State of Wizards

[Nisei]

Thinking about coming back at some point, Wizards still garbage in groups?

I probably have ~80k to twink, could be fun, maybe...? What kinda stuff should I get?

[RDawg816]

Good wizards are awesome. Are you a good wizard? Most aren't. :/

As for gear, grab mana items. Some would argue that mana doesn't matter, only mana regen matters....but they aren't the ones that you'll be grouping with anyways so screw those guys. :D

They aren't about sustained dps. They can offer a lot to a group though. Can help cc, blow up casters, pick up/evac groups, etc.....

Or you can waste mana on useless crap and go afk to med like most... (hopefully not! )

[Pyrion]

If you want to have usefull DPS, you need to get manaless clicky nukes. First one is that staff from kurns. Without such your sustained DPS will be as low as a paladins or probably even lower.

[Jimjam]

I don't think 80k would be that useful for a grouping wizard. Your power comes from your spells more than anything. The number one thing to get is a staff of temperate flux. If you want to solo J boot are handy too. Instaclick nukes like solist want might be useful to you too. I guess you could get a prenerf fungi staff and manastone if you had the budget, that would make a difference?


Going slighty off topic, I'm not really a nerd at wizard, but here are a couple of my experiences:

Lost staff of the scorned is great dps for the first 10 levels if you want to cosplay a monk. Keep hold of it because at later levels it's a manaless group port to 1 zone away from a bank city and from EC. Super handy.

Root the mob on inc so tank can establish aggro, slowers can do their thing and so on.

Learn caster mob's AI so you can begin casting your stuns before they begin casting the things you want to interrupt.

Keep an AoE rain loaded so if you get charmed you can remind the group who is boss. Keep a rez bot parked nearby.

[RDawg816]

Keep an AoE rain loaded so if you get charmed you can remind the group who is boss.
Brilliant!

If you want to have more fun, get a Tola robe and hp/mana gear and a druid to PL you. Beating on 20 mobs with thorns and casting your pbaoes is the best way to get to 20. It's what I did on live. :)

[Lojik]

Thinking about coming back at some point, Wizards still garbage in groups?


Xp groups are not a wizards forte, and they lack any meaningful twink items to make levels go much faster. Icy wand is good for like 4 levels, and decent dps click robes probably not available until you have outgrown xp groups.

However, if the group makeup is right and situation is right, they can be an ok addition to a group (can be decent cc, decent puller, good short burst dps if you need it.) Some places like the hole, groups will want a porter for easy exits, and TL is nice if just one group member has to leave.

With velious, they again still lack in itemization, but with potg and group c2 you can get 17 mana/tick without medding, so you can solo pretty well and just gate back to ec for buffage (just be sure to tip cause those spells lots of mana, you'll not be needing the full 80k though i don't think.)

[t3kn34k]

Quadding is dank exp

[Vallanor]

...Accurate information...

Qaos is correct. Twinking can really only take you so far on a wizard due to terrible itemization. A melee toon can buy a kickass weapon, haste, and fungi and be unbelievably overpowered for at least 40 levels. A caster can... get +mana items and maybe some jboots? Your best bet is to stay near heavily populated areas to keep clarity up at all times. As a wizard, you can bind wherever you're exping and port back to NRo and run to EC every 30 minutes to refresh buffs. That's as close to effectively twinking yourself as you can really get without spending way more than 80k.

[Lojik]

Quadding is dank exp

With c2, potg, and lvl 60 sow hell yah. If not, wiz is still close to top of the charts to xp:time actually playing ratio...you can get a lot of rl shit done while xping.

[Nisei]

Do people invite Wizards to groups at all? I kind of don't want to do the quad kiting thing, since I solo/duoed on my Enchanter from 29-60.

[digitz80]

If you want to group don't play a wizard. Unless you have a static group of friends to play with you're unlikely to get invited. For regular grouping a wiz is poor sustained dps over time unless rocking end game toys, and whatever else hey bring to the table just doesn't make up for that.

[Nisei]

Because you told me not to do it, I'm going to do it... or I'll just play my Iksar Necro.

[Matalus]

You can get a group as a wizard with friends, most groups won't be looking to pick up a wizard tho with the 5 other rogs/monks lfg as better dps. Wizard is a quading/solo class for the most part, if want groups, as a caster, i would go with enchanter as best bet and can still solo well if want

[Nisei]

You can get a group as a wizard with friends, most groups won't be looking to pick up a wizard tho with the 5 other rogs/monks lfg as better dps. Wizard is a quading/solo class for the most part, if want groups, as a caster, i would go with enchanter as best bet and can still solo well if want

I've already solo/duoed/grouped to 60 on P99 as an Enchanter.

[Matalus]

I've already solo/duoed/grouped to 60 on P99 as an Enchanter.

Welp, you could get groups as necro better than wiz, but that role would prob still be more filled with monk/rog class unless have friends. I wouldn't mind a necro as they can split mobs some, but there is always monks lfg too, so yea. That's pretty much it for INT caster wise

[Aesop]

Welp, you could get groups as necro better than wiz, but that role would prob still be more filled with monk/rog class unless have friends. I wouldn't mind a necro as they can split mobs some, but there is always monks lfg too, so yea. That's pretty much it for INT caster wise

Fix Kat

[Aesop]

Also, wanna play a wizard? Come to red, we'll take anything and it's real fun to blow people up as a wizard. However it's kind of a steep learning curve, but just imagine how you would have to play if mobs were unrootable, but didn't always beeline for you and couldn't figure out Z - axis and you got it.

[Matalus]

Fix Kat

FIX KAT

[RDawg816]

You can get a group as a wizard with friends, most groups won't be looking to pick up a wizard tho with the 5 other rogs/monks lfg as better dps. Wizard is a quading/solo class for the most part, if want groups, as a caster, i would go with enchanter as best bet and can still solo well if want
It's not as jaded as this. I've never been in a group where the group didn't invite an LFG wizard when they had room. I've even had multiple wizards in the same group.

People (ON THE FORUMS) say the same thing about rangers and untwinked warriors, etc. Only a handful of groups have this mentality and I avoid those types of people, you should too.

People (IN THE GAME) will group with "less desirable classes" without much thought. If someone leaves the group, they try to fill that spot...even with necros, rangers, wizards, etc.

[Nisei]

I made a Wizard.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Vinesauce

[Vallanor]

I made a Wizard.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Vinesauce

That's quite a twink! I've often thought casters would be way better off if meditating gave you a set ℅ of your mana pool per tick rather than a set amount of mana. It would actually make it worthwhile to stack +mana items. That toon would be a non-stop nuking machine! Stupid Verant.

[Izmael]

I guess having that much mana will allow him to nuke down 3 or 4 mobs then afk for 10 minutes and do something productive IRL, which is always nice.

[Lemonhead]

From 20-40ish, maybe even a little higher, you can do more sustained dps with a 32/36 2hb, and tolj robe. You still can med between fights, CC/ nuke some, and save your mana for bad pulls. It's also a way more fun way to group a wizard.

My mage is set up this way. Solo, I joust between mob swings while my pet is fighting. Group, I think I'm up there with the monks, possibly quite a bit more dps.

[Erati]

should get Velk spell book imo

[Nisei]

should get Velk spell book imo

Can't afford, and I want something to look forward to later.

[Shodo]

Can't confirm this personally but i've heard people claim the velious quest clickies (like the robe from thurg, for example) are clickable from level 1. If true, that would probably have the biggest impact on your dps in group, since you can keep nuking while OOM. It's a bit of a long cast time, but at least for the 30-40's range that's probably about the right amount of time to land the nuke on the latter half of mobs' hit points.

[Nisei]

I made an Erudite instead and got a pair of Solusek Ro rings. No regrets. Was going to make Gnome but the 3rd person camera felt weird.