Vaniki Proc Missing

[Daldaen]

I don't know how this server had Velious for over a year and people never reported this.

Vaniki is supposed to proc a 500 point DD extremely frequently:

Allakhazam 2001 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6510&p=2#comments)

killed him tonight, he hits for 230ish flurries a lot. procs 500 lifetap about every round if not more than once a round. he's a necro, gated at about 5% health. had 40% instantly heh. dunno about regen cause mobs always get some health back on gating, plus he summoned and slaughterd some people on the way back...about 50 feet hehe...so im sure he sucked a few thousand hp from them too. long fight...mean rat...love my willsapper=)

Fattus

Some logs from EQMac:

[Sat Jan 22 01:40:53 2011] Vaniki says 'Waniki so vi no takarika Vaniki. Who shall fall next to Vaniki?'
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:53 2011] Tildaen writhes in agony.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:53 2011] Tildaen has been slain by Vaniki!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:54 2011] Wemsler begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:55 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:55 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:55 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:55 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:55 2011] Vaniki tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:55 2011] a magi construct begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:56 2011] You try to pierce Vaniki, but Vaniki dodges!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:56 2011] Neea tells the group, 'crap'
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki executes a FLURRY of attacks on Zorblak!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] The shield fades away.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] You tell your party, 'I don't have the mana to burn him down...'
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 112 points of damage.
Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 150 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 81 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:57 2011] Vaniki tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki says 'You will not evade me Zorblak!'
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] You have been summoned!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] A Chelaki blisters in the flames of Summer.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki executes a FLURRY of attacks on Zorblak!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 210 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 141 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:40:58 2011] You cannot see your target.
Sat Jan 22 01:40:59 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 107 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] A Chelaki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] a Chelaki has been slain by Wemsler!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Your faction standing with Chetari could not possibly get any worse.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Your faction standing with Zlandicar could not possibly get any worse.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] Your faction standing with Paebala got better.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:00 2011] You gain party experience!!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:01 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:01 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:02 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:03 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki says 'You will not evade me Zorblak!'
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] You have been summoned!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 201 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 115 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:04 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:05 2011] Neea begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:05 2011] Wemsler begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:06 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:06 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:07 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:07 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:07 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:07 2011] You feel your soul being consumed. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:08 2011] You have been healed for 3463 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:08 2011] You channel a supernal light.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:08 2011] You cannot see your target.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:09 2011] You have been healed for 2414 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:09 2011] You are infused with the power of nature.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:09 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:10 2011] Vaniki says 'You will not evade me Zorblak!'
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:10 2011] You have been summoned!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:10 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:10 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:10 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:11 2011] You pierce Vaniki for 5 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:11 2011] Tildaen tells the group, 'that's all she wrote for me =P'
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:11 2011] You tell your party, 'Evac?'
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:12 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:12 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:12 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:12 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 89 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:12 2011] Vaniki tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:12 2011] Vaniki tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:13 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:14 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:14 2011] Vaniki tries to pierce YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:14 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:14 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:14 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 89 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:14 2011] Vaniki tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:15 2011] a magi construct begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] You try to pierce Vaniki, but Vaniki dodges!
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki pierces YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Vaniki hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Wemsler begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Wemsler creates a mystic portal.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:16 2011] Neea creates a mystic portal.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:17 2011] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:21 2011] Neea is now the leader of your group.
[Sat Jan 22 01:41:31 2011] You have entered Dragon Necropolis.

12 connected Hits,
8 connected pierces

8 Lifetaps out of 20 connected swings, setting it to 40-50% Proc rate sounds about right.

[eisley]

I think the 500 tap proc was added to vaniki around the same time the slow was nerfed from 50% to 35%.

this is purely from memory, but I do remember being pretty shocked when the proc was added. I think perhaps they were upset about people killing it with low numbers and just threw their "anti-small group solution" slapped onto it. aka: lifetap procs.

But taking into account everything about this mob (low max hit, doesnt quad, drops really good item) it certainly seems possible that it was always intended to have the proc. I wholeheartedly support this change.

[Raev]

That message looks more like the Efreeti's nuke than a lifetap.

A 500 point lifetap that procs that often would make her pretty tough to kill.

[eisley]

correct, it's not a lifetap, its an unresistable DD.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=995

[Daldaen]

Derp! Yes I mistakenly wrote Lifetap, it is in fact not a Lifetap just an Unresistable DD. Otherwise Vaniki would give off the "ahh I feel better" message in the logs.

[Erati]

looks like the proc the Hand of Veeshan has /agree

[Ele]

Could have sworn he proc'd during beta.

[nilbog]

Fixed, pending update

[Daldaen]

Fixed, pending update

<3.

This is such a good fix. Having a mob proc a 500 Unresistable DD every 2nd/3rd hit is game changer on this mob.

[SpinFin]

Not sure if this merits a separate thread but 2 additional comments.

Vaniki should corpse camp those that it kills. I believe currently it paths back after a short time.

The Willsapper item should not drop every time. It is marked as Very Rare on ZAM.

Currently the Willsapper appears to be under the same code as the Vaniki Heart, which should and is dropping everytime (ZAM: Common )

[Ele]

The Willsapper item should not drop every time. It is marked as Very Rare on ZAM.

Currently the Willsapper appears to be under the same code as the Vaniki Heart, which should and is dropping everytime (ZAM: Common )

Do you have any evidence/comments saying someone killed him without the Willsapper dropping?

The "Rarity" tag doesn't necessarily reflect the % chance of dropping. You'll notice Vaniki's Heart has a "level to attain" of "55" versus the "60" for Willsapper. Part of Willsapper being "very rare" is the wacky spawn time of Vaniki and desirability of it.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3949
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=22809


July 2001 Comment on Zam
He spawns about every 4 days realtime. Always has the Willsapper. Its stats are now:
mag/lor/nd
13/20
9ac 35hp
Energy Sap - 35% Slow
1.9 WT
Primary only, same class/race allowances.

Magelo lists a drop rate of 100% for both items. (Granted the entry date on the modern site is 2011)
http://eq.magelo.com/npc/420232

[Moosetoe]

Not sure if this merits a separate thread but 2 additional comments.

Vaniki should corpse camp those that it kills. I believe currently it paths back after a short time.

The Willsapper item should not drop every time. It is marked as Very Rare on ZAM.

Currently the Willsapper appears to be under the same code as the Vaniki Heart, which should and is dropping everytime (ZAM: Common )

I have been unable to find any evidence to indicate anything short of him dropping the Willsapper 100% of the time.

[Moosetoe]

Also, reading through the two pages on Allakhazam, there are many posts detailing every little bit of the fight and what he does including the Willsapper procs, the couple spells he repeatedly tries to cast on you, his amount of hitpoints, when he gates, how hard he hits, how many hitpoints he has, etc... It's curious to me that only two posts reference the supposed 500 DD, only one of those two posts was what I would consider a detailed accounting of the encounter. Nonetheless, of the many, many posts detailing the encounter, most comment on how incredibly easy he is, and I find it nearly impossible that so many obviously detail-oriented posters would neglect the fact, or simply not notice, that HE JUST SO HAPPENS TO HAVE A 400 DAMAGE-PER-SECOND PROC.

Not sure if that's really sufficient "proof" that he's supposed to have that proc, and just because it's detailed in that EQMac parse from 2011 doesn't mean it was implemented during the original Velious timeline as there were many things on EQMac that weren't "classic."

[SpinFin]

If the "Rarity" category has no correlation to drop rate for items; then I retract my Willsapper drop rate adjustment proposal and apologize. I have no additional reference material at this time concerning that detail.

[Daldaen]

The detailed EQMac parse corroborates the in-era posts confirming a 500 point proc.

Spin this as much as you'd like but it is a classic mechanic.

EQClerics August 2001 (http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10885)

1. Don't believe he can be slowed
2. Has a Flurry disc that he uses, alot
3. 500pt lifetap that he uses, alot
4. He sees sneak and invis.
5. and by far the worst, he gates.

But Nilbog already made this classic so all is right in the verse.

[Loke]

The detailed EQMac parse corroborates the in-era posts confirming a 500 point proc.

Spin this as much as you'd like but it is a classic mechanic.

EQClerics August 2001 (http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10885)



But Nilbog already made this classic so all is right in the verse.

So the only evidence for this change is an incorrect era parse from EQmac, and an in era post that incorrectly identifies the proc as a life tap? Neither of those sources independently provides accurate information, and I don't really think it takes much spin to at least raise questions about their accuracy together.

[Daldaen]

And 2 posts on Allakhazam about a 500 point DD proc.

And I'm sure more information could be found. But Nilbog understands that EQMac is the most classic source of information in recent memory and it jives with three independent posts all identifying it as a frequently cast/proc'd 500 point direct damage spell.