Everquest causes more harm than good.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I use to think there was no harm in Everquest. I realized during my earlier childhood it helped with a variety of skills. Typing for one, and computer literacy ( constantly having to upgrade - 4mg vid card to 128 back in the day) etc.

It seems the veteran EQ players have some more mental disabilities than others. So the question remains : Does EQ cause people to be mentally stable , or do the people that played and enjoyed it already possesses these feats?

Let's take a look at Project1999:

Here we have an emulated server for people to play a game made in 1999 - 2001.
Lots of people player , but the majority of these people are very obsessed with this game. I think we can all agree this game is an addiction that just never seems to go. People often compare other games with core mechanics to this one.

I find it really odd that the apparent drug use on P99 is very rampant. This seems to me ,a very common familiar trait with degenerate sperg lords and Everquest Gamers.


Ultimately, this has led me to my conclusion : I think people would be better off if this game never existed, whether or not they could find some other thing-outlet- to coordinate their mental anguishes with , is yet to be determined.

One thing is for sure though. Kerwin is one sick fuck

[oricalum]

I have to agree. The game should have never been allowed to the public, kinda like gay porn. Oh wait, you starred in gay porn!























yikes.

[Andrei Chikatilo]

my wife did not receive educated and is undesirable

i do not think drugs guy will bother me

he prays for this

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I have to agree. The game should have never been allowed to the public, kinda like gay porn. Oh wait, you starred in gay porn!


















yikes.


Your reply wasn't even funny. It just shows you are really interested in gay porn and really love the idea of me in one. In other words you got cock mouth

[oricalum]

Your reply wasn't even funny. It just shows you are really interested in gay porn and really love the idea of me in one. In other words you got cock mouth

Spoken by someone who has had many cocks in and around his mouth area.


















yikes~

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Spoken by someone who has had many cocks in and around his mouth area.

















yikes~

My Favorite part is when people are the first to mention cocks. You see see I made this post... Then the first cock to pop out was out of your mouth... That says a lot.

Again, more cocks out of your mouth- no surprise here. Got any more things to say? Theres so much cock coming from your hands and mouth I think this thread will be a hit.

[mickmoranis]

everything is fine in moderation, eq and heroin is tough to moderate though.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Good post but I have nothing to add at this time.

I will say that it probably isn't healthy for developing social skills. Also, it could be a dopamine destroyer.

DOTA 2/LoL etc are more of a dopamine destroyer than something like EQ, however it depends on how you interpret the theory of dopamine destruction. EQ could damage normal dopamine function by slowing down interactions and dopamine hits to an unnatural state.

Most EQ players will readily admit they are not a big fan of high APM games. (many have admitted this here). Is that BECAUSE of EQ?? Or is it a genetic predisposition?

I don't know. I can say though those people who played Tetris always baffled me...

[AzzarTheGod]

I use to think there was no harm in Everquest. I realized during my earlier childhood it helped with a variety of skills. Typing for one, and computer literacy ( constantly having to upgrade - 4mg vid card to 128 back in the day) etc.

It seems the veteran EQ players have some more mental disabilities than others. So the question remains : Does EQ cause people to be mentally stable , or do the people that played and enjoyed it already possesses these feats?

Let's take a look at Project1999:

Here we have an emulated server for people to play a game made in 1999 - 2001.
Lots of people player , but the majority of these people are very obsessed with this game. I think we can all agree this game is an addiction that just never seems to go. People often compare other games with core mechanics to this one.

I find it really odd that the apparent drug use on P99 is very rampant. This seems to me ,a very common familiar trait with degenerate sperg lords and Everquest Gamers.


Ultimately, this has led me to my conclusion : I think people would be better off if this game never existed, whether or not they could find some other thing-outlet- to coordinate their mental anguishes with , is yet to be determined.

One thing is for sure though. Kerwin is one sick fuck

Good post but I have nothing to add at this time.

I will say that it probably isn't healthy for developing social skills. Also, it could be a dopamine destroyer.

DOTA 2/LoL etc are more of a dopamine destroyer than something like EQ, however it depends on how you interpret the theory of dopamine destruction. I know guys who ONLY play DOTA. They are completely cracked out, and the Leagues guys are even more cracked out (Leagues is higher sustained APM) Like their personalities are completely nonexistent, and they get angry easily when not plugged into DOTA or Leagues. They have to be handled with kid gloves and you mostly just don't speak to them because they are so cracked out.

EQ could damage normal dopamine function by slowing down interactions and dopamine hits to an unnatural state. You will notice heavy sedating drugs like marijuana, alcohol, and even opioids are big in the emulated scene. Is this a way to cope with the low APM and still get a stimulating feeling of pleasure despite the stimulus (on paper EQ shouldn't be that stimulating, its extremely low APM) ?

Most EQ players will readily admit they are not a big fan of high APM games. (many have admitted this here). Is that BECAUSE of EQ?? Or is it a genetic predisposition?

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't know. I can say though those people who played Tetris always baffled me...

Reloaded the post with some expansion to flesh out what I mean in relation to reward and APM. unfortunately I cant explain the theory of dopamine destruction I don't have time for it and people would want to see scientific studies to back it up which I haven't had on hand for a few months now...someone on youtube put me onto it.

but DOTA 2/LoL are largely considered to be "neurotoxic" in a way that's profound, especially when its played for long periods of time by a neurotypical person.

[AzzarTheGod]

everything is fine in moderation, eq and heroin is tough to moderate though.

You cant moderate an opiate, its simply not scientifically possible. Putting cocaine into the same classification as heroin is a big mistake, as every college campus I have been to has blow all over the place and people quickly realize coke can be used in moderation and its pretty overhyped and a big joke.

In Boston there were college kids (top 30 school in the world) fully addicted to heroin. I'd walk into a party the host would show me around. He'd be like "OH, yeah...this right here is the heroin room if you're into that". *quick peak* All corpses passed out on each other. Like fucking 15-20 people.

Terrifying. This was a MAJOR university.

I blame classifying coke and heroin together as the reason they tried heroin in the first place. Real sad shit our government has done with their drug policy.

[bouncerr 2.0]

shrug yall both weird, dunno why u mention me every post and put me in sigs, obsessed

[AzzarTheGod]

I think u fully cracked up dude, nobody is talking about you in this thread unless I missed it.

About the sig, its gonna sit tight for now.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

shrug yall both weird, dunno why u mention me every post and put me in sigs, obsessed

Kerwin, we appreciate you being in our threads. You are a prime example of a grotesque representation of everything gone wrong via Everquest- and for that matter - Life.


If we mention you it's only because you fit the description of our claims of a disgusting world we live in. I never underestimated you though, I typically don't underestimate the power of stupid people in small or large groups. You are in fact very sick, and quite frankly no source of punishment is justified to rid us of your foul existence.


With that being said, please keep being you. You give some of the others hope and realizations that they could have never mustered until you came along.

[bouncerr 2.0]

rustled

[veemoda]

I always tried to keep my Everquest addiction a big secret from real life friends. I told/showed the game to a couple of people and they immediately thought of me as a giant faggot.

You have to be a broken person to enjoy this game

[oricalum]

I enjoy eq almost as much as the op enjoys starring in gay porn flicks (with cock in and around his mouth).






















yikes.

[oricalum]

Cock, must be the op's safe word. He seemed to freak out when it got mentioned.










I guess that wouldn't work in gay porn though, seeing that if you mentioned cock out loud one was probably abruptly stuffed into your mouth. ( c wut I did there?)

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Cock, must be the op's safe word. He seemed to freak out when it got mentioned.










I guess that wouldn't work in gay porn though, seeing that if you mentioned cock out loud one was probably abruptly stuffed into your mouth. ( c wut I did there?)

You mad I fucked your girlfriend? You mad I'm bigger than you? You mad I got a dandy life? Cocks? I'd make you my bitch in a second.

[mickmoranis]

You cant moderate an opiate, its simply not scientifically possible. Putting cocaine into the same classification as heroin is a big mistake, as every college campus I have been to has blow all over the place and people quickly realize coke can be used in moderation and its pretty overhyped and a big joke.

In Boston there were college kids (top 30 school in the world) fully addicted to heroin. I'd walk into a party the host would show me around. He'd be like "OH, yeah...this right here is the heroin room if you're into that". *quick peak* All corpses passed out on each other. Like fucking 15-20 people.

Terrifying. This was a MAJOR university.

I blame classifying coke and heroin together as the reason they tried heroin in the first place. Real sad shit our government has done with their drug policy.

ru saying u cant moderate everquest? cus thats what im sayin

[AzzarTheGod]

ru saying u cant moderate everquest? cus thats what im sayin

that's wat im sayin my radio edit

[mickmoranis]

kek

[radda]

Chaboo, yet a Fucking cleric. Please show us more of you life so I can compare it ongoing with yet shit forum posts. I stuck up for you once but you probably over looked that ya big fool.
GET in a pit with me son

[Baler]

Ultima Online still #1 mmorpg. Even in terms of pvp.

[hokuten99]

for me eq started as the best game i ever played. I played it because I lived far away from my friends from school and i didnt have a drivers license being only 13 years old. I played it from 2000-2004 because it was such an amazing game that i could meet people from around the world. After 2004 the game took a population dive and the content also got far worse so i quit playing without a second thought. 7 or 8 years later p99 came out and i played casually for a a few months reliving the old days, quickly it became boring and i used it as an escape from reality from real life issues which fed them and stopped me from fixing those issues. For me personally I would say the majority of it was healthy but near the end it became unhealthy. After cashing out then getting banned and focusing on real life again, I've picked myself back up and living life to the fullest and have no desire to be so invested ever again.

[AzzarTheGod]

for me eq started as the best game i ever played. I played it because I lived far away from my friends from school and i didnt have a drivers license being only 13 years old. I played it from 2000-2004 because it was such an amazing game that i could meet people from around the world. After 2004 the game took a population dive and the content also got far worse so i quit playing without a second thought. 7 or 8 years later p99 came out and i played casually for a a few months reliving the old days, quickly it became boring and i used it as an escape from reality from real life issues. For me personally I would say the majority of it was healthy but near the end it became unhealthy.

ne drugs used during ur eq career pal? I feel we don't have full disclosure here.

[hokuten99]

ne drugs used during ur eq career pal? I feel we don't have full disclosure here.
I started smoking cannabis shortly after quitting eq around 2004, but it had nothing to do with EQ. Never got into anything else and I still smoke casually today.

[Drakaris]

Good post but I have nothing to add at this time.

I will say that it probably isn't healthy for developing social skills. Also, it could be a dopamine destroyer.

DOTA 2/LoL etc are more of a dopamine destroyer than something like EQ, however it depends on how you interpret the theory of dopamine destruction. I know guys who ONLY play DOTA. They are completely cracked out, and the Leagues guys are even more cracked out (Leagues is higher sustained APM) Like their personalities are completely nonexistent, and they get angry easily when not plugged into DOTA or Leagues. They have to be handled with kid gloves and you mostly just don't speak to them because they are so cracked out.

EQ could damage normal dopamine function by slowing down interactions and dopamine hits to an unnatural state. You will notice heavy sedating drugs like marijuana, alcohol, and even opioids are big in the emulated scene. Is this a way to cope with the low APM and still get a stimulating feeling of pleasure despite the stimulus (on paper EQ shouldn't be that stimulating, its extremely low APM) ?

Most EQ players will readily admit they are not a big fan of high APM games. (many have admitted this here). Is that BECAUSE of EQ?? Or is it a genetic predisposition?

Greetings sir; when did you begin to post logical and scientific items?

Has your account been compromised by an educated person or have you actually gone through a phase of self discovery?

Either way I find this post informative and will do some further research into gaming and psychological effects.

THANKS.

<EDIT> here is an extract I found!

Studies have shown that dopamine activity in the nucleus accumbens is the same whether roulette players win or have a near-miss[1]. The release of dopamine every time the player wins or goes through the close-stakes experience of nearly losing motivates the player to keep trying, to take another chance. This kind of encouragement might be beneficial for a game that is based on skill, but it can be damaging when it comes to games of chance. This is partly what’s in effect when drug addicts continue seeking highs, even as they might report that they get little enjoyment from their abuse of drugs. They receive little pleasure, and yet they are compelled to try and try again.

As we can see, dopamine plays a sometimes dangerous and significant role in motivating or compelling someone to keep trying, despite the odds. Further evidence suggests that dopamine has even more influence on those who are already stressed physically and/or mentally. This presents an additional ethical complication for game designers, some of whom build games with a specific goal of capitalizing on dopamine’s motivational effects in order to keep players in the game. Games that are designed this way will likely be more captivating for those who are more vulnerable.

CONCLUSION based on this data:
Everquest is a game of chance rather than skill, since there are only a limited number of abilities per character that simply need to be executed in sequence; this probably explains why Everquest is addictive since people are motivated for the prospect of a reward, which in most cases is based on chance.

PS: I feel like this is something we all already know....

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Good point Drakaris, when we fighting in RL btw. I'll take you on your challenge

[hokuten99]

pve is heavily chance related pvp does require more skill than chance imo.

eq skill = knowledge of game, critical thinking skills, reaction speed, human psychology knowledge, precise mouse and keyboard strokes.

its not very different from a FPS

take it from a guy with a very high KDR

[hokuten99]

not to mention There are many times I've 1v1'd melee vs melee and I usually get 4 rounds in for every 1 round they get in. When it happens over and over and over its skill not luck.

[entruil]

Studies have shown that dopamine activity in the nucleus accumbens is the same whether roulette players win or have a near-miss[1].

this made me crack up... oh wait i thought it said russian roulette and near-miss[1].

to OP... while your message is well meaning and perhaps spot-on... I am afraid this would simply lead to more unstable LARPers out in public, in your neighborhoods and shooting fireballs at/near your residence...

Hey, I think LARP could be pretty cool, just not in the way it would be done if EQ was Dark City Recalled.

[Pumpedup]

everquest does not cause these issues, the game just retains the players that have them

like you for example

[Drakaris]

pve is heavily chance related pvp does require more skill than chance imo.

eq skill = knowledge of game, critical thinking skills, reaction speed, human psychology knowledge, precise mouse and keyboard strokes.

its not very different from a FPS

take it from a guy with a very high KDR

PvP is more about preparation and being opportunist. You rarely get a fair fight, but I do admit I creamed many Empire noobs geared to the teeth with my 400 ping to the point of salty tears and petitionquest.

[Semmysosa]

These forums also have long term side effects. The amount of self back padding leads to chronic elbow fatigue (CEB). Be advised.