****OFFICAL**** Trump Hillary Debate 2016.09.26 Thread****

[maskedmelon]

So talk about it ^^

[maskedmelon]

I will begin by saying. I have been waiting for this for MONTHS. And now... I am commuting :c and cannot watch it ;n;

[Pokesan]

i predict trump will win all the post-debate internet polls, proving how biased and unfair the MSM are when they say he was rambling incoherently in 90% of his answers

Trump 2016

[entruil]

it was over soon as he mentioned chicago stop and frisk,take their guns away....


think nc was wrong/bad (it was)... don't influence a defacto crackdown on people who don't understand what a "Petition for Redress of Grievances" is, let alone the convoluted BS surrounding it.

[Daywolf]

Trump 2016

[barrettdc1]

we just need to put all the blacks back in chains, that'll teach em.

[Pokesan]

Trump wins the DNC hack/Russia conversation, I don't think this can be disagreed with

[maskedmelon]

I wanna see ;n;

Has Hillary stumbled or eaten an infant yet?

How many times has Trump said the words "great" "love" "look" or "really"?

[Daywolf]

clearly .. not by much..
Wait, which is it? ;)


She's getting slammed, but maybe it's the Russians™ fault hehe
He even won the debate against the moderator :D

[Pokesan]

agreed. lester holt has been definitively exposed as bitchmade.

[Baler]

Hill dog has done a complete 180 on her position on the war on terrorism,.

How can we trust a liar?

[Daywolf]

Who needs HRC? The Trump vs. Moderator debate is much more entertaining :D

[Daywolf]

The Presidential Look!
https://i.imgur.com/7dLOVIB.gif

[Pokesan]

i don't know who won but lester holt definitely lost

[entruil]

I wanna see ;n;

Has Hillary stumbled or eaten an infant yet?



she gave the alien ultimatum at the last question... she might of had a kind of authenticity in that moment as well though... /shrug ...

time to go remember the original day the earth stood still robot commands...

[Trungep99]

Hillary is the clear winner. Especially in the first half.

[Trungep99]

Hill dog has done a complete 180 on her position on the war on terrorism,.

How can we trust a liar?


Trump has done a complete 180 on Obamas birth.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I'm a trump supporter ,but Hillary won that debate...


Lol my favorite part was the "presidential look" well "stamina".

Lol I wish trump could just say it. Trump is so fun to watch on any level.

[Baler]

YOU PEOPLE SAY HILLARY WON THAT DEBATE

HER PEOPLE RIGGED THE QUESTIONS FOR HER.

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL PEOPLE

ARE YOU IDIOTS?

YOU EVEN KNOW THE QUESTIONS WERE RIGGED IN HER FAVOR.

FOR FUCK SAKES.

Go back a page or two in the Off Topic section there is atleast 1 thread with proof that questions were rigged for that cunt. What do you have amnesia?

The news it totally bat shit crazy at this point. don't listen to it. they just want your +1 views, they don't give a fuck about moral or just.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

YOU PEOPLE SAY HILLARY WON THAT DEBATE

HER PEOPLE RIGGED THE QUESTIONS FOR HER.

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL PEOPLE

ARE YOU IDIOTS?

YOU EVEN KNOW THE QUESTIONS WERE RIGGED IN HER FAVOR.

FOR FUCK SAKES.

Okay , but she still won.

[Baler]

If you have someone giving you the 'majority' answers how does that qualify you as intelligent and understanding? It doesn't you're just a fucking parrot.

Trump Won because he wasn't being spoon fed questions.

HELLO PICKLE JAR ANYONE? hillary is a fraud, criminal, bitch.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

YOU PEOPLE SAY HILLARY WON THAT DEBATE

HER PEOPLE RIGGED THE QUESTIONS FOR HER.

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL PEOPLE

ARE YOU IDIOTS?

YOU EVEN KNOW THE QUESTIONS WERE RIGGED IN HER FAVOR.

FOR FUCK SAKES.

Go back a page or two in the Off Topic section there is atleast 1 thread with proof that questions were rigged for that cunt. What do you have amnesia?

The news it totally bat shit crazy at this point. don't listen to it. they just want your +1 views, they don't give a fuck about moral or just.

Rigged ,and she won :)

You're so angry... Are you the 400 pounder on his bed???

[Baler]

You're so angry...


Yeah i'm mad because people say she 'won the debate'. You'd win too if you were lobbed you soft balls.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Yeah i'm mad because people say she won. You'd win too if I lobbed you soft balls.

Confirmed mad.

[Pokesan]

who's gonna win the online polls its very important for the narrative

it's a royal rumble with /pol/ vs CTR both scripting votes. which side has the bigger bergs?

go meteor

[entruil]

hillary is a fraud, criminal, bitch.

and alien. Proof Conceptualized.


*I'm mad as fuck too.

[Daywolf]

Trump has done a complete 180 on Obamas birth.
That's all you got out of that segment? It's no issue that HRC was the original birther?? Used it to try to disqualify 0bama but failed? But Trump, oh no he can't make a final judgement after realizing we never got undeniable proof. But Hillary gets a pass on inventing the rumor, yeah that's perfectly okay, m'kay...

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Hillary was so good at that debate. You can tell she is a very intelligent woman.

[Baler]

Confirmed mad.

confirmed person who doesn't give a fuck about america.
Why are you even commenting on this thread if you have no real say stfu.


MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

[Chaboo_Cleric]

That's all you got out of that segment? It's no issue that HRC was the original birther?? Used it to try to disqualify 0bama but failed? But Trump, oh no he can't make a final judgement after realizing we never got undeniable proof. But Hillary gets a pass on inventing the rumor, yeah that's perfectly okay, m'kay...

I'm a Trump supporter ,but man he choked on his 180 on the supporting the Iraqi war. Course, I remember when he changed his mind. Lol ,but he never owned hanging his mind. Sorry dude Hillary raped him on that debate. However, watching him interrupt everyone was very prestigious. I like Trump, even if he can't win a debate against Satan

[barrettdc1]

Hillary was so good at that debate. You can tell she is a very intelligent woman.

Lol dis guy

[Chaboo_Cleric]

confirmed person who doesn't give a fuck about america.
Why are you even commenting on this thread if you have no real say stfu.


MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Learn to read. I'll second with Jeremy's observation. You need to switch sides, your hurting the Trump campaign with every breath you take. Course , I hope he wins ... So he can put lower class people like yourself back to work.

[Baler]

Trump, I hope he wins

[entruil]

even if he can't win a debate against Satan

dun,dun,duuunnnn... well done.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Baler is to stupid as Hillary is to Trump.

There I said it.

[Baler]

Trump

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I never thought I could be shut out of a thread by stupid. I consent, you won -stupid

[Pokesan]

I never thought I could be shut out of a thread by stupid. I consent, you won -stupid

you should suck his dick

[Baler]

I TRUMPed you. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254002) :)

[Baler]

Was the debate to see who could LIE the most? If so hillary lied the most.

[entruil]

"usin' pit bulls to implement interrogations" - Bootleg

[Chaboo_Cleric]

you should suck his dick

I'd make you suck my dick

[Pokesan]

your dick is way too small to satisfy my insatiable cocklust

go back to synagogue you bitch

[entruil]

lmao wtf...


i imagine following link was pre-configured...

[Jarnauga]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/26/trump-clinton-first-debate-fact-checks/

[Pokesan]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/26/trump-clinton-first-debate-fact-checks/

holy clickbait

[Daywolf]

I'm a Trump supporter ,but man he choked on his 180 on the supporting the Iraqi war. Course, I remember when he changed his mind. Lol ,but he never owned hanging his mind. Sorry dude Hillary raped him on that debate. However, watching him interrupt everyone was very prestigious. I like Trump, even if he can't win a debate against Satan
You having difficulty separating the two segments? One was the birther issue which I was replying about. The other is what you brought up. Completely separate issues. You do understand that, right?

I don't support Trump more than I support the Truth.

For your attempt to cancel out one fact with another argument, Hannity has come forward tonight and said what the Don said was 100% true. The Don did oppose the war. They did have heated debates before the war. Weather or not you agree with Hannity's views, the guy is flat out an honest guy that cares about his character and his country. I very much respect the guy, even when I disagree with his opinions.

Now this isn't a huge discussion point, not then. We don't have extensive interviews on everything since he's not a politician, not then. This is about as stupid a red herring as the Russians™ involved in EVERYTHING hehe.

Now, again lets review the record just as I presented my reply you were replying to. In this case the record is HRC voted for the war in 2002. VOTED for it. I don't give a crap about her later excuses, ain't no take backs. And it's a leading reason she lost the democrat nomination to 0bama, because she did vote for the war.

You support whoever you claim to support, wha evah. I'll just stick to the truth first and foremost, let my decision fall in whatever direction that is. But for HRC, that is about as likely as a snowflake in hell.

[Baler]

I don't support Trump more than I support the Truth.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I commented about the debates being who is the better liar.
I do support trump because he is the lesser of two evils.

holy clickbait

I never thought the day would come when I agree'd with pokesan so much about something. It basicly trash talks both sides inconsistently, not to mentions the ads.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

You having difficulty separating the two segments? One was the birther issue which I was replying about. The other is what you brought up. Completely separate issues. You do understand that, right?

I don't have any difficulty separating segments, I was stating the segment I was referring too.

[QUOTE=Daywolf;2368168]I don't support Trump more than I support the Truth.

For your attempt to cancel out one fact with another argument, Hannity has come forward tonight and said what the Don said was 100% true. The Don did oppose the war. They did have heated debates before the war. Weather or not you agree with Hannity's views, the guy is flat out an honest guy that cares about his character and his country. I very much respect the guy, even when I disagree with his opinions.[QUOTE]

Hannity is the biggest joke ever. Therefore, no validity will be given on the Hannity notion. I can't stand the "Wall Banger", aka Hannity. The fact he was mentioned was grotesque

[QUOTE=Daywolf;2368168]Now this isn't a huge discussion point, not then. We don't have extensive interviews on everything since he's not a politician, not then. This is about as stupid a red herring as the Russians™ involved in EVERYTHING hehe.[QUOTE]

I'd agree the Russian comment from Hillary was really stupid.


[QUOTE=Daywolf;2368168]Now, again lets review the record just as I presented my reply you were replying to. In this case the record is HRC voted for the war in 2002. VOTED for it. I don't give a crap about her later excuses, ain't no take backs. And it's a leading reason she lost the democrat nomination to 0bama, because she did vote for the war.[QUOTE]

It's definitely not the leading reason she lost lol. Either way, I personally despise Hillary for more reasons than this - anyway

[QUOTE=Daywolf;2368168]You support whoever you claim to support, wha evah. I'll just stick to the truth first and foremost, let my decision fall in whatever direction that is. But for HRC, that is about as likely as a snowflake in hell.[QUOTE]

There is no "truth" in politics , but either way ^^

[Pokesan]

that post is a mess! sad!

[Chaboo_Cleric]

yeah apparently you can't splice quotes and copy and paste it anymore.

Too lazy to fix. Cheers

[Daywolf]

[B]Hannity is the biggest joke ever.
Then I call BS on your claim to be supporting Trump, you're just likely using it to give your hollow arguments some weight. Hannity and Trump are in agreement on many of the issues. If Hannity is the biggest joke ever to you, you are likely not in any agreement with Trump, not even Sanders, but for HRC. It bleeds out of your posts.

[Baler]

What really bugs me is how hill dog attacks donald trump for being a business man in the past. But she ignores all the problems that have been going on while she was steadily involved in government and did nothing to fix those problems.
But now that she is running for president she claims she wants to fix these problems. Not to mention she plays the "My husband" card way too fucking much.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Then I call BS on your claim to be supporting Trump, you're just likely using it to give your hollow arguments some weight. Hannity and Trump are in agreement on many of the issues. If Hannity is the biggest joke ever to you, you are likely not in any agreement with Trump, not even Sanders, but for HRC. It bleeds out of your posts.

If you actually listen to Hannity or watch him... Dude... That says enough for me... PERIOD

[Baler]

If you actually listen to Hannity or watch him... Dude... That says enough for me... PERIOD

I had to google what 'Hannity" was. no I dont listen to that guy.

[R Flair]

The "proof" that Trump was for the war where he said ".... ya... I guess..." when asked about the war on Howard Stern.

That is technically an affirmation, but elsewhere he was against it.

I say what difference does it make what someone without the intel thought about the war. The people who had the real intel like Hillary were for the war. Those who actually believed there was credible intel were rightly for the war. That was most likely the only info the Don had, like the rest of us. Yet he was still dubious on Stern and outright against it according to Hannity and several interviews which took place after the war began.

We of course now know there was no credible intel.

Chaboo is drinking far too much MSM kool-aid.

Hillary looked robotic and scripted in the debate, obv knew the topics in advanced, and Trump still dominated and had more compelling arguments and solutions, even if he struggled to stay on topic. When they got down and dirty, she looked level headed but more wrong than right.

Also have to say Trump is dead wrong about using lists like "no-fly lists" or "terrorist watch lists" to remove 2nd amendment rights. These circumvent the constitution without do-process and only offer a foothold towards banning gun-ownership for everyone.

[Daywolf]

I never thought the day would come when I agree'd with pokesan so much about something. It basicly trash talks both sides inconsistently, not to mentions the ads.Ah well Pok3s supported Sanders, which isn't a terrible thing. He has some good views on some things, sees through HRC's charade well enough. After all, she and her buddies stole Demcon from Sanders, blatantly. Honestly, I'd be feeling much better if this was all Sanders vs. Trump rather than HRC.

Sorry I said something positive about you Pok3s, I hope I didn't damage your rep here :D

[Daywolf]

If you actually listen to Hannity or watch him... Dude... That says enough for me... PERIOD
I only question some of his opinions, but I recognize his character. I have no problems respecting someone I disagree with, as long as they are honest.

Oh and no I don't watch him, I really have nothing to do with Faux, even if he's on there. I just listen to his radio program sometimes. I use to watch him sometimes, but not for years. He delivers better on his radio program though, less tied maybe.

But yeah, point stands, they share commonality on many opinions. So you do have issues if Hannity is such a huge joke. That means with everything he has to say, which is also what the Don says. You likely just don't know Hannity's opinion, that's about all I'll give you on this point.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

The "proof" that Trump was for the war where he said ".... ya... I guess..." when asked about the war on Howard Stern.

That is technically an affirmation, but elsewhere he was against it.

I say what difference does it make what someone without the intel thought about the war. The people who had the real intel like Hillary were for the war. Those who actually believed there was credible intel were rightly for the war. That was most likely the only info the Don had, like the rest of us. Yet he was still dubious on Stern and outright against it according to Hannity and several interviews which took place after the war began.

We of course now know there was no credible intel.

Chaboo is drinking far too much MSM kool-aid.

Hillary looked robotic and scripted in the debate, obv knew the topics in advanced, and Trump still dominated and had more compelling arguments and solutions, even if he struggled to stay on topic. When they got down and dirty, she looked level headed but more wrong than right.

Also have to say Trump is dead wrong about banning 2nd amendment rights using arbitrary lists like "no-fly lists" or "terrorist watch lists". These circumvent the constitution without do-process and are nothing but a foothold to circumvent the 2nd amendment.

I'd say Howard Stern is more intelligent than Hannity. LOL , point being mentioning Hannity was hilarious. I get it caters to the average idiot person who watches fox , but the reality is Hannity is a joke when it comes to conservatism. Guy is a blade of grass who just blows wherever the wind blows. No talent, college drop out , who banged on walls.

LOL Hannity has Ted Cruz on his show. That's like the Michelle Bochman of the right LOL

Again, Trump choked hard on that topic. It was evident, and it was pretty funny.

Not as funny though as the " Doesn't have the look", oh! It's Stamina!! LOL

[Doors]

Feel like Trump lost but honestly tonight was a 2 on 1. Lester Holt may be a registered Republican but I'm calling bullshit on the host considering not one question was posed towards Clinton about her email server, Benghazi, pay to play, etc.

These debates won't be good for Trump. Clinton's an automaton robot of political jargon bullshit. She's been playing this game her entire life.

If Trump wants to win or gain ground in the debates he needs to focus on Clinton's corruption and the fact that she's been in politics for 30 years with little to show for it outside of her 125 mil estimated fortune.

[Doors]

And if Trump wants to do better in the next debate he needs to accept the fact that he didn't do as well as he should have. Checking his Twitter he seems to think he won tonight but I really don't think he did.

He can't go forward into the next debate with the mindset that he won round 1. He needs to improve and drop the birtherism and stop and frisk shit because he needs minority votes badly to win.

[R Flair]

Feel like Trump lost but honestly tonight was a 2 on 1. Lester Holt may be a registered Republican but I'm calling bullshit on the host considering not one question was posed towards Clinton about her email server, Benghazi, pay to play, etc.

These debates won't be good for Trump. Clinton's an automaton robot of political jargon bullshit. She's been playing this game her entire life.

If Trump wants to win or gain ground in the debates he needs to focus on Clinton's corruption and the fact that she's been in politics for 30 years with little to show for it outside of her 125 mil estimated fortune.

Ya, I think you're right about how he should play it. I think he really wanted to try the calm policy debate approach, but I expect from here on out the gloves will be off from the word go.

In the future, I expect he will bring up every law she has broken, and allegation of corruption that even remotely relates to any topic brought up.

The deck is really stacked against her. For all the faux-scandals they love to bring up on Trump, Congress doesn't feel like any of them are worthy of investigation like her emails and benghazi (and her foundation in the future).

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Feel like Trump lost but honestly tonight was a 2 on 1. Lester Holt may be a registered Republican but I'm calling bullshit on the host considering not one question was posed towards Clinton about her email server, Benghazi, pay to play, etc.

These debates won't be good for Trump. Clinton's an automaton robot of political jargon bullshit. She's been playing this game her entire life.

If Trump wants to win or gain ground in the debates he needs to focus on Clinton's corruption and the fact that she's been in politics for 30 years with little to show for it outside of her 125 mil estimated fortune.

Finally! Someone else agrees with my opinion!

haha

So in essence, Trump lost that debate. YES<

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Ya, I think you're right about how he should play it. I think he really wanted to try the calm policy debate approach, but I expect from here on out the gloves will be off from the word go.

In the future, I expect he will bring up every law she has broken, and allegation of corruption that even remotely relates to any topic brought up.

Sure hope so. The Clinton's are like mob bosses. Plus they both screw woman on the side... And still kiss each other at the end of the day... It's kinda creepy

[Daywolf]

LOL Hannity has Ted Cruz on his show.
I listened to that live. You obviously didn't even listen to that. You think that all was a good thing for Cruz? lol
Dude, really, you are coming off as so leftist atm. Why wouldn't Hannity have Cruz on? Sounds something like a very leftist comment. Though hilarious thing is it turned out terrible for Cruzer, he should have just stayed in bed that day lol

[Lune]

Really doesn't matter all that much which one of these stooges wins the presidency. As long as Congress remains the way it currently is, nothing is going to get done. I'd say the single most important outcome of this election going forward is going to be the appointment of supreme court justices. And I think Hillary's campaign is missing a big opportunity on that note.

Think of it this way: Donald Trump is a guy who, just tonight, unrepentant admitted he'll game the system and do unethical things if the law allows him to (In response to being accused of paying no taxes and exploiting bankruptcy, he proudly says doing so was 'smart'). It was very obvious tonight for anyone who was reading between the lines to perceive that Trump is someone with zero sense of morality or altruism, and he cognitively operates purely on self interest.

Now I'm not saying Clinton is really any different, but what's important is that she hides it, while Trump celebrates it. And the problem we're facing is that people like this, these hyper-individualistic fuck-you-I-got-mine assholes, who will step over each other to get a piece, are destroying the human race. They are destroying representative government in previously civilized countries that once had a more pronounced collectivist cultural component (absolutely required for a democracy to function). They lack the empathy and sense of duty to be proper stewards of the environment, and are trashing the planet for future generations. And they are bringing back the worst, most parasitic elements of Gilded Age capitalism that have been hiding under a thin veneer of pseudo-socialist civic trust.

It's important that even when we are malevolent hellspawn, we at least try to hide it. That way, when little 8 year old Johnny whose prefrontal cortex is being wired with a lifelong predisposition to certain cultural values and cognitions, watches all this happen, he doesn't get the impression that it's acceptable to act like Donald Trump. You know, making fun of disabled people, scamming suckers, suing everyone you can, and insulting the physical appearance of your peers.

[Baler]

It's a dog eat dog world Lune.

[Lune]

It's a dog eat dog world Lune.

^ An all too common schema of dysfunctional ethics where the belief that others doing wrong makes it okay for you to do wrong as well.

[Baler]

It's going to keep happening. We don't live in an utopia. You can lay down and get taken or stand up and take.
It's too late to fix.

Extreme example:Once you teach a monkey to beat another's head in to steal their banana. You can't unteach that monkey that.
Other monekys laying down see that and decide..

Do I think it sucks and it's unethical. Yeah but it's too far too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Really doesn't matter all that much which one of these stooges wins the presidency. As long as Congress remains the way it currently is, nothing is going to get done. I'd say the single most important outcome of this election going forward is going to be the appointment of supreme court justices. And I think Hillary's campaign is missing a big opportunity on that note.

Think of it this way: Donald Trump is a guy who, just tonight, unrepentant admitted he'll game the system and do unethical things if the law allows him to (In response to being accused of paying no taxes and exploiting bankruptcy, he proudly says doing so was 'smart'). It was very obvious tonight for anyone who was reading between the lines to perceive that Trump is someone with zero sense of morality or altruism, and he cognitively operates purely on self interest.

Now I'm not saying Clinton is really any different, but what's important is that she hides it, while Trump celebrates it. And the problem we're facing is that people like this, these hyper-individualistic fuck-you-I-got-mine assholes, who will step over each other to get a piece, are destroying the human race. They are destroying representative government in previously civilized countries that once had a more pronounced collectivist cultural component (absolutely required for a democracy to function). They lack the empathy and sense of duty to be proper stewards of the environment, and are trashing the planet for future generations. And they are bringing back the worst, most parasitic elements of Gilded Age capitalism that have been hiding under a thin veneer of pseudo-socialist civic trust.

It's important that even when we are malevolent hellspawn, we at least try to hide it. That way, when little 8 year old Johnny whose prefrontal cortex is being wired with a lifelong predisposition to certain cultural values and cognitions, watches all this happen, he doesn't get the impression that it's acceptable to act like Donald Trump. You know, making fun of disabled people, scamming suckers, suing everyone you can, and insulting the physical appearance of your peers.

I think Little Johnny should have better parents who teach about "Entertainment", and media. So you want Trump to lie about his use of the system like Hillary? LOL , Trump is running a campaign where he is TRUMP. The guy who has been in the media since forever. Capitalism may not be a perfect system , but for AMERICA it works. The problem is the government corruption behind it. I wasn't for TARP or any of the bail outs. I think it's disgusting.

However, America is a super power because of the systems in place. If you think any different , well I'll call you "Johnny". Anyone who took a econ class knows the monetary value system is a joke. This is America though , if we want to remain a super power- someone is going to get hurt.


Also, your commentary on it sounds very Utopian. It all sounds good and all , but it never works. WE are HUMAN

[Daywolf]

drop the birtherism
Did you watch the debate? wtf is this? How is he going to "drop the birtherism" when it was Holt that brought it up in his scripted question?? The Don didn't bring this up, this was the question given to and by Holt to ask. Did you see my thread here last week on the rigged debate? You should go read that, this was lead by a group that is all in for Hillary, funded her campaign, and funded nothing of the Trump campaign. This was likely all HRC approved questions. He didn't bring this up, HRC and her buddies wrote the script.

Holt threw this at Trump right after Hillary said Trump just criticized her of preparing for the debates.

imo she didn't "prepare for the debates" she prepared the debates.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Did you watch the debate? wtf is this? How is he going to "drop the birtherism" when it was Holt that brought it up in his scripted question?? The Don didn't bring this up, this was the question given to and by Holt to ask. Did you see my thread here last week on the rigged debate? You should go read that, this was lead by a group that is all in for Hillary, funded her campaign, and funded nothing of the Trump campaign. This was likely all HRC approved questions. He didn't bring this up, HRC and her buddies wrote the script.

Holt threw this at Trump right after Hillary said Trump just criticized her of preparing for the debates.

imo she didn't "prepare for the debates" she prepared the debates.

So basically, You are saying Trump LOST , because she prepared the debates.

Ok so let's sum it up.

Trump Lost the debate

[Lune]

I think Little Johnny should have better parents who teach about "Entertainment", and media. So you want Trump to lie about his use of the system like Hillary? LOL , Trump is running a campaign where he is TRUMP. The guy who has been in the media since forever. Capitalism may not be a perfect system , but for AMERICA it works. The problem is the government corruption behind it. I wasn't for TARP or any of the bail outs. I think it's disgusting.

However, America is a super power because of the systems in place. If you think any different , well I'll call you "Johnny". Anyone who took a econ class knows the monetary value system is a joke. This is America though , if we want to remain a super power- someone is going to get hurt.


Also, your commentary on it sounds very Utopian. It all sounds good and all , but it never works. WE are HUMAN

Whether capitalism and government works hinges entirely upon our culture, and Trump being TRUMP is a manifestation of the worst aspects of our culture. This election is partly a referendum on whether we find those aspects of our culture acceptable. The front is that it's about the absurdity of political correctness, but it's really about whether we have a civic duty to anyone but ourselves, and what kind of conduct is acceptable in national discourse.

[R Flair]

Taking advantage of crashes and playing the system within the rules established doesn't constitute an ethical failing. You don't make the rules. When stocks drop, you buy and sell high. When idiots crashed the housing market, you buy. He didn't make it happen.

Chaboo's post above is what it all comes down to me. To me its as simple as capitalism vs Hillary's outright socialist policies ("their fair share" - which is never fair).

Trump lies constantly, but he isn't covering up dead bodies, corruption and unjust enrichment or horrible decisions and policies while in power. Trump isn't the one perjuring himself before congress and doesn't have investigative committees and congressional hearing attempting to unravel his lies. Hillary does.

[Baler]

Whether capitalism and government works hinges entirely upon our culture, and Trump being TRUMP is a manifestation of the worst aspects of our culture.
Then how good of a manifestation is hillary? (don't get me wrong i'm not support her with this question)

Again it sucks things aren't totally 'ethical(in your words)' but you have two options.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Whether capitalism and government works hinges entirely upon our culture, and Trump being TRUMP is a manifestation of the worst aspects of our culture. This election is partly a referendum on whether we find those aspects of our culture acceptable. The front is that it's about the absurdity of political correctness, but it's really about whether we have a civic duty to anyone but ourselves, and what kind of conduct is acceptable in national discourse.

I think Trump is a great representation of a Cut throat business man. I'd rather have that kind of person right now in office with the way things are for this country.

So his representation fits the scheme for this time period in America. Who did you vote for last election is you don't mind me asking?

[Daywolf]

nothing is going to get done.
You don't realize how great that sounds to many of us. Absolutely, lets get nothing done. In fact, lets do a LOT less! I think we could really do a lot less and get nothing done at the same time! I llllllike it!

[Chaboo_Cleric]

If we can just cut government by like 25% , instead of growing it. I'll consider this the most "Done" , in a long time.

[Daywolf]

So basically, You are saying Trump LOST , because she prepared the debates.

Ok so let's sum it up.

Trump Lost the debate
Man, you almost make me wish pot was legal in my state too!

[Baler]

Man, you almost make me wish pot was legal in my state too!

LOL, lets all get high and drunk then debate! :rolleyes:

[Daywolf]

If we can just cut government by like 25% , instead of growing it. I'll consider this the most "Done" , in a long time.
Well good, we agree on that in general. I'd look for a greater figure (~50% or more), but I'm pretty minimalist when it comes to govt. But I recognize we would need to ease our way to such a point.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Sorry bros I quit all drugs , accept: Alcohol.

I need to live to 70 so my retirement investments pay off fully.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Well good, we agree on that in general. I'd look for a greater figure, but I'm pretty minimalist when it comes to govt. But I recognize we would need to easy our way out.

Exactly. Now if only we took that Oil , like Trump said... I think it could've been a start =p

[AzzarTheGod]

Had a bunch of ADHD cases around me barely caught anything.

Hillary looked really good, and so did Trump was the gist I got in the haze of interruptions. Impressed with both.

[AzzarTheGod]

One thing that caught me was the moderator was allowed to fact-check.

Trump held his composure pretty well, no "excuse me" snapping like in the GOP. And overall did what he needed to do.

I only saw Trump being fact-checked, which irked me. And the moderator was only pressing Trump during questions where Trump would dodge. Trump dodged a few times, and the moderator would attempt to cut him off, or zero in on it.

This really irked me as someone hoping for no interference or Candy Crowley help, but its all that stands out right now.

[Karkona]

I watched the whole thing. I thought Trump was going to destroy her but it didn't seem to go that way he had to play a lot of defense. Hillary had clearly put work into being prepared and had a long pre-determined grocery list answer for almost everything she knew that was going to come up like her "stamina" at the end.

The best part was when Lester Holt asked Trump when he would release his tax return and Trump said he would do it after Hillary released her 33,000 deleted emails and the crowd started clapping and cheering lol.

[Daywolf]

Exactly. Now if only we took that Oil , like Trump said... I think it could've been a start =p
Well take it or keep it. He said take, but his explanations were more along the lines of keep it rather than handing it over to these terrorist groups.

What is the solution after the fact? We can't go back and say never import mid-east oil disallowing them to grow the industry there, that's a done deal. Would be ideal, but it is what it is now. The only real solution w/o compromise ... well sort of ... is to wipe it all out. But then even that is no solution in all honesty, a moral compromise. But even if that was an acceptable solution, they are still wealthy, capable of rebuilding and/or retaliation as would be the obvious reprisal.

What do we do, enslave them like Bubba did with Iraq? Food for oil? (yes started by Bush, a globalist neocon) Then how Germany and france fought tooth and nail to keep those sanctions going for all that wonderful plunder?

It's really all a facepalm mess. So Trump want's to fight the terrorists, what other solution do we have? Apart from surrender anyway.... I'm no fan of Sharia law. And fighting them isn't even a take or keep it solution. And what he's saying about it is NATO needs to step up on it, as they haven't. I mean really, NATO has been too busy posturing against Russia if you have been following it, and it's deteriorating FAST.

No, there are a lot of things going on that is not on the lips of MSM, all just as much rigged as the Demcon and these debates (though Trump still did great and clobbered crooked Hillary). We really are in a very bad position on the board (be it chess or go). Our primary concern before anything else needs to be our national defense, with the borders and who is here that should not be here.

[AzzarTheGod]

I watched the whole thing. I thought Trump was going to destroy her but it didn't seem to go that way he had to play a lot of defense. Hillary had clearly put work into being prepared and had a long pre-determined grocery list answer for almost everything she knew that was going to come up like her "stamina" at the end.

The best part was when Lester Holt asked Trump when he would release his tax return and Trump said he would do it after Hillary released her 33,000 deleted emails and the crowd started clapping and cheering lol.

Hillary was absolutely well-prepared. That's what stood out to me and started to anger the ADHD cases around me I think. Her poise probably could not have been more perfect. She moved correctly on just about every issue. The Trump guys were going crazy, as you can probably imagine... (I'm pro-Trump but not a Trump goon, especially not during a debate where its expected both sides are going to bring their A game).

Trump did not destroy her, and when he did attack, it was treading on the weak side of things. It was firm, but it wasn't the destruction that the Trumpettes anticipated.

We really need a highlight reel or some highlights to discuss this in more detail so we have some illustrations, give it a few days.

[R Flair]

Oh Trump snapped at the moderator with excuse me and various other remarks several times - and rightfully so. Trump corrected him with actual facts and clarifications on several occasions.

Debate was meant to be a ringer for Hillary, but Trump still dominated it. Simply parroting memorized lines like a robot and attempting to be cool and collective doesn't win you the debate this year. Hillarys policies are horrible and she is a proven failure in politics so its just not possible for her to be perceived as the winner. In almost every debate poll, Trump is ahead by a landslide.

CNBC: Trump 61%, Hillary 39%
Time: Trump 58%, Hillary 42%
Fortune: Trump 51, Hillary 49%
Heavy: Trump 71%, Hillary 26%
Wa. Times: Trump 71%, Hillary 24%, Neither 4%, Lester Holt 2%
The Hill: Trump 59%, Hillary 36%
Vox: Trump 59%, Hillary 36%

Won't even point to far right sites.

The most hilarious part is CNN's fake poll showing a Hillary landslide victory that is prevalent in almost every article about the debate. Every major media site is quoting CNNs fake numbers and refusing to put up a real poll people can vote on.

This is indicative of what to expect in the election though. Trump has huge support behind him and no amount of polling a list of X of each party will ever show it.

[AzzarTheGod]

Interesting poll numbers. I will definitely be pulling a torrent later and going over it. I didn't catch much because things heated up in the room, as I said, but the "excuse me" that I did catch wasn't Jeb-bashing quality, and that's what I meant.

Just wanted to clarify. Trump was tempered. The moderator was bashing him. If Hillary was bashed I didn't see it.

[R Flair]

Interesting poll numbers. I will definitely be pulling a torrent later and going over it. I didn't catch much because things heated up in the room, as I said, but the "excuse me" that I did catch wasn't Jeb-bashing quality, and that's what I meant.

Just wanted to clarify. Trump was tempered. The moderator was bashing him. If Hillary was bashed I didn't see it.

You will be in for a treat, cause there were a few of those moments where he spoke over and silenced both Hillary and Holt. Many funny videos will come of it.

[AzzarTheGod]

You will be in for a treat, cause there were a few of those moments where he spoke over and silenced both Hillary and Holt. Many funny videos will come of it.

Well now I am not sure if I should be angry about the disruptions in the room because I actually missed something...lol.

Appreciate the tip off.

[Daywolf]

Wa. Times: Trump 71%, Hillary 24%, Neither 4%, Lester Holt 2%
teh beast! ftw!

[R Flair]

The only way anyone could think Hillary won the debate is if they think racebaiting shit like "racist birther issue" or "that latino you called a housekeeper had a name" and a slew of other instances of liberal word-policing and shaming is actual a valid form of debate tactics.

News flash, normal people don't care about those empty, trivial insults. They do, however, care about Trumps insults which point to her being an actual criminal and an ineffective politician.

[Daywolf]

If you remember, they did the same thing to that weenie, Mitt Romney. Difference is, he backed down from the moderator where as the Don stood his ground.

[R Flair]

Next time the Don should say I guess the founding fathers were all racist for saying someone should be a citizen of the US to be president, cuz being black had nothing to do with why we asked for him to prove his citizenship.

[AzzarTheGod]

The only way anyone could think Hillary won the debate is if they think racebaiting shit like "racist birther issue" or "that latino you called a housekeeper had a name" and a slew of other instances of liberal word-policing and shaming is actual a valid form of debate tactics.

News flash, normal people don't care about those empty, trivial insults. They do, however, care about Trumps insults which point to her being an actual criminal and an ineffective politician.

I busted out laughing (among the angry ADHDs who were pretty fired up over her performance) along with 1 other guy.

Shit was fucking hilarious. That housekeeper stuff had us smiling hard. Still makes me grin a bit. Its so cheesy to try to go after something like that...yeesh...

[R Flair]

Her arguments were honestly nothing but a bunch of school yard name calling and grandstanding. "That latino woman is NOW A CITIZEN and you can bet come november SHE WILL VOTE!"

What a champion for the oppressed masses! She will provide safe spaces for all those afflicted by the evil boogeyman Trump.

Give me a fukin break.

[AzzarTheGod]

^ That's exactly the line right there. Got me n this 1 guy good.

[Baler]

I never remember the 'big debate' being such a fucking circus, except for the past few elections. Interruptions, name calling, Insinuations on false pretenses and even the moderator gets in on the act.

Am I remembering history wrong or has it gotten out of hand as time goes on? I want to blame the excessive availability of information now-a-days.

[Daywolf]

I never remember the 'big debate' being such a fucking circus, except for the past few elections. Interruptions, name calling, Insinuations on false pretenses and even the moderator gets in on the act.

Am I remembering history wrong or has it gotten out of hand as time goes on? I want to blame the excessive availability of information now-a-days.
Oh don't worry about that, buddy, this was only but the opening act. This election cycle is shaping up to be out of this world :D Even nose bleed seats are at a premium in this one.

http://i.imgur.com/grfjQPL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lO81a3j.jpg

Anyway, still was my first pick:
http://i.imgur.com/I0rUQVz.png

[azeth]

Just here to say Daywolf and baler make me legitimately fearful of the future of this country

[Daywolf]

Just here to say Daywolf and baler make me legitimately fearful of the future of this country

http://i.imgur.com/V2yqt5S.jpg

[l2kgaming]

Trump will be better at bringing in the money.
Hillary will be better at bringing together the community.

They should work together and have 2 presidents of the united states.

[radda]

Just here to say Daywolf and baler make me legitimately fearful of the future of this country

[maskedmelon]

^ An all too common schema of dysfunctional ethics where the belief that others doing wrong makes it okay for you to do wrong as well.

The allegory of The Unreturned Shopping Cart.

I find your point on hiding distasteful behavior interesting though because it fosters an environment of predation, wherein the prey are entirely unaware of the predators. If the predators act openly, they can at least be identified as such, affording their prey the opportunity to defend themselves. Advocating a situation wherein individuals learn to mask predatory behavior with apparent cooperation necessarily results in oppression and strengthens class division.

I get your point that certain behavior should not be praised, but I think it is important for children to learn consequence as a deterrent to actually engaging in the behavior rather than learning to hide it to be more effective.

[Baler]

Trump restrained himself quite well. hill dog that witch looked like she was reading lines off a prompter. Then after every provoke she threw at Trump she would show her sinister smile.

After the debate Trump walked around and talked with people. Hillary was no where in sight after the debate.

She was probably smashing her phone and deleting emails,.

[R Flair]

Trump will be better at bringing in the money.
Hillary will be better at bringing together the community.

They should work together and have 2 presidents of the united states.

For Hitlary, bringing people together is achieved by violating the rights and possibly lives of people who disagree with her ideals.

[Baler]

One strong point I want to add to this thread is hill dog mentioned Retraining the police.

Doesn't that send up red flags for anyone else?

[R Flair]

One strong point I want to add to this thread is hill dog mentioned Retraining the police.

Doesn't that send up red flags for anyone else?

While not a bad thing in theory, for her it would undoubtedly mean reprogramming.

Based on her "progressive" history, that translates to black criminals good, white men bad.

[maskedmelon]

I don't have any difficulty separating segments, I was stating the segment I was referring too.

I don't support Trump more than I support the Truth.

For your attempt to cancel out one fact with another argument, Hannity has come forward tonight and said what the Don said was 100% true. The Don did oppose the war. They did have heated debates before the war. Weather or not you agree with Hannity's views, the guy is flat out an honest guy that cares about his character and his country. I very much respect the guy, even when I disagree with his opinions.

Hannity is the biggest joke ever. Therefore, no validity will be given on the Hannity notion. I can't stand the "Wall Banger", aka Hannity. The fact he was mentioned was grotesque

Now this isn't a huge discussion point, not then. We don't have extensive interviews on everything since he's not a politician, not then. This is about as stupid a red herring as the Russians™ involved in EVERYTHING hehe.

I'd agree the Russian comment from Hillary was really stupid.


Now, again lets review the record just as I presented my reply you were replying to. In this case the record is HRC voted for the war in 2002. VOTED for it. I don't give a crap about her later excuses, ain't no take backs. And it's a leading reason she lost the democrat nomination to 0bama, because she did vote for the war.

It's definitely not the leading reason she lost lol. Either way, I personally despise Hillary for more reasons than this - anyway

You support whoever you claim to support, wha evah. I'll just stick to the truth first and foremost, let my decision fall in whatever direction that is. But for HRC, that is about as likely as a snowflake in hell.

There is no "truth" in politics , but either way ^^

I have nothing to contribute to this feud, but I couldn't leave this post as it was on page 3 as it was :/ Not looking to revive this particular discussion point either (looks like it concluded well), just saw this post and took pity on it. I am here to help ^^

[Daywolf]

One strong point I want to add to this thread is hill dog mentioned Retraining the police.

Doesn't that send up red flags for anyone else?They want to federalize all the police.

[Nihilist_santa]

It was a decent showing despite the softball pitches Lester Holt was throwing Clinton. Trump was forced to be on the defensive most of the time. Anytime he let out a legitimate criticism of Clinton she either didnt respond or reframed the question or Holt came to her rescue. Trump could stand on stage and just say Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, Emails over and over for 90 minutes and trounce her. That is the part most people are missing here.

She can come across polished and practiced just like someone who is used to lying to the public for 30 years. She was a robot. A steroid shot and the blood of an unbaptized child must have put a little pep in her step. Regardless of that though she has no believable or legitimate response to the charges of her corruption that the public wants answers for and that will kill her every time.

Trump was at least honest about paying no taxes. I dont understand why that is a bad thing. No laws were broken and like he said as a politician for 30 years she could have closed those loop holes or pushed for it but Im sure her donors and foundation benefit from the same loopholes. She brings up charitability while her husband and her run an organization that stole humanitarian aid money from earthquake devastated Haiti.

The next debate will be a lot of the same since Anderson Cooper will be moderating. You could tell Trump was holding back on some things so interested to see what happens next. You could see the look in his eye as she would set herself up but he was giving her a pass. Probably saving it for the next one and allowing her to feel smug about her abilities to shape shift.

[maskedmelon]

I remain fearful that Trump's big win will be when President Clinton pulls a few strings to award his firm all of the public works projects in his area of operation. I would think Trump's Eco would demand the carrot would have to be fatter than that though for Trump to pursue it through a losing presidential race. I hope so anyway.

[Nihilist_santa]

I remain fearful that Trump's big win will be when President Clinton pulls a few strings to award his firm all of the public works projects in his area of operation. I would think Trump's Eco would demand the carrot would have to be fatter than that though for Trump to pursue it through a losing presidential race. I hope so anyway.

Only time will tell. If he gets a 600,000 dollar cuck shed like Bernie then maybe we will know something was up.

[Trungep99]

One strong point I want to add to this thread is hill dog mentioned Retraining the police.

Doesn't that send up red flags for anyone else?

No because police are using excessive force against minorities and don't use same force against whites. You basically want people to be like hey it's a black man, go get em. The police need retraining or more innocent citizens will be looked at as criminals for no reason.

What we do is : not being scared of black people & all other minorities because they are of any other non Caucasian background .

Oh look he's holding something, it must be a gun! Oh right the police fucked that up over and over and over & you don't want them to change, in other words, police stay the course and more innocent people die and get harassed. As South Park quoted in an early season " they are coming right for us". I know it was based on a different theme but same concept.

[maskedmelon]

No because police are using excessive force against minorities and don't use same force against whites. You basically want people to be like hey black man, go get em. The police need retraining or more innocent citizens will be looked at as criminals for no reason

None of that is true though :/

[Nihilist_santa]

None of that is true though :/

Exactly. Trunge gets his news from cop block apparently. The police forces of the US are not a monolithic institution they have their own training and policies. Could you describe for us any specific policies or training that you would change?

People bitching about shit like stop and frisk(not directed at Trunge) are borderline retarded. Those are the same people who want to deny reality and flood us with Muslims given the chance. Since when has constitutionality really mattered? Technically DUI checkpoints violate the 4th amendment but the supreme court has let that shit slide forever citing public safety. Same could be applied with stop and frisk. All I care about are results and people who support Trump are tired of worrying about weaponized blacks feeling oppressed by the "man" when they force people to flee the cities.

[Daywolf]

No because police are using excessive force against minorities and don't use same force against whites. You basically want people to be like hey black man, go get em. The police need retraining or more innocent citizens will be looked at as criminals for no reason.

What we do is : not being scared of black people & all other minorities because they are of any other non Caucasian background .
Oh look he's holding something, it must be a gun! Oh right the police fucked that up over and over and over & you don't want them to change, in other words, police stay the course and more innocent people die and get harassed.
all bs, the soros army is there doing that for a reason.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are exploiting the killing of five police officers in Dallas to push a range of assaults on the U.S. Constitution, including a decades-old plot to federalize America's local police departments without any semblance of constitutional authority.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/23606-obama-and-hillary-exploit-murdered-cops-to-federalize-police

They need to destroy our laws so their globalist govt can be legitimized. The training is for federalization in accordance with the UN. People unwittingly supporting BLM (soros army) to their own doom, and ours.

This whole class warfare and cop war is a facade to what they are really doing.
http://i.imgur.com/UjhZHkq.jpg

[Trungep99]

all bs, the soros army is there doing that for a reason.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are exploiting the killing of five police officers in Dallas to push a range of assaults on the U.S. Constitution, including a decades-old plot to federalize America's local police departments without any semblance of constitutional authority.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/23606-obama-and-hillary-exploit-murdered-cops-to-federalize-police

They need to destroy our laws so their globalist govt can be legitimized. The training is for federalization in accordance with the UN. People unwittingly supporting BLM (soros army) to their own doom, and ours.

This whole class warfare and cop war is a facade to what they are really doing.
http://i.imgur.com/UjhZHkq.jpg

Oh wake up, the republicans are he authoritarians.
I'm too busy at work to truly repond, but not all police are corrupt but I have heard many stories from police officers about corrupt cops . One from a black cop who got pulled over and stopped and frisked, he later got the white cop who pulled him over fired for profiling . (Illegal where he did it).

[Nihilist_santa]

Come one Trunge you cant have it both ways. Which is it?

http://i.imgur.com/EFx9VBi.png

[Baler]

@Trungep99 I had a different line of thought when hill dog said she wanted to retrain the police. I believe her intent wasn't about solving problems between the government and minorities including past injustices committed against them.
Rather my line of thought for her intent was using the police to control the people, take our guns away and change the laws in the process. That would affect all people in America not just whites.

But she tried to play it off like the police are currently not mentally capable of doing their job now-a-days. She specifically mentions mental health. Which I'm sure we all have slightly different variations on what we think is mentally healthy.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I personally dislike cops from the get go. However, I feel better when every cop does have a camera on.

[maskedmelon]

I personally dislike cops from the get go. However, I feel better when every cop does have a camera on.

I don't particularly dislike Leo, but as a position of authority I can see that it would suffer from adverse selection, resulting in some bad *holds tongue* apples. I agree that body cameras are a good thing ^^

[Keykey]

How the Internet Normalized Donald Trump and Impacted American Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9TDNOIw8bk

So in Europe we’re fascinated with your election – Hillary and Trump. Goodness. And everybody that you talk to says well how is Trump being so successful? Why on earth are people tolerating sexist, racist, hate speech? And there’s a good answer for it. I wrote a piece recently for Time and I discussed why Trump is having the sort of success that he’s having at the moment. And it comes down to one thing. Trump is a troll that has jumped off the internet and into the real world. And the reason that so many people are tolerant of his extreme statements, this name calling, this horrible, nasty, even sadistic behavior is because the online environment has normalized this type of behavior. In cyberpsychology we point out that what happens in the cyber world impacts on the real world. What happens in the real world impacts on the cyber world. And this is certainly true in terms of Trump’s behavior. There’s a great study titled Trolls Just Want to Have Fun and you should read it because it talks about the dark tetrad of personality. The study found that people who say that they like to troll actually score high on an index that measures Machiavellianism, an index that measures psychopathic traits, an index that measures narcissistic traits and sadism. And the study found that trolling was a manifestation of everyday sadism. And election aside I know it’s important but I’m more concerned about a bigger issue. The issue is that people like me spend our time trying to teach kids to be nice to each other online. But it’s very hard for us to win that battle when politicians use cruelty and sadism as a strategy and appear to gain ground because of it.

[Nihilist_santa]

How the Internet Normalized Donald Trump and Impacted American Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9TDNOIw8bk

Complete garbage. Thanks for wasting our time with pseudointellectual bullshit. Its real simple. People have been force fed a PC agenda and the internet is the last place you speak freely without some SJW getting you fired from your job. The internet is just a medium for exchanging information. People are sick of career politicians paying lip service to our wishes and so they have chosen to back the only outsider that has been able to hang in there. If Ross Perot would have had the internet presence of Trump we could have been spared several bad presidencies.

[entruil]

I never remember the 'big debate' being such a fucking circus, except for the past few elections. Interruptions, name calling, Insinuations on false pretenses and even the moderator gets in on the act.

They need to destroy our laws so their globalist govt can be legitimized.

This whole class warfare and cop war is a facade to what they are really doing.

As long as we fight amongst ourselves and rally behind a State that uses perpetual warfare to remove freedom and security we can expect more.

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Trump and Hillary are best friends... Usually when performing on broadway the actors form pretty unique and often profound bonds(sometimes in a negative way). They are both probably partying together sipping on the tears of their lessers atm.

[Daywolf]

Trump and Hillary are best friends... Usually when performing on broadway the actors form pretty unique and often profound bonds(sometimes in a negative way). They are both probably partying together sipping on the tears of their lessers atm.
Illogical. Trump is a nationalist, Clinton a globalist. Trump isn't a globalist, and what you suggest is self-defeating as a nationalist. Trump is the real deal. The globalists are in meltdown mode over Trump, it's not some needless conspiracy. They hate hate hate him because we are going to bring their filthy globalism to it's knees. It would take an act of God to stop us at this point, it's kaput for the globalists.

[rebeccablack]

trump was a rambling mess all night. really looked like a retard when attempting to discuss cybersecurity, which should have been an easy slam dunk and pivot to clinton's past fuckups there. he took clinton's bait every single time and was on the defensive all night instead of really hammering her when he should have. i'm not necessarily a trump fan but i'll freely acknowledge that the questions were very lopsided against him.

clinton was robotic and overprepared but came across as pretty poised for the most part. i think she benefited from being underestimated due to the health scare scandals. she had a couple zings that surprised me, but she mostly just pushed don off the rails and let him hang himself. don's best line was the point about the dems talking a big game about helping minority communities and then ignoring them when it's not an election year. doubt we'll hear soundbites of that tho.

[entruil]

Illogical. Trump is a nationalist, Clinton a globalist. Trump isn't a globalist, and what you suggest is self-defeating as a nationalist. Trump is the real deal. The globalists are in meltdown mode over Trump, it's not some needless conspiracy. They hate hate hate him because we are going to bring their filthy globalism to it's knees. It would take an act of God to stop us at this point, it's kaput for the globalists.

I would like to believe that ... However, I just sit and wonder, who is the ONLY person who could have a chance at losing against hillary... ...

I guess i will just have to wait and see...


trump was a rambling mess all night. really looked like a retard when attempting to discuss cybersecurity, which should have been an easy slam dunk and pivot to clinton's past fuckups there. he took clinton's bait every single time and was on the defensive all night instead of really hammering her when he should have. i'm not necessarily a trump fan but i'll freely acknowledge that the questions were very lopsided against him.

clinton was robotic and overprepared but came across as pretty poised for the most part. i think she benefited from being underestimated due to the health scare scandals. she had a couple zings that surprised me, but she mostly just pushed don off the rails and let him hang himself. don's best line was the point about the dems talking a big game about helping minority communities and then ignoring them when it's not an election year. doubt we'll hear soundbites of that tho.

just quoted so it don't get covered up above my post...

will add ... I read that as objective truth for the most part (or at least sane).

[Jarnauga]

Only in 'murica can you have the "law and order" candidate to admit that evading tax is "smart" and have people applauding

[Pokesan]

the taxman has always been widely reviled

[Lune]

Only in 'murica can you have the "law and order" candidate to admit that evading tax is "smart" and have people applauding

Yea I just thought that was so disgusting. The fact that this is the type of thinking that characterizes fiscal conservatives, I understand. The contempt for taxes and patriotism--yes, you can't be a patriot if you have no sense of civic duty, or any duty other than to yourself. I've come to accept that's how they work and it's not going to change.

But extend this further. These people would probably react the same way to powering our economy on coal and just generally raping the planet. That type of activity is super efficient. It benefits us, somewhat, in the short run. So if you're motivated purely by immediate self interest, it is 'smart'. It's also reprehensible.

[AzzarTheGod]

After the debate Trump walked around and talked with people. Hillary was no where in sight after the debate.

She was probably smashing her phone and deleting emails,.

No she was probably receiving medical attention.

She is capable of great performances but only with the assistance of certain short-acting drugs and anti-epileptic agents due to her brain condition.

[Patriam1066]

Trump bragging about not paying taxes was indeed supremely fucked up

[AzzarTheGod]

They want to federalize all the police.

Why not? They already do most of their enforcement actions on behalf of the federal government.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law, and all possession cases are also federal crimes. They get federal incentive money if they make a certain number of arrests for said possession (guns, drugs). Incentive and aid money already dictates the policy and procedures of local LEO.

Why not federalize if they are de-facto federalized anyway?

Name one good reason not to.

[AzzarTheGod]

Trump bragging about not paying taxes was indeed supremely fucked up

Nice GNN spin. He didn't brag about not paying taxes.

Next.

[AzzarTheGod]

Only time will tell. If he gets a 600,000 dollar cuck shed like Bernie then maybe we will know something was up.

This had me smiling hard.

[Patriam1066]

Come one Trunge you cant have it both ways. Which is it?

http://i.imgur.com/EFx9VBi.png

LOL

[AzzarTheGod]

LOL I missed that. Nihilist going hammers on the donks in this thread.

[Jarnauga]

Donald Trump, Republican:

1) Falsely said “you’re wrong” when the moderator told him a judge ruled New York City’s “stop and frisk” program unconstitutional. (That happened in 2013.)

2) Falsely said he had four business bankruptcies. (Clinton was correct — it’s six.)

3) Falsely said he “never said” that pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. (In 2004, he said precisely that: pregnancy is "a wonderful thing for the woman, it's a wonderful thing for the husband, it's certainly an inconvenience for a business. And whether people want to say that or not, the fact is it is an inconvenience for a person that is running a business.")

4) Falsely said “I did not. I did not” to Clinton’s charge that he thinks Climate change is a “hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” (He wrote on Twitter in 2012: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.” In 2014, he tweeted, “Snowing in Texas and Louisiana, record setting freezing temperatures throughout the country and beyond. Global warming is an expensive hoax!”)

5) Falsely said, “Wrong, wrong” when Clinton said he supported the invasion of Iraq. (He publicly supported the war; there is no evidence he changed his mind until after the war.)

6) Falsely said, “They did an article in a major magazine, shortly after the war started. I think in '04. But they did an article which had me totally against the war in Iraq.” (The article, in Esquire, was not “shortly after the war started”— it was 17 months into the war.)

7) Falsely characterized interviews about Iraq with Howard Stern and Neil Cavuto: “The record shows that I'm right. When I did an interview with Howard Stern, very lightly, first time anyone's asked me that, I said, very lightly, I don't know, maybe, who knows? Essentially. I then did an interview with Neil Cavuto.” (Trump did not say “I don’t know, maybe, who knows” to Stern in 2002; in fact, he said, “Yeah, I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly.” In the interview with Cavuto, he did not take an actual position, saying: “Well, he has either got to do something or not do something.”

8) Falsely asserted that Clinton has “been fighting ISIS (her) entire adult life.” (ISIS was founded after Clinton turned 50.)

9) Falsely said, “And now you want to approve Trans-Pacific Partnership.” (Clinton made a significant false claim on this subject too; see below. But it is false that she “now” wants to approve it. Though she supported it as secretary of state, she is campaigning in opposition to it.)

10) Falsely said murder has increased in New York City under the current mayor who opposes stop and frisk: “Murders are up. All right. You check it.” (In Bill de Blasio’s first year, 2014, the number of murders hit another historic low: 328. The city is still near that pace; there have been 246 so far this year, down from last year.)

11) Falsely said, “As far as my tax returns, you don't learn that much from tax returns. That I can tell you. You learn a lot from financial disclosure.” (Tax returns provide several additional kinds of detailed information.)

12) Falsely said of his tax returns, “I don't mind releasing. I'm under a routine audit. And it'll be released. And as soon as the audit's finished, it will be released.” (Trump is also refusing to release tax returns from 2002 to 2008, years his lawyer says are no longer under audit. One of his sons has acknowledged that he is not releasing the returns because it would hurt his political “narrative.”)

13) Falsely said, “ISIS formed in this vacuum created by Barack Obama and Secretary Clinton.” (ISIS was created before Obama became president and Clinton became secretary of state. While it gained strength during their tenures, it is false to say it “formed” then.)

14) Falsely said he “just got today” the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police. (The endorsement was delivered 10 days ago.)

15) Falsely said, “We have a Fed that's doing political things. This Janet Yellen of the Fed. The Fed is doing political — by keeping the interest rates at this level.” (There is no evidence that Yellen has kept rates low to help Obama or Clinton, as Trump is suggesting. In fact, he himself endorsed her strategy on CNBC in May.)

16) Falsely said Clinton was uttering “lies” when she said he had said nuclear war in East Asia would be “fine,” and that he had said “have a good time, folks.” (In Wisconsin in April, Trump said he was fine with Japan obtaining nuclear weapons for a war against North Korea, and added: “It would be a terrible thing but if they do, they do . . . Good luck. Enjoy yourself, folks.”)

17) Falsely said, “My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that's worth many, many billions of dollars.” (Trump is greatly understating his father’s help. The loan, he has previously said, was $1 million. Journalists have discovered that he actually received $14 million in loans from his father as he started his career.)

18) Falsely claimed, on the “birther” conspiracy, that “nobody was pressing it” after 2011. (Trump repeatedly tweeted and spoke about the subject in the following years. In 2013, for example, he tweeted, “How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s “birth certificate” died in plane crash today. All others lived.”)

19) Falsely said the U.S. trade deficit “with all of the countries that we do business with” is “almost $800 billion a year.” (The trade deficit last year was $532 billion. It rises to $746 billion when only goods are counted, not the services at which the U.S. excels, but Trump did not specify he was excluding the U.S.’s strength.)

20) Falsely said “wrong, wrong” when Clinton told him, “You even at one time suggested that you would try to negotiate down the national debt of the United States.” (While he quickly backtracked from this May suggestion, he did make it at one time.)

21) Falsely said, “In addition, I was just endorsed by ICE. They've never endorsed anybody before on immigration. I was just endorsed by ICE.” (Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a government agency that does not endorse candidates. Trump was actually endorsed by a union of some of its employees, the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Council.)

22) Falsely denied that he has been “praiseworthy of Vladimir Putin.” (Trump has praised Putin repeatedly, even calling him a superior leader to Obama.)

23) Falsely said, “They're using our country as a piggy bank to rebuild China.” (This makes no sense — the U.S. is a net borrower from China, not the other way around, as Trump himself frequently notes.)

24) Falsely claimed Clinton has “no plan” on the economy. (He can reasonably allege that it is a bad plan, but it exists in great detail.)

25) Falsely said NATO had not “focus(ed) on terror” before he urged it to do so. (From Politifact: “NATO involvement in counter-terrorism issued its first formal declaration on terrorism in 1980, and it became a significant issue for the alliance on Sept. 11, 2001, said Lisa Sawyer Samp, a senior fellow in the international security program of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.”)

26) Falsely said of China, “They're devaluing their currency, and there's nobody in our government to fight them.” (The International Monetary Fund declared last year that China’s currency is “no longer devalued.” Binyamin Applebaum of the New York Times wrote: “There is no evidence that China is presently engaging in currency devaluation.”)

27) Falsely said, of nuclear weapons, “Russia has been expanding their — they have a much newer capability than we do. We have not been updating from the new standpoint.” (In fact, the U.S. is currently in the midst of a trillion-dollar effort the New York Times has called a “nationwide wave of atomic revitalization that includes plans for a new generation of weapon carriers.”)

28) Falsely claimed that Daesh (also known as the Islamic State) has “a lot of the oil in Libya.” (Independent experts say this is false. “They wanted to disrupt it, destroy it, not to run it," energy analyst Matthew Bey told CNBC earlier this month. "They had control of fields around (the city of) Sirte for a while, but they have since been mostly pushed from that area, and never had control of any upstream activity.”)

29) Falsely alleged that the Clinton campaign played a high-level role in the birther conspiracy theory: “Patti Solis Doyle was on Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened.” (Trump completely mischaracterized her CNN remarks; she had said that a campaign volunteer who forwarded a birther email was fired.)

30) Falsely described Mexico’s value-added tax as a kind of trade barrier: “When we sell into Mexico, there's a tax. When they sell in — automatic, 16 percent, approximately. When they sell into us, there's no tax. It's a defective agreement.” (This is a gross misunderstanding of how a VAT works.)

31) Falsely said, “She spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me.” (Clinton has spent about $100 million in total advertising, CBS reports.)

32) Falsely said of U.S. companies hoarding cash overseas: “They can’t bring their money back into our country because of bureaucratic red tape because they can’t get together.” (The issue is the high U.S. corporate tax rate, not bureaucracy; Trump did note the tax rate a little earlier.)

33) Falsely suggested that Ford’s outsourcing of small car production to Mexico will mean “thousands of jobs leaving Michigan.” (Ford is shifting the production of new products to the affected plants and not cutting any jobs.)

34) Falsely called Palm Beach, Florida “probably the wealthiest community there is in the world.” (Palm Beach is not even the wealthiest community in America, let alone the world. The Palm Beach Post put it at number three in the country; other rankings, with different measures of wealth, have it lower.)

35) Misleadingly said to Clinton, “You are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in history.” (Clinton’s increases are large, but they are only on wealthy people.)

36) Misleadingly said, “In New York City, stop and frisk, we had 2,200 murders, and stop and frisk brought it down to 500 murders.” (It is a great exaggeration to attribute the entire decline to stop and frisk. Crime declined massively around the country during this period, including in cities that did not use the practice.)

Hillary Clinton, Democrat

1) Falsely denied that she called the Trans-Pacific Partnership “the gold standard” or that she had backed the deal before she opposed it. (She praised TPP at length as secretary of state.)

2) Falsely said the “only years” of Trump’s tax returns that have been publicly released “showed that he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” (The documents show Trump did pay taxes in three years in the 1970s.)

3) Falsely said, “When I became secretary of state, Iran was weeks away from having enough nuclear material to form a bomb.” (Independent experts say Iran was not that close.)

4) Falsely said her tax plan “would not add a penny to the debt, and (Trump’s) plans would add $5 trillion to the debt.” (The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, the group that estimated Trump’s plan would add $5 trillion to the debt, also estimated that Clinton’s would add $200 billion.)

5) Misleadingly said Trump said “women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men.” (This is an exaggeration. When asked in 2015, “If you become president will a woman make the same as a man,” he responded, “You’re gonna make the same if you do as good a job.” He did not go so far as to say women “don’t deserve” equal pay.)

6) Misleadingly claimed, "I was so shocked when Donald publicly invited Putin to hack into Americans. That is just unacceptable." (This is a highly plausible interpretation of Trump’s words about her own deleted emails — “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing” — but Clinton is wrong to suggest he had invited Russia to hack into “Americans” in general.)

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[maskedmelon]

I always take the standard deduction when filing my taxes because I can afford it and I know there are many who cannot who rely on government services for their livelihood.

Anyone else do anything like this, or am I alone in my love of humanity?

[AzzarTheGod]

I always take the standard deduction when filing my taxes because I can afford it and I know there are many who cannot who rely on government services for their livelihood.

Anyone else do anything like this, or am I alone in my love of humanity?

I know you do realize its extremely bad form for anyone to comment on this otherwise...

Nobody should be saying anything re; taxes on the internet if they own property or a business(es).

We joke a lot, but the NSA does actually share data with LEO through certain LEO programs. Google DEA SOD program for just an example of warrantless data collection and investigations begun through NSA data. Its here, its real. Its not a paranoid fantasy. Taxes are something they do not mess around with. Especially when it comes to small men.

Commenting on taxes and how you do them is a no-go my friend.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/ADQJOUh.gif

yeah but you are behaving like a partisan hack (((Jarnauga))).

Fact-checking a debate is only within the scope of the debate itself. Both parties weren't asked an equal number of hardline questions, with Clinton not being pressured by the moderator (ala Candy Crowley help)

Clinton was given soft-ball topics and chose to dodge and avoid the hard stuff. Her strategy worked, as demonstrated within the scope of the debate you chose to examine (fact-checking).

Too bad the Presidency isn't about whether you declared 4 times or 6 times. God liberals are such little snits. I knew someone would post this.

[maskedmelon]

I know you do realize its extremely bad form for anyone to comment on this otherwise...

Nobody should be saying anything re; taxes on the internet if they own property or a business(es).

We joke a lot, but the NSA does actually share data with LEO through certain LEO programs. Google DEA SOD program for just an example of warrantless data collection and investigations begun through NSA data. Its here, its real. Its not a paranoid fantasy. Taxes are something they do not mess around with. Especially when it comes to small men.

Commenting on taxes and how you do them is a no-go my friend.

I understand there are plenty of people who extract every penny they can you taking every deduction possible, but that doesn't make it right. Just because a deduction is there, doesn't mean you should take it. Do you need it? From the starving mouth of which government program would you pry those dollars?

I am not ashamed to declare I pay more to the IRS than is asked of me. I started by randomly removing one deduction/credit each time I filed and now just take the standard deduction. It feels good knowing the money that I spend the majority of my life working for will be put to good use combatting preventable illnesses among those who were not fortunate enough to have been blessed with the solid upbringing or common sense that I received.

[AzzarTheGod]

No because police are using excessive force against minorities and don't use same force against whites. You basically want people to be like hey it's a black man, go get em. The police need retraining or more innocent citizens will be looked at as criminals for no reason.

What we do is : not being scared of black people & all other minorities because they are of any other non Caucasian background .

Oh look he's holding something, it must be a gun! Oh right the police fucked that up over and over and over & you don't want them to change, in other words, police stay the course and more innocent people die and get harassed. As South Park quoted in an early season " they are coming right for us". I know it was based on a different theme but same concept.

Gotta tag this as a reminder to myself to upload that story of the "White Hope" mental-health worker going renegade at a gas station last week. He did everything and police did indeed do everything possible to NOT kill him.

Was some amazing restraint and police work. I just haven't taken the time to snapshot it and email it to myself yet.

[Jarnauga]

yeah but you are behaving like a partisan hack (((Jarnauga))).

Fact-checking a debate is only within the scope of the debate itself. Both parties weren't asked an equal number of hardline questions, with Clinton not being pressured by the moderator (ala Candy Crowley help)

Clinton was given soft-ball topics and chose to dodge and avoid the hard stuff. Her strategy worked, as demonstrated within the scope of the debate you chose to examine (fact-checking).

Too bad the Presidency isn't about whether you declared 4 times or 6 times. God liberals are such little snits. I knew someone would post this.

yeah, yeah, same tactic as usual.. "it's not fair it was RIGGED"

which is the best sign that clinton won that one easy

[R Flair]

yeah, yeah, same tactic as usual.. "it's not fair it was RIGGED"

which is the best sign that clinton won that one easy

you are an idiot. your list is full of bias and lies. stop copy pasting shit without doing at least a tiny bit of independent fact checking before dumping other peoples dishonesty on us.

[skarlorn]

didn't read thread. didn't watch debate.

who won?

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I got to say the CIA psychologist really did a good job rehearsing certain "Trigger words", with Hillary. I mean when she mentioned the trigger "Father", to trump, she really threw him off base. It was literally like the book "The Manchurian Candidate".

[Daywolf]

Trump bragging about not paying taxes was indeed supremely fucked up
But it's perfectly ok for corporations that generously give to the Democrats and show up to their global warming meetings - to take advantage of the loop holes written for these corporatists (and republican neocons too btw)? But anyone outside of these wonderful corporations, if they legally use those loop holes too, then this is a total moral dilemma?

This is why they are there, no other reason, to cater to special interest and the globalists, it helps for the money to flow in so they can take power. Otherwise they would fix the tax laws. In this case, the Don makes enough to take at least some advantage of it. He was telling the truth about that, she had a chance to clean it up, but she didn't and they won't, because they put those laws there for a reason and take full advantage of them.

Really, it's rigged, they even have the stock market rigged. They manipulate it and conduct insider trading. Some of our politicians have made fortunes off of it, and their globalist friends even more.

[Jarnauga]

you are an idiot. your list is full of bias and lies. stop copy pasting shit without doing at least a tiny bit of independent fact checking before dumping other peoples dishonesty on us.

you're proving my point:

yeah, yeah, same tactic as usual.. "it's not fair it was RIGGED"

[AzzarTheGod]

I got to say the CIA psychologist really did a good job rehearsing certain "Trigger words", with Hillary. I mean when she mentioned the trigger "Father", to trump, she really threw him off base. It was literally like the book "The Manchurian Candidate".

Def some CIA involvement with the Clintons. Too much goes in her favor, excluding the debate. She definitely has a few CIA consultants who are loyal to her for probably 25 years now.

Especially with Bills connections. You would have to be a moron not to presume there's CIA consultants working with her.

[R Flair]

you're proving my point:

your list is more radically conspiratorial than anything on infowars including clockwork gnomes

[Chaboo_Cleric]

What's Creepy is Hillary glorified her Father as a good, kind, individual. Whereas in her biography, it says he was a horrible individual who fought with his wife regularly and abused her.
Aside from also being an Alcoholic.

[entruil]

Why not? They already do most of their enforcement actions on behalf of the federal government.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law, and all possession cases are also federal crimes. They get federal incentive money if they make a certain number of arrests for said possession (guns, drugs). Incentive and aid money already dictates the policy and procedures of local LEO.

Why not federalize if they are de-facto federalized anyway?

Name one good reason not to.

hehe this had me going, then i remembered, too late. almost didn't even get to the last large printed question.


Police Raids Rio Slums (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGCPzJAj4rk)

Police helicopters sweep Brazil slums ahead of World Cup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N7ihaI9X24)

Brazil Police Torture and Disappear Slum Residents With Impunity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idkGD_TeQKU)* dont really know how credible this is but gets my point across i think...


either way this election goes... it's coming... =/

Anyone who took a econ class knows the monetary value system is a joke.

reminds me of econ pro refuting a know-it-all-snit son of a greenspan crony... it was glorious... i'm sure that sounds inflammatory , not my intention.


*- honorable mention "Manchurian Candidate"

[Jarnauga]

your list is more radically conspiratorial than anything on infowars including clockwork gnomes

anything in particular or everything ? because i'm pretty sure the sources are easy to find

[Ahldagor]

didn't read thread. didn't watch debate.

who won?

Hilbitch baited Trumpster masterfully and Trumpster's been doing clean up since.

[R Flair]

Trump absolutely dominated the debate up to about halfway when they sabotaged him with a series of leftist talking points and attacks where the moderated got heavily involved (and corrected by Trump: stop and frisk). Trump got pretty rustled and it left it looking like he didn't do as well.

Having watched the debate again its only more obvious how much better he did overall, despite the overwhelming opposition from both the candidate and the mod.

Its all good though. Trump up again today in polls. The obvious bias only worked in his favor.

[Pokesan]

unskew the polls obama

you wicked devil

[AzzarTheGod]

Hilbitch baited Trumpster masterfully and Trumpster's been doing clean up since.

Mmmhmm

[Angushjalmur]

Trump dominated, no question.

That fucking reptile started attacking him, the sadistic excitement clearly glimmering in her disgusting cold-blooded eyes.

But Trump the steady, the unmoving wall, the great, didn't bite. She was visibly rustled when he didn't take the bait and in stead just made her look like a childish bitch.

She even started to panic and cut him off when he was talking about her and iran, but then choked and hung her head.

[skarlorn]

Trump dominated, no question.

That fucking reptile started attacking him, the sadistic excitement clearly glimmering in her disgusting cold-blooded eyes.

But Trump the steady, the unmoving wall, the great, didn't bite. She was visibly rustled when he didn't take the bait and in stead just made her look like a childish bitch.

She even started to panic and cut him off when he was talking about her and iran, but then choked and hung her head.

thanks for the reply.
i've got your Small Banded

[Daywolf]

leftist talking points and attacks where the moderated got heavily involved
I know, what the hell was with the birther question? This was a debate? We really need to debate over conspiracy theories at a presidential debate? One of which was started by Hillary to use on 0bama when she ran against him?

Hillary is probably one of the worst conspiracy theorists I've ever seen. Geez, everything is a conspiracy with her, while she is actually running around getting caught with her own cover-ups left and right :D
boggles the mind

[R Flair]

I know, what the hell was with the birther question? This was a debate? We really need to debate over conspiracy theories at a presidential debate? One of which was started by Hillary to use on 0bama when she ran against him?

Hillary is probably one of the worst conspiracy theorists I've ever seen. Geez, everything is a conspiracy with her, while she is actually running around getting caught with her own cover-ups left and right :D
boggles the mind

This really was unprecedented. Its just the new norm washing over into the debates. That being they do what they want, revisionist history, altered reality, they make and break the rules at their leisure.

Topics at the debate are supposed to be real issues not fake racism conspiracy theories. You don't argue with the candidates in a debate. You don't shill for one of the candidates bringing up one sided arguments.

Its a shitshow. Good news is that its become more and more obvious and normal Americans are recognizing it... and its only giving Trump more momentum.

[AzzarTheGod]

This really was unprecedented. Its just the new norm washing over into the debates. That being they do what they want, revisionist history, altered reality, they make and break the rules at their leisure.

Topics at the debate are supposed to be real issues not fake racism conspiracy theories. You don't argue with the candidates in a debate. You don't shill for one of the candidates bringing up one sided arguments.

Its a shitshow. Good news is that its become more and more obvious and normal Americans are recognizing it... and its only giving Trump more momentum.

Good post. The recognition you speak of is slow-going.

It would take a trans-generational effort to raise the recognition we need. It's so deep rooted with so many distractions.

[Lune]

This really was unprecedented. Its just the new norm washing over into the debates. That being they do what they want, revisionist history, altered reality, they make and break the rules at their leisure.

Topics at the debate are supposed to be real issues not fake racism conspiracy theories. You don't argue with the candidates in a debate. You don't shill for one of the candidates bringing up one sided arguments.

Its a shitshow. Good news is that its become more and more obvious and normal Americans are recognizing it... and its only giving Trump more momentum.

Yea either it's a massive conspiracy everyone vs. Trump, or you're triggered because a stroke victim in a pantsuit bent your favorite candidate over the podium on national television

And then the wider national dialogue confirmed Trump was so full of shit he managed to out-lie the Queen of Lies, but I guess they are all in on it. Even I'm in on it, that's why I'm posting this

[R Flair]

Yea either it's a massive conspiracy everyone vs. Trump, or you're triggered because a stroke victim in a pantsuit bent your favorite candidate over the podium on national television

And then the wider national dialogue confirmed Trump was so full of shit he managed to out-lie the Queen of Lies, but I guess they are all in on it. Even I'm in on it, that's why I'm posting this

Ya everything is totally on the up and up. We didn't just watch a debate where the moderator argued with the candidate and shilled for one candidate on seven separate occasions.

Everything is normal, nothing to see here.

[AzzarTheGod]

או שזה כולם קונספירציה מסיבית מול טראמפ, או שאתה מופעל כי קורבן שבץ בחליפת מכנסיים התכופף המועמד המועדף שלך על הפודיום בטלביזיה לאומית

ואז הדיאלוג הלאומי הרחב אשר טראמפ היה כל כך מלא חרא הצליח מחוץ לשקר מלך השקרים, אבל אני מניח שהם כל עליו. גם אני על זה, בגלל זה אני שולח את זה

Well you do all have one thing in (((common))), anyway. You realize the US news media you subscribe to it is wholly bought and paid for? That's right you do. Just another (((hack))).


Got 'em.

[AzzarTheGod]

Ya everything is totally on the up and up. We didn't just watch a debate where the moderator argued with the candidate and shilled for one candidate on seven separate occasions.

Everything is normal, nothing to see here.

You're getting (((trolled))). Stand down soldier.

[Nihilist_santa]

What's Creepy is Hillary glorified her Father as a good, kind, individual. Whereas in her biography, it says he was a horrible individual who fought with his wife regularly and abused her.
Aside from also being an Alcoholic.

It also said in her book published around her last campaign that Kaine was a terrible pick for a VP (she was talking about for Obama) . Her new book only sold 3,000 copies in the first week.

[Nihilist_santa]

Yea either it's a massive conspiracy everyone vs. Trump, or you're triggered because a stroke victim in a pantsuit bent your favorite candidate over the podium on national television

And then the wider national dialogue confirmed Trump was so full of shit he managed to out-lie the Queen of Lies, but I guess they are all in on it. Even I'm in on it, that's why I'm posting this

Best part about all of this is that no one cares about leftist talking points and people were pretty much decided before the debate. Looking at the (skewed) polls we can see the performance didnt hurt Trump in the least. (((Lune))) and (((Jarn))) can bring it up at the next Socialist Workers Party of America meeting.

People just dont get it. If we had say a Rand Paul debating with Hillary they would have still shilled for Hill. Paul isnt as Charismatic and would have gotten slapped around. The people that support Trump dont care about his answers its his demeanor and the way he handles the corrupt establishment.

Most people dont give a shit about anything this election accept for jobs and immigration. The more the establishment tries to control the narrative and tries to make it look like black vs white, rich vs poor, the more people tune out of their narrative and turn to Trump who is speaking about issues they care about.

Question for Lune. Have you looked over Hillary's economic plan? How do you figure she can generate 10 million jobs while implementing an unprecedented tax hike? I understand they could offer public works but I doubt anyone is excited about building a new Hartz IV apartment block for immigrants so I am curious about your take. I just imagine she is full of shit and it will be more part time employment and low wages as per Obama.

[Ahldagor]

Ya everything is totally on the up and up. We didn't just watch a debate where the moderator argued with the candidate and shilled for one candidate on seven separate occasions.

Everything is normal, nothing to see here.

The moderator was terrible and let them be their circus. Next one needs a small hammer that cuts their mics. 2 mins, pop, done, rebuttals, pop, done, next topic. He let both go over, but Trump kept playing up to his little hands complex and dominating the volume and quipping pedantically (internet debate form from a presidential candidate).

[burkemi5]

So which one of you 400 pounders are the ones hacking our country? Man you guys get triggered when someone says something positive about Hilldog or negative about Trump.

[maskedmelon]

The people that support Trump dont care about his answers its his demeanor


This is what I would vote for. He's handsome too though, so that doesn't hurt. What it comes down to though is some people just don't like losing. Trump's a winner.

[Nihilist_santa]

So which one of you 400 pounders are the ones hacking our country? Man you guys get triggered when someone says something positive about Hilldog or negative about Trump.

Dimitri Illiyic FSB cyber warfare division reporting for duty!

http://i.imgur.com/bSZS7u3.jpg

[Daywolf]

If we had say a Rand Paul debating with Hillary they would have still shilled for Hill. Paul isnt as Charismatic and would have gotten slapped around.Oh seriously, the guy is a beast. I've followed his work since long before the primaries (years), with his filibuster of the patriot act (I actually watched some of that live lol), his floor debates and speeches, he's a lion. Ron was ok, but Rand could likely make president in the future if we're all still around.

Thing is, they have nothing on him, the guy is solid and clean. About all Hillary could do is call him a racist like she called the whole nation during the debates. He'd have more problems with the Republican party, especially the neocons. The guy will age good, learn to rise to the occasion better, better than his Dad did.

But it is what it is, and so onwards and upwards. Trump will work.

[Nihilist_santa]

Oh seriously, the guy is a beast. I've followed his work since long before the primaries (years), with his filibuster of the patriot act (I actually watched some of that live lol), his floor debates and speeches, he's a lion. Ron was ok, but Rand could likely make president in the future if we're all still around.

Thing is, they have nothing on him, the guy is solid and clean. About all Hillary could do is call him a racist like she called the whole nation during the debates. He'd have more problems with the Republican party, especially the neocons. The guy will age good, learn to rise to the occasion better, better than his Dad did.

But it is what it is, and so onwards and upwards. Trump will work.

Paul would have received the 2008/2012 Paul treatment. They would have just ignored him like they did his dad. Trump cant be ignored which is the only reason why they havent been able to set up a landslide for Hillary with another dead horse candidate like Romney. She should be ahead by 50 points remember :P

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Best part about all of this is that no one cares about leftist talking points and people were pretty much decided before the debate. Looking at the (skewed) polls we can see the performance didnt hurt Trump in the least. (((Lune))) and (((Jarn))) can bring it up at the next Socialist Workers Party of America meeting.

People just dont get it. If we had say a Rand Paul debating with Hillary they would have still shilled for Hill. Paul isnt as Charismatic and would have gotten slapped around. The people that support Trump dont care about his answers its his demeanor and the way he handles the corrupt establishment.

Most people dont give a shit about anything this election accept for jobs and immigration. The more the establishment tries to control the narrative and tries to make it look like black vs white, rich vs poor, the more people tune out of their narrative and turn to Trump who is speaking about issues they care about.

Question for Lune. Have you looked over Hillary's economic plan? How do you figure she can generate 10 million jobs while implementing an unprecedented tax hike? I understand they could offer public works but I doubt anyone is excited about building a new Hartz IV apartment block for immigrants so I am curious about your take. I just imagine she is full of shit and it will be more part time employment and low wages as per Obama.

Yeah she's gross. I was hoping he mentioned Monica,but apparently he didn't want to cause Chelsea was in the audience. Goes to show Trump can hold back.

[Daywolf]

Paul would have received the 2008/2012 Paul treatment. They would have just ignored him like they did his dad. Trump cant be ignored which is the only reason why they havent been able to set up a landslide for Hillary with another dead horse candidate like Romney. She should be ahead by 50 points remember :P
I know what you are talking about with Ron, I agree on that. Rand's definitely not Ron, he must get his attitude from his Mother or something. The dude would chase Hillary down a dark ally and beat her senseless with issues lol. He's not even aligned with his Dad on all the issues, Rand's a conservatarian, and I'm sure the private debates against his Dad have driven him to new limits hah.

The difference I think would be that Hillary would be stuck with trying to explain her policies (that Rand does 100x better), Rand would be on the attack most of the time. That's what he does man, and the guy is one of the best political talkers (or talkers in general) I've seen in recent times. That's well known of him. He wasn't at his best at the primaries, I don't know what was going on. I know though that a lot of Repubs did NOT want him there, the guy is hard anti-globalist.

[Jarnauga]

anything in particular or everything ? because i'm pretty sure the sources are easy to find

No answers :D i guess the facts are rigged too !

Here some more fact checking, i guess you already know the tally:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/1

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/27/trump-clinton-first-debate-fact-checks/

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/factchecking-the-first-debate/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/us/politics/fact-check-debate.html?_r=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/09/27/fact-checking-the-first-clinton-trump-presidential-debate/

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate

Inb4 hurr durr (((facts)))

[Nihilist_santa]

GTFO with that. We are talking politics and you bring up truth and facts. Have you studied History?

[Daywolf]

Yeah, those lefty sites are all about (((fact))) checking.
lol even npr... may as well have added Holt's FB page too :D

[Nihilist_santa]

Dont forget (((NYT))).

[entruil]

The people that support Trump dont care about his answers its his demeanor and the way he handles the corrupt establishment.

Most people dont give a shit about anything this election accept for jobs and immigration. The more the establishment tries to control the narrative and tries to make it look like black vs white, rich vs poor, the more people tune out of their narrative and turn to Trump who is speaking about issues they care about.


this is very true... I often wonder if Don is the answer to Ron's Rule from the people...

who else can cut through the TV news bs... still don't know if i believe it... but i love hearing stuff like.....

Hillary Clinton Is A Typical Washington Insider Politician | Donald J. Trump for President (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt0FlFu6sYw)

[Lune]

Question for Lune. Have you looked over Hillary's economic plan? How do you figure she can generate 10 million jobs while implementing an unprecedented tax hike? I understand they could offer public works but I doubt anyone is excited about building a new Hartz IV apartment block for immigrants so I am curious about your take. I just imagine she is full of shit and it will be more part time employment and low wages as per Obama.

She is full of shit. And even if she did have a plan to create 10 million jobs, Congress wouldn't approve it. When a President gets up there and promises millions of jobs, they are full of shit... even if it's someone like Bernie Sanders. The Presidency just does not have that kind of power. They can only do so incidentally by helping to fix systemic problems, and even then not without the rest of the country having solidarity.

Ya everything is totally on the up and up. We didn't just watch a debate where the moderator argued with the candidate and shilled for one candidate on seven separate occasions.

Everything is normal, nothing to see here.

We watched a debate where the moderator resolved to call the candidates out on the most heinously obvious of their bullshit. Donald Trump had the highest volume of thinly veiled bullshit, as was painfully obvious to anyone watching that had even an ounce of objectivity.

"Hurrrrr Lester, Hillary Clinton started birtherism, that absolves me of any responsibility for turning it into one of my franchises".

"Durr Lester, stop and frisk wasn't ruled unconstitutional"

Well you do all have one thing in (((common))), anyway. You realize the US news media you subscribe to it is wholly bought and paid for? That's right you do. Just another (((hack))).


Got 'em.

lol'd at the Hebrew

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Lol I came across Michael Moore's opinion on Trump winning. It astounds me anyone follows that Jabba the Hut. Let alone, takes any of his opinion as valid. Least it's not Al Gore the inconvenient idiot.

[Daywolf]

One thing for sure, even with Ron Paul's faults, he did help the Don get there. If it hadn't been for the Republican establishments hate for Ron, they would have never amended the repcon rules with the Ron Paul rule at the end of the last election cycle. The rule raised the number of states needed to start a contested convention. Cruzer came a little short because of it, and when he tried to persuade enough states to join in on a role call the first day of repcon 2016 to amend the rules then and there (something never done at the beginning of a convention but can be done), he got burnt.

[Jarnauga]

Facts don't matter anymore. Hey guys, i will create 10 billion jobs. I will colonize mars. I will reduce the debt and cut taxes at the same time. My opponent is a lizard.

https://vine.co/v/5rzrBt5ZLO9

[maskedmelon]

Facts don't matter anymore. Hey guys, i will create 10 billion jobs. I will colonize mars. I will reduce the debt and cut taxes at the same time. My opponent is a lizard.

https://vine.co/v/5rzrBt5ZLO9

lol ^^

[R Flair]

This just in 13 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjmh2k5W-6Q

[Spyder73]

Facts don't matter anymore. Hey guys, i will create 10 billion jobs. I will colonize mars. I will reduce the debt and cut taxes at the same time. My opponent is a lizard.

https://vine.co/v/5rzrBt5ZLO9

Trumps non existent plans are probably better than Killary's criminal plans that involve padding the Clinton Foundations coffers to maximum capacity.

[azeth]

Trumps non existent plans are probably better than Killary's criminal plans that involve padding the Clinton Foundations coffers to maximum capacity.

Tell us what you know about the Trump Foundation's holdings, expenses & tax breaks.

Just asking since you seem to be so knowledgeable about the candidate's private foundations.

[entruil]

Tell us what you know about the Trump Foundation's holdings, expenses & tax breaks.

Just asking since you seem to be so knowledgeable about the candidate's private foundations.

I thought it was cool how Hillary's team all of a sudden had a lightbulb and immediately went down the laundry list of things the republicans been attacking her with for years and started accusing trump of them. /shrug

[entruil]

I thought it was cool how Hillary's team all of a sudden had a lightbulb and immediately went down the laundry list of things the republicans been attacking her with for years and started accusing trump of them. /shrug

http://i.imgur.com/QsRzc9C.jpg

[Patriam1066]

Trump is less likely to have any support in congress whereas Hillary is basically on the side of 75% of our puppets in the legislature who want war, debt, free trade, etc

I'm voting for his as a protest because what can he really do in 4 years? He's a joke and no one will help him accomplish anything, which is fucking great. I don't want to fight in Syria or see a trade deal signed with Vietnam that reduces our industrial capacity further. Those are priorities 1 and 1A on Hillary's list of things to do, right after figure out a way to appear human

Oh and Jarnauga, I've been to France. Please feel free to stop interjecting in our politics when you have 25% youth unemployment and barbarian savages that your crusader ancestors would've killed on sight running you over on Bastille day with impunity

Thanks and God bless, you haven't been relevant since 1096

[Nihilist_santa]

Trump is less likely to have any support in congress whereas Hillary is basically on the side of 75% of our puppets in the legislature who want war, debt, free trade, etc

I'm voting for his as a protest because what can he really do in 4 years? He's a joke and no one will help him accomplish anything, which is fucking great. I don't want to fight in Syria or see a trade deal signed with Vietnam that reduces our industrial capacity further. Those are priorities 1 and 1A on Hillary's list of things to do, right after figure out a way to appear human

Oh and Jarnauga, I've been to France. Please feel free to stop interjecting in our politics when you have 25% youth unemployment and barbarian savages that your crusader ancestors would've killed on sight running you over on Bastille day with impunity

Thanks and God bless, you haven't been relevant since 1096

Boomshakalaka!

http://i.imgur.com/eDf6k2e.gif

[Ahldagor]

Sweet gif. That game is still fun as hell.

[Daywolf]

Yup, I just want him to kill stuff, not people. Lots of stuff, even if by doing nothing if that's what it takes. 0bama would have been a great potus if he just stayed on the golf course 24/7. Prob with HRC, she's too sickly to play golf.

[mmmroo]

i don't know who won but lester holt definitely lost

[Jarnauga]

Oh and Jarnauga, I've been to France. Please feel free to stop interjecting in our politics when you have 25% youth unemployment

the unemployment is because of conservatice policies that you seem to love so much in the us !

And i'll feel free to comment on the USA since you don't mind doing it at length on these forums about pretty much all other countries

and barbarian savages that your crusader ancestors would've killed on sight running you over on Bastille day with impunity

what impunity ? the guy is fucking dead you moron

http://i.imgur.com/K6WWcws.jpg

Thanks and God bless, you haven't been relevant since 1096

Well since we were right about irak and you guys basically created ISIS, i think we never been more relevant than now :D

[Patriam1066]

the unemployment is because of conservatice policies that you seem to love so much in the us !

And i'll feel free to comment on the USA since you don't mind doing it at length on these forums about pretty much all other countries



what impunity ? the guy is fucking dead you moron

http://i.imgur.com/K6WWcws.jpg



Well since we were right about irak and you guys basically created ISIS, i think we never been more relevant than now :D

If I wanted a Frenchman's opinion on politics id ask Angela Merkel

NEXT

[Csihar]

Just watched it. Underwhelming to say the least.

Hillary was 100% rehearsed, constantly pandered to the crowd, was quite belittling to Trump (and managed to use Trump's reputation against him very well to hide the fact that it was her and not him that was being demeaning). Came across as very disingenuous and nasty.

Trump sort of ranted a lot of the time, constantly repeated himself, was very defensive and Hillary got a rise out of him a bunch of time, went in too deep on little stuff which made him seem petty and under prepared.

I don't think either of them presented their case very well but Hillary won the debate. Not in the sense that she bested Trump with her arguments but in the sense that she won the crowd (even got a laugh a couple of times). A career politician doing what a career politican does best basically. Trump felt out of his league. He didn't play the game very well. It's a dirty game but that's sadly the way it is.

Hoping the next debates will have a little bit more substance.

[Jarnauga]

If I wanted a Frenchman's opinion on politics id ask Angela Merkel

NEXT

http://i.imgur.com/mV0TY.gif

[azeth]

Just watched it. Underwhelming to say the least.

Hillary was 100% rehearsed, constantly pandered to the crowd, was quite belittling to Trump (and managed to use Trump's reputation against him very well to hide the fact that it was her and not him that was being demeaning). Came across as very disingenuous and nasty.

Trump sort of ranted a lot of the time, constantly repeated himself, was very defensive and Hillary got a rise out of him a bunch of time, went in too deep on little stuff which made him seem petty and under prepared.

I don't think either of them presented their case very well but Hillary won the debate. Not in the sense that she bested Trump with her arguments but in the sense that she won the crowd (even got a laugh a couple of times). A career politician doing what a career politican does best basically. Trump felt out of his league. He didn't play the game very well. It's a dirty game but that's sadly the way it is.

Hoping the next debates will have a little bit more substance.

I had similar impressions of the debate. It felt like to me that Trump suddenly learned that the top floor Wall Street board room discussion is basically a elementary school recess argument compared to seasoned politicians coming at you.

[Baler]

...seasoned politicians...

BAD EXPERIENCE

[Angushjalmur]

http://i.imgur.com/K6WWcws.jpg





Jesus christ those cops have wretched aim.

[Baler]

Jesus christ those cops have wretched aim.

This^... They need to spend some time on the range.

BAD EXPERIENCE

[Angushjalmur]

This^... They need to spend some time on the range.

Seriously. Damn Euros and their inexperience with guns. Anyone competent with a pistol could have grouped about 12" on a moving target from the distances they were shooting at. Could have saved a hell of a lot of lives if they hadn't been waging war on the rear view mirrors and passenger seat.

[Daywolf]

When an officer is justified in believing that the individual whose suspicious behavior he is investigating at close range is armed and presently dangerous to the officer or to others, it would appear to be clearly unreasonable to deny the officer the power to take necessary measures to determine whether the person is in fact carrying a weapon and to neutralize the threat of physical harm. --Supreme Court, 1968 ruling in response to a 4th amendment case. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/28/clinton-wrong-supreme-court-says-stop-and-frisk-is-constitutional/

Stop and frisk is lawful under the constitution. It's left to law enforcement's discretion. HRC and Holt were dead wrong. :rolleyes:

[Csihar]

How did stop-and-frish work exactly? Did they randomly stop people and frisk them?

[AzzarTheGod]

When an officer is justified in believing that the individual whose suspicious behavior he is investigating at close range is armed and presently dangerous to the officer or to others, it would appear to be clearly unreasonable to deny the officer the power to take necessary measures to determine whether the person is in fact carrying a weapon and to neutralize the threat of physical harm. --Supreme Court, 1968 ruling in response to a 4th amendment case. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/28/clinton-wrong-supreme-court-says-stop-and-frisk-is-constitutional/

Stop and frisk is lawful under the constitution. It's left to law enforcement's discretion. HRC and Holt were dead wrong. :rolleyes:

People without their dick up DNC ass have always known stop and frisk is legal.

Weapons checks, and subsequent drug finds, are and will always be legal. The officer has a right to search who he is talking to for his safety.

[Daywolf]

How did stop-and-frish work exactly? Did they randomly stop people and frisk them?

http://i.imgur.com/0qEXg.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

How did stop-and-frish work exactly? Did they randomly stop people and frisk them?

The officer is allowed to know if the person he is talking to poses a threat (weapons etc.)

That's how stop and frisk started and was justified by departments.

[Csihar]

Alrighty. But how was it executed?

Do they randomly (based on racial profiling according to some then apparently but I don't care about that) approach someone and frisk them to see if they have any weapons?

Or was it something put into action once the "suspect" was already being engaged due to suspicious behaviour?

At what point does the stop-and-frisk start?

[Signal]

Trump absolutely dominated the debate up to about halfway when they sabotaged him with a series of leftist talking points and attacks where the moderated got heavily involved (and corrected by Trump: stop and frisk). Trump got pretty rustled and it left it looking like he didn't do as well.

Having watched the debate again its only more obvious how much better he did overall, despite the overwhelming opposition from both the candidate and the mod.

Its all good though. Trump up again today in polls. The obvious bias only worked in his favor.

Yeah...No.. Trump lost that debate start to finish.

[Signal]

Trump's issues is himself. Hillary is just more Political Savvy than he will ever be. Until Trump learns to get out of his own way he will continue to lose this race.

[R Flair]

Trump's issues is himself. Hillary is just more Political Savvy than he will ever be. Until Trump learns to get out of his own way he will continue to lose this race.

Trump is actually winning "the race." Even in increasingly inaccurate polls, Trump is ahead in popular vote and in delegates.

You are right about him needing to get out of his head.

He still won the debate though because at the end of the day, normal American's could see the collusion of Hillary and the moderator. He got railroaded and became emotional, but it left him looking like the good guy.

Also, he just stomped Hillary for the first half. After that is was no longer a debate but mostly just a series of questions like 'have you stopped beating your wife.' Only someone that drinks the msm koolaid and believes the conspiracies and dirt would interpret it any other way.

[Daywolf]

hah Trump losing from the lead. Then again Sanders skunked Hillary, but I don't think Hillary has enough money to pay off Trump like she did with Sanders. Or was that a "I know where you live" sort of deal >.>

[Ahldagor]

Trump is actually winning "the race." Even in increasingly inaccurate polls, Trump is ahead in popular vote and in delegates.

You are right about him needing to get out of his head.

He still won the debate though because at the end of the day, normal American's could see the collusion of Hillary and the moderator. He got railroaded and became emotional, but it left him looking like the good guy.

Also, he just stomped Hillary for the first half. After that is was no longer a debate but mostly just a series of questions like 'have you stopped beating your wife.' Only someone that drinks the msm koolaid and believes the conspiracies and dirt would interpret it any other way.

Fivethirtyeight has Hilbitch at 60% now. Bear in mind that they've predicted the last 2 presidential elections and mid term elections down to the county.

[R Flair]

Fivethirtyeight has Hilbitch at 60% now. Bear in mind that they've predicted the last 2 presidential elections and mid term elections down to the county.

They also take forever to update their map based on polling. For instance, Trump has been winning Colorado in most polls for over 2 weeks. Also he was as much as +5 and +6 in FL polls, but they refused to make the adjustment. Basically if any poll anywhere says Hillary is even close to being ahead, they mark it democrat.

They are diehard, but like I said back when they said Trump had a 12% chance, he is actually ahead. Unless something crazy happens, Hillary doesn't have a prayer.

[entruil]

Weapons checks, and subsequent drug finds, are and will always be legal. The officer has a right to search who he is talking to for his safety.



Alrighty. But how was it executed?

Do they randomly (based on racial profiling according to some then apparently but I don't care about that) approach someone and frisk them to see if they have any weapons?

Or was it something put into action once the "suspect" was already being engaged due to suspicious behaviour?

At what point does the stop-and-frisk start?



Officer's may have a right to search people that they detain for safety reasons,however this does not give the officer's the right to detain anyone for any reason.

Stop and Frisk (whether constitutional or not, this actually has not been decided yet, much the same way they will drop charges on politicians for corruption once they get them out of the way) was abused under the guise of "Disarming" criminal's. Walking down the street does not make someone a criminal.

In New York, small amounts of marijuana were decriminalized as long as it was kept out of public view. Using this stop-and-frisk tactic many officer's would pull the marijuana out of citizen's pocket into plain view as a way to harrass and discredit(and arrest) people that they thought looked like they should be.

That was just an example, many cases were thrown out as a result.

Using Guns to justify unlawful search and seizure, the NYPD had free reign over whomever they chose.

Now the fact that it is not under challenge atm is intriguing. Pretty well outlines the Dem reality that is the preservation of "The Largest Private Standing Army"(at least that's what bloomberg used to call it) and the Police State regardless what they try to convince you of.

However, have no fear in NYC. They have 4 camera's on you at all times minimum, so if you get attacked by a legit criminal and the Good guys are out harrassing people don't worry, they will watch it later.

[Ahldagor]

Officer's may have a right to search people that they detain for safety reasons,however this does not give the officer's the right to detain anyone for any reason.

Stop and Frisk (whether constitutional or not, this actually has not been decided yet, much the same way they will drop charges on politicians for corruption once they get them out of the way) was abused under the guise of "Disarming" criminal's. Walking down the street does not make someone a criminal.

In New York, small amounts of marijuana were decriminalized as long as it was kept out of public view. Using this stop-and-frisk tactic many officer's would pull the marijuana out of citizen's pocket into plain view as a way to harrass and discredit(and arrest) people that they thought looked like they should be.

That was just an example, many cases were thrown out as a result.

Using Guns to justify unlawful search and seizure, the NYPD had free reign over whomever they chose.

Now the fact that it is not under challenge atm is intriguing. Pretty well outlines the Dem reality that is the preservation of "The Largest Private Standing Army"(at least that's what bloomberg used to call it) and the Police State regardless what they try to convince you of.

However, have no fear in NYC. They have 4 camera's on you at all times minimum, so if you get attacked by a legit criminal and the Good guys are out harrassing people don't worry, they will watch it later.

Fourth ammendment comes into play big time.

[Ahldagor]

They also take forever to update their map based on polling. For instance, Trump has been winning Colorado in most polls for over 2 weeks. Also he was as much as +5 and +6 in FL polls, but they refused to make the adjustment. Basically if any poll anywhere says Hillary is even close to being ahead, they mark it democrat.

They are diehard, but like I said back when they said Trump had a 12% chance, he is actually ahead. Unless something crazy happens, Hillary doesn't have a prayer.

Depends on their algorithm which is their trade secret. They're good and shouldn't be discredited based on time.

[Csihar]

Officer's may have a right to search people that they detain for safety reasons,however this does not give the officer's the right to detain anyone for any reason.

Stop and Frisk (whether constitutional or not, this actually has not been decided yet, much the same way they will drop charges on politicians for corruption once they get them out of the way) was abused under the guise of "Disarming" criminal's. Walking down the street does not make someone a criminal.

In New York, small amounts of marijuana were decriminalized as long as it was kept out of public view. Using this stop-and-frisk tactic many officer's would pull the marijuana out of citizen's pocket into plain view as a way to harrass and discredit(and arrest) people that they thought looked like they should be.

I wasn't familiar with the concept but it made it sound like they "randomly" went up to people, stopped them and continued to frisk them. I gather that this is what happened.

If that's the case I don't see how that fits in with what's described in this text:

"When an officer is justified in believing that the individual whose suspicious behavior he is investigating at close range is armed and presently dangerous to the officer or to others, it would appear to be clearly unreasonable to deny the officer the power to take necessary measures to determine whether the person is in fact carrying a weapon and to neutralize the threat of physical harm. --Supreme Court, 1968 ruling in response to a 4th amendment case. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...onstitutional/"

If the stop-and-frisks could be compared to routine drunk driving stops then it doesn't seem to be protected under what is described.

The text described:

1) Individual displaying suspicious is investigated
2) Officer is justified in believing this person may be armed
3) Person is frisked

Stop-and-frisk sounds to me like:

1) Person is stopped and frisked

Or am I missing something?

[Paleman]

anyone able to decode whatever trump said during this debate?

[AzzarTheGod]

The text described:

1) Individual displaying suspicious is investigated
2) Officer is justified in believing this person may be armed
3) Person is frisked

Stop-and-frisk sounds to me like:

1) Person is stopped and frisked

Or am I missing something?

Missing it. After 11 PM many states have zoning laws. I'm sure New York does too. Not to mention loitering.

Many legitimate reasons to engage a potential suspect. And now they can't, even after-hours.

Taking away stop and frisk in its entirety did severe damage to LEOs ability to prevent crime. LEOs can't do their jobs and prevent crime without it. It was a major part of what's called "BROKEN WINDOW THEORY" on crime prevention, believed by Bill Bratton to be a necessity.

Rape and violent battery and deadly assaults are up 7% and 10% for the year, since stop and frisk was banned and cops were forced to just sit in their cars. That could be your family member, your daughter, your mother. Getting it yet?

[Csihar]

Okay but then it's:

1) Individual displaying suspicious is investigated
2) Officer is justified in believing this person may be armed
3) Person is frisked

Right?

I can't seem to get a straight answer to the my question. Was stop and frisk the act of RANDOMLY selecting people? Or was it simply the act of frisking someone who was already being engaged? It sounded random to me, which wouldn't be covered by what that text described.

If it's about frisking people who are already being investigated then alright. The name is pretty odd then though. 'Stop and frisk'

[Csihar]

I'm testing posting a Youtube link. It may be related to the thread. It also may not.

Test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq0K3O7P1uk

[Pokesan]

stop and frisk was injuncted in late 2011

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/20/new-york-city-suicide-rate-murder-rate-2012_n_2338994.html

call batman we've got a real mystery on our hands

[Angushjalmur]

Stop and frisk was wildly successful and should be reinstated nation wide.

[AzzarTheGod]

Stop and frisk was wildly successful and should be reinstated nation wide.

There is no good reason for it not to be.

What do you have to hide? If you aren't breaking the law, whats the fucking problem?

Making sure everything among the jobless and destitute, who are at a high risk of violent crime,

Making sure they are staying on the up-and-up and staying on the straight and narrow, is bad policy now?

[Pokesan]

the real problem is not enough female police performing the searches

[Jarnauga]

There is no good reason for it not to be.



(((the constitution))) ..?

[barrettdc1]

(((the constitution))) ..?

Seriously, ATG what the fuck?

Why don't we just chip everyone like dogs and let the gubment track us more than they already do? Ya know, CUZ IF U DON'T GOT NUTHIN 2 HIDE LOL.

The fuck outta here with that bullshit.

[entruil]

1) Individual displaying suspicious is investigated


If it's about frisking people who are already being investigated then alright. The name is pretty odd then though. 'Stop and frisk'

I might be off on a tangent confusing exactly what you bring up, and I think you answered it yourself to an extent in that post.

It's the displaying suspicious behavior that muddies the water to me...

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Azzar, the if you haven't done anything wrong argument can be used for a lot of things...

well if you aint done nuthin let us put metal detectors where you leave your property, cameras in your house,checkpoints and automated searches, random raids,self incrimination

the constitution is specifically made to restrain the Government from these types of things...


I know I live in my own bubble... I don't mind learning...

Most important though is probably to learn your state's version of

New York Civil Liberties Union - What To Do If You're Stopped By The Police (http://www.nyclu.org/node/3249)




here's another link from that site about 'Stop and Frisk'

New York Civil Liberties Union - Stop and Frisk Campaign: About the Issue (http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices) it is a parent link of the one above...

I don't like how it's framed as a racial issue but I can understand why it would be, some interesting links there imo.


I shouldn't even really be posting about it so i'll leave it alone now...

[Daywolf]

Okay but then it's:

1) Individual displaying suspicious is investigated
2) Officer is justified in believing this person may be armed
3) Person is frisked

Right?

I can't seem to get a straight answer to the my question. Was stop and frisk the act of RANDOMLY selecting people? Or was it simply the act of frisking someone who was already being engaged? It sounded random to me, which wouldn't be covered by what that text described.

If it's about frisking people who are already being investigated then alright. The name is pretty odd then though. 'Stop and frisk'
Well that's why I put the old lady pic in there, flashing the gang sign while brandishing a firearm. Personally I thought it was down right hilarious, which would be the correct response while understanding the issue. But I picked up on your question from the get go, what you were leading to.

There is no "straight answer" like you are looking for, not unless it's explainable to a robot (literally meaning - not calling you a robot). This is an answer for the human equation, and why we just cant have robots patrolling the streets. May as well just fly armed autonomous drones (and they probably will very soon) if you lawyer it up to an algorithm understandable by crude robots, which it can't be understood by them and work properly.

Haven't you ever ...felt... the outcome of a situation? Whatever you want to call it, a premonition? Whatever. Robots can't do that, only people can. Cops on the streets can develop that pretty well, they call it gut feeling. Better to listen to it and be wrong than to not listen to it and be dead. At least if wrong, nobody is dead. If a robot is wrong, and they can't do gut feelings, then they just break after the attack.

So no, I refuse to lawyer cops into becoming robots, then say "see they are not good robots" and then demand robots to be put on the street. Because that's what it leads to.

The 1968 supreme court had it right, it is fully applicable to this case of stop and frisk. Considering the huge amount of cases they get every year compared to the very very few rulings they have time for (less than 1%), it's a waste of their time to go back and commentary it down to lawyer it up and then probably go back to the courts again at a future date to commentary it down again.

http://i.imgur.com/JwOF8nY.jpg
Makes sense now?

[Ahldagor]

THE FOURTH AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.

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THE FOURTH AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.

yea sry ahld... I thought it was my patriotic duty to ignore the constitution... /facepalm

really though yea u are absolutely right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Sirken]

with a good enough lawyer, it doesn't matter what they find on you because it will be thrown out. don't give them any other reasons to hold you (obstruction of justice, resisting arrest, etc), and as long as they had no legal reason to search you, they cant use anything they find on you against you in court.

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[AzzarTheGod]

the real problem is not enough female police performing the searches

Exactly.

*writhes hands in anticipation of the next bait*

[Csihar]

Well that's why I put the old lady pic in there, flashing the gang sign while brandishing a firearm. Personally I thought it was down right hilarious, which would be the correct response while understanding the issue. But I picked up on your question from the get go, what you were leading to.

There is no "straight answer" like you are looking for, not unless it's explainable to a robot (literally meaning - not calling you a robot). This is an answer for the human equation, and why we just cant have robots patrolling the streets. May as well just fly armed autonomous drones (and they probably will very soon) if you lawyer it up to an algorithm understandable by crude robots, which it can't be understood by them and work properly.

Haven't you ever ...felt... the outcome of a situation? Whatever you want to call it, a premonition? Whatever. Robots can't do that, only people can. Cops on the streets can develop that pretty well, they call it gut feeling. Better to listen to it and be wrong than to not listen to it and be dead. At least if wrong, nobody is dead. If a robot is wrong, and they can't do gut feelings, then they just break after the attack.

So no, I refuse to lawyer cops into becoming robots, then say "see they are not good robots" and then demand robots to be put on the street. Because that's what it leads to.

The 1968 supreme court had it right, it is fully applicable to this case of stop and frisk. Considering the huge amount of cases they get every year compared to the very very few rulings they have time for (less than 1%), it's a waste of their time to go back and commentary it down to lawyer it up and then probably go back to the courts again at a future date to commentary it down again.

http://i.imgur.com/JwOF8nY.jpg
Makes sense now?

I don't think I'm explaining my question right but I don't know how to ask it in a different way. I'll try again.

Is the following scenario stop and frisk?

An officer goes out and thinks "I'll stop about 20 people today and see if they have a weapon. I'll start with the first person I see". Kind of silly but I'm trying to make it as clear as possible. So the stopping of a person would be completely random. The accusation of course would be that it wasn't in fact random but they were purposely selecting black and hispanic men. IF that is the case then I don't see how it's protected under the constitution.

Or is the following scenario stop and frisk?

An officer sees someone acting specific and stops them. Not a random act. Then he proceeds to frisk them. I see how that could be defended under the text you posted.

Was it something that was added to aid officers during a stop (a stop that they normally would have made anyway)? Or was it an action in itself like a routine drunk driving checkup? Anyone that passes will get checked.

Hopefully it's more clear now.

[Nihilist_santa]

I don't think I'm explaining my question right but I don't know how to ask it in a different way. I'll try again.

Is the following scenario stop and frisk?

An officer goes out and thinks "I'll stop about 20 people today and see if they have a weapon. I'll start with the first person I see". Kind of silly but I'm trying to make it as clear as possible. So the stopping of a person would be completely random. The accusation of course would be that it wasn't in fact random but they were purposely selecting black and hispanic men. IF that is the case then I don't see how it's protected under the constitution.

Or is the following scenario stop and frisk?

An officer sees someone acting specific and stops them. Not a random act. Then he proceeds to frisk them. I see how that could be defended under the text you posted.

Was it something that was added to aid officers during a stop (a stop that they normally would have made anyway)? Or was it an action in itself like a routine drunk driving checkup? Anyone that passes will get checked.

Hopefully it's more clear now.

It's pretty simple what the issue is. Basically anytime police are proactive like with stop and frisk it gets labeled as racist or profiling. Why? Simple because proactive policing means going to where the crime is AKA where tha blacks be.

[AzzarTheGod]

It's pretty simple what the issue is. Basically anytime police are proactive like with stop and frisk it gets labeled as racist or profiling. Why? Simple because proactive policing means going to where the crime is AKA where tha blacks be.

Yeah but that's kind of racist if you don't even need to go there.

Poor and destitute commit the crimes. Its all about the money. It just so happens black people have no money 99% of the time.

Ask yourself about the crimes you may have committed, I am sure they are all money related whether directly or indirectly. Money makes everything better.

Even situations you might not have thought about:

Example, assault and battery at the bar while cruising for girls. Well, if you were very well-off, you'd probably be doing like Jimmy Norton and have a different high end escort for every day of the week. You aren't going to be tussling with guys at the bar for not respecting you.

The face of money is everywhere.

[Csihar]

It's pretty simple what the issue is. Basically anytime police are proactive like with stop and frisk it gets labeled as racist or profiling. Why? Simple because proactive policing means going to where the crime is AKA where tha blacks be.

I think basic reading skills are a much larger issue :/

[Nihilist_santa]

I think basic reading skills are a much larger issue :/

Maybe elf sim isnt the best search engine pal.

[skarlorn]

Yeah but that's kind of racist if you don't even need to go there.

Poor and destitute commit the crimes. Its all about the money. It just so happens black people have no money 99% of the time.

Ask yourself about the crimes you may have committed, I am sure they are all money related whether directly or indirectly. Money makes everything better.

Even situations you might not have thought about:

Example, assault and battery at the bar while cruising for girls. Well, if you were very well-off, you'd probably be doing like Jimmy Norton and have a different high end escort for every day of the week. You aren't going to be tussling with guys at the bar for not respecting you.

The face of money is everywhere.

Confirmed most of my thievery career was as a young teen and it was in the candy racket. Cause I didn't have candy money.

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Cause I didn't have candy money.

I can't do it like ya'll at all... lmao echo echo echo...

[Angushjalmur]

with a good enough lawyer, it doesn't matter what they find on you because it will be thrown out. don't give them any other reasons to hold you (obstruction of justice, resisting arrest, etc), and as long as they had no legal reason to search you, they cant use anything they find on you against you in court.

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I think the fact that "good enough lawyer" is even a term speaks volumes about our legal system. Why would one lawyer be better than another? They're going by the same laws