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Fettsack
09-01-2016, 08:16 AM
Hello,

I got a question about my SK feign death and I hope one can explain it a bit more to me.

ATM I am leveling at CoM at stables camp and last time I tried to split mobs with my FD. I was trying to split two fog golems from the middle area in front of stables but I was unable to do so. ALL the time I was standing up they both came back to attack.

Tried this like 5 or 6 times. Always with the same result - both mad at me. Only option was to /quit for LD after FD.

What I am doing wrong?

Thx,
Fatty

Halox
09-01-2016, 08:32 AM
Snare one before you feign. Let the unsnared one reset. Stand. Hooray!

Fettsack
09-01-2016, 08:37 AM
thanks for the reply + snare hint. unfortunatly the "reset" was never given at a time. I tried multiple times and they have been always coming back after I stood up. only chance was to go LD...?

khanable
09-01-2016, 08:51 AM
You let them path all the way back to their binds? Are you out of social aggro range?

Fettsack
09-01-2016, 09:01 AM
You let them path all the way back to their binds? Are you out of social aggro range?

yes. they wandered back to their spawn point. I gave em like 2-5 seconds before I tried to stand up again.

well - maybe a bug happend. I will try it again this evening.

thanks for the answers!

Xane
09-01-2016, 09:09 AM
Sometimes mobs will still remember you after getting back to their spawn point. Just need to hope the RNG gods are on your side.

xKoopa
09-01-2016, 09:16 AM
Bind your hide skill to ctrl s or whatever you use to stand

Succesful FD + hide on stand is instant memblur as long as mobs cant see through hide. Believe this also works with cos

Also snare is king for splitting

Vandil
09-01-2016, 09:25 AM
Mobs lv35+ will remember you and reacquire aggro unless you /quit.

At that point, you can only feign-split mobs with someone to tag your snared mob. Ideally, you pull one, multiple come. You snare the one to ultimately be pulled. Feign, allow the others to reset, have a buddy tag the snared one. Group engages. Then you either lay there and soak the XP or you /quit, come back, get added back to group, and finish the battle.

xKoopa
09-01-2016, 09:36 AM
^sk can use hide to wipe aggro

Tuurin
09-01-2016, 12:14 PM
Mobs lv35+ will remember you and reacquire aggro unless you /quit.

At that point, you can only feign-split mobs with someone to tag your snared mob. Ideally, you pull one, multiple come. You snare the one to ultimately be pulled. Feign, allow the others to reset, have a buddy tag the snared one. Group engages. Then you either lay there and soak the XP or you /quit, come back, get added back to group, and finish the battle.

Completely untrue. Snare/FD works pretty much every time as long as you allow non-snared one to return to bind and reset and are able to separate mobs enough so they don't social agro each other when you stand. No need to /q or have someone tag if you are using darkness to FD split.

Spyder73
09-01-2016, 12:40 PM
Hello friend! P99 Feign Death user here. What you are experiencing is normal! The way FD works is there is a chance to completely wipe agro when you FD, but it is low. Subsequent FD’s after re-agro have greater and greater chances to wipe agro. Monks bypass this with sneak, that’s why you see monks FD and stand up with no consequence. Once the mob has path’d back to its spawn point your agro will typically wipe and you can stand safely (not all the time). Some higher level mobs may “remember” you even after going home to spawn, but if you FD again and let them go home again that’s usually enough. As a SK you can use Circlet of Shadow to replace sneak, but it doesn’t work to split because when you attack the mobs in the back they all re-agro unless you are in sneak mode and of course your invis breaks.

There is however hope for you my friend! I split mobs on my necromancer all the time by casting snare on one mob and then letting the pack run a sufficient distance from their spawn and then FDing. When the group starts walking back, the mob you have snared will be rooted because they cannot walk with snare on them. When the mobs have returned to their spawn point, stand and immediately hit your circlet of shadow to invis, then attack the snared mob again (who is now separated from the group_ and your chances of successfully splitting the mob go from 5% to 95%. Occationally you will get the mobs who returned home back on you, but most times you will not!

TLDR – splitting as a SK is not the same as splitting on a monk. Its far harder and you need to use tricks

azeth
09-01-2016, 02:07 PM
it was a weird experience leveling my SK to 50, then immediately starting my monk alt and leveling it to 54.

the moment i got FD on the monk (17?)... it was just a slap in the face to the SK. Monk = easy mode.

fadetree
09-01-2016, 02:30 PM
I feel you. After taking my 3rd trip through RangerLand into at least the 50's, I started an enchanter...It's just not fair. Chanters feel crazy OP to me.

xKoopa
09-01-2016, 02:42 PM
Death peace at 60 makes my monk feel so bad at FD tho

4 sec cd vs like 10 or 12 for monk FD

Mendo
09-01-2016, 05:21 PM
Its all about that sneak tag. SK's don't get the ability to sneak tag the mob once they nerfed invis pulling.

Tuurin
09-01-2016, 07:31 PM
Hello friend! P99 Feign Death user here. What you are experiencing is normal! The way FD works is there is a chance to completely wipe agro when you FD, but it is low. Subsequent FD’s after re-agro have greater and greater chances to wipe agro. Monks bypass this with sneak, that’s why you see monks FD and stand up with no consequence. Once the mob has path’d back to its spawn point your agro will typically wipe and you can stand safely (not all the time). Some higher level mobs may “remember” you even after going home to spawn, but if you FD again and let them go home again that’s usually enough. As a SK you can use Circlet of Shadow to replace sneak, but it doesn’t work to split because when you attack the mobs in the back they all re-agro unless you are in sneak mode and of course your invis breaks.

There is however hope for you my friend! I split mobs on my necromancer all the time by casting snare on one mob and then letting the pack run a sufficient distance from their spawn and then FDing. When the group starts walking back, the mob you have snared will be rooted because they cannot walk with snare on them. When the mobs have returned to their spawn point, stand and immediately hit your circlet of shadow to invis, then attack the snared mob again (who is now separated from the group_ and your chances of successfully splitting the mob go from 5% to 95%. Occationally you will get the mobs who returned home back on you, but most times you will not!

TLDR – splitting as a SK is not the same as splitting on a monk. Its far harder and you need to use tricks

Why would you do this as a necro? You'd kill your pet every time...

The only way I would see a need to do this would be for non-static mobs that don't path back to a set spawn point. For normal mobs/splitting you would never do this as a necro unless you were pulling for a group and didn't/couldn't have a pet up. Your description is spot on for splitting while solo though except for the CoS bit.

Nuggie
09-01-2016, 08:14 PM
As a necro, if you aren't charming while you are leveling you are doing it the hard way.

Fettsack
09-02-2016, 03:41 AM
thank you for the many replys! I guess I will try to safe a lot of money to buy one of those nifty circlet of shadows then.