Necro or Shaman

[Dioc]

Hi,

Hopefully you guys can help me out with this question. I'm a casual player who has very little time to play. Not looking to rush to endgame content and I will never raid when I reach max level. These are the only two classes that I enjoy, but which would suit my needs better. I'm looking for a class that can solo easily. I love the idea of root/rotting as I have a lot of distractions. I want to be able to farm tons of money end game to buy my gear since I will not be grouping/raiding. Which of these two classes can farm for plat better with casually earned gear?

Thanks for any answers.

[maskedmelonpai]

Hiya Dioc ^^ In the absence of gear, necromancer will treat you better and if you want an easier time of it, be a lizard :c I do not like lizards to be honest and would probably be a dark elf myself, but lizard regen is a massive boon to necromancy.

[Dioc]

Thank you, I was thinking probably necro would be better. How are both classes at 60 without epic. I doubt I would have anytime at all to complete either of them.

[maskedmelonpai]

Well, Shammy epic is perdy easy actually, not sure about necro tbh. That aside though, at 60 both are very powerful, but to do the big ticket items as a sham you need torpor which cost around 100k. For pp farming epic is incredibly valuable for shaman. Necro is fine without either way ^^

[Nightblade]

The mantra typically is:

If it can be kited or there's charmable undead nearby : necromancers can kill it
If it can be rooted/slowed : shamans can kill it.

The necromancer epic is fairly involved though, with the revamps to the planes is less of a pain in the butt than it used to be.

The shaman epic is mostly about faction, and a few fights that'll require friends. The hardest part is, really, just showing up to Plane of Fear to cave some Golem faces in with the hopes of an Iksar child's tear. Otherwise, if you can run from A to B, you can complete it eventually.

In the case of a necromancer, definitely go Iksar if you want to maximize your capabilities to recover from fights. For shaman, it really depends on what aesthetic you want. Do you want to be unstunnable from the front? Ogre. You want to be redonkahuge and have regen on the main continent without almost everyone hating you? Troll. You want to be on an entirely DIFFERENT continent, have everyone basically want to stomp your teeth in, but get regen? Iksar.

[maskedmelonpai]

For shaman, it really depends on what aesthetic you want. Do you want to be unstunnable from the front? Ogre. You want to be redonkahuge and have regen on the main continent without almost everyone hating you? Troll. You want to be on an entirely DIFFERENT continent, have everyone basically want to stomp your teeth in, but get regen? Iksar.

You left off one :/ Do you want to look faxing fantastic and not give a rat sass about minimax? Barabarian ^^

[jarlerop]

You guys think shaman epic is easy for someone with little time to play? Seems to me like the golems are on farm on guilds that make good profit from selling tear+fight for 80k.
Thats no small change for domeone with little time to invest. Yes, the faction is easy. Tear is not.
Edit: sounds like necro would suit you best, with shammy on a close second.

[Nune]

Necro - Gods of solo (you could argue charm soloing from Chanters is better I suppose), underrated utility when at the hands of a good player, Twitch/Summon Corpse/EE Rez make you somewhat desirable for later on

Shaman - Gods of buffage, waaaaaaaaaay more desired for everyting relating to groups. 50+ having a slower in the group can be a must making Shamans a staple.

Necros get a fairly useless Epic which is fairly impossible to get unless you've got lots of friends who want you to have a duck staff.
Shamans get a must-have Epic which isnt too difficult and almost any guild can do the fights with you.

Theres some quick answers, gotta leave work meow

[sauranas31]

Don't forget mage, if you're into the solo thing! Opens up some alternative races, at least.

[jolanar]

I'd say if you plan on doing a lot of grouping you will probably have an easier time with the Shaman. But they honestly aren't great at soloing until the mid levels (most people agree 34) so it can be hard to start fresh with. Necros on the other hand are great soloers from 1 to 60 with little to no gear and while they are also good in groups they may have trouble getting invites from strangers.

[Sillyturtle]

Hiya Dioc ^^ In the absence of gear, necromancer will treat you better and if you want an easier time of it, be a lizard :c I do not like lizards to be honest and would probably be a dark elf myself, but lizard regen is a massive boon to necromancy.

Necromancer is definitely easier without any gear, and Iksar regen is great.

People say don't let Iksar be your first character because it's harder since everyone will attack you on site, but my first major character was an Iksar Monk and I loved it.

However, Shamans are a LOT of fun. Buffing and healing people is great. Don't underestimate that. Play what you think is more fun basically.

[Pyrion]

If you enjoy root rotting, necro has more dots to play with. Necro also has a lot more abilities than shaman (mez, fear, snare, FD!!!). Still, shaman has some killer abilities, mainly the slow line. With Necro you always have FD if things go south and you can split camps with it, so i would go for that first if solo is your first priority. Necros can be really good in a group, but get a bad rep because of lots of necros not being used to it and trying to use the same tactics as solo.

[Spyder73]

Shaman and Necro are among the best solo classes in the game, superior to the chanter IMO because they can heal themselves if things go sideways. As has been stated, Necro can operate naked and be very effective, Shaman has a higher upside but costs half a million plat in gear/spells to get there. Necro epic is quasi impossible to get, shaman epic being much more attainable.

My favorite duo by far is Shaman/Necro – I have a 57 necromancer and am glad I picked necro, but the shaman Epic is so completely OP that you can basically power level yourself to 60 with very little effort. These shaman in CoM will root rot like 15 mobs at a time with no problems due to the free clicky DoT from the spear.

In my opinion you should make a necro and build PP to twink a shaman

[fuark]

If you're worried about spell / gear prices at all, go necro. You'll be spending 200-250k just on spells to make the shaman viable at 60.

Both are great classes. Necros are really cool. Shamans are completely OP when geared.

[Raev]

Twitch/Summon Corpse/EE Rez make you somewhat desirable for later on

The biggest problem with Necromancers IMO is Sesserdrix's guide which tells you to twitch bitch. I see good players who should know better doing nothing but 'PLZ POST UR MANA' in guild chat. And ok, in Kunark with all interesting raid targets outdoors and 100% MR immune, there isn't much you can do.

In Velious you can be great DPS heals. Pact of Shadow recourse won't stack with Shadowbond, so you can keep 125+80+80 = 285 hp/tick up on the Rogues and Monks at like 6:1 hp/mana for quite some time, and get your HP back with Touch of Night. You can be solid damage. Sure, Necromancer dots don't stack, but if you have 2-3 necros on a raid, then each gets 1 dot. You can help with a lot of pulls using TL boxes, FD, Steelskin, and DA.

[Ganzou]

It's a shame Iksar regen is so OP, all my chars on live were dark elves and The Dead is like my home... plus the image of a dark elf necro buffing himself with dead man's corpse (didn't know what it was but I saw him starting to levitate and was like wow man...) got really engraved in my mind when I started playing EQ as a 14 years old boy.

But... regen is so damn OP... so I just started here with an Iksar necro here.

On the bright side, it's really easy to get plat por spells with those iksar skeletons shields, I started a chanter here who got to 10 and Nektulos is really a pain.

[maskedmelonpai]

Yeah, both iksar regen and field of bone / kurn's tower are pretty super fantastic ^^ Lizards though... :c

[Hailto]

Necro is going to be much much much easier to solo to 60. However, shaman has a much higher potential to farm plat camps, the caveat being that you need to be level 60 and have torpor at the least. Torpor is extremely expensive and a rare drop if you want to try to group it yourself. That's pretty much all there is to it.

And when I say much higher potential to farm plat camps, shaman is the single best class for farming high value camps, only other class that comes close is Enchanter, shaman is better in velious.

[XDrake]

Hey there. :) A 60 Necromancer w/epic here, but that's because I had a great guild supporting me.

FYI on Necromancer Epic - it is nice, but your real epic is a Soulwell Staff from Veeshan's Peak. That and some Holgresh Beads make you a mana god. The duck staff is very helpful, but not as beneficial to those around you as that Soulwell Staff which is a clicky lifetap dot.

I adore my class as I can solo in most places, but I would argue that high end soloing has Shaman often taking the cake. Their ability to slow is priceless. In PoM or in WW they can take on high end stuff that summons/unfearable. They can literally solo some of the WW dragons. That's baller.

I'd say go Necromancer. Easy to pick up and put down as a class... You also can get used to playing again and FD there to save you. It allows you to be more bold and lose less progress exploring. Bless that spell. You also can go into some deep, dark, and nasty places to camp and farm yourself up gear or money to gear yourself.

[Sillyturtle]

Hey there. :) A 60 Necromancer w/epic here, but that's because I had a great guild supporting me.

FYI on Necromancer Epic - it is nice, but your real epic is a Soulwell Staff from Veeshan's Peak. That and some Holgresh Beads make you a mana god. The duck staff is very helpful, but not as beneficial to those around you as that Soulwell Staff which is a clicky lifetap dot.

I adore my class as I can solo in most places, but I would argue that high end soloing has Shaman often taking the cake. Their ability to slow is priceless. In PoM or in WW they can take on high end stuff that summons/unfearable. They can literally solo some of the WW dragons. That's baller.

I'd say go Necromancer. Easy to pick up and put down as a class... You also can get used to playing again and FD there to save you. It allows you to be more bold and lose less progress exploring. Bless that spell. You also can go into some deep, dark, and nasty places to camp and farm yourself up gear or money to gear yourself.

Necro's can solo farm Torpor. That's all I care about.

[Sillyturtle]

Dragon thingies. Drakes? Idk.

[Hailto]

Dragon thingies. Drakes? Idk.

I'd like to see that, not saying it can't be done, but don't those summon?