say, few sketchy moments where the tank gets feared and I had to DA. He is slowable as well I believe...

[Salahdin]

Lol have you tried killing woushi near the KD zl and getting feared behind the zl so when you run out you zone in to KD.

I am assuming you killed her in a corner or @her spawn point.

[Erati]

Lol have you tried killing woushi near the KD zl and getting feared behind the zl so when you run out you zone in to KD.

I am assuming you killed her in a corner or @her spawn point.

it was in front of Kael usually - hes really not too bad tbh

@Murkeye the lowest AOWs I could find on DKP page listed 70 people but that includes everyone + themselves after the fact

I feel we have done it with around 65 before, just need to look at some /who's in zone it seems. 60-70 man kill is probably the lowest on blue though. I dont think anyone has ever done a true sub 60 kill.

[Zekayy]

Forsaken did the lowest statue kill with 29 at 4 am in the morning right in hokushins face it was glorius. Rustle also did Lady Vox with 5. Rampage did shit with low numbers like vulak Also forsaken did a 14 man kill to sev with no problems.

[Zekayy]

Correct we have recently killed AoW with 65, with a few trackers in other zones +ing themselves on logs afterwards. Tunare has been killed by Awakened with 64 also.

I Think I could put together a team to do a 1-group Trakanon, that would be fun.
War/Mnk/Clr/Mage/Rogue/Rogue


Yeah I remember this aftermath was in the zone or was that when yall were bacon/taken?

[Kagey]

this isnt rnf

[Zekayy]

this isnt rnf

it should be

[kotton05]

Pretty sure every thread is rnf now-adays.

It would be cool for a week with each spawn you get the guilds to random and highest gets first bet. Where they call their lowest number of guildies they would use. Then the other guilds would be able to call a lower number but if you wipe you can't challenge that mob next cycle but can continue to try to win on other spawns with each one being gambled on the lowest number... or something along those lines. Like a best of the best raiding

[Tune]

how long until i can edit this? lol

great kills btw guys

[azeth]

Post proof of every Apex # you have or they didnt happen.

[Tune]

lol

why would i lie at this point?


logs and gms can prove anyway

[azeth]

lol

why would i lie at this point?


logs and gms can prove anyway

Okay and until you post the logs or a GM posts, then we can only assume you have posted 100% untrue #s

[Tune]

thats fine

[coki]

Hoshukin soloed Ragefire... can add that

and a Druid (forgot name) soloed Phinny.... both are on video

[Kagey]

isnt there a vid out there of detox soloing ragefire?

[delfi]

Yeah I remember this aftermath was in the zone or was that when yall were bacon/taken?

Sub-70 kills have happened quite a few times. Some smoother than others lol. I remember one where the numbers of reapers and soulfires used on tanks/pets, etc was immense. While another, we maybe used two reapers and it felt like any other kill hehe.

I've seen AM do Tunare with some small numbers, I forget the exact #'s but you've had some very solid kills on her.

[Zekayy]

Still waiting for you to add forsakens 29 record killing statue kill which is still the lowest at 4 am

[FatMice]

Rustle did Vindi with 15, with guests Zoole and Sabrina (AM) Total 17

[Tune]

Still waiting for you to add forsakens 29 record killing statue kill which is still the lowest at 4 am

cant edit post anymore heh

admin plz help

[Salahdin]

Hoshukin soloed Ragefire... can add that

and a Druid (forgot name) soloed Phinny.... both are on video

Lol a velious geared monk with a soulfire/reaper (thats 6 complete heals) and mend in addition to prob been 5k raid buffed and been able to resist 95% of his aes in addition to wot pots.

So lets analysis:

Intial hp + 6x (lets say he ched at 500hp) heals thats 6x4500hp+ initial 4500hp = 31500hp, then add in mend and natrual regen over the fight (say 2500).

So he had almost just as much health has Ragefire, high avoidance and mitigation on a monk, and high dps, in addition to avoiding thru great resists one of ragefires dmg aoes.

You people thing EQ is hard? Its just what resources you have access to or willing to get.

If you remember shamans and necros started to solo Zlandicar 1-2 xpacs after velly era.

Dont get me wrong its a great feat but once you take a closer look at it it not as special as some of you make it out to be.

[Salahdin]

Ragefire was designed for 2-3 groups of level 50 raid content 2 expacs ago.

Its similar to going and killing the emp in crush bone at level 40 and been supprised it can be done.

[Tune]

whats ring 10 record?

[Nyrod]

Post proof of every Apex # you have or they didnt happen.

http://i.imgur.com/eZUDMIN.png

i lazily didnt take a SS of when he died but we didnt lose anyone but the tanks, was probably our best fight yet

i can look for more SS, but we dont need to lie, we just work with what we have vs trying to impress by lower numbers lol

[Ravager]

Red should be able to beat every encounter with the lowest numbers since there isn't 300 people across 4 guilds trying to kill the same dragon at once.

[Ravager]

At one point on blue you had to FTE and pull in a dragon as soon as it spawned, Dragon gets to camp 1-2min later as you are still batphoning, making a cleric chain, and tank list hah. That has caused a few low number kills on random dragons on blue.
Right, but when a dragon sits up all week on Red, it wouldn't be hard to plan a low numbers strategy and take a few cracks at it uncontested. Red should be the low numbers king for every encounter.

[Nyrod]

you are confused.

against popular perception people on blue go way harder than red. you have a much larger pool of people/players/toons to pull from that are polished and far more tools/clickies etc.

we do shit with 40 because we cant get more than 40 people online soemetimes and in that 40 are still plenty of warmbody/inexperienced/ungeared players.

we also attempt ALL raid encounters this way each week (all are uncontested and ALL are up each week not A dragon), we dont sit on our hands thinking up strats on how to min/max the one dragon we are going to kill each week, we kill them all and that takes a lot of time with low numbers.

[Detoxx]

Forsaken did statue with 29, gore with 23, dozekar with 25 and nexona with 16

Aftermath did velk with 16, klandicar with 26 and tormax woth 35? Dunno if tormax with 35 is the lowest though.

[Salahdin]

Blue v Red PvE comparisons cant really be placed on the same table either.

Soulfires, reapers etc trivials content PVE wise... if everyone is their own 5 charge CH cleric (thats dps who are hurting in fights dont need clerics to heal em coz opps darn CH sword clicked).

Opps darn cleric is late in the ch chain, click soulfire...that blimp is solved.

I play maybe 2-3 hours a day some days and see atleast 2+ soulfire completed msgs in that time.

Soulfires are OP.

Blue should always carve up red99 regarding lower #s on mobs.

[FatMice]

At one point on blue you had to FTE and pull in a dragon as soon as it spawned, Dragon gets to camp 1-2min later as you are still batphoning, making a cleric chain, and tank list hah. That has caused a few low number kills on random dragons on blue.

This was the fun shit.

[Alanus]

Lol a velious geared monk with a soulfire/reaper (thats 6 complete heals) and mend in addition to prob been 5k raid buffed and been able to resist 95% of his aes in addition to wot pots.

So lets analysis:

Intial hp + 6x (lets say he ched at 500hp) heals thats 6x4500hp+ initial 4500hp = 31500hp, then add in mend and natrual regen over the fight (say 2500).

So he had almost just as much health has Ragefire, high avoidance and mitigation on a monk, and high dps, in addition to avoiding thru great resists one of ragefires dmg aoes.

You people thing EQ is hard? Its just what resources you have access to or willing to get.

If you remember shamans and necros started to solo Zlandicar 1-2 xpacs after velly era.

Dont get me wrong its a great feat but once you take a closer look at it it not as special as some of you make it out to be.

Paladins were easily soloing Gorenaire during Planes of Power. Fearless made kunark dragons way too easy

[Swish]

Blue v Red PvE comparisons cant really be placed on the same table either.

Soulfires, reapers etc trivials content PVE wise... if everyone is their own 5 charge CH cleric (thats dps who are hurting in fights dont need clerics to heal em coz opps darn CH sword clicked).

Opps darn cleric is late in the ch chain, click soulfire...that blimp is solved.

I play maybe 2-3 hours a day some days and see atleast 2+ soulfire completed msgs in that time.

Soulfires are OP.

Blue should always carve up red99 regarding lower #s on mobs.

Not gonna lie, that's an A+ post <3

[Raev]

With the strat we use
It only took me a month to get you guys to try it, too :p

Soulfires are OP.

Blue should always carve up red99 regarding lower #s on mobs.
In theory yes, but in practice no one wants to wipe on a dragon that they just spent 0-16 hours poopsocking, so everyone zergs hard most of the time.

I think most of the NTOV dragons that don't gate are doable with 10. Get them slowed and then DS them down. Something like Bard + Shaman + Enchanter + Warrior + Magician + 5 clerics + pull team. It would take an hour, so I'm not saying it would be fun but the reality is that Velious raid content just isn't that hard.

[Erati]

thanks again Raev!

[kotton05]

thanks again Raev!

i wonder how low you can go on a ring war, like 15-20???

[Raev]

i wonder how low you can go on a ring war, like 15-20???

Assuming that you have enough time to disarm and weaponize the dwarves, then charm and haste/sow them, I would imagine something like this yes.


thanks again Raev!


You're welcome; I'm just an ass about credit for ideas. It comes with the PhD. If I am lucky I can have my pals in the cLaws of Veeshan ((c) Naxi) obtain a patent on this idea from Sirken.

[Joyelle]

And you said we never tried your ideas, Raev!

[Erati]

Assuming that you have enough time to disarm and weaponize the dwarves, then charm and haste/sow them, I would imagine something like this yes.


why would you charming dwarves who already fight for you help achiever lower numbers?

I think lower numbers are tricky, we really struggle if we only have mid 30ies with under 10 rogues, its very easy to 'fall behind' if some of the waves spawn far away from you causing constant running back and forth.

I think maybe you could do it with 25, but everyone needs to be self sufficient IE tanks willing to constantly disc and use wort pots/reapers...healers having some kind of mana group pumping them and of course no wasted raid roster spaces at all, everything is either tank healer or DPS.

[Zekayy]

Red should be able to beat every encounter with the lowest numbers since there isn't 300 people across 4 guilds trying to kill the same dragon at once.

Red Server still has yet to kill tunare

[Joyelle]

why would you charming dwarves who already fight for you help achiever lower numbers?

So you can sow and haste them

[Maner]

Ragefire was designed for 2-3 groups of level 50 raid content 2 expacs ago.

Its similar to going and killing the emp in crush bone at level 40 and been supprised it can be done.

Pretty sure rage fire wasn't added until Kunark as he requires an epic turn in to spawn.

[Daldaen]

It only took me a month to get you guys to try it, too :p


In theory yes, but in practice no one wants to wipe on a dragon that they just spent 0-16 hours poopsocking, so everyone zergs hard most of the time.

I think most of the NTOV dragons that don't gate are doable with 10. Get them slowed and then DS them down. Something like Bard + Shaman + Enchanter + Warrior + Magician + 5 clerics + pull team. It would take an hour, so I'm not saying it would be fun but the reality is that Velious raid content just isn't that hard.

I think you're underestimating the regen on those Dragons. Plus DS loses its strength when the mob is slowed. But I could maybe see 2-3 groups doing some of those Dragons.

I don't think the issue is so much the 0-16 hours input tracking rather the our guilds are built around 24 hour raiding and whoever comes comes.

I'd love to see what could be done if the baby drakes could be charmed by Enchanter's like they could be in classic. 25% disease slow on Kreizenn and Dagarn and Eashen and Vyemm. So delicious.

The real crown jewel low number kill would be Tunare. Both for the testicular fortitude of killing her with low numbers and the risk you take clearing the zone for 8-10 hours and then take the risk that you may wipe and end up having cleared for nothing. I can't imagine anything worse than PoGrowth clear without any Tunare corpse at the end.

[Tune]

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
<Awakened> 64 Players

Derakor the Vindicator
<Rustle> 17 players

Statue of Rallos Zek
<Forsaken> 29 players

Avatar of War
<Awakened> 65 players

Dozekar
<Forsaken> 25 players

Sontalak
<Rampage> 60 players

Ring 10
<Awakened> 35 players

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Nexona
<Forsaken> 16 players

Gorenaire
<Forsaken> 23 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

Lady Vox
<Rustle> 5 players

sorry if i missed something

i will add this to the front post if they let me

[Llandris]

When was the Forsaken 29 man statue? Going back to July, lowest # I see is Awakened with 36.

Highest is 142 with Awakened/CSG

[Swish]

When was the Forsaken 29 man statue? Going back to July, lowest # I see is Awakened with 36.

Highest is 142 with Awakened/CSG

where you been Llandewen? you should retire and come back to your enchanter <3

[Tune]

When was the Forsaken 29 man statue? Going back to July, lowest # I see is Awakened with 36.

Highest is 142 with Awakened/CSG

thank you Llandris

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
<Awakened> 64 Players

Derakor the Vindicator
<Rustle> 17 players

Statue of Rallos Zek
<Awakened> 36 players

Avatar of War
<Awakened> 65 players

Dozekar
<Forsaken> 25 players

Sontalak
<Rampage> 60 players

Ring 10
<Awakened> 35 players

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Nexona
<Forsaken> 16 players

Gorenaire
<Forsaken> 23 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

Lady Vox
<Rustle> 5 players

[Erati]

When was the Forsaken 29 man statue? Going back to July, lowest # I see is Awakened with 36.

Highest is 142 with Awakened/CSG

Forsaken was around last year, you would need to check 2015 Statues

[Detoxx]

Forsaken was around last year, you would need to check 2015 Statues

Was the second statue to spawn. Ask sweeni, he was there

Please fix

[Erati]

if you arnt counting Sweeni in your 29, u should making it 30 ;)

[Speedi]

Lowest Sontalak Rampage ever done was a deathless 58. We had a few 60's wins with deaths.

[Detoxx]

if you arnt counting Sweeni in your 29, u should making it 30 ;)

But I was including him!

[Tune]

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
<Awakened> 64 Players

Derakor the Vindicator
<Rustle> 17 players

Statue of Rallos Zek
<Awakened> 36 players

Avatar of War
<Awakened> 65 players

Dozekar
<Forsaken> 25 players

Sontalak
<Rampage> 58 players

Ring 10
<Awakened> 35 players

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Nexona
<Forsaken> 16 players

Gorenaire
<Forsaken> 23 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

Lady Vox
<Rustle> 5 players

[Tune]

any updates

[Detoxx]

I remember a Kunark CT where TMO killed him with 22. Also a Talendor with 15 not sure thats the lowest though.

Statue is still wrong. Forsaken killed with 29 the first respawn of him after launch.

[Zekayy]

When was the Forsaken 29 man statue? Going back to July, lowest # I see is Awakened with 36.

Highest is 142 with Awakened/CSG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7WFRg_OEY

Its Aug 19 2015 at 4 am est

29 people

[Zekayy]

I just posted the fraps to back it up too

[Zekayy]

Please fix your post about statue it wasnt awakened it was forsaken

[Pumpedup]

cool unemployment thread

[MEGANS LAW]

Hard cringe tune, hard fucking cringe

[Ragnaros]

embarrassing thread

[Zekayy]

Bump Still waiting for you to add statue as forsaken 29

[Tune]

Bump Still waiting for you to add statue as forsaken 29

llandris discredited that in this thread

[fan D]

ive never raided in everquest

[Zekayy]

llandris discredited that in this thread

I provided the fraps dude it's right there Llandris no offense to the guy wasn't a guide at that time

[Zekayy]

If he goes back and looks at the 2015 logs I provided the date the time and year it's there

[Zekayy]

Plus fraps so you're welcome

[Zekayy]

llandris discredited that in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7WFRg_OEY

[Sirban]

You need to rethink your life if you think this is an interesting topic in a 20 year old elf simulated game

[lurk]

Fraps seems pretty legit TBH. Staff didn't even look back enough

But foreal statue prolly doable with 20. And truthfully a ton of these slowable bosses can be beaten down in a long ass fight. The only thing that matters is an early slow.

[Tune]

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
<Awakened> 64 Players

Derakor the Vindicator
<Rustle> 17 players

Statue of Rallos Zek
<Forsaken> 29 players

Avatar of War
<Awakened> 65 players

Dozekar
<Forsaken> 25 players

Sontalak
<Rampage> 58 players

Ring 10
<Awakened> 35 players

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Nexona
<Forsaken> 16 players

Gorenaire
<Forsaken> 23 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

Lady Vox
<Rustle> 5 players

[Pheer]

Lol a velious geared monk with a soulfire/reaper (thats 6 complete heals) and mend in addition to prob been 5k raid buffed and been able to resist 95% of his aes in addition to wot pots.

So lets analysis:

Intial hp + 6x (lets say he ched at 500hp) heals thats 6x4500hp+ initial 4500hp = 31500hp, then add in mend and natrual regen over the fight (say 2500).

So he had almost just as much health has Ragefire, high avoidance and mitigation on a monk, and high dps, in addition to avoiding thru great resists one of ragefires dmg aoes.

You people thing EQ is hard? Its just what resources you have access to or willing to get.

If you remember shamans and necros started to solo Zlandicar 1-2 xpacs after velly era.

Dont get me wrong its a great feat but once you take a closer look at it it not as special as some of you make it out to be.

Had to bump this thread to white knight for hoku a bit, but if you actually watch the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAA4NeK46rE) you'd see he uses 3 x 9 wort pot charges, a full bladestopper, mend, and a puppet string charge to control giant agro when RF runs. No reaper, no soulfire. Solo ragefire loot for under 4kpp investment? Sign me up.

27 wort pot charges = 8100 hp healing, full bladestopper = around 4k damage absorbed by rune.

Velious geared monks still are basically Neo from the matrix, but your red server "blue sucks at the game for using soulfires" circlejerk doesnt apply to this one.

[Videri]

I'm intrigued. How did the druid solo Phinny? Surely a charmed pet wouldn't work due to the constant dispelling.

And even with consumables, it's impressive that Hokushin soloed Ragefire. What an epic feat.

[Red_Messiah]

I'm intrigued. How did the druid solo Phinny? Surely a charmed pet wouldn't work due to the constant dispelling.

And even with consumables, it's impressive that Hokushin soloed Ragefire. What an epic feat.

is there a recording of either happening? from what other people said the druid was using some kind of pathing exploits to keep the adds down? or something.

[Daldaen]

He exploited faction-warring essentially.

He would charm a casting pet, have it /pet attack Phinigel and then gate out before the cast finishes. Because charmed pets don't immediately cancel a cast when charm breaks like they should, the cast goes through and the old charmed NPC now fights Phinigel and because the druid zoned out they don't attack him. So its just two NPCs fighting each other.

The only reason his kill there worked was because a 2nd corrupted seahorse was up that assisted after the first one gated at low HP or something to this effect. Either way he wasn't present for 90% of the fight, he just ran in at low HP to land a finishing blow Nuke.

[skarlorn]

this thread is a lot less cool than Solo Artist Challenge :/

[silo32]

I'm intrigued. How did the druid solo Phinny? Surely a charmed pet wouldn't work due to the constant dispelling.

And even with consumables, it's impressive that Hokushin soloed Ragefire. What an epic feat.

soulfires

blue server

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

puppet strings

not classic

[Detoxx]

https://youtu.be/2cVuc5Bt4Us

[Detoxx]

Also here's a 16 man velk. Pretty sure that's the lowest!

https://youtu.be/MDIEHbdYuhQ

[fan D]

hey guys its detoxx! i always post like this!

[Tune]

any1 get tmax with lower than 38?

some1 must have

this seemed real easy with 1 tank to boot

pays when even our alt tanks have 1600 AC =)

[Tune]

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
<Awakened> 64 Players

King Tormax
<Apex> 38 players

Derakor the Vindicator
<Rustle> 17 players

Statue of Rallos Zek
<Forsaken> 29 players

Avatar of War
<Awakened> 65 players

Dozekar
<Forsaken> 25 players

Sontalak
<Rampage> 58 players

Ring 10
<Awakened> 35 players

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Nexona
<Forsaken> 16 players

Gorenaire
<Forsaken> 23 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

Lady Vox
<Rustle> 5 players

Velketor the Sorcerer
<Forsaken> 16 players

[Kushie]

I'm surprised Red can even pull 40 players. No one cares about low number kills over there

[Kushie]

Project 1999 PvP
Status:UP
Players:41

[Tune]

I'm surprised Red can even pull 40 players. No one cares about low number kills over there

heh you are entitled to you opinion but check it out

in the words of trump:

WRONG

I talk to people on blue everyday that are tired of poop socking and are interested in doing things small man , min-max

[Kushie]

Some people like single player games, but this is a MMO

[Kushie]

and jesus christ can I make you a new signature? That low resolution blurry shit is worse than Red.

[Tune]

bro me a sig plz

[Lammy]

14 Man Xygoz / Druushk
16 Man Talendor

[FatMice]

I am very proud to be apart of a few of those low man kills.

[Tune]

14 Man Xygoz / Druushk
16 Man Talendor

awsome job bros ,

ill toss these up soon

[blammo]

here's one to add

50 Apex / the unemployment office

[clacbec]

that 14 dudez have means

[Radiants]

7 vsr Radiant

[Swish]

here's one to add

50 Apex / the unemployment office

http://i.imgur.com/oW5BSyv.gif

[Swish]

Is that what he said? :D

[lurk]

Bored theoryquest here but I was thinking about the ideal vindi one group and when doing the math found that vindi could be doable quite easily with six and even tormax and statue given a lot more complex strat.

I think the best one group would be enchanter, druid, shaman, cleric x3. I think for a BIS situation this is doable without heavy use of soulfires or DA stalling.

I think this is the perfect make up for many reasons. The tash and malo is necessary for pets and snare is highly desired for cleric pets to finish a ch before a break hits them. Clerics and shaman need puppet strings but just 46ish trash for low breakage and no summoning. Ench and druid get their beast 53 pets. All pets DWing, with 40% haste item and full -MR gear. Enchanter pet is tank with druid hopefully obtaining rampage (this is a part of p99 im unfamiliar with, on live it was difficult to get pets on rampage). If you cant set a pet as rampage then BIS shaman with him and druid healing will work. Either way shaman and druid are healing rampage. Mob is positioned so just the ench pet is taking riposte and enchanter stays in his pets melee range but out of vindis, ducking charm until needed. This keeps from being summoned into instagib and allows charm to hit quickly. Druid maybe want to do the same, if on rampage the dog will eventually summon you to death and you likely wont have time to be chain ducking charm with patch healing ramp. Luckily pet will be mostly torpored and not a huge threat.

Clerics will have c2, GOB, potg and ft6 (this is a bis all out theory quest). Giving them around 25/mana a tick standing. During a 7 second rotation each cleric might cast 3 CHs a minute, at 330 mana with 200 spec. So 990 mana a minute, gaining around 250 standing. Giving a cleric with 4500 mana about 7 minutes to run out of mana. Wiki says he has 200k hp, i always thought it was 150k but at 200k in 7 minutes your six charmed hasted and duel weilding pets have to do 80 dps each. Making this totally doable with great gear, luck and skill. Of course you could switch out druid for another chanter but im positive the addition of heals, snares, and DS makes druid superior.

But what anout the other bosses. They have quite a bit more hp but the strategy would be the same except. When the clerics run oom you can stall long enough to refill. Firstly, npcs will ignore pets and try to attack pcs first even if DA. A cleric can load up DB, DA, SBI and dain earring for a total of up to two minutes potentially invulnerable while pets are still smashing. During this time a cleric can port out, grabbing a torpor on the way out, manastone up using bladestopper and stinging wart to keep you up and gate on back, rinse and repeat with each cleric..their pets rooted while they fill up. Wouldnt take long to be full up. If clerics run oom again then stall with reapers and soulfires. Honestly i dont think all that is necesarry but if anyone sees any gaping holes or i just dont understand how mechanics work please let me know.

Im obviously ignoring the pull but it CAN be done with that make up. Obviously not ideal but given all resources and no restraints its doable. Statue may even be the easiest as long as you preland slow but i just dont know how rampage mechanics work here. Itd be much easier to have a 10k hp dog RT over a 5k hp shaman

[Tankdan]

kill count numbers only matters when the content is fresh and clean

trakanon in almost 2017 with low numbers? who cares m8

[lurk]

Personally i find it very intertesting. 11 for trak is pretty impressive given the competirive nature of the raid scene. Given perfect make up and planning id love to see the minimum of many of theze fights.

Loved tge rampage video of vulak with 35ish. Cant believe i watched the whole thing. Even if heal tank, pump cleric, dodge AE is all it is. Its way cooler than bringing 90 people

[Naethyn]

4 Clerics, 1 Warrior, 1 Bard. Max raid buffs. Might be able to do Vindi with 120+ DS.

[lurk]

Would be a hell of a fight. I think i would bring two warriors along and three clerics for the extra dps. I know the ds adds a lot but damn that would still take a while to beat him down. Plus a war makes a much better RT

[Naethyn]

The idea is you don't have a rampage tank, because there is only one person in range. I bet someone could calculate how often vindi hits vs how much mana 4 clerics have with a bard vs how long you'd need to keep this up before he dies.

[lurk]

I see. Like i said i have no idea how rampage actually works here but on live while doing dain with low numbers he would rampage on my pet on his throne and hit me at zone in. I guess rampage range varies per mob.

Edit: actually im pretty sure that if the bard and cleric are in range to heal or ds then they should be in rampage range. I remember a plethora of fights on live where clerics ended up on rampage

Edit2: actually i remember doing vindi with 6 mages in pop and not getting hit by rampage. Also when i realized mage pets can root immune mobs which lead to my quest to see if they could slow them which lead to the two chardok slow items being nerfed. I need to stop talking rampage range absoluetly varies

[Naethyn]

You'd be wrong if you think you cannot stay out of range of rampage with just 1 person in melee. I don't see a single group having any chance of taking vindi here unless only 1 person is taking damage. That leaves the question of dps, and a damage shield is better than a rogue. It is just a question of getting the damage shield high enough before the clerics run out of mana to kill it.

[Detoxx]

Add a 31 man Dain kill for Aftermath, not 100% sure its the lowest ever but id think it is.

[Tune]

Lord Vyemm
<Apex> 40 players

Vulak
<Rampage> 35 players?
<Apex> 40 players

Cazic Thule
<Apex> 40 players

Zlandicar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 34 players

Tunare
<Awakened> 64 Players

Derakor the Vindicator
<Rustle> 17 players

Statue of Rallos Zek
<Forsaken> 29 players

Avatar of War
<Awakened> 65 players

Dozekar
<Forsaken> 25 players

Sontalak
<Rampage> 60 players

Ring 10
<Awakened> 35 players

Hoshkar
<Awakened> 20 players
<Apex> 29 players

Nexona
<Forsaken> 16 players

Gorenaire
<Forsaken> 23 players

Trakanon
<Awakened> 11 players

Lady Vox
<Rustle> 5 players

Velketor
???

post any updates plz

[Cwall 146.0]

what is the point of posting this when your guild, the only guild on red, can't kill half of those mobs

[Tune]

Did LTK with 25 recently

could probably go lower , wasnt that hard

[Zemus]

Awakened Tunare: 56 players

[skarlorn]

"check out our amazing low numbers kills" the dying guilds say because they can't field raid forces anymore

[Zemus]

"check out our amazing low numbers kills" the dying guilds say because they can't field raid forces anymore

Still the record. Count it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvr08sCPOc

[skarlorn]

COUNTED!:cool: