Trump Forced to Walk Back Birtherism

[JurisDictum]

After briefly flirting with the idea of continuing birtherism, Trump finally admitted he thinks Obama was born here.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-punks-media-228310

“It's hard to imagine this as anything other than a political Rick-roll,” CNN anchor Jake Tapper vented on air after Trump’s hotel event. His colleague John King followed up with, “We just got played.”

Only after that extended infomercial did Trump deliver the goods — a speedy statement that Obama was indeed born in the United States, coupled with a blatantly false accusation that Hillary Clinton started the conspiracy to begin with.

The media got punked.

“It's hard to imagine this as anything other than a political Rick-roll,” CNN anchor Jake Tapper vented on air after Trump’s hotel event. His colleague John King followed up with, “We just got played.”

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Of course now the Fox line is going to be about how Clinton started it all. In a very vague since, she was the first to question his background (background not birth certificate). Some of her surrogates were more bold -- but she's Hillary Clinton -- she has a lot of surrogates. Not to mention they were mostly in a blind panic because Clinton was unexpectedly losing from some green politician out of no where.

This is the alt right site I came across when looking it up: http://www.dailywire.com/news/9200/hillary-invented-birtherism-11-things-media-wont-john-nolte

If you read the facts and ignore the tone, not even this propaganda job says anything truly damning. Clinton fired those caught race-baiting, and never once said a conclusive statement that he wasn't born here or that there was reason to doubt him. They linked a Chris Matthews clip....IDK WTF was going on with Matthews at the time, but I remember in 2008 the guy was a massive Obama fanatic. He made it his personal mission to tear down Clinton as much as possible after Obama's Victory in Iwoa. If you want to see Matthews at his most dishonest -- check out the clip.

Meanwhile Trump's entire presidential bid in 2012 was based on birtherism... But It was cleaver to bring up the Clinton thing. His campaign has obviously put a lot of thought into it.

Edit: I didn't realize they did such an annoying fucking edit job on that clip. It must be something with the mopes that normally read this shit.

[Daywolf]

http://i.imgur.com/BXWBFPc.png?

[Daywolf]

It is kinda funny, Trump got a first class troll in and you're in meltdown mode. Actual birthers been silent for years, damage was already done by this potus, he's out soon. HRC was in on it too, just like you said. HRC in meltdown, likely take another poll hit to king troll Trump, Pras.

[Ahldagor]

You don't know what a melt-down is Daywolf. You okay tho'? Your logic lines are skewed from your normal ones.

[maskedmelon]

Well, I for one am super pleased that we finally have resolution to this VERY important issue ^^ I am mildly annoyed though that he has misled me all this time... :c

[sOurDieSel]

We all know Obama is a muslim from kenya. Can't believe people still trying to deny it.

[R Flair]

Obola himself had stuff published that said he was from Kenya. Of course, its believed that he originally did that to hide the fact that his real father was a soviet agent and communist pornographer named Frank Marshall Davis.

Either way, that troll on the media was totally Bannon. He knew that Hillary was the original birther, so he had Trump use that topic to draw them in, promote himself, and then when CNN got literally and quite visibly pissed they dug deeper into this topic to find more dirt on Trump and found that Hillary was actually the original birther.

Double troll.

[JurisDictum]

I keep bringing this up because I think its the main reason he is going to lose. It's like when the old southern Democrats (now Republicans) got all defensive when people suggested "states rights" was a racist rallying call.

Playing stupid and/or like the victim of the media only works for so long.

By the way guys...you don't seriously think Hillary Clinton herself was sitting around sipping tea and came up with the birther shit herself...do you? This is the work of political operatives that have been exploiting the values of the working class their whole career.

The reality is that Hillary briefly flirted with it, but she never publicly embarrassed any theory about Obama not being born in the US. Trump did, repeatedly. Pawning this off on Clinton probably wont work in the long run.

This is important issue, in the sense that there is a very good chance this could make the difference between a Trump victory or defeat. No one thing has given him the "racist" label, but any kind of defense he comes up with has to include why he was spearheading birtherism for months as his primary campaign issue.

Edit: 72 percent of registered Republican voters still hold doubts about the President’s citizenship, even as his second term in office enters its final months. < http://www.salon.com/2016/08/11/trumps-birtherism-is-now-republican-gospel-72-percent-of-gop-voters-still-doubt-president-obamas-citizenship/ >

The isn't going to die.... I would love to talk about real issues. This country is too stupid for that ATM. You Trump supporters forgot that's the only reason your candidate has a chance in the first place.

[R Flair]

Of course republicans (informed citizens) still have doubts about Obola's citizenship, he LITERALLY published material saying he was BORN IN KENYA. You obviously aren't paying attention.

http://imgur.com/SBxqSCA.jpg
http://imgur.com/7TuDaN0.jpg

Try to catch up here.

Sidney Blumenthal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Blumenthal), Hillary's senior advisor and confidant, pushed this story on the numerous press outlets during her 2008 campaign.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-adviser-sid-blumenthal-spread-birther-story-editor/

[sOurDieSel]

You are pretty much advocating for Trump to cuckout. That hasn't worked, it will never work. That is what got us here in the first place. We are currently witnessing a divide in this country. People are having to choose a side. There is no middle ground. You either want to Make America Great Again or turn it into a 3rd world cesspool.

lawlz @ salon link

[JurisDictum]

Of course republicans (informed citizens) still have doubts about Obola's citizenship, he LITERALLY published material saying he was BORN IN KENYA. You obviously aren't paying attention.

http://imgur.com/SBxqSCA.jpg
http://imgur.com/7TuDaN0.jpg

Try to catch up here.

Sidney Blumenthal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Blumenthal), Hillary's senior advisor and confidant, pushed this story on the numerous press outlets during her 2008 campaign.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-adviser-sid-blumenthal-spread-birther-story-editor/

"Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961."

That's the disclaimer Breitbart wrote before posting that. The woman who made that booklet just assumed he was born in Kenya without fact-checking...probably because she thought it sounded better to the audience she was designing the booklet for. She didn't have any evidence he was born in Kenya; and a long time before Obama was running for president, she said it was her mistake. There was a NYT article the year before that correctly identified him as born in Hawaii.

I guess your forgetting that we do -- in reality -- have his birth certificate. The burden of prof is on you guys to prove its fake.

You guys do know he could still be president if he was born in Kenya....right? He never lied about that, and never had a reason to. And considering the kind of people that want dirt on Obama....we would have found something by now.

[R Flair]

You seem to be approaching this from the angle that we believe the record to be false or even care about this any longer. Most of us don't believe because we know what he was hiding now and we don't care because he has already served his 8 years and its now entirely irrelevant. Its also irrelevant because, as you said, he would still be eligible for presidency.

The point is only that there are good reasons why some people believed or still believe that he was actually born in Kenya - because HE said he was and if you actually think those things were printed in multiple places due to oversight, you have forfeited your objectivity.

[JurisDictum]

You seem to be approaching this from the angle that we believe the record to be false or even care about this any longer. Most of us don't believe because we know what he was hiding now and we don't care because he has already served his 8 years and its now entirely irrelevant. Its also irrelevant because, as you said, he would still be eligible for presidency.

The point is only that there are good reasons why some people believed or still believe that he was actually born in Kenya - because HE said he was and if you actually think those things were printed in multiple places due to oversight, you have forfeited your objectivity.

No he didn't say he was from Kenya. He denies it, she does, no one is on the record saying he said that. Prove otherwise.

Its not really that big of an oversight for some guest college lecture. No one who went to that thing would think less of him because he was born in Kenya. It's not like a vastly misleading biography or something. If he knew he would have a shot at being president some day -- it would have been a bigger deal.

Edit: I appeciate you guys want to put this behind you -- now that you know its a losing political issue an all. But that's not how politics works. When you fuck up and a say a bunch of bullshit that looks stupid 2 years later -- the other side brings it up. That's how this works.

[Angushjalmur]

Trump: he's man enough to admit when he's wrong.


He doesn't blame brain damage or pheumonia

[JurisDictum]

Trump: he's man enough to admit when he's wrong.



No he is not. It's a well known weakness he has. Narcissists view people that disagree with them as an enemy out to get them. Luckily, they also tend to view their kids as extensions to themselves. So at least Ivanka can influence him here and there.

[Angushjalmur]

No he is not. It's a well known weakness he has. Narcissists view people that disagree with them as an enemy out to get them. Luckily, they also tend to view their kids as extensions to themselves. So at least Ivanka can influence him here and there.

The thread is concerning him admitting that he was wrong.

Speaking of narcissism, hillary just called millions of americans all sorts of 'ists' for disagreeing with her

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"Pepe!"

[R Flair]

No he didn't say he was from Kenya. He denies it, she does, no one is on the record saying he said that. Prove otherwise.


Again, if you actually believe it was printed about him without his knowledge and approval, it only proves you've forfeited your objectivity on the matter.

If someone I work for or someone that works for me prints something about me, in multiple places, and I don't go through the motions of having it changed and removed immediately, it stands as direct evidence that it was MY words or an accurate statement regarding me.

To suggest otherwise is foolishness and intellectually dishonest.

[Pokesan]

CNN getting exactly what they deserve is wonderful. Trump tricked them into live broadcasting a 30 minute infomercial for him - complete with military endorsements and a tour of his new hotel. News bosses mutually agreed to erase the footage.

They're not mad he lied, they're mad because he made it clear how unimportant and irrelevant they are to him. Whether you like Trump or not, he did a good thing here.

Thinking of birtherism as a race thing is easy and I understand it. But I think it misses the forest for the trees - all Democrat rule has been cast as illegitimate since the Reagan Revolution. Confront this instead of getting stuck in the racism quagmire. Or don't, whatever, I'm not your dad you don't have to listen to me.

Welp, bye.

[Angushjalmur]

Thinking of birtherism as a race thing is easy and I understand it.

It was never about race. Is the fact that Obama has been one of the worst presidents in history also because of his race? Are you saying everything involving Obama is a race thing because he isn't white?

[Pokesan]

It was never about race. Is the fact that Obama has been one of the worst presidents in history also because of his race? Are you saying everything involving Obama is a race thing because he isn't white?


Thinking of birtherism as a race thing is easy and I understand it. But I think it misses the forest for the trees - all Democrat rule has been cast as illegitimate since the Reagan Revolution.


please read better

[Angushjalmur]

But that statement is untrue

Only the ones who have brain damage and are unfit to lead are questions. The rest are criticized, just like every nominee ever

[Pokesan]

But that statement is untrue

Only the ones who have brain damage and are unfit to lead are questions. The rest are criticized, just like every nominee ever


so the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the planned day 1 impeachment of Hillary are what, then?

what about obama getting blamed for the great recession, the market crash that took place before he was even President-Elect?

[entruil]

obama is white and clinton wuz born at an airport(international border crossing) in a test tube(cells arent human)...

obama being worst ever doesnt account for nanny rodham's future reign, he is there to make her look human/sane/rational

the whole thing is deplorable.... ok enough of me... can ignore now

[JurisDictum]

Again, if you actually believe it was printed about him without his knowledge and approval, it only proves you've forfeited your objectivity on the matter.

If someone I work for or someone that works for me prints something about me, in multiple places, and I don't go through the motions of having it changed and removed immediately, it stands as direct evidence that it was MY words or an accurate statement regarding me.

To suggest otherwise is foolishness and intellectually dishonest.

IDK man, there is no evidence anywhere he ever claimed to be from Kenya -- plenty to the contrary. Like every government form or application he ever filled out before he could possibly know he would be president some day. His book says Hawaii -- stories about him say Hawaii -- people that knew him said Hawaii...the person that wrote that pamphlet said she was wrong and he didn't say that to her....

So even if his behavior on the pamphlet was a little out of the ordinary. I still think its far more objective to assume he is from Hawaii.

Now as for if his behavior on the pamphlet was strange...I don't really think so dude. It was 1991 -- shit was a little more sloppy when it came to small time advertising then. Obama has always been a very busy guy -- and frankly it doesn't seem unlikely he didn't pay that close of attention to it. It could also be that he thought it looked decent on the pamphlet and wasn't very misleading.

Either not paying attention to the pamphlet or ignoring it was unimportant seem like vastly more plausible reasons for the print error than the conspiracy theories.

[Angushjalmur]

so the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the planned day 1 impeachment of Hillary are what, then?

Bill Clinton got impeached for fucking up. It's called accountability, and it's something more liberals and democrats need to acquaint themselves with.

Hillary won't get impeached first day for several reasons.

1) She isn't going to get elected. She, like Bernie is a shill. At the last minute, some health issue is going to make her drop out which will lead to either

a) Democrats pushing someone some filthy marxist that no one would otherwise vote for, or
b) Obama declaring martial law and refusing to leave office. He'll have an army of civilians to fight for him, on top of the military. Those fema camps will start being put to use, and World war 3 will be initiated, with Obama forming the 4th reich

2) Trump is going to win, because the more people are voting for him because Hillary is so clearly unelectable.

3) If she does win, voting will have nothing to do with it, and the powers that be wouldn't try to impeach the beast they shoved into office.

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objective to assume

Either not paying attention to the pamphlet or ignoring it was unimportant seem like vastly more plausible reasons for the print error than the conspiracy theories.

double standard?

Bill Clinton got impeached for fucking up.

Bill Clinton was acquitted. The senate did not reach the 2/3's majority needed to fully process his impeachment. Clinton was impeached by the House on two charges. The first being perjury, and the second being obstruction of justice.


congress has no teeth anymore... everyone is all rockstar president minded...

all this shit currently going on is mostly to b blamed on supreme court and congress

[Pokesan]

Bill Clinton got impeached for fucking up. It's called accountability, and it's something more liberals and democrats need to acquaint themselves with.

Hillary won't get impeached first day for several reasons.

1) She isn't going to get elected. She, like Bernie is a shill. At the last minute, some health issue is going to make her drop out which will lead to either

a) Democrats pushing someone some filthy marxist that no one would otherwise vote for, or
b) Obama declaring martial law and refusing to leave office. He'll have an army of civilians to fight for him, on top of the military. Those fema camps will start being put to use, and World war 3 will be initiated, with Obama forming the 4th reich

2) Trump is going to win, because the more people are voting for him because Hillary is so clearly unelectable.

3) If she does win, voting will have nothing to do with it, and the powers that be wouldn't try to impeach the beast they shoved into office.

you're terrible

[Angushjalmur]

Youre uninformed

[JurisDictum]

CNN getting exactly what they deserve is wonderful. Trump tricked them into live broadcasting a 30 minute infomercial for him - complete with military endorsements and a tour of his new hotel. News bosses mutually agreed to erase the footage.

They're not mad he lied, they're mad because he made it clear how unimportant and irrelevant they are to him. Whether you like Trump or not, he did a good thing here.


I actually think Trump has been great for America as long as he doesn't win. Mostly because he has done a great job exposing how corrupt and obsessed with the bottom line the media is. He does it by showing rather than just trying to explain it with rhetoric based in right wing ideology.

In general, Trump has laid the groundwork for a Republican party to be something more than a mouth piece for the wealthy. That is huge. The fundamental problem is small amounts of people using government control and entrench their wealth. I think the populist Republican party in a few decades will be ready to take on this problem with elements of the Democrats.

But that is for another election.

[R Flair]

You admit what has happened is good, but still want crooked hitlary in office despite benghazi, perjury, destruction of evidence, rigging the dnc, pay4play as SoS, selling uranium to russia, being visibly weak and physically unfit to hold office, corrupt CGI which raped Haiti, and a body count surrounding her over 80 people deep?

Somehow I don't believe that you think what Trump has achieved has really been "great for America".

[Daywolf]

You admit what has happened is good, but still want crooked hitlary in office despite benghazi, perjury, destruction of evidence, rigging the dnc, pay4play as SoS, selling uranium to russia, being visibly weak and physically unfit to hold office, corrupt CGI which raped Haiti, and a body count surrounding her over 80 people deep?

Somehow I don't believe that you think what Trump has achieved has really been "great for America".You left out she IS the wall street elite. Though she does it bad, she passed insider information to her son-in-law, which turned out to be bogus and they lost millions. Can't even cheat the 99% with any real success off of her crooked wall street partners :rolleyes: