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NagaPrince
09-16-2016, 08:34 PM
I listened to the character creation screen before I read the 1999 wiki, and I've pestered multiple players and they said it won't matter between buffs and magical equipment by level 51 because you'll be maxed essentially. Yet it seems the best rogues are barbarians rolling str and sta only.

Can some high level rogue just tell me they made the same mistake and I'll be fine? My woodad elf rogue is now level 15, and I put like only 5 points into sta and str, with rest into dexter or agi I think.

Do you think at this point the maximization matters, and I don't actually truly understand why making a barbarian matters so much, besides seeing one rogue with all this armor on. Aesthetically it looks interesting but ridiculous to see a barb rogue with chain on while sneaking or backstabbing.

Crucify these feelings of shame rogue community. Or make it worse and make me reroll...

jolanar
09-17-2016, 09:49 PM
Sounds like you went 5 into each of the melee stats. Not a big deal at all really. But since you are only 15 if you are this bothered by it, now is the time to reroll.

Tupakk
09-17-2016, 09:54 PM
Nobody would know if you hadn't of said something.

But yes with buffs and gear it really doesn't matter much. Get a base of 200 to max whatever stat with buffs.

When you see a SHM just politely ask for SHM love and you will see how awesome they buff.

If it really bugs you reroll. 15 is a day's worth of game time.

Freakish
09-17-2016, 10:16 PM
15 is way more than a day if you're new. I wouldn't worry about it either way. If it really bothers you, go ahead and make a new character. Otherwise just be glad your character isn't a cookie cutter like everyone else.

Cecily
09-17-2016, 10:33 PM
You're fine. Lower STR just means more room for improvement end game.

derpcake
09-18-2016, 02:47 AM
At 15 I would reroll.

Barb is simply the best rogue at any stage of the game.

Rogue: 103 STR / 95 STA / 92 AGI / 80 DEX / 70 WIS / 60 INT / 55 CHA / 30 Bonus Points

vs

Rogue: 65 STR / 65 STA / 105 AGI / 90 DEX / 80 WIS / 75 INT / 75 CHA / 30 Bonus Points

Barbarian stats 38 points higher in STR, 30 higher in STA, while only having 13 less agility and 10 less dexterity, thats 55 free stat points .. matters a ton when starting untwinked, and if spent well will still matter a lot at endgame.

Being to use throwing boulders is awesome also.

Cecily
09-18-2016, 04:04 AM
And look stupid. Stats don't matter on a rogue. Everyone caps STR. The HP difference isn't enough to matter.

Jimjam
09-18-2016, 04:15 AM
Should have put it all in charisma to get best prices while fencing stolen goods. Reroll.

Mud
09-18-2016, 07:03 AM
Play the race you enjoy the most.

RDawg816
09-18-2016, 07:09 AM
And look stupid. Stats don't matter on a rogue. Everyone caps STR. The HP difference isn't enough to matter.
Slam is nice for trying to interrupt casters, but it sounds like you wouldn't like them aesthetically being a rogue. I have had 2 barbarian rogues, a dwarf rogue and currently a halfling rogue. My halfling does just as much damage with his epic as the others did.

I wouldn't let the internet bully you into rerolling. Tough it out, Woody.

jolanar
09-18-2016, 08:21 AM
Keep in mind if you are worried about what you will look like the dark elf illusion mask is easily attainable.

Iksar and Erudite illusions are also common enough although a little pricey. And I think you get a high elf illusion item free when you complete your epic.

wongwong
09-18-2016, 08:38 AM
re-roll a dwarf rogue, max points on dex and the rest on str. thats what I did on mine.
Dex will help your backstabs and other skills level up faster and maybe increase hit rating which has not been proven yet and Str to hit harder.

Barrel Rolls are great and when you get haze panther gear in the future, you will have max str dex unbuffed allowing you to put on resist gear and maintain 255 Str Dex with a shaman buffs for maximum dps.

Alot of people say Dex does not increase hit rating, but I feel it does so no harm in maxing it along with Str.

Dwarfs have great starting str and dex and are short which is good.

Barbarians are too tall and you will find yourself crouching just to get into places sometimes.

Tupakk
09-18-2016, 09:54 AM
Keep in mind if you are worried about what you will look like the dark elf illusion mask is easily attainable.

Iksar and Erudite illusions are also common enough although a little pricey. And I think you get a high elf illusion item free when you complete your epic.

Shit I wish it was free, You have to do the epic 2x to get the high elf mask.

Cecily
09-18-2016, 11:08 AM
re-roll a dwarf rogue, max points on dex and the rest on str. thats what I did on mine.
Dex will help your backstabs and other skills level up faster and maybe increase hit rating which has not been proven yet and Str to hit harder.

Barrel Rolls are great and when you get haze panther gear in the future, you will have max str dex unbuffed allowing you to put on resist gear and maintain 255 Str Dex with a shaman buffs for maximum dps.

Alot of people say Dex does not increase hit rating, but I feel it does so no harm in maxing it along with Str.

Dwarfs have great starting str and dex and are short which is good.

Barbarians are too tall and you will find yourself crouching just to get into places sometimes.

I bolded the useful information in this post. Dex is not a DPS stat. Dex won't "help" your backstabs. It won't improve your hit rate. It's only use for a rogue is to improve proc rate, which is very, very select few cases. It's not worthless, but it's not good enough to focus on raising.

Skew
10-01-2016, 05:01 AM
Real min-maxers would put everything into agi(ac) and dex(prods) as once youre suited and booted in ToV loot you will cap sta and str easily.
If I could re roll I'd put it all into cha for vendors or int for trade skills.

RDawg816
10-01-2016, 07:29 AM
If I could re roll I'd put it all into cha for vendors or int for trade skills.
In my experience, it's easier to raise wisdom than intelligence. Rogues can wear a lot more shaman/druid gear than int caster gear. Also, isn't vendor price on p99 capped by either a high charisma OR faction? Faction seems like the smarter option....

Jimjam
10-01-2016, 08:26 AM
Better faction means less charisma required to reach best prices.

As a rogue, I suppose you want enough charisma to be able to fence your goods with indifferent (sneak) faction?

RDawg816
10-01-2016, 11:35 AM
Wouldn't it be easier to do some muffin/wine type quests or kill a few goblins/orcs than carrying around a set of charitable gear? To each their own, I guess.