For fans of heavy metal [Lot of Youtube links]

[Csihar]

Traditional heavy metal, which includes NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal)

Judas Priest. The second most important band to metal after Black Sabbath.
Sinner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrdEuEWBIFQ

Motörhead. Lemmy didn't consider his band to be metal and I can see why but they are inseperable from metal. Their influence cannot be overstated.
Stay Clean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvScReIRZOA

Rainbow
Stargazer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXy1OhaERY

Scorpions. Not a metal band but they had metal songs.
Dark Lady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_36fjL5Z84

Diamond Head
It's Electric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMnmIGZPUE

Satan
Trial by Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Nei5Axde4

Mercyful Fate
Don't Break the Oath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCOqNHzM0k

Raven
Hard Ride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE62kMm2XmI

Angel Witch
Atlantis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPJTXI2ZLM

Saxon
To Hell and Back Again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um-6mGZxqo8

Tygers of Pan Tang
Gangland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX92w-WEiQ4

Girlschool
Demolition Boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAX96Lr8Y8

Holocaust
Death or Glory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvR3YZQyoA

Blitzkrieg
Blitzkrieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll4Ij58497Q

Tank
Run Like Hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wolPKDKdN_U

[Csihar]

SPEED METAL

A very natural evolution from traditional metal, spurred on by Motörhead in particular. Can be seen as a sort of transitional subgenre, from which thrash and power metal would spring directly and death and black metal indirectly. Difficult to find a pure speed metal band.

Exciter
Violence & Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdnkCMVzusI

Agent Steel
Agents of Steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdCwdfjMqHg

Razor
Killer Instinct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5-iqmpUEsY

Helloween. Beginning of European power metal
Murderer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNsCdUok7lc

Slayer. Already thrash metal but the speed metal was still strong. Pre-Reign in Blood Slayer is best.
The Antichrist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGTW6eX8ug

Accept
Fast as a Shark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTeXBTStek0

Running Wild
Victim of State's Power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h591GVue3_M

[Csihar]

THRASH METAL

Evolved from speed metal, Venom, Motörhead, hardcore punk...

Chose songs based on variety and somewhat lesser known bands.

Coroner
Die By My Hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BArMp_mNkI

Artillery
Khomaniac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SewlhBM2PSE

VOÏVOD
Ravenous Medicine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Ly8nstfxo

Morbid Saint
Lock Up Your Children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGx_lkJsCZI

Dark Angel
The Burning of Sodom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRDX9gBeRc

Slayer (obviously very well known but their first 2 releases are overlooked)
At Dawn They Sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hTE_oFOoQ

Metal Church
Start the Fire (could've been placed under traditional metal easily)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hTE_oFOoQ

Death Angel
Thrashers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AooZ9L6L1KU

Anacrusis
Sound the Alarm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeJZd1ru6i8

Sadus
Certain Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfyl_OYycHY

Flotsam and Jetsam
No Place for Disgrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBE3mXKKw40

Sabbat
Do Dark Horses Dream of Nightmares?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYKocAF3Rl4

[Csihar]

POWER METAL, American

When the term 'power metal' is used it mostly refers to the dominant and most widespread style that developed in Europe. There was an American power metal scene

though, quite distinct from the Euro version. Very thrashy and some bands shared the scene with thrash bands.

Iced Earth
Angel Holocaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJBjRFoFeSU

Sanctuary
Die For My Sins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExMRGMfG1o

Virgin Steele
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOCvWk0o5II

Jag Panzer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruxGZAgM0Rk

Manilla Road
Dementia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy39SwrWjtE

Riot
ThunderSteel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUysqemMmg

[Csihar]

POWER METAL, European

Where thrash metal took traditional and speed metal in a darker, more aggressive direction, power metal took it in the other direction. Very apparent in the European

version. They sing about dragons and wizards and shit. 95% cheese genre.

Helloween. The originators. Kai Hansen would one day not suck as a vocalist
Ride the Sky (Speed metal influence still strong)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug_JdOQDxwY

Helloween
I'm Alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heZQVYvHPsc

Blind Guardian
I'm Alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6OXS9YRpCs

Kamelot (American band but definitely Euro styled)
When the Lights Are Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLR5k8jedyc

Running Wild
Riding the Storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTlhUfBLKlM

[Csihar]

DEATH METAL

Grew out of thrash metal, Venom influence and bands that only be called 'extreme metal' in my opinion (ie. Hellhammer). Very much an American genre.

Death. The first and still one of the best.
Forgotten Past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0yZ7elqyKc

Morbid Angel
Suffocation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltRrzyggNao

Autopsy
Pagan Saviour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr9sdori58U

Pestilence
Dehydrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5Ajt3r5xA

Obituary
Gates to Hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHGaMJTQai0

Incantation
The Ibex Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1aMhfvumas

Atheist
Brains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmZ_hx2wJV4

Immolation
Higher Coward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFTh-Dew6e4

Cryptopsy
Crown of Horns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYv269-HcqU

Most modern death metal is soulless, cold and terrible.

DEATH METAL, Swedish

The Swedes had their own take on it.

Entombed
Chaos Breed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnqYdV2rhuQ

Dismember
Bleed For Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjrz93QOeG0

Unleashed
Onward into Countless Battles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Na9-41mg4

Carnage
Malignant Epitaph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjeQaBS5uFk

[Csihar]

BLACK METAL, First wave

The so-called first wave of black metal is more a collection of music that would end up influencing the so-called second wave of black metal or more accurately

simply black metal. Most "first wave" bands can be tied together by the fact they used Satanic lyrics/imagery and nothing more. The actual music often has a base in

speed, thrash or death metal. Chose songs based on how 'extreme' they were. Venom is incredibly important yet again.

Hellhammer
Messiah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjY6CQp70NQ

Tormentor
Elizabeth Bathory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7AtgbonKEk

Kreator
Tormentor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjTWJNhfnDo

Sodom
Blasphemer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAh1yjVRAA

Mayhem
Deathcrush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCHwsp9bSc

Sepultura
Troops of Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unHDxVXEB9o

Sarcofago
Nightmare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqKbwNjL_I

[Csihar]

BLACK METAL, Second wave

The Norwegian scene. Turned black metal into an actual subgenre. Influenced by Venom, the "first wave", speed metal, thrash metal, death metal and most importantly

by the band Bathory. Included Bathory songs here because of how much important they were.

Bathory
Call from the Grave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRR0Gc0YuZs

Bathory
Chariots of Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2W7rGd4j8

Mayhem
Freezing Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8VIhIIq-kk

Darkthrone
As Flittermice as Satans Spys [sic]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIKHI0NX1yU

Thorns
Aerie Descent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwgZHgm8Dg

Burzum
Key to the Gate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnc8uKJt-vs

Some diversity:

Drudkh
False Dawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-jvepdxLpY

Primordial
Gods to the Godless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DhGvv6NCEk

Emperor
Ye Entrancemperium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R_TFu4Nmd4

Ulver
Kapitel II: Soelen Gaaer Bag Aase Ned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzZN_izexss

Gris
Cicatrice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhEQEJOogHI

Dissection
Where Dead Angels Lie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-uM6oDkw8c

Negură Bunget
Ţesarul de Lumini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-SCyXecLZg

Stronghold
Lost Lost to Where No Pathway Goes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBfkDH3F1GA

Wolves in the Throne Room
Queen of the Borrowed Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woTPLIYSn54

[Angushjalmur]

Good post. I would have chosen some different bands/ songs, but not bad


http://i.imgur.com/wdJQCn8.png

[Csihar]

It's partially introductory. Didn't spent much time selecting songs. Too much effort :)

Still need to go into doom metal and its derivatives and doomish metal. Folk metal, industrial and prog. Fuck groove metal.

If there are some metal fans here it could be interesting to go deeper into certain styles.

For death metal for example you can focus on technical styles, 'brutal' styles, old school styles, styles that fuse it with prog, the swedish stuff etc. Can dedicate a very long post to each single style.

Post some bands/songs if you'd like. What does yee fancy in metal?
I'd say my favourites would be traditional, thrash and black metal.

[Ahldagor]

1349
Behemoth
Krisiun
Zyklon
Amon Amarth
Wolves in the Throne Room
Midnight Odyssey
Old Man's Child
Fen
Opeth
Marduk
Satryicon
Ihsahn
Gojira
Gorgoroth
Mrykskog

Could be added in applicable spots.

[Daywolf]

List invalid, missing Metallica. Metallica ranks around #3 of most influential metal bands ever, and certainly the top thrash metal band of history. Personal taste, they rank above the top two most influential metal bands of the widely accepted lists around.

And I wouldn't put any form of punk in resemblance of metal, may as well throw country in too. They only share roots, being from blues and then rock. Time scale may be the same as with most rock (common 4/4), but technique is completely different.

[Psionide]

Manowar is like the personification of power metal and they were the world's loudest band at certain points.

[Csihar]

No Cyber Metal? No Metal Core? No Emo Metal? No Lithium metal? No Steam metal?

You are lacking

I don't take any shit from someone who clearly skips leg day.

List invalid, missing Metallica. Metallica ranks around #3 of most influential metal bands ever, and certainly the top thrash metal band of history. Personal taste, they rank above the top two most influential metal bands of the widely accepted lists around

"Chose songs based on variety and somewhat lesser known bands."

That was the only reason why.

I don't agree with #3 but they are without a single shred of a doubt one of the most influential metal bands ever. And there a lot of idiots who don't realize this and even minimize their first 2 albums because of their later work. Metallica had a huge effect on metal and no thrash without them.

And I wouldn't put any form of punk in resemblance of metal, may as well throw country in too. They only share roots, being from blues and then rock. Time scale may be the same as with most rock (common 4/4), but technique is completely different.

You're very wrong here. I agree that their formation was different but there has been influence on both sides.

Motörhead is widely seen as a metal band (Lemmy always claimed them as simply 'rock and roll') but Lemmy thinks they were more alike to The Damned for example (there's an interview if you want me to fish it up). It's one of the bands that both metal and punk fans liked.

Venom was very influenced by punk.

Metallica was very influenced by punk.

Bathory was very influenced by punk.

Sludge metal is very influenced by punk.

Then there is of course Crossover thrash, grindcore, d-beat, crust punk, street punk etc.

Punk band Amebix. No metal in their sound?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QzdubnPPCo

Punk band Charged G.B.H.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAqeA5Hc0K4

Metal band Bathory before their debut album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-iuIArton4

Discharge?

Manowar is like the personification of power metal and they were the world's loudest band at certain points.

Definitely should have been added to US power metal yeah.

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Behemoth
Krisiun
Zyklon
Amon Amarth
Wolves in the Throne Room
Midnight Odyssey
Old Man's Child
Fen
Opeth
Marduk
Satryicon
Ihsahn
Gojira
Gorgoroth
Mrykskog

Could be added in applicable spots.

Behemoth is a good suggestion for the black/death crossover stuff. I should add a post for that. I don't like Behemoth myself but "The Satanist" is a monster album.

WitTR is up there by the way. Feel free to add some scenes. If you're into WitTR you can post up some "Cascadian" black metal. US black metal scene deserves its own post. The Norwegian stuff is > all but the US bands have made their mark. Might get that it.


Metallica doesn't count after Cliff died

They had 2 more good records. AJFA was severely damaged by the production though. My enjoyment of the first 3 (especially KEA and RtL) > AJFA and The Black Album but they're still good.

[Nihilist_santa]

1349
Behemoth
Krisiun
Zyklon
Amon Amarth
Wolves in the Throne Room
Midnight Odyssey
Old Man's Child
Fen
Opeth
Marduk
Satryicon
Ihsahn
Gojira
Gorgoroth
Mrykskog

Could be added in applicable spots.

Hurr durr Nazis are bad guys.

List nordic pagan Nazi influenced bands.

[Csihar]

DOOM METAL

Traditional doom metal

They retained parts of "metal" that most other metal bands shed. Very 70s music with a quite a direct lineage from Black Sabbath. Blue Cheer was also a very important band.

Pagan Altar
Judgement of the Dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIyTm5BIoVw

Pentagram
Relentless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZi4bm_LS6g

Candlemass
Solitude (as much as I love Messiah Marcolin, it had to be a song from their debut album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woe_4gkS4XU

Trouble
Bastards Will Pay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmWgpiBtx-E

Reverend Bizarre
Doom Over the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fZ-of7iH7A

Solitude Aeturnus
Seeds of the Desolate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9UuvtSRV24

Saint Vitus
White Magic / Black Magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2q-PPdF7c0

Spiritus Mortis (with Sami Hynninen aka Albert Witchfinder on vocals)
Man of Steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDY2_SAlJAw

Witchfinder General
Death Penalty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxAjkKTge8

Cathedral
Ebony Tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlvSUrMGQRA

The Obsessed
Iron & Stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLPMF5XZOks

[maskedmelon]

Happy to see no metalcore. One of the few genres of music I generally despise ^^

[Ahldagor]

Hurr durr Nazis are bad guys.

List nordic pagan Nazi influenced bands.

Lulz, can not agree with the politics and enjoy the music. Marduk would be the only applicable one on the list, so you're point?

[Csihar]

Happy to see no metalcore. One of the few genres of music I generally despise ^^

Not a fan myself. Either way it's a fusion genre and doesn't fit.

The term is a quite broad though and it does include bands like Converge and The Dillinger Escape Plan. I do like them. But the bands that are generally called metalcore... yeah, not a fan.

[entruil]

is Castlevania Bloody Tears (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2msd-vhTBg) metal? what kind?

also how would u classify Corrosion of Conformity and Soulfly...


all these different genres really wrack my brain... good thing im at full mana loss already...

[Csihar]

Well the Castlevania theme isn't metal of course. It's a metal version I guess. I'd call it traditional heavy metal. I usually hate the "metal cover" Youtube videos that have soulless, modern metallish sounding riffs recreating songs. This is actually quite okay.

The genres become quite easy once you know something about the evolution.

Corrosion of Conformity had different phases.

Back when Mike Dean (and the other guy whose name I don't know by heart) were the vocalist they were Crossover thrash. To make it simple: Thrash metal (think Metallica) + hardcore punk.

Starting with "Blind" they changed music (and vocalist).
That album had elements of groove metal.
To make it simple: Groove was derived from thrash metal. Focuses on groove (obviously). Think Pantera.
It also had elements of sludge metal.
To make it simple: Just listen to the b-side of Black Flag's "My War". This was highly influential on future sludge metal bands:

Black Flag's "Nothing Left Inside" + "Three Nights"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a8eyCBQ1sI

Their next album "Deliverance" started their still current sound. With Peppar on vocals. Basically stoner metal with southern rock elements.
Stoner metal ... just think psychedelic rock + metal.

A good example of stoner metal:

Sleep
Dragonaut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-FjO3E8K-E

Does this remind you of Peppar era Corrosion of Conformity in any way?

Blue Cheer
Doctor Please (1968)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbDzwjoQwA

Otherwise just call them heavy metal.

[Spyder73]

One of my friends keeps saying I need to listen to "Djent" - It's supposed to be some form of distorted math-metal i think

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Here's a you tube link of every ones favorite^

[Jarnauga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBW5iDvkMHU find something that's not perfect in this video

pro tip: you can't

[Angushjalmur]

For death metal I'd add:
Cannibal corpse- Gallery of Suicide (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKOZewwNKc).

Nile- Ithyphallic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKA-ArPZuAU)

Dying Fetus- One shot, One kill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JFosCClvNQ)

Lamb of God- For your Malice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42V5nwPERGQ)

Necrophagist- Only ashes remain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIyvB2nxaD0)

Decapitated- Spheres of madness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1S-YBtbx4)

Death- Spiritual healing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAJQOeCSs_o)


Black metal

Malcuidant- Vestigen de Tradition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic2cC6WP6Cs&list=PLUmA8rCY7UZR1DbfSS8l2FhjHme1hfh_G&index=4)

Gorgoroth- Sorg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS6pepVhMuI)

Burzum- Erblicket die tochters des firmament (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPp2mIv4CyA)

Dissection- The Somberlain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDbyhDLLY2I)

Mayhem- Freezong moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8VIhIIq-kk)

Immortal- Call of the winter moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYOzCvreA8&list=PL-LVW7TSnbTj89HGj-BwuB1Ss2rVjC6rM&index=2)

Abyssic Hate- Bloodletting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQxD5hYsRNc)


And then there's

GWAR- Battle Lust (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBViSLkIgzE)

Who is a strong independent woman who dont need no genre


Idk what you'd call this, but I think it's good enough to make the list

Ufomammut- Idolum (full album) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQA_vF94qWw)

Electric Wizard-Dopethrone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaMbKZPBruU)

^theyre trying really hard to be sabbath, but at least they do it well

[Angushjalmur]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBW5iDvkMHU find something that's not perfect in this video



It's gojira


NEXT

[Angushjalmur]

One of my friends keeps saying I need to listen to "Djent" - It's supposed to be some form of distorted math-metal i think

Djent is like meshuggah. Just 2 or 3 notes played in a weird timing

[Ahldagor]

GWAR falls into its own category. We all agreed on that?

[entruil]

GWAR falls into its own category. We all agreed on that?

depends on the sql column...

http://i.imgur.com/gw2mPoe.jpg

[Angushjalmur]

depends on the sql column...

http://i.imgur.com/gw2mPoe.jpg

Ugh lol

[Angushjalmur]

GWAR falls into its own category. We all agreed on that?

Unanimously.

In the words of the late Oderus Urungus:

" DOODOOLOOWOP JOOP JIBBOOBOP
BILLY BILLY BAP BIBIDIP BIP BIBBIDIP"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvmCUqNxOQc

[Ahldagor]

depends on the sql column...

http://i.imgur.com/gw2mPoe.jpg

So worth beating that game with the backstage pass.

[Angushjalmur]

No Cradle of Filth eh?

This thread is for metal thank you very much

[Angushjalmur]

Damnation and a day is pretty fuckin metal bro, fuck


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wZXhNfoapI

Cradle of filth is like if christina agulera had hung out at hot topic as a teen ager

[Daywolf]

You're very wrong here. I agree that their formation was different but there has been influence on both sides.
No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.

When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.

Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.

When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.

Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.

And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.

Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.

[Ahldagor]

No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.

When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.

Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.

When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.

Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.

And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.

Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.

Autism.

[entruil]

Rock and metal can be traced back to the blues. The blues has such a large formation of scales and time it's ridiculous. Playing guitar in the beginning I played metal , now that I am older blues owns.

++;

[Daywolf]

Rock and metal can be traced back to the blues. The blues has such a large formation of scales and time it's ridiculous. Playing guitar in the beginning I played metal , now that I am older blues owns.Yep, just like I mentioned in my first post. Blues to rock then to other forms including branching to metal or punk. They share roots, some similarities, but they are different. Just like I can't set my multi-pedal to a metal/hard-rock beat and play slow blues over it, it just doesn't match. In fact I need to change the whole sound of the pedals to get something that really resembles blues sound and able to accent the blues technique while playing (my pref being acoustic simulator there, maybe with a touch of analog chorus). And all much easier to play on a slow blues drum arrangement.

[Daywolf]

Autism.
More like you're tone deaf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jN3q8GdAWs
https://youtu.be/Up3tS5WmTOA

[Csihar]

No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.

When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.

Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.

When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.

Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.

And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.

Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.

If you're talking about traditional heavy metal vs punk (as in Ramones, The Damned first albums etc.) then sure.
That's where it stops. Street and crust punk bands use metal riffs. Punk drumming is everywhere in metal. Your description only fits "pure" punk and metal.

Respond to the examples I gave. Tell me that Amebix doesn't utilize both metal and punk.
Tell me Crossover thrash, metalcore, grindcore etc. don't use both styles of music.

If the categories include all metal and punk bands you can quite easily create a punk song from the metal section and vice versa.

Is this punk or metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he1tq6hn5oA

Does this remind you of D-beat drumming? It should
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGTW6eX8ug

Example of sludge metal (starts at 2:00. Listen for about a minute)
https://youtu.be/WLiWgvMEPZ8?t=113

Due to laziness I went to wikipedia. You mentioned drumming:

"A blast beat is a drum beat that originated in hardcore punk and grindcore, and is often associated with extreme metal and more recently black metal and thrash. It is utilised by many different styles of metal."

There you go.

[Csihar]

Ufomammut- Idolum (full album) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQA_vF94qWw)

Electric Wizard-Dopethrone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaMbKZPBruU)

^theyre trying really hard to be sabbath, but at least they do it well

Getting it's own post.

Electric Wizard is a combination of doom, stoner and sludge metal. Ufomammut (the album that I heard anyway) is pretty much the same.

Doom metal is sometimes used as an umbrella term and then it will include stoner and sludge as well as traditional doom metal. A shitload of Sabbath worship but Blue Cheer shouldn't be understated.

I'll make a post about a certain subgenre of doom somewhere today. Might be some stuff there that you like.

[Daywolf]

There's a reason most new music sux.

http://i.imgur.com/R3TMjeX.jpg

Of course modern pop sux by far, all written by about the same seven or so writers, and dumbed down more every year. But most everything in the modern rock scene? meh.. there must be some way outta here said the joker to the thief.

[Borak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBW5iDvkMHU find something that's not perfect in this video

pro tip: you can't

This one's easy - that shitty strobing light around the 0:40 mark that rapidly pulses with every drumbeat or rhythm guitar note. If you think your music is heavy, you don't need to visibly pulse that shit into my brain. Let the music speak for itself.

I've seen something similar in other Youtube metal videos, where the video itself shakes with every rhythm guitar note, as if you're in an earthquake. I guess it's supposed to make the song seem 'heavier' but it has the opposite effect because of how artificial it is. Just let the damn music play.

[aMindAmok]

Im going to have to agree with Daywolf here.

Metal and Punk can be very similar and often are. But that is because they are both based off the same thing. However, at least in the beginning, Punk took a very different path away from Hard Rock than Metal did.

Punk was born out of rebellion. The whole idea of Punk was to put emphasis on the message. To do so, the music was stripped down to its simplest elements and played loud and poorly. In fact, it was not considered Punk to even know how to play the instrument (from a traditional learned experience). The idea was to be as raw as possible so that the real star of the show were the words and not the music.

Metal took a different path. Metal is extremely meticulous in its musical production. Favoring complexity in the composition over the lyrical portion of the song. Metal is a showcase of talent. The overwhelming theme is to showoff how well the instruments can be played.

This is what separates Metal and Punk. They are very similar in that they both are heavily influenced by the Hard Rock era. But, they were influenced in a very different way. Punk is not Metal. In fact, most Punk Rockers in the early days would probably kick your ass for even thinking they sound like metal. They were very against the style of Metal because it was too practiced thus losing the heart of what Rock and Roll was about. Metal was the opposite of that. They chose to be the best musically and technically as their homage to Rock and Roll.

[Borak]

Punk was born out of rebellion. The whole idea of Punk was to put emphasis on the message. To do so, the music was stripped down to its simplest elements and played loud and poorly. In fact, it was not considered Punk to even know how to play the instrument (from a traditional learned experience). The idea was to be as raw as possible so that the real star of the show were the words and not the music.

Metal took a different path. Metal is extremely meticulous in its musical production. Favoring complexity in the composition over the lyrical portion of the song. Metal is a showcase of talent. The overwhelming theme is to showoff how well the instruments can be played.

This is what separates Metal and Punk. They are very similar in that they both are heavily influenced by the Hard Rock era. But, they were influenced in a very different way. Punk is not Metal. In fact, most Punk Rockers in the early days would probably kick your ass for even thinking they sound like metal. They were very against the style of Metal because it was too practiced thus losing the heart of what Rock and Roll was about. Metal was the opposite of that. They chose to be the best musically and technically as their homage to Rock and Roll.

What you say here has its merits. Nonetheless, what separates metal from glam rock (i.e. Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison and other 80s wankery) is the lyrical content. If the song is about sex, drugs and the rock&roll lifestyle, it's not metal. I mean, other than the Immigrant Song, 95% of Led Zeppelin's lyrical content was sex & drugs. Black Sabbath had dark lyrics, and it made all the difference. Plus, nothing sounded raw like THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3b6SGoN6dA) back in 1970. It's hard to believe this is freaking 46 years old.

[Ahldagor]

More like you're tone deaf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jN3q8GdAWs
https://youtu.be/Up3tS5WmTOA

More in your personal response essay on how you experience the music was the origination my comment. It was like you auditioning for a music critic job for npr.

Both of you are correct.

[aMindAmok]

What you say here has its merits. Nonetheless, what separates metal from glam rock (i.e. Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison and other 80s wankery) is the lyrical content. If the song is about sex, drugs and the rock&roll lifestyle, it's not metal. I mean, other than the Immigrant Song, 95% of Led Zeppelin's lyrical content was sex & drugs. Black Sabbath had dark lyrics, and it made all the difference. Plus, nothing sounded raw like THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3b6SGoN6dA) back in 1970. It's hard to believe this is freaking 46 years old.

Don't get my wrong. By no means do I mean the lyrics of metal songs dont have merit. But, the lyrics and how they are presented are done so musically. In Punk, the lyrics are more akin to spoken word with very little thought to the overall musical composition.

War Pigs is a great example of Metal. The guitar is presented almost like a second voice in the band. This is especially true of the solo at the end of the piece. It's almost like another verse of the song with riffs and licks instead of words. This is a common occurrence in Metal of the time.

[Csihar]

Im going to have to agree with Daywolf here.

Metal and Punk can be very similar and often are. But that is because they are both based off the same thing. However, at least in the beginning, Punk took a very different path away from Hard Rock than Metal did.

Punk was born out of rebellion. The whole idea of Punk was to put emphasis on the message. To do so, the music was stripped down to its simplest elements and played loud and poorly. In fact, it was not considered Punk to even know how to play the instrument (from a traditional learned experience). The idea was to be as raw as possible so that the real star of the show were the words and not the music.

Metal took a different path. Metal is extremely meticulous in its musical production. Favoring complexity in the composition over the lyrical portion of the song. Metal is a showcase of talent. The overwhelming theme is to showoff how well the instruments can be played.

This is what separates Metal and Punk. They are very similar in that they both are heavily influenced by the Hard Rock era. But, they were influenced in a very different way. Punk is not Metal. In fact, most Punk Rockers in the early days would probably kick your ass for even thinking they sound like metal. They were very against the style of Metal because it was too practiced thus losing the heart of what Rock and Roll was about. Metal was the opposite of that. They chose to be the best musically and technically as their homage to Rock and Roll.

This is not where Daywolf and I disagree. I even said that they were different in their inception.

If you're talking about traditional heavy metal vs punk (as in Ramones, The Damned first albums etc.) then sure.

However, it's this I'm responding to:

And I wouldn't put any form of punk in resemblance of metal

Metal and punk have influenced each other musically (punk obviously had a huge non musical influence on inspiring people with their DIY attitude and lack of necessary playing skills) and there are punk bands who audibly have a metal influence and vice versa. There are fusion genres. That alone says it all.

[Daywolf]

More in your personal response essay on how you experience the music was the origination my comment. It was like you auditioning for a music critic job for npr.

Both of you are correct.
I just know music and can speak about it. From early keyboard and guitar lessons, music theory, being in a band, playing a lot of live solo, composing music, helping a band start up, friends that started bands and helping with their set-ups, running boards, been around it for decades. All this from the 70's to today.

I haven't done any performing for years, but I usually have my les paul guitar plugged in most every evening, or one of my midi keyboards plugged into my studio software and vst's. Just bought a new pedal (another multi) and a few sets of fresh pure nickle strings last month.

I even listened to punk in the 70's (and other stuff), wasn't a fan of metal when it came around. Liked some songs though. Cowpunk has prolly been my fav over the years of punk.

And I still listen to some punk, but not regular of any new bands. More classic stuff from my old cd's like social distortion, X or ramones sort of stuff. A little more style than stripped down, not as hard, but far from metal. I study that though too, can play some Metallica, some black sabbath etc. More into playing really odd stuff though now, making/programming new sounds, sort of ambient swells, other spacy stuff sort of chill like. Other stuff, drones, blues, smooth jazz, odd time signatures, cover a lot.

As far as punk style, fusion says "aint punk rock". It's just done for commercialism. Really, people into metal didn't hang with people into punk, fights broke out. A lot of new stuff today is about $$

[Jarnauga]

This one's easy - that shitty strobing light around the 0:40 mark that rapidly pulses with every drumbeat or rhythm guitar note. If you think your music is heavy, you don't need to visibly pulse that shit into my brain. Let the music speak for itself.

I've seen something similar in other Youtube metal videos, where the video itself shakes with every rhythm guitar note, as if you're in an earthquake. I guess it's supposed to make the song seem 'heavier' but it has the opposite effect because of how artificial it is. Just let the damn music play.

sorry i thought we were talking about music here

[Nihilist_santa]

I used to be really into metal but I just don't understand how people 30+ can get into cookie monster shit. When you are young the novelty of the "heaviness" of shit like Mortician is ok but I would imagine most people grow out of that right?

[Ahldagor]

I used to be really into metal but I just don't understand how people 30+ can get into cookie monster shit. When you are young the novelty of the "heaviness" of shit like Mortician is ok but I would imagine most people grow out of that right?

It does, but bands like Cattle Decapitation worked to refine their sound and got away from strictly grind. It's more the band maturing and realizing how to work within the medium, or do what Opeth did and go total prog rock, Emerson Lake and Palmer style, from Death Metal. Age does play into it no doubt.

[Csihar]

I used to be really into metal but I just don't understand how people 30+ can get into cookie monster shit. When you are young the novelty of the "heaviness" of shit like Mortician is ok but I would imagine most people grow out of that right?

You see this type of thinking often, especially with people who used to enjoy metal and hip-hop. It was a phase for you and you enjoyed the novelty of it. It's not a phase for others and they enjoy it for the artistic merit. That's why you no longer like it and others do. It's that simple.

I like a lot of different types of music. I branch out listen to other music but I don't stop enjoying what I like.

[Csihar]

DEATH/DOOM METAL

Lazy/silly name but accurate. It's a subgenre of doom metal. Although some people do, I don't consider bands like Asphyx or Autopsy to be part of this style. They have doomy passages but they're death metal bands.

The music creates the doom atmosphere but much darker. Death metal inspired vocals and drumming mostly and on more than occasion death metal riffing.

Celtic Frost is a very important influence.

disEMBOWLMENT
The Tree of Life and Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr4jNutSDUE

Katatonia
Brave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tW9fekzJo

My Dying Bride
Symphonaire Infernus et Spera Empyrium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKYmXeTTdWs

Paradise Lost
Frozen Illusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r66DoBepOr4

Evoken
In Solitary Ruin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfVwSUTQva8

Winter
Goden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yUjNEn4rLQ

Unholy
Dreamside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiVp0yps7RE

FUNERAL DOOM METAL

Grew out of death/doom metal. Puts more emphasis on the depressive aspect of doom and is typically very slow. Where death/doom ends and funeral begins is a vague line.

Ahab
Below the Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3vQ7q1mH3A

Skepticism
Organium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUYPh6V6Sc

Shape of Despair
...In the Mist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKvGr95WBRU

DOOM:VS
Dead Words Speak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXh7aL5Aw_Q

Thergothon
Who Rides the Astral Wings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu4ACsGoXmo

Worship
Whispering Gloom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4_j86KPOA

[Ahldagor]

I just know music and can speak about it. From early keyboard and guitar lessons, music theory, being in a band, playing a lot of live solo, composing music, helping a band start up, friends that started bands and helping with their set-ups, running boards, been around it for decades. All this from the 70's to today.

I haven't done any performing for years, but I usually have my les paul guitar plugged in most every evening, or one of my midi keyboards plugged into my studio software and vst's. Just bought a new pedal (another multi) and a few sets of fresh pure nickle strings last month.

I even listened to punk in the 70's (and other stuff), wasn't a fan of metal when it came around. Liked some songs though. Cowpunk has prolly been my fav over the years of punk.

And I still listen to some punk, but not regular of any new bands. More classic stuff from my old cd's like social distortion, X or ramones sort of stuff. A little more style than stripped down, not as hard, but far from metal. I study that though too, can play some Metallica, some black sabbath etc. More into playing really odd stuff though now, making/programming new sounds, sort of ambient swells, other spacy stuff sort of chill like. Other stuff, drones, blues, smooth jazz, odd time signatures, cover a lot.

As far as punk style, fusion says "aint punk rock". It's just done for commercialism. Really, people into metal didn't hang with people into punk, fights broke out. A lot of new stuff today is about $$

Why are you bragging? People like what they like. Another essay doesn't build credence or authority.

Both of you are correct. It's okay.

[Daywolf]

Why are you bragging?Bragging? You have definition problems, probably a result of your left leanings and constant fail trollings. If I were bragging, I'd be talking how wonderful of an artist I am, rather than just my involvement for my POV which is just stating a fact. Maybe you're the one that should be putting in your audition for NPR.

[Ahldagor]

Bragging? You have definition problems, probably a result of your left leanings and constant fail trollings. If I were bragging, I'd be talking how wonderful of an artist I am, rather than just my involvement for my POV which is just stating a fact. Maybe you're the one that should be putting in your audition for NPR.

Lol, you are.

People like what they like. You're both right, it's okay.

[Daywolf]

Lol, you are.

People like what they like. You're both right, it's okay.
Hmm trolly polly? I'm not saying anything is bad. People can like what they want.

[Csihar]

Less anus licking, more song picking!

[Borak]

You know you're arguing over metal. This place is truly nerdy.

Of course. Metal fans are passionate about their music. How passionate can you be for today's sanitized electronic crap?

Here are people excited being at a metal concert: Sargent D and the S.O.D. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9aEZfVOvw0)

[FoxxHound]

I'm just going to put some of my shit stuff here, and leave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFY_RuQQgYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBLsUJNRyLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZn3vvyIj2g

[Jarnauga]

i'm just gonna put some Neurosis and Cult of Luna here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdmnnv2NkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgK9NYxItJ4

[Nihilist_santa]

i'm just gonna put some Neurosis and Cult of Luna here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdmnnv2NkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgK9NYxItJ4

I knew it!

http://i.imgur.com/VGbQXRv.jpg

We're on to you.

[Jarnauga]

I knew it!

http://i.imgur.com/VGbQXRv.jpg

We're on to you.

most of these don't have a moon :confused:

[Nihilist_santa]

FTFY

http://i.imgur.com/J7TZqgF.gif

[Jarnauga]

FTFY

http://i.imgur.com/J7TZqgF.gif

nice photoshop skills

this one doest exist though ;) :

http://i.imgur.com/n5ctiQm.gif

[Csihar]

Neurosis is a must.

[Nihilist_santa]

nice photoshop skills

this one doest exist though ;) :

http://i.imgur.com/n5ctiQm.gif

This flag existed. If I squint real hard I can see your grandpa wringing his hands with worry.

http://i.imgur.com/hy4zVMM.jpg

[Csihar]

Please buds, don't fight in this thread :(
There is no such thing as 'fight metal' :) :) :) :)

[Nihilist_santa]

You are right my friend. Carry on my wayward son.

http://i.imgur.com/d1KXdpf.jpg

[Jarnauga]

This flag existed. If I squint real hard I can see your grandpa wringing his hands with worry.

http://i.imgur.com/hy4zVMM.jpg

..while on the other side of the atlantic:

http://i.imgur.com/L7s0aE2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cw1ZrD3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JmoBksQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L96sNOH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MYCaoyy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PR7P32V.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dQL54uI.jpg?1

Guess what ? all these people remained free while you were putting american citizens that happened to have japanese ancestry in camps

now stop trying to distort history and this thread

[Nihilist_santa]

Come again?

http://i.imgur.com/nToK9lv.jpg

Now quit ruining this dudes celebration of white degeneracy thread.

[entruil]

american citizens that happened to have japanese ancestry in camps

Metallica - Sad But True [Official Music Video] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8MO7fkZc5o)

Metallica - The Memory Remains [Official Music Video] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDN4awrpPQQ)

[Tasslehofp99]

Iced Earth
Angel Holocaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJBjRFoFeSU


Fuck yes!

Although I prefer the matt barlow version of this song.

[Daywolf]

Guess what ?Chicken Butt! (https://youtu.be/eHvMafYG7rs)


Maybe (((Jarnauga))) is just asking why we didn't start chopping off heads like france did.

[AzzarTheGod]

nega thread. tagged for later comment

[Izmael]

Good post, but lacks some very obvious material - Pantera, Megadeth, Metallica, Anthrax, Sepultura. At least you didn't miss Slayer. :)

Generally speaking, I call "Heavy Metal" stuff that sounds a bit like Metallica's music on Justice for All and later albums.

Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath etc.. I just usually wanna call it Hard Rock.

\,,/ (>.<) \,,/

[Ahldagor]

Hmm trolly polly? I'm not saying anything is bad. People can like what they want.

That's what I've been saying, people like what they like. Both of you are correct. Glad you calmed down.

[Daywolf]

That's what I've been saying, people like what they like. Both of you are correct. Glad you calmed down.
So you are into the "relative truth" thing, eh? No wonder your posts are so upset all the time and filled with psychological projection. Poor fellow :(

We're already in agreement for the most part, apart from modern hybrid punk, which imo is not really punk rock. Punk mostly died in the 80's, it was an underground movement for the time, not so much a commercial thing.

There are a few bands remaining, but not really with the original message, they are more focused on just life transitions with F* govts not so much there any longer. Some say sell outs, eh.. Most of the bands were baby boomers, anyway.
Metal was always 100% commercialism, gluttons of the system for the most part.

[barrettdc1]

I used to listen to a lot of Scandinavian metal like In Flames, Soilwork, At the Gates, Children of Bodom, The Haunted, Opeth, etc. In Flames is radio rock now, Soilwork is still putting out good music, Opeth is prog rock now but still good. Most of the bands listed have been around since the late 80's so it's hard to not evolve your sound when you've been around that long. Most metal I listen to these days is progressive/jazz influenced stuff thats instrumental. Can't really get into the metal screaming anymore.

Plini, Sithu Aye, Chon, Widek, Jakub Zytecki, and Polyphia make some pretty good music. Oh yea and Intervals, Animals as Leaders are also sweet. Periphery is good, except their singer is terrible. If you can find the instrumental versions of their songs on youtube I'd recommend that.

[Csihar]

Most of the bands listed have been around since the late 80's so it's hard to not evolve your sound when you've been around that long.

Literally only 1 of those bands was around in the late 80s :D And that was Opeth before they were Opeth.

A lot of bands don't evolve at all and in a lot of cases that's a bad thing. I don't like Opeth's new output. I find it boring and lifeless. They had an earlier stab at prog rock with Damnation and that was one of their best. I don't know why I don't like their new stuff but still good that they changed because it was quite clear they were stagnating.

But anyway.... change is good regardless.

I'll check out some of the names you mentioned sometimes. Prog metal is a subgenre I sleep on.

[Ahldagor]

So you are into the "relative truth" thing, eh? No wonder your posts are so upset all the time and filled with psychological projection. Poor fellow :(

We're already in agreement for the most part, apart from modern hybrid punk, which imo is not really punk rock. Punk mostly died in the 80's, it was an underground movement for the time, not so much a commercial thing.

There are a few bands remaining, but not really with the original message, they are more focused on just life transitions with F* govts not so much there any longer. Some say sell outs, eh.. Most of the bands were baby boomers, anyway.
Metal was always 100% commercialism, gluttons of the system for the most part.

Fluidity of genres man. Both premises, yours and I forget who had the other, are correct due to the argument for them. I got a kick out your essays because there's not really a claim of authority available in this thread.

[radda]

punk is deff alive ffs
metal today is fucking awesome and thriving
GO TO A FUCKING SHOW YOU PUSSYS

[radda]

The Chariot
TonyDanzaTapdanceExtravaganza
SuicideSilence(before Mitch RIP)
ThroughTheEyesOfTheDead
GlassCloud
FromaSecondStoryWindow
FearBeforetheMarchofFlames
AdmiralAngry
BlacksheepWall
HAVEHEART

dont care what you put them in but these bands are Grade A

[Spyder73]

I am going to a show this Friday for a band called "Fit For An Autopsy" in Dallas, TX. My roommate seems to have a man crush on one of them and has been pushing for me to go with him for awhile now. Never listened to the before but will give show update next Monday.

[barrettdc1]

Literally only 1 of those bands was around in the late 80s :D And that was Opeth before they were Opeth.

A lot of bands don't evolve at all and in a lot of cases that's a bad thing. I don't like Opeth's new output. I find it boring and lifeless. They had an earlier stab at prog rock with Damnation and that was one of their best. I don't know why I don't like their new stuff but still good that they changed because it was quite clear they were stagnating.

But anyway.... change is good regardless.

I'll check out some of the names you mentioned sometimes. Prog metal is a subgenre I sleep on.


Bah whatever, needless to say they've all been around for 20+ years, Lol.

I like the new Opeth because I like true prog rock bands like Yes, ELP, King Crimson, The Flower Kings, etc. There are a couple songs on the past few albums I didn't care for though. That hadn't been the case with their metal albums, which I loved every song. I absolutely loved Opeth from My Arms, Your Hearse to Watershed.

[barrettdc1]

http://i.imgur.com/nvZcNFs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/99lH2Li.gif

Definitely saving that picture lmao

[Borak]

http://i.imgur.com/nvZcNFs.jpg

Ok I got a good laugh out of that one. I'll just listen to some Bloodbath albums and pretend it's new Opeth going for a simple sound.

[Ahldagor]

http://i.imgur.com/nvZcNFs.jpg

Flawless victory.

[Jarnauga]

i'm just gonna put some Deafheaven in here, because black metal with dem feels is best black metal

https://youtu.be/uC4374TkNYo?t=2m53s

also pretty good idea to keep what's good about black metal (the deeply depressive yet brutal wall of blast beat/guitars) and drop the dumb stuff, like making a cover with a black and white photo of a dead tree with the name of the band with an undecipherable font. or the ridiculous amount of make up used in black metal. seriously, some of these guys put more make up than fucking lady gaga.

i mean look at the cover of their best album:

http://i.imgur.com/Fhn0ktZ.jpg

it's a great troll toward the folklore of black metal if you think about it.. i love it :p

[Ahldagor]

Finntroll is the best troll metal.

[entruil]

Disturbed - Intoxication (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwuOPXIbDC4)

please di-sect...

[entruil]

hmm... Interesting... Realize no time... still....


Disturbed - The Game! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsIXGVOvah8)

[entruil]

Finntroll is the best troll metal.

please don't make me read, I read it...


what is finntroll if I cant attribute it to willow? not reading them unless I knew who they were, didn't read them cuz don't know, don't think i care,



..

yet i posted... help me out here ahld... >.>.>.>.>.> dot

[Ahldagor]

please don't make me read, I read it...


what is finntroll if I cant attribute it to willow? not reading them unless I knew who they were, didn't read them cuz don't know, don't think i care,



..

yet i posted... help me out here ahld... >.>.>.>.>.> dot

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fNt33HkDgz4

[Ahldagor]

Some swing from Diablo Swing Orchestra

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ds5yzEOF3nQ

[entruil]

Disturbed - Save Our Last Goodbye (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcS6Dm8zXNw)


Disturbed - Never Wrong [Official HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWTnmYUPpU)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj75Arhq5ho

[entruil]

Lol watch Deathgasm on Netflix. Very metal movie

don't know wtf u ever cept tai chi cept push yuan's...


wtf is deathgasm's and why are you california not Wizard.?.

[entruil]

Enjoying and walk forward future razor strike... Chill out crazy Hr's.



Please, tell me, In 2016?! forward without past ~!@?~!?@?~...


How is this not Heavy Metal(Capital... Stress,,, Chillin'.... probably not place for those without... ->Words<-

Snakes By Papa Roach (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1qb8F1VHHg)

pre- can be ascribed as "Work" (leave out "Last Resort" cuz just wtf)



>Don't post anything newer from this... <

Day and Ahld... resonation is real... Tesla that 'Dawg.'

[Angushjalmur]

Ent you need to stop drinking bro

[Csihar]

SLUDGE METAL

Combines elements of doom metal and hardcore punk. In some cases there's a southern rock influence. A huge influence was the b-side of Black Flag's album My War.

Melvins
Hooch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z33ml_q9nvc

Eyehategod
My Name is God (And I Hate You)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtngcjMHg3U

Kylesa
In Memory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r6C2RI4lN4

Mastodon
March of the Fire Ants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eczGaF6ELdA

Ufomammut
Stardog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q956Agjlh4c

Baroness
Tower Falls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xFxEwcZ2Q

Iron Monkey
Bad Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQmrChMHfr0

Crowbar
All I Had (I Gave)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi9hAJJFCOA

ATMOSPHERIC SLUDGE METAL

Neurosis
Through Silver in Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp7Dz4bh5UE

Neurosis
The Tide (They deserve 2. This also demonstrates the influence of post-rock a lot of these bands have)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7bAi4drntY

ISIS
Backlit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDi5L56cx9Y

Cult of Luna
Vague Illusions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXglAQINJ4

Rosetta
Départe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2LGa204uE

Minsk
Embers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLsiO2JOV0

Callisto
Wormwood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbpZtE-Zm8

Pelican
Last Day of Winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yorP__90ogs

[Csihar]

STONER METAL

For some bands it's doom metal + psychedelic elements.
For others they're continuing what bands like Blue Cheer and Flower Travelin' Band started ("heavy psychedelic"). Sabbath worship is prevelant.

Sleep
Dragonaut (perfect example imo of stoner metal)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMIS2BaDilY

Kyuss (They didn't consider themselves to be metal and I guess they're right but they're influenced other bands that were)
Thumb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5uaBq0UuA

Electric Wizard
Wizard in Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJpM1LXMH8

DOWN (I don't like them but hey..)
Lifer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb0Q7GjJsBI

Cathedral
Ride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ju5k57YuEc

Spirit Caravan
Courage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqsuG9PNegc

Boris
Free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t_5MEME6UU&feature=youtu.be&t=783

Corrosion of Conformity
Heaven's Not Overflowing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp_ZRkvb0I

Eternal Elysium
Splendid, Selfish Woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrqmUUB60U

High on Fire
10,000 Years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUXDktBIhwc

[Jarnauga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTEYUFgLveY

you guys can't handle that

[big_ole_jpn]

worse than the game of thrones thread

[Daywolf]

worse than the game of thrones thread
This thread +

http://i.imgur.com/dZYbjsS.jpg

=

http://i.imgur.com/pej5rRk.jpg

[big_ole_jpn]

This thread +

http://i.imgur.com/dZYbjsS.jpg

=

http://i.imgur.com/pej5rRk.jpg

i can't tell if that's some kind of small animal/insect gore or a pastry

[Daywolf]

i can't tell if that's some kind of small animal/insect gore or a pastry
Exactly! :D
It's a tasty mushroom. Called something like Satan's Mushroom. Mmmmm looks so tasty.
Would you eat one if you saw it while lost in the woods? I sure would!

[barrettdc1]

Not Whitechapel's greatest shit, but it brings it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbANenk8o1o

[barrettdc1]

Exactly! :D
It's a tasty mushroom. Called something like Satan's Mushroom. Mmmmm looks so tasty.
Would you eat one if you saw it while lost in the woods? I sure would!

That's a definite fuck no.

[Ahldagor]

This thread +

http://i.imgur.com/dZYbjsS.jpg

=

http://i.imgur.com/pej5rRk.jpg

4grams and
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kqa3BnSgmE8

[AzzarTheGod]

That's a definite fuck no.

Nice opinion. Now ur on ice.