Spell Scribing Speed

[Daldaen]

I finally got around to pulling my EQMac logs to determine what the scribe speed is supposed to be. I believe one of the developers said this was something that could be changed on P99, but here are the values. The change based on the level differential between Spell Level and Level of Player.

EQMac (Classic) Scribing Speeds:


Equal Level - 47 Seconds
1 Level Lower - 38 Seconds
2 Levels Lower - 28 Seconds
3 Levels Lower - 19 Seconds
4+ Levels Lower - 10 Seconds


[Sun Feb 19 18:32:10 2012] Beginning to scribe Minor Healing...
[Sun Feb 19 18:32:56 2012] You have finished scribing Minor Healing.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 1)
[Sun Feb 19 18:33:13 2012] Beginning to scribe Skin like Wood...
[Sun Feb 19 18:33:59 2012] You have finished scribing Skin like Wood.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 1)

[Sun Feb 19 18:58:53 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 2!
[Sun Feb 19 19:34:00 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 3!
[Mon Feb 20 19:50:03 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 4!
[Mon Feb 20 19:52:26 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 5!
[Mon Feb 20 20:01:35 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 6!

[Mon Feb 20 20:22:41 2012] Beginning to scribe Burst of Flame...
[Mon Feb 20 20:22:51 2012] You have finished scribing Burst of Flame.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:25:39 2012] Beginning to scribe Endure Fire...
[Mon Feb 20 20:25:49 2012] You have finished scribing Endure Fire.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:25:53 2012] Beginning to scribe Dance of the Fireflies...
[Mon Feb 20 20:26:03 2012] You have finished scribing Dance of the Fireflies.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:26:04 2012] Beginning to scribe Flame Lick...
[Mon Feb 20 20:26:14 2012] You have finished scribing Flame Lick.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:26:15 2012] Beginning to scribe Snare...
[Mon Feb 20 20:26:25 2012] You have finished scribing Snare.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)

[Mon Feb 20 20:27:06 2012] Beginning to scribe Gate...
[Mon Feb 20 20:27:43 2012] You have finished scribing Gate.
--37 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:27:45 2012] Beginning to scribe Cure Disease...
[Mon Feb 20 20:28:22 2012] You have finished scribing Cure Disease.
--37 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:28:43 2012] Beginning to scribe Cure Poison...
[Mon Feb 20 20:29:21 2012] You have finished scribing Cure Poison.
--38 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:29:22 2012] Beginning to scribe Burst of Fire...
[Mon Feb 20 20:30:00 2012] You have finished scribing Burst of Fire.
--38 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:34:40 2012] Beginning to scribe Lull Animal...
[Mon Feb 20 20:34:50 2012] You have finished scribing Lull Animal.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:35:15 2012] Beginning to scribe Sense Animals...
[Mon Feb 20 20:35:25 2012] You have finished scribing Sense Animals.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:35:27 2012] Beginning to scribe Panic Animal...
[Mon Feb 20 20:35:38 2012] You have finished scribing Panic Animal.
--11 Seconds (Spell = 1 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:36:04 2012] Beginning to scribe Camouflage...
[Mon Feb 20 20:36:41 2012] You have finished scribing Camouflage.
--37 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:36:44 2012] Beginning to scribe Harmony...
[Mon Feb 20 20:37:21 2012] You have finished scribing Harmony.
--37 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:38:14 2012] Beginning to scribe Grasping Roots...
[Mon Feb 20 20:38:52 2012] You have finished scribing Grasping Roots.
--38 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)
[Mon Feb 20 20:39:00 2012] Beginning to scribe Invoke Lightning...
[Mon Feb 20 20:39:37 2012] You have finished scribing Invoke Lightning.
--37 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 6)

[Mon Feb 20 21:19:51 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 7!
[Mon Feb 20 21:23:30 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 8!
[Mon Feb 20 21:41:45 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 9!

[Mon Feb 20 21:43:50 2012] Beginning to scribe Invisibility versus Animals...
[Mon Feb 20 21:44:36 2012] You have finished scribing Invisibility versus Animals.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)
[Mon Feb 20 21:44:38 2012] Beginning to scribe Light Healing...
[Mon Feb 20 21:45:25 2012] You have finished scribing Light Healing.
--47 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)
[Tue Feb 21 19:05:46 2012] Beginning to scribe Strength of Earth...
[Tue Feb 21 19:06:33 2012] You have finished scribing Strength of Earth.
--47 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)
[Tue Feb 21 19:06:58 2012] Beginning to scribe Ignite...
[Tue Feb 21 19:07:44 2012] You have finished scribing Ignite.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)
[Tue Feb 21 19:08:15 2012] Beginning to scribe Shield of Thistles...
[Tue Feb 21 19:09:02 2012] You have finished scribing Shield of Thistles.
--47 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)
[Tue Feb 21 19:11:02 2012] Beginning to scribe Thistlecoat...
[Tue Feb 21 19:11:48 2012] You have finished scribing Thistlecoat.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)
[Tue Feb 21 19:11:49 2012] Beginning to scribe Firefist...
[Tue Feb 21 19:12:36 2012] You have finished scribing Firefist.
--47 Seconds (Spell = 9 / Level = 9)

[Tue Feb 21 19:56:42 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 10!
[Tue Feb 21 20:36:39 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 11!
[Tue Feb 21 21:04:29 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 12!
[Tue Feb 21 21:38:42 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 13!

[Tue Feb 21 22:42:40 2012] Beginning to scribe Whirling Wind...
[Tue Feb 21 22:42:50 2012] You have finished scribing Whirling Wind.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 5 / Level = 9)

[Fri Jun 01 16:19:28 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 52!
[Fri Jun 01 16:19:49 2012] Beginning to scribe Breath of Ro...
[Fri Jun 01 16:20:35 2012] You have finished scribing Breath of Ro.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 52 / Level = 52)
[Fri Jun 01 16:20:37 2012] Beginning to scribe Call of Karana...
[Fri Jun 01 16:21:23 2012] You have finished scribing Call of Karana.
--46 Seconds (Spell = 52 / Level = 52)
[Fri Jun 01 19:47:18 2012] Beginning to scribe Improved Superior Camouflage...
[Fri Jun 01 19:47:46 2012] You have finished scribing Improved Superior Camouflage.
--38 Seconds (Spell = 50 / Level = 52)

[Wed Jun 06 00:42:36 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 55!
[Wed Jun 06 21:06:53 2012] Beginning to scribe Nature Walkers Behest...
[Wed Jun 06 21:07:40 2012] You have finished scribing Nature Walkers Behest.
--47 Seconds (Spell = 55 / Level = 55)
[Wed Jun 06 21:48:00 2012] Beginning to scribe Circle of Summer...
[Wed Jun 06 21:48:19 2012] You have finished scribing Circle of Summer.
--19 Seconds (Spell = 52 / Level = 55)
[Wed Jun 06 21:48:21 2012] Beginning to scribe Circle of Winter...
[Wed Jun 06 21:48:31 2012] You have finished scribing Circle of Winter.
--10 Seconds (Spell = 51 / Level = 55)
[Wed Jun 06 21:49:26 2012] Beginning to scribe Blizzard...
[Wed Jun 06 21:50:04 2012] You have finished scribing Blizzard.
--38 Seconds (Spell = 54 / Level = 55)

[Wed Jun 20 18:58:42 2012] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 65!
[Thu Jul 12 19:58:51 2012] Beginning to scribe E'ci's Frosty Breath...
[Thu Jul 12 19:59:19 2012] You have finished scribing E'ci's Frosty Breath.
--28 Seconds (Spell = 63 / Level = 65)


I would get very immersed if this could be implemented. Leveling up as a caster into a spell level always meant a 5-10 minute adventure staring into your spell book while your group continued to pull as you slowly scribed all 10 spells you acquired that level!

[isoka]

Did you train meditate while doing your test Daldaen?
From what I remember, it was slow as hell to scribe a spell but medidate definitely made it faster.

[Daldaen]

Meditate couldn't be trained until level 8. So the logs of the level 1-5 spells are all pre-meditate.

The logs of the 50+ spells are obviously post meditate and the scribe times are identical for the same level differential of spell vs caster level. So I concluded meditate and spell casting school skill levels were irrelevant.

[Erati]

meditate never changed the speed of scribing spells

you are thinking of "memorizing" the spells to your bar after scribing which is certainly affected by meditation skill

[Rygar]

There was a post in another thread by Haynar or Rogean I believe, saying there was a Titanium client issue preventing this... but confirmed it was indeed classic, just nothing that could easily be done. I'll try and dig up the post.

Edit: Here it is, it was Telin and a pretty recent acknowledgement.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283047&highlight=memorizing+spell+speed

[Haynar]

Based on calcs in decompile of eqmac client I get.

46 sec
36.8 sec
27.6 sec
18.4 sec
9.2 sec

Just need to find equivalent equation in titanium. And adjust. Maybe.

[p.pumpjob]

Should scale off meditate skill actually

[Rygar]

Should scale off meditate skill actually

I don't recall if scribing did, or if that was just memorizing. I know they gave bards meditate in like January of 2000 because a level 50 took upwards of 2 mins to memorize a spell without mediate (according to official patch message)

Daldaen's logs appear as if specific spells had different scribe timers, as he took 47 seconds on some above level 50.

Edit: doh, re read thread, this had already been pointed out. Sigh, dald also have explanation of why scribe time was different... mobile forumQuest sux.

[Daldaen]

Immersion occurs while staring at spell book after spell levels. Everyone needs this immersion.

[Daldaen]

Bump any chance new wizardry has come to light that could force these classic scribe times? Dinging a new spell level should always schedule you for a solid 10 minutes of staring at your spell book during classic.

[Sunderfury]

Rogean: Removed the client's ability to visually and arbitrarily cap certain skills. The server is now authority.

Here's to hoping Rogean can do the same for scribing speed.

[Haynar]

This is not trivial. Scribe speed is attached to the rate at which it refreshes the UI. So completely altering the rate which the UI refreshes, when a spell is scribed is not easy. And then making it variable based on a skill?

I tried a few times. And it was a mess.

You have to remember, modifying memory is not trivial. It often takes hours and hours to attempt a small change, that may or may not do anything.

This is a hard one to alter.

I don’t think some of you understand how difficult some changes are to make.

Having tried this one a few times? No way am I looking at it again. 20 hrs to get nowhere? Not so much fun.

Especially when stuff that is figured out, like disabling mouse scroll zoom, cycle thru npc targets, are left in?

Spell scribe speed is not important. Not to me.

[Sunderfury]

https://i.imgur.com/KS7io35.jpg

The die-hards appreciate your efforts on this one HPH, sorry to hear things didn't work out.

[Danth]

...when stuff that is figured out, like disabling mouse scroll zoom, cycle thru npc targets, are left in?

This part is hugely unfortunate. Both of these features make the game much easier for mediocre players.

Danth