Bill Maher Explains the Problem with Trumpism 5 Years Ago

[JurisDictum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RzlUjE_Lo

It's only 4.5 minutes.

Trump hasn't offered any real plans to address wealth inequality. Some gibberish about bringing back jobs...as if there's any rolling the clock back on that. Unless he is about to contradict his entire history as a person, he's just saying that to get you working / middle class rubes to elect him.

So what did those private investigators find out about Obama's birth certificate again?

How is that conservative justice going to help us get big money out of politics?

hmmm

I'd much sooner believe he'd build the wall.

[Daywolf]

https://youtu.be/ZtLznfIDEzI
lol

[R Flair]

That hillary video is so fucking creepy. Up until now she was just grumpy grandma. Now she has gone full blown decrepit super bitch.

ps Trump has a great plan for addressing wealth inequality. Its pretty much the mainstay of his entire campaign. Its tearing down socialist economics and red tape regulations that stifles new business, lowering taxes, and negotiating better trade policies.

[JurisDictum]

Right to work for nothing.

[JurisDictum]

That hillary video is so fucking creepy. Up until now she was just grumpy grandma. Now she has gone full blown decrepit super bitch.

ps Trump has a great plan for addressing wealth inequality. Its pretty much the mainstay of his entire campaign. Its tearing down socialist economics and red tape regulations that stifles new business, lowering taxes, and negotiating better trade policies.

Maybe lowering taxes and starting businesses isn't a great way to help middle class and working people?

The trade policy reform shit is a myth. If it was that easy we would have done that already. We live in a global economy and there is no way to roll that back without shrinking our economy here at home.

There's nothing wrong with China making cheap shit for Americans from an America self-interest view. What's wrong, is 100% of the gains going to the owners and none to the citizens of their country. Considering a lot of what they are able to accomplish is thanks to an educated workforce and powerful military, it should never be thought of as exclusively their money to begin with.

I also want to point out that he actually hasn't released anything resembling a "detailed" plan. Just proclamations of his general direction. But I'm sure he has detailed plans...we just will never see them.

[Daywolf]

I <3 crushing corrupt unions. Longcat is long.

[pgerman]

wealth inequality ?

No one is getting the 1% to pay for anything. Lets be clear about that.





Look at the % of taxes you pay from earning, to buying. If you pay an extra 15 % in various taxes, and get 8% in benefits ...........eh whatever.



I like how people treat the federal government like they are someones mom that just has your best interests at heart.

Federal government going to bring you a warm blanky and some soup?

They are going to tax and control you, until you can't open your asshole and take a shit without getting a permit first.

I also like how all these self noted "independent thinkers" Have the same ideas as every other Clinton/banks/big government zombie.

You are so smart, give yourself a hug.

[Daywolf]

Juri proving he doesn't support the wall street elitists by supporting wall street elitists.

[skarlorn]

OP,








i didn't click that link :o

[JurisDictum]

wealth inequality ?

No one is getting the 1% to pay for anything. Lets be clear about that.





Look at the % of taxes you pay from earning, to buying. If you pay an extra 15 % in various taxes, and get 8% in benefits ...........eh whatever.



I like how people treat the federal government like they are someones mom that just has your best interests at heart.

Federal government going to bring you a warm blanky and some soup?

They are going to tax and control you, until you can't open your asshole and take a shit without getting a permit first.

I also like how all these self noted "independent thinkers" Have the same ideas as every other Clinton/banks/big government zombie.

You are so smart, give yourself a hug.

I like how people think huge multi-national corporations like they have their best interest at heart...and I can go on with the reverse strawman but I'm not going to.

Talking about government like its a monolithic entity with an agenda of its own just advertises your own brainwashing. The government is not one person, one agency, one anything.

The countries with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality don't use our system, "liberal market economy." They use systems like democratic socialist and corporatism. The jury is out, our system inflates the top one percent until were in the streets like those BLM people. Our entire system is predicated on keeping labor cheap. We aren't -- and never were -- a free market. We don't subject the elites in this country to "market discipline," only the rest of us.

The government is a tool that people in lower classes need to learn to use. Rather than adopting your defeatist attitude. News flash -- there's more of us than them. I'm not suggesting the 1% pay us, I'm suggesting we never let them get as much to begin with moving forward.

[JurisDictum]

Juri proving he doesn't support the wall street elitists by supporting wall street elitists.

I'm not letting Trump put another regressive asshole like Scalia on the court who will uphold our corrupt money grubbing campaign finance system.

Clinton is Reagan lite. After this election (maybe the next one), her way of doing things in the democrat party go with her

[R Flair]

Reagan lite. Someone got haf tonight

[AzzarTheGod]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RzlUjE_Lo

It's only 4.5 minutes.

Trump hasn't offered any real plans to address wealth inequality. Some gibberish about bringing back jobs...as if there's any rolling the clock back on that. Unless he is about to contradict his entire history as a person, he's just saying that to get you working / middle class rubes to elect him.

So what did those private investigators find out about Obama's birth certificate again?

How is that conservative justice going to help us get big money out of politics?

hmmm

I'd much sooner believe he'd build the wall.

Good post and tagging for response later.

[Daywolf]

http://i.imgur.com/zYjyaMY.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/zYjyaMY.jpg

wat

[Daywolf]

even longer. It is what it is.

[Nihilist_santa]

JD Clinton was pro TPP until recently (which just means its lip service) so how exactly is she offering to help the "wealth inequality" problem.

I work in an industry with many union workers in a right to work state. The majority of them that I have spoken to (various ethnic groups) have all stated they are supporting Trump this go around for reasons like TPP and coal power plants and other issues which have taken away middle class low barrier to entry jobs. They are all pissed about being burned by Obama and the dems this last go around.

Many union workers in other areas are watching their jobs being sent to Mexico. Which candidate is offering to make a course correction with Mexico and China which will benefit our workers?

[Ahldagor]

JD Clinton was pro TPP until recently (which just means its lip service) so how exactly is she offering to help the "wealth inequality" problem.

I work in an industry with many union workers in a right to work state. The majority of them that I have spoken to (various ethnic groups) have all stated they are supporting Trump this go around for reasons like TPP and coal power plants and other issues which have taken away middle class low barrier to entry jobs. They are all pissed about being burned by Obama and the dems this last go around.

Many union workers in other areas are watching their jobs being sent to Mexico. Which candidate is offering to make a course correction with Mexico and China which will benefit our workers?

What industry for the union?

[surron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RzlUjE_Lo

It's only 4.5 minutes.

Trump hasn't offered any real plans to address wealth inequality. Some gibberish about bringing back jobs...as if there's any rolling the clock back on that. Unless he is about to contradict his entire history as a person, he's just saying that to get you working / middle class rubes to elect him.

So what did those private investigators find out about Obama's birth certificate again?

How is that conservative justice going to help us get big money out of politics?

hmmm

I'd much sooner believe he'd build the wall.

IDK if this is still part of his plan but he was going to change the tax brackets. Which fucking suck for me atm.

this is 2016 single filers

10%
$0 to $9,275
15%
$9,275 to $37,650
25%
$37,650 to $91,150
28%
$91,150 to $190,150
33%
$190,150 to $413,350
35%
$413,350 to $415,050
39.6%
$415,050+


I sit in 25%. Look at that fucking jump at $37k. $37k is high end lower class. That 25% man that fucking RAPES lower class and lower-middle class. I sit at $60k now but damn does that 25% hurt me. No way should someone making $90k be paying the same percentage as someone making $37k thats like the majority of every single american sits in that range. and a $90k lifestyle is WAY different than a $37k lifestyle

Here's Trumps bracket plan

Taxable income: Rate
Less than $75,000 12%
More than $75,000 but less than $225,000 25%
More than $225,000 33%

thats like a fucking 13% pay raise for me if hes elected (if he actually does this.) (of course once I make $75k that will hurt, or maybe ill just deny $75k and stay at $74k if this tax bracket plan really makes it in)

[Lune]

Here's Trumps bracket plan

Taxable income: Rate
Less than $75,000 12%
More than $75,000 but less than $225,000 25%
More than $225,000 33%

If you honestly think Congress is going to pass a tax plan anything like that, I feel for you, I really do.

Republicans may bitch about Democrat spending until they are blue in the face, but it's just a front, and it's directly mainly at certain kinds of entitlements. The Republican House/Senate will NOT lower taxes because that disrupts a few things they find really important:

1. Military spending - Most of them are beholden to contractors or have some kind of military base in their district, and will continue to bloat the military whether the military asks for resources or not.

2. Corporate subsidies - Especially agriculture is the sole reason certain rural Republicans were given their seat by local agribusinesses.

3. Medicare - They will bitch about socialism while defending medicare to the death, because they know nobody is allowed to make cuts to this ''popular'' program and keep their seat.

Honestly this is what we get for not nominating a candidate who sought to address the root of the problem, which is basically that our politicians do not represent our interests, but the interests of those with money and influence.

[entruil]

https://youtu.be/ZtLznfIDEzI
lol


lookin pretty unhinged like bernie's vacation style puppet string broke and jeff dunham sector alien overlords are having a recall... the banshee voice was showing too...

might read thread... didn't click op link but i like bill maher as a comedian so maybe i will...
http://i.imgur.com/Q9GyOce.jpg

[Lojik]

Trump is a giant fraud. He's probably the "opposition" candidate, but jesus christ this is what we get? He basically won the republican nomination by appealing to overtly racist groups, people who wouldn't admit to being racist in public, conspiracy theorists, and probably wealthy businessmen whose money he wants. Can he win the presidency this way? Probably not, although I'm not really sure he wants to president, I'm sure there's some way he's making money out of this.

I'm not really confident that we'll get a candidate in the next 20 years that will actually serve the interests of the people: Instead, wall street and government defense contractors will continue to gain at the expense of the american taxpayer, and bombing of various brown people will continue as scheduled.

Somewhat sidenote: are any of Trumps political rallies or anything held at his hotels? I could see him pulling some sort of shady accounting to get the political donations to pay his hotels exorbitant rates to host them.

[Pokesan]

political arson is the only defensible voting strategy in current year

[Angushjalmur]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RzlUjE_Lo

It's only 4.5 minutes.

Trump hasn't offered any real plans to address wealth inequality. Some gibberish about bringing back jobs...as if there's any rolling the clock back on that. Unless he is about to contradict his entire history as a person, he's just saying that to get you working / middle class rubes to elect him.

So what did those private investigators find out about Obama's birth certificate again?

How is that conservative justice going to help us get big money out of politics?

hmmm

I'd much sooner believe he'd build the wall.
Proving youre an idiot is as easy as 1 2 3!

1. There will always be wealth inequality within a capitalist system because it goes hand in hand with effort inequality. You get back what you put in.

2. Hillary started the birther movement, and all things aside, Obama has done more harm to america than any other political leader in the history of the world.

3. The wall alone will do more for the economy and jobs than any committee that democrats put together to see if they need to form a committee to create a committee to speculate on poverty and not actually do anything to better it.

[surron]

If you honestly think Congress is going to pass a tax plan anything like that, I feel for you, I really do.



my posts are littered with if's homie.

didn't know you were a congressional professional but couldn't your statement been said about anything? Especially Obama's health care reform which passed in congress

[Ahldagor]

my posts are littered with if's homie.

didn't know you were a congressional professional but couldn't your statement been said about anything? Especially Obama's health care reform which passed in congress

Check out how the ACA was modified the day after it was passed.

[JurisDictum]

Proving youre an idiot is as easy as 1 2 3!

1. There will always be wealth inequality within a capitalist system because it goes hand in hand with effort inequality. You get back what you put in.

2. Hillary started the birther movement, and all things aside, Obama has done more harm to america than any other political leader in the history of the world.

3. The wall alone will do more for the economy and jobs than any committee that democrats put together to see if they need to form a committee to create a committee to speculate on poverty and not actually do anything to better it.

1. No one is talking about 100% equality. That's a straw man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

2. Hilary never said Obama was from Kenya. Trump did for years. It's false equivalency and beside the point.

3. Net immigration from Mexico is 0.

[rebeccablack]

of course once I make $75k that will hurt, or maybe ill just deny $75k and stay at $74k if this tax bracket plan really makes it in
jesus christ this is not how tax brackets work

[Sage Truthbearer]

of course once I make $75k that will hurt, or maybe ill just deny $75k and stay at $74k if this tax bracket plan really makes it injesus christ this is not how tax brackets work

Lmao, that dude thinks that if your income reaches a certain level, ALL of your income gets lumped into the new bracket and you pay that new tax on everything.

I can't imagine anyone who graduated high school with that poor an understanding of how tax brackets work, I must be underestimating the average Trump voter.

[surron]

Lmao, that dude thinks that if your income reaches a certain level, ALL of your income gets lumped into the new bracket and you pay that new tax on everything.

I can't imagine anyone who graduated high school with that poor an understanding of how tax brackets work, I must be underestimating the average Trump voter.

The higher that number, the higher tax bracket you find yourself in. If you make $50,000 in taxable income, then $7,550 is taxed at 10%, $23,100 is taxed at 15%, and the rest, $19,350, is taxed at 25%. That means you pay a total of $9,057.50 in income tax.

ah yea didn't know it works like that but fuckin jokes on you i graduated college and make more money than your dad. still what i said is true, i reach another tax bracket I am taxed more. you must be a butt hurt bernie supporter sad about your crippling debt

[entruil]

might read thread... didn't click op link but i like bill maher as a comedian so maybe i will...

*Contains Cuss Words*Real Time with Bill Maher: New Rule – Trump's Low Bar - June 17, 2016 (HBO) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ8on8s0Hfk)*Contains Cuss Words*

i don't agree with him on things, but i liked this.

[rebeccablack]

i'm a college graduate who makes under $37k per year and doesn't understand how tax brackets work and i have valuable opinions about things

[JurisDictum]

Most people would save far more than $9000/yr if healthcare and higher education was virtually free. But it isn't just about that. Its also about workers rights. We work much longer hours in the United States for about the same money as other advanced democracies, and have no recourse over arbitrary firing. Our unemployment sucks. Don't have kids if you want to remain comfortable.

We don't do anything to address poverty in this country. I'm not claiming Clinton will, but Trump sure as hell wont either. We don't train those with no skills like they do in other countries. While this is a long term investment -- it pays in dividends eventually when people that are frying burgers at 35 start are skilled workers instead.

As hard as it is to believe with our corporate media telling you what "economists say" about things like the minimum wage, when the bottom rises it stimulates demand and create more jobs. It's far more efficient to transfer money to segments that blow a 100% of their income than those that save 20 -- 40% of it. Not to mention it changes the products and services in society to be more geared toward the middle and less geared toward catching a few riches.

But all that being said. If your a very comfortable single guy that thinks Trump is good for your situation -- knock yourself out. I just get annoyed when Joe the plummer tells us were killing him in his fake 250k/yr businesses. There's a really problem in this country people that make 37k a year identifying with those that make far more. It's hard to admit you are not self motivated and talented enough to be in the top 20%. But its true for 80% of us.

[surron]

@rebeccablack

lol sorry about your crippling debt and your "business administration" degree

http://imgur.com/a/RZnzX

[Pokesan]

edit that out man you're embarassing yourself

[surron]

57k 2 years after college is embarrassing?

[Pokesan]

posting it to "win" an internet argument is

e: i'll edit if you do

[surron]

hitting your 3500 post is more embarassing

[Pokesan]

sorry for trying to help you.

[surron]

check this out im bout to leave work early and go surf some tastey waves and then probably fuck my girl in her butt hole while you losers sit on an internet forum for your friday night

[JurisDictum]

check this out im bout to leave work early and go surf some tastey waves and then probably fuck my girl in her butt hole while you losers sit on an internet forum for your friday night

Trump 2016

[rebeccablack]

this is now a level 3 restricted cringe quarantine zone, please stay back

[Angushjalmur]

1. No one is talking about 100% equality. That's a straw man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

2. Hilary never said Obama was from Kenya. Trump did for years. It's false equivalency and beside the point.

3. Net immigration from Mexico is 0.

1. Whats the opposite of inequality? Equality. You're pushing for marxist level wealth equality.

2. “It also looks like the reason Obama refuses to produce his actual birth certificate is that it very likely records dual Kenyan and U.S. citizenship at Obama’s birth.”

3. In 2014, 5.6 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico lived in the U.S., down by about 1 million since 2007. Despite the drop, Mexicans still make up about half (49% in 2014) of unauthorized immigrants. Illegal immigrants also make up about 13% of the US population.

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[JurisDictum]

1. Whats the opposite of inequality? Equality. You're pushing for marxist level wealth equality.

2.

3. Illegal immigrants also make up about 13% of the US population.

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Whats the opposite of serious? A joke. Your opinions are a joke.

[Nirgon]

wealth inequality ?

No one is getting the 1% to pay for anything. Lets be clear about that.





Look at the % of taxes you pay from earning, to buying. If you pay an extra 15 % in various taxes, and get 8% in benefits ...........eh whatever.



I like how people treat the federal government like they are someones mom that just has your best interests at heart.

Federal government going to bring you a warm blanky and some soup?

They are going to tax and control you, until you can't open your asshole and take a shit without getting a permit first.

I also like how all these self noted "independent thinkers" Have the same ideas as every other Clinton/banks/big government zombie.

You are so smart, give yourself a hug.




bam.

[Jarnauga]

Who here thinks that paris hilton works more than the regular janitor in the US ..? you have to be retarded to think "you just have to work a lot to get rich".

This:

http://i.imgur.com/6T8KPRX.png

is not communism. Nobody wants wealth equality. Everybody just thinks that you should be able to work any job 35, 40, 45 hours a week and live a decent life. If you think someone who's already working 3 part time jobs for 80 hours a week and can't make ends meet is not working enough, well, i'm sorry but you're just blind.

you guys should try to read that if you have the courage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

written by a french :D

The central thesis of the book is that inequality is not an accident, but rather a feature of capitalism, and can only be reversed through state interventionism. The book thus argues that, unless capitalism is reformed, the very democratic order will be threatened.

Piketty bases his argument on a formula that relates the rate of return on capital (r) to economic growth (g), where r includes profits, dividends, interest, rents and other income from capital and g is measured in income or output. He argues that when the rate of growth is low, then wealth tends to accumulate more quickly from r than from labor and tends to accumulate more among the top 10% and 1%, increasing inequality. Thus the fundamental force for divergence and greater wealth inequality can be summed up in the inequality r > g. He analyzes inheritance from the perspective of the same formula.

The book argues that there was a trend towards higher inequality which was reversed between 1930 and 1975 due to unique circumstances: the two world wars, the Great Depression and a debt-fueled recession destroyed much wealth, particularly that owned by the elite. These events prompted governments to undertake steps towards redistributing income, especially in the post-World War II period. The fast, worldwide economic growth of that time began to reduce the importance of inherited wealth in the global economy.

The book argues that the world today is returning towards "patrimonial capitalism", in which much of the economy is dominated by inherited wealth: the power of this economic class is increasing, threatening to create an oligarchy. Piketty cites novels by Honoré de Balzac, Jane Austen and Henry James to describe the rigid class structure based on accumulated capital that existed in England and France in the early 1800s.

Of course it's economics so open to criticisms and interpretations, but tell me the world we live in is not more and more like the bolded part.

[entruil]

http://i.imgur.com/PB9Zqli.jpg

[Lojik]

Who here thinks that paris hilton works more than the regular janitor in the US ..? you have to be retarded to think "you just have to work a lot to get rich".

This:

http://i.imgur.com/6T8KPRX.png

is not communism. Nobody wants wealth equality. Everybody just thinks that you should be able to work any job 35, 40, 45 hours a week and live a decent life. If you think someone who's already working 3 part time jobs for 80 hours a week and can't make ends meet is not working enough, well, i'm sorry but you're just blind.

you guys should try to read that if you have the courage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

written by a french :D



Of course it's economics so open to criticisms and interpretations, but tell me the world we live in is not more and more like the bolded part.

People want good parts of competition (lower prices on goods paid, more goods available) but want to be made immune to bad parts (I could get fired?! Someone else will work for cheaper?) Politicians have basically been exploiting this fact for years, and yet the only people who ever have to pay for it are the middle class and the poor. There's so many tax breaks and loopholes for people who can afford good accountants/lawyers that it's a joke. Corporate tax rates are high, but that just means we incorporate overseas and pay no taxes. Oh apple has to pay $17B in taxes to the EU? Good thing they'll be able to write off that amount on American taxes.

I'm rambling. Basically the gist is that you can put in all these laws but they'll still find loopholes to screw the American public because the 1% is who is in power, and we always get the same old type of people in congress and the govt. I think the crux of the matter is that Americans (and I'm sure other western countries) have some seriously ingrained societal habits that we have to break in order to stop electing the same old retards (from either party) whose only job is to decide the best position to fuck us in.

[JurisDictum]

I actually don't like the idea of corporate tax. I think it would be better to tax rich individuals personal income. This doesn't drive up the cost of business.

I'd say its pretty obvious why we have much higher corporate tax than capital gains tax. The same reason the wealthy use their corporate expense accounts for personal reasons.

[AzzarTheGod]

I like how people think huge multi-national corporations like they have their best interest at heart...and I can go on with the reverse strawman but I'm not going to.

Talking about government like its a monolithic entity with an agenda of its own just advertises your own brainwashing. The government is not one person, one agency, one anything.

The countries with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality don't use our system, "liberal market economy." They use systems like democratic socialist and corporatism. The jury is out, our system inflates the top one percent until were in the streets like those BLM people. Our entire system is predicated on keeping labor cheap. We aren't -- and never were -- a free market. We don't subject the elites in this country to "market discipline," only the rest of us.

The government is a tool that people in lower classes need to learn to use. Rather than adopting your defeatist attitude. News flash -- there's more of us than them. I'm not suggesting the 1% pay us, I'm suggesting we never let them get as much to begin with moving forward.

Damn this edit is beasting on them. Just getting caught up on this thread.

Lot of bombs being dropped. JurisDictum is going in heavy.

[pgerman]

I like how people think huge multi-national corporations like they have their best interest at heart...and I can go on with the reverse strawman but I'm not going to.

Talking about government like its a monolithic entity with an agenda of its own just advertises your own brainwashing. The government is not one person, one agency, one anything.

The countries with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality don't use our system, "liberal market economy." They use systems like democratic socialist and corporatism. The jury is out, our system inflates the top one percent until were in the streets like those BLM people. Our entire system is predicated on keeping labor cheap. We aren't -- and never were -- a free market. We don't subject the elites in this country to "market discipline," only the rest of us.

The government is a tool that people in lower classes need to learn to use. Rather than adopting your defeatist attitude. News flash -- there's more of us than them. I'm not suggesting the 1% pay us, I'm suggesting we never let them get as much to begin with moving forward.


Federal Government = consolidation of multinational corporation power


Local and state government powers should always exceed those of the Federal government, we are going in the wrong direction on that.

It is VERY hard to individually corrupt many smaller governments, to corrupt a consolidated form of power in which we have now is VERY easy.

So let me break this down for you. I don't care what candidate is what. Or how many lies they tell.

It comes down to a couple simple things.

1. Who will shrink the federal government powers
2. Who will collect LESS taxes thus giving less power to federal government

Everything else on a national level is just hot air. Because both sides are almost identical in actual policy.

The more money you give to the federal government , the more % share of power they have. You basically sell your freedom 1% at a time. Until you are working for the federal government, and they are working for the multi nationals.

Support the power of individual states, and local governments. Don't get caught up in vague arguments from the Feds.
Trust me they don't give a shit about gay rights, or what bathroom anyone uses. They will use any excuse to extract another % of freedom from the public.


They got you distracted with slight of hand. Don't be fooled.

[R Flair]

^very well said

[Lune]

Everything else on a national level is just hot air. Because both sides are almost identical in actual policy.

Not true really, but this is an attractive state of mind because you don't even need to understand or think about issues to have it. Yet it gives the impression that you're edgy and seditious and have 'ascended' beyond normal politics.

No, the world is just not that simple that you can boil it down to a rule like this. There are gigantic practical differences in policy, even when you operate under the assumption that every member of both parties are corrupt corporate puppets.

[R Flair]

^also true, but govt size is a good rule of thumb to start with.

[Csihar]

check this out im bout to leave work early and go surf some tastey waves and then probably fuck my girl in her butt hole while you losers sit on an internet forum for your friday night

Make sure you don't get any poop in the peehole.

[R Flair]

prolly chose the butt hole for lack of an optional hole

[Pokesan]

prolly chose the butt hole for lack of an optional hole

this is a dunk.

[JurisDictum]

Federal Government = consolidation of multinational corporation power


Local and state government powers should always exceed those of the Federal government, we are going in the wrong direction on that.

It is VERY hard to individually corrupt many smaller governments, to corrupt a consolidated form of power in which we have now is VERY easy.

So let me break this down for you. I don't care what candidate is what. Or how many lies they tell.

It comes down to a couple simple things.

1. Who will shrink the federal government powers
2. Who will collect LESS taxes thus giving less power to federal government

Everything else on a national level is just hot air. Because both sides are almost identical in actual policy.

The more money you give to the federal government , the more % share of power they have. You basically sell your freedom 1% at a time. Until you are working for the federal government, and they are working for the multi nationals.

Support the power of individual states, and local governments. Don't get caught up in vague arguments from the Feds.
Trust me they don't give a shit about gay rights, or what bathroom anyone uses. They will use any excuse to extract another % of freedom from the public.


They got you distracted with slight of hand. Don't be fooled.

Accountability at a state and local level is far below that of the national level. There is a complete lack of voter interest in anything below a gubernatorial election. The turn out for local level elections is something like 20% at HIGHEST. Government corruption at the city level is famously common.

There are no examples of any country with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality that use our decentralised system. As far as I can see, this system works great for a divide and conquer strategy by large corporations. It creates a "race to the bottom," where states and municipalities are competing with each other to offer the most subsidies and tax breaks to potential "job creators." It's pretty common for them to use up their subsidy package and then move on to the next state.

Ask Daywolf how happy he is with that super accountable state government in California*. Where the Democratic party is the only game in town -- so you get rich assholes like Gavin Newsom running the show. Watch that dumbass try to stand up to a guy that barely graduated high school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns (Adam Carolla)

I'm not going to get into to Republican state corruption unless someone implies it isn't there.

Look, states made sense in the 1800s. People in each state had a lot more in common then, and the federal government wasn't nearly as accountable as it is now. When we were using horses for travel I don't think I would have been a big fan of federal government. And it is not that I'm a "big fan" now, its just that I recognize that it is the only tool powerful enough to actually stand up to elites. And we know the sword can cut both ways...we just need the right wing to know that too.

*for some reason I think Daywolf is from CA, I can't remember why and don't want to take the time to confirm.

Edit: There is no "individual" in control of the U.S. government. All a president can do is try to get CONGRESS (535 people all over the country) to pass a law. That law must be upheld by 9 Justices. It is far easier to prevent something from happening in our government than it is to make something happen. That's the way it is designed.

[Nibblewitz]

JD, you are not only barking up the wrong tree but you gotta keep those posts short and sweet; their soundbite brains can't comprehend.

[Jarnauga]

Accountability at a state and local level is far below that of the national level. There is a complete lack of voter interest in anything below a gubernatorial election. The turn out for local level elections is something like 20% at HIGHEST. Government corruption at the city level is famously common.

There are no examples of any country with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality that use our decentralised system. As far as I can see, this system works great for a divide and conquer strategy by large corporations. It creates a "race to the bottom," where states and municipalities are competing with each other to offer the most subsidies and tax breaks to potential "job creators." It's pretty common for them to use up their subsidy package and then move on to the next state.

Ask Daywolf how happy he is with that super accountable state government in California*. Where the Democratic party is the only game in town -- so you get rich assholes like Gavin Newsom running the show. Watch that dumbass try to stand up to a guy that barely graduated high school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns (Adam Carolla)

I'm not going to get into to Republican state corruption unless someone implies it isn't there.

Look, states made sense in the 1800s. People in each state had a lot more in common then, and the federal government wasn't nearly as accountable as it is now. When we were using horses for travel I don't think I would have been a big fan of federal government. And it is not that I'm a "big fan" now, its just that I recognize that it is the only tool powerful enough to actually stand up to elites. And we know the sword can cut both ways...we just need the right wing to know that too.

*for some reason I think Daywolf is from CA, I can't remember why and don't want to take the time to confirm.

Edit: There is no "individual" in control of the U.S. government. All a president can do is try to get CONGRESS (535 people all over the country) to pass a law. That law must be upheld by 9 Justices. It is far easier to prevent something from happening in our government than it is to make something happen. That's the way it is designed.

Keep talking like that and they'll say you're either muslim, jew or black (from experience :D )

[pgerman]

Accountability at a state and local level is far below that of the national level. There is a complete lack of voter interest in anything below a gubernatorial election. The turn out for local level elections is something like 20% at HIGHEST. Government corruption at the city level is famously common.

There are no examples of any country with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality that use our decentralised system. As far as I can see, this system works great for a divide and conquer strategy by large corporations. It creates a "race to the bottom," where states and municipalities are competing with each other to offer the most subsidies and tax breaks to potential "job creators." It's pretty common for them to use up their subsidy package and then move on to the next state.

Ask Daywolf how happy he is with that super accountable state government in California*. Where the Democratic party is the only game in town -- so you get rich assholes like Gavin Newsom running the show. Watch that dumbass try to stand up to a guy that barely graduated high school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns (Adam Carolla)

I'm not going to get into to Republican state corruption unless someone implies it isn't there.

Look, states made sense in the 1800s. People in each state had a lot more in common then, and the federal government wasn't nearly as accountable as it is now. When we were using horses for travel I don't think I would have been a big fan of federal government. And it is not that I'm a "big fan" now, its just that I recognize that it is the only tool powerful enough to actually stand up to elites. And we know the sword can cut both ways...we just need the right wing to know that too.

*for some reason I think Daywolf is from CA, I can't remember why and don't want to take the time to confirm.

Edit: There is no "individual" in control of the U.S. government. All a president can do is try to get CONGRESS (535 people all over the country) to pass a law. That law must be upheld by 9 Justices. It is far easier to prevent something from happening in our government than it is to make something happen. That's the way it is designed.

Another reply.

All governments are easily corruptible that is true. That is really the point behind no centralized power.
Individual corrupt powers are still divided in their ideas , and have limited power to rape the people.

As soon as you give the federal government 100% control, they have 100% power, and only one source needs to be bought and paid for. Instead of screwing around paying off 50,000 different local officials. They can go straight to Hillary Clinton and get what they need.

You have to assume the worst of humanity, and put road blocks in place to just slow the process of corruption down. You will never stop it.

The worst places on the planet, are where human governments have existed the longest. The USA is still young, and the deathgrip on its people is not set in stone yet.

[AzzarTheGod]

this is a dunk.

cosigned and underwritten; ATG Esq.

[Lune]

The worst places on the planet, are where human governments have existed the longest. The USA is still young, and the deathgrip on its people is not set in stone yet.

I bet this dope actually thinks the USA is the best place to live

[Daywolf]

This dope actually thinks the USA is the best place to live
In modern times pretty much, at least outside of democrat controlled cities. For ancient times, many historians tend to agree on 2nd century roman empire. I guess it depends on your value of freedom and clean drinking water. Or maybe you were thinking modern Africa, though they don't have any socialist healthcare, since even the flies will kill your ass.

[R Flair]

Of course its the best place to live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOhDFCcmgvY)... if you care about freedom and liberty and not just sitting in your basement playing EverQuest.

[Lune]

I watch merger after merger after merger happening at a quickening pace over the last 10-15 years. Every industry is quickly being conglomerated into as few as 1-3 entities, eliminating competition and fucking over consumers, small businesses, and labor. Even fiscal conservatives and trickle down dipshits will admit that monopolies are antithetic to fair and prosperous free market capitalism, and that the free market has no natural resolution for monopolies.

And yet the only entity capable of trust-busting activity, of shattering these monopolies and ensuring fair and healthy competition, is a strong federal government. Maybe you should pick up a history book and read about what capitalism was like before the government began actively breaking up monopolies, and why we're in a state of crisis precisely because our government is no longer doing this.

[Lune]

Of course its the best place to live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOhDFCcmgvY)... if you care about freedom and liberty and not just sitting in your basement playing EverQuest.

Please don't tell me you actually watched that and were convinced by his outright lies, trying to portray Canada as a repressive police state with no freedumbs. He fails to mention the systematic denial of abortion rights and our ironfisted handle on the rights associated with unionization, acting like the USA is some beacon for freedom. Good lord.

His argument about our poor life expectancy being caused by our freedom and prosperity is similarly retarded. Is he actually claiming people in Germany, England, Sweden, Japan, even fucking Russia, don't have economic access to become gluttons?

None of the examples he cherrypicks to make these other countries look bad refutes the central point that they enjoy superior social mobility, aggregate human capital, health, and happiness.

Holy shit as I continue to watch this video I am embarrassed for you, that somebody could watch this and lack the critical thinking to see how much of it is outright false:

"The Chinese government determines the life trajectory of its citizens at birth based on their genetics and personal proclivities"

Do you actually believe this shit?

[Nihilist_santa]

ITT Lune is taking no shit.

http://i.imgur.com/x2AlW9r.gif

[R Flair]

Do you actually believe this shit?

Yep. Our life expectancy is directly related to our wealth and abundance which allow us to make choices which may adversely affect our health.

Feel free to pretend what he said isn't mostly demonstrably true but all you're actually doing is showing your aversion to facts, reason and logic.

[R Flair]

ITT Lune is taking no shit.

http://i.imgur.com/x2AlW9r.gif

ITT hitler-worshipper brings his anger and butthurt from another thread over here.

[Lojik]

I watch merger after merger after merger happening at a quickening pace over the last 10-15 years. Every industry is quickly being conglomerated into as few as 1-3 entities, eliminating competition and fucking over consumers, small businesses, and labor. Even fiscal conservatives and trickle down dipshits will admit that monopolies are antithetic to fair and prosperous free market capitalism, and that the free market has no natural resolution for monopolies.

And yet the only entity capable of trust-busting activity, of shattering these monopolies and ensuring fair and healthy competition, is a strong federal government. Maybe you should pick up a history book and read about what capitalism was like before the government began actively breaking up monopolies, and why we're in a state of crisis precisely because our government is no longer doing this.

The problem isn't a natural monopoly, but rather when monopolies are protected by government, or when regulation favors big old companies. As companies become bigger, they have more clout with politicians and are able to lobby for regulations that are a hindrance to potential startup firms, artificially increasing barrier to entries and this also means that they have less of an incentive to innovate in industry and simply become rent seekers.

One can look at alcoa and standard oil examples where these companies were convicted of monopoly practices, yet production increased every year up until that point and prices dropped every year as well, hardly the behavior you'd expect from a predatory monopoly. An angle you can look at is if the effects they had on the environment were detrimental and going unchecked I guess.

[Jarnauga]

TIL only USA has freedom

time to repost this i guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4r7hIWln7Q

[R Flair]

Ya, the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOhDFCcmgvY) I linked actually addressed that video showing it to be mostly self-loathing emotion-driven bias, misinformation and outright debunked myths.

[Jarnauga]

Ya, the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOhDFCcmgvY) I linked actually addressed that video showing it to be mostly self-loathing emotion-driven bias, misinformation and outright debunked myths.

Haha guess what, i didnt even click it since i was sure it was a breitbart article or something of that kind

i wasn't wrong

[R Flair]

My video absolutely smashed yours. Sorry.

[Jarnauga]

USA have speeding limits, germany don't

so USA is a dictatorship because you're not free to drive as fast as you want

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jarnauga]

Age of consent is 16 (at least) in the USA

14 in Portugal

USA is a dictatorship

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jarnauga]

i had my first sip of wine when i was 13

Can't drink until 21 in the USA

Muh freedom > yours

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[R Flair]

USA have speeding limits, germany don't

so USA is a dictatorship because you're not free to drive as fast as you want

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That is funny, but there is truth to that. As far as most people are concerned, freedom only matters as far as its application in their lives and lifestyle.

To someone who only wants to drive fast, eat wienerschnitzel, and watch netflix and has no other ambitions in life, Germany's freedom is superior to any other in that respect.

In that way, its a matter of perspective as to what country is the "best".

[pgerman]

I bet this dope actually thinks the USA is the best place to live

I can name a few places that are without a doubt worst.

1. Africa (oldest human civilizations) now the most corrupt and worst countries to live.

2. Asia (the 2nd oldest civilizations) pretty much trash all around, out of control disease and poverty . Singapore being the exception. Easily governed and controlled because of its small size and new government. Still no opportunity for middle class in Singapore though. It is pretty nice if your rich . Tax advantages are crazy.

3. Europe. ( a mix of old and new) which shows. Most of the high standard of living countries are extremely protectionist and have a population about equal or less than just the state of California.


The only other country I would even seriously consider living/working in would be Australia.
Good weather, jobs, high standard of living. Lots of space.





Now if your talking about , nice places. That is different. Most nice places in the world don't have enough infrastructure to support an actual economy above tourism, so its kind of pointless to even consider as a permanent residence.


Before you ask, yes. I have actually traveled all around the world, and lived in many different places. I have seen first hand, what the rest of the "beautiful" world really is.


In conclusion, what great paradise would you rather live? Since your so full of ideas on how bad the USA sucks lol.

[R Flair]

i had my first sip of wine when i was 13

Can't drink until 21 in the USA

Muh freedom > yours

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You can drink alcohol at any age in the US, permitted accompanied by parent or legal guardian. You just can't buy it.

[Ahldagor]

You can drink alcohol at any age in the US, permitted accompanied by parent or legal guardian. You just can't buy it.

Depends on the state, but usually the estaishment's standards.

[Alarti0001]

I watch merger after merger after merger happening at a quickening pace over the last 10-15 years. Every industry is quickly being conglomerated into as few as 1-3 entities, eliminating competition and fucking over consumers, small businesses, and labor. Even fiscal conservatives and trickle down dipshits will admit that monopolies are antithetic to fair and prosperous free market capitalism, and that the free market has no natural resolution for monopolies.

And yet the only entity capable of trust-busting activity, of shattering these monopolies and ensuring fair and healthy competition, is a strong federal government. Maybe you should pick up a history book and read about what capitalism was like before the government began actively breaking up monopolies, and why we're in a state of crisis precisely because our government is no longer doing this.

http://imgur.com/a/ejtFV

[Alarti0001]

I can name a few places that are without a doubt worst.

1. Africa (oldest human civilizations) now the most corrupt and worst countries to live.

2. Asia (the 2nd oldest civilizations) pretty much trash all around, out of control disease and poverty . Singapore being the exception. Easily governed and controlled because of its small size and new government. Still no opportunity for middle class in Singapore though. It is pretty nice if your rich . Tax advantages are crazy.

3. Europe. ( a mix of old and new) which shows. Most of the high standard of living countries are extremely protectionist and have a population about equal or less than just the state of California.


The only other country I would even seriously consider living/working in would be Australia.
Good weather, jobs, high standard of living. Lots of space.





Now if your talking about , nice places. That is different. Most nice places in the world don't have enough infrastructure to support an actual economy above tourism, so its kind of pointless to even consider as a permanent residence.


Before you ask, yes. I have actually traveled all around the world, and lived in many different places. I have seen first hand, what the rest of the "beautiful" world really is.


In conclusion, what great paradise would you rather live? Since your so full of ideas on how bad the USA sucks lol.

It's easy to name places where life is better than the U.S. I think most people who realize this rather just make the US better instead. This is a difficult concept for you?

[Angushjalmur]

Anyone man who doesnt support trump is a low T cuck with pegging fantasies.

Anyone who makes false claims about Trump (like OP) is clearly a communist, racist, sexist, homophobic terrorist who hates america

[Jarnauga]

You ever work for a poor person? Fact : Wealthy people create jobs more than the middle class.

Jobs are created because there's a need for a production or a service.

Remember Ford and 5$/day ? He understood that his workforce were also customers. Of course now when you pay someone a wage slave and then complain about the economy..

[entruil]

Right now the interest rate on government bonds is so low in the USA that it makes sense to have budget deficits if the borrowed money is used to improve infrastructure and fund more research, because these things can add a lot of future value (e.g., DARPA--> Internet). Similarly, businesses often take loans to expand and modernize.

If interest rates are increased, the budget can be balanced by restoring marginal tax rates to what they were in the (Bill) Clinton administration. At those rates we were on the road to "surpluses as far as the eye can see" - and then GWB cut top marginal rates so as to produce large deficits again and make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

I personally have never felt over-taxed by the federal government. Sales taxes (up around 8% where I live) bother me more, but I can afford them too. Minor inefficiencies of government don't bother me much either. Having worked for a large company (GE) I know that to be inefficient is part of the human condition, and in for-profit companies there is always corruption as well.

lmao... wtf....

'the assumption is made that the government owns you and controls 100% of your income. It then lets you keep a certain percentage if you follow their rules.' - RP

[Nihilist_santa]

lmao... wtf....

'the assumption is made that the government owns you and controls 100% of your income. It then lets you keep a certain percentage if you follow their rules.' - RP

Meh Ron Paul was another Bernie Sanders. So glad he decided to give up and go back to congress ....

"Of the 620 bills that Paul had sponsored through December 2011, over a period of more than 22 years in Congress, only one had been signed into law – a lifetime success rate of less than 0.3%.[60] The sole measure authored by Paul that was ultimately enacted allowed for a federal customhouse to be sold to a local historic preservation society (H.R. 2121 in 2009"

[sOurDieSel]

What good is money if you don't have a country. Most people don't mind paying taxes as long as those taxes are spent to benefit them. Importing millions of 3rd worlders doesn't benefit most Americans. Immigration and the resulting demographic displacement is the most important issue of this election, not how many shekels you get you keep.

[entruil]

Meh Ron Paul was another Bernie Sanders. So glad he decided to give up and go back to congress ....

"Of the 620 bills that Paul had sponsored through December 2011, over a period of more than 22 years in Congress, only one had been signed into law – a lifetime success rate of less than 0.3%.[60] The sole measure authored by Paul that was ultimately enacted allowed for a federal customhouse to be sold to a local historic preservation society (H.R. 2121 in 2009"

I don't think how many bills he got enacted is an accurate measure of RP...

I know everyone here are pretty much Positivists... and congress has been just about all positivists for a long time...

Sorry guys gravity is hurting too many people we are going to outlaw it pulling people down... *changes measuring tools and standards for gravity* "Look we saved the day"

*If you would like to refer to RP as "roleplaying" then we have a different conversation of puppeteers and the like... but... meh

[big_ole_jpn]

Meh Ron Paul was another Bernie Sanders. So glad he decided to give up and go back to congress ....

"Of the 620 bills that Paul had sponsored through December 2011, over a period of more than 22 years in Congress, only one had been signed into law – a lifetime success rate of less than 0.3%.[60] The sole measure authored by Paul that was ultimately enacted allowed for a federal customhouse to be sold to a local historic preservation society (H.R. 2121 in 2009"

named his son Rand