Brad McQuaid interview re. Pantheon

[t0lkien]

I know there is a bit of interest regarding Pantheon here, so thought I'd drop this:

Taking the high road: Brad McQuaid on Pantheon (http://haogamers.com/blog/2016/07/11/taking-the-high-road-pantheon/)

[Lunababy]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

[t0lkien]

✔ shit-stain art style
It's subjective, but I do think they have some work to do yet in this area. I disagree pretty strongly with your throwaway though.

✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
No idea what you mean. It's as close to EQ as anything I've seen *since* EQ.

✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
Again, no idea what you mean. Did you watch the recent stream? What are you basing this on? I don't get it.

✔ cannot play solo
Not sure where you pulled this from but it's flat out wrong. It's been stated many times that just like EQ soloing will be possible, but grouping will be encouraged by design.

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

If what you said was true, I'd agree.

[Nixtar]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

This game is like in pre pre pre-alpha stage. Much of the graphics/animations are placeholders.

Second, that's the point. If you want to solo in MMORPGs there are a lot of those already out there. This game is meant to be a throwback to EQ...

[azeth]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

Which game are you describing?

[Thulack]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

You do realize you are playing basically a 17 year old version of the same type of game right?

[fadetree]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

Reflexive hating in an attempt to sound awesome. Everybody cool hates Brad, right?

Probably inaccessible? wtf does that mean. Do you have trouble with games harder than Tetris or something?

Cannot play solo...besides the fact that your statement is probably better worded as "not designed for solo play", that's part of what most of us LIKE about EQ.

Sheesh. Yes, it will likely fail, and if launched will have all kinds of problems. It's just the way it goes, these games are *really* hard to do. I plan on reserving my judgement until I get to experience it.

[drktmplr12]

You do realize you are playing basically a 17 year old version of the same type of game right?

i don't think he realizes he just described p99.

[Bummey]

There are only two upcoming games I'm looking forward to, Monster Hunter Generations and Pantheon, and MHG comes out in four days.

I bought a knight level pledge for alpha access and I can barely wait for it, knowing full well it'll probably be a broken mess. RIP Vanguard

[Nuggie]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

That one backfired a bit, eh sport?

[Rygar]

I didn't even listen to the audio, but that was the first actual gameplay I saw from the game. I personally think it looks amazing, EQ reborn. I keep hearing great things about the Unity game engine too, so I'm having some high hopes this will hit with a minimal amount of bugs and not be 'broken'.

[azeth]

One of the major things I don't like from the pre-alpha footage we've seen relates almost exclusively to something we havent seen - the actual character models.

Everything is still using the pre-built engine toons, we actually have 0 idea what things look like

[maskedmelon]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

A+, easily the most quoted post of the day. Well played ^^

[Achromatic]

yup, a real whiner right here. what a waste of time.

fixed.



Anyway,

check out this map of the game world. It's the NEXT EQ.

https://www.pantheonmmo.com/images/atlas-hd.jpg

[Landael]

ugh, map looks alot like WoW, deserts and Mountains and stuff in very similar places..

[xKoopa]

ugh, map looks alot like WoW, deserts and Mountains and stuff in very similar places..

its all placeholder models

game will look much different by the time its released

[AzzarTheGod]

Which game are you describing?

lol I think he is describing EQ?

[AzzarTheGod]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

Smelly post. Strongly disagree.

Do you play on P99? Seems weird if you do.

You do realize you are playing basically a 17 year old version of the same type of game right?

Additional dunks on Lunababy.

[Faywind]

That one backfired a bit, eh sport?

Lol, my thoughts exactly :D

[Arkanjil]

I'm looking forward to giving this, Camelot Unchained, and maybe Chronicles of Elyria a chance.

[Tarskin]

It will be broken, full of bugs and hated by all main stream media, yet I will still enjoy it, much like vanguard...

[Sodors Finest Poster]

For all the character model whining - these were EQ alpha characters.

http://i.imgur.com/RJvFjZF.jpg

... Still better than Luclin models.

[EQBallzz]

For all the character model whining - these were EQ alpha characters.

http://i.imgur.com/RJvFjZF.jpg

... Still better than Luclin models.


Wow. That is amazing. I have never seen those EQ alpha pics before.

I don't get the one poster whining about Pantheon. Every complaint made could be applied to EQ/P99 so wtf is he even here to begin with? Pantheon looks amazing compared to most of the shite MMOs on the market. Still a long way to go from what potential it may have to what it will actually be but no other MMO on the horizon has the potential that Pantheon has so I'll stay cautiously optimistic.

Chronicles of Elyria looks sort of interesting but not sure how that death system will actually work out in practice.

[Llandris]

I will be giving Pantheon a shot once it finally releases. If you listen to the stream linked, those char models are PHs.

[Metalopolis]

Vanguard was the only MMO I really enjoyed other than EQ and early WOW. Shame it was forced to release a solid 8-12 months too early. Many of the level 40-50 zones were completely barren and unitemized.

That said the class design, world design, and quest design was top-notch. CLEARLY it was the "true successor" to EverQuest. You even had dungeons you could crawl starting as early as level 15 or so; similar to something like Upper Guk, Befallen etc.

The level progression was more WoW-inspired, in that it was focused mainly around questing. However, unlike WoW, the mobs you killed while questing actually gave significant amounts of experience. So much so that you could also play the game EQ-style and just setup camp in a dungeon and grind mobs for a few hours to level up at a similar pace.

Hopefully Pantheon follows these leads. It always bothered me that some MMOs shoehorn you into grinding mobs for xp, while others force you into grinding QUESTS for xp. There's no reason not to allow players to choose their own means of progression.

If Pantheon is given the dev. time to actually be a COMPLETE GAME on release (including "end game content" / raids) I think it has a solid chance

[yorumi]

Vanguard was the only MMO I really enjoyed other than EQ and early WOW. Shame it was forced to release a solid 8-12 months too early. Many of the level 40-50 zones were completely barren and unitemized.


When vanguard was given to SOE I died a little inside and they pretty much did with it what I expected. I loved that game and it was the successor to EQ. The class design was creative, the world was great, and the races were really cool too. It's just too bad it wasn't given the time to finish.

Hopefully pantheon can fill that hole. I would add on top of being able to finish it, I hope they have the courage to realize it will be a niche game. That doesn't mean it won't make money it just means you're going to get the mainstream complaining that the game isn't casual and bashing it to all hell for that. I've seen people actually say they hope a non-casual mmo is never made again, that's how much they hate the idea of other people getting to play mmos. Every major force out there is going to be pressuring Brad to abandon his principles and he needs to stick to it. Otherwise we'll be playing p99 for the next 40 years(don't get me wrong I love this server but there's only so much we can be stuck in a static world).

[Rygar]

fixed.



Anyway,

check out this map of the game world. It's the NEXT EQ.

https://www.pantheonmmo.com/images/atlas-hd.jpg

Love that map! Nice Kelethin call out in the lower right. Seems a bit Middle Earth / Game of Thrones feel to it. And some interesting names, like the Seventh Door... what does it lead to? Where are the others? I'm intrigued, want to learn more about the lore of this world.

[EQBallzz]

When vanguard was given to SOE I died a little inside and they pretty much did with it what I expected. I loved that game and it was the successor to EQ. The class design was creative, the world was great, and the races were really cool too. It's just too bad it wasn't given the time to finish.

Hopefully pantheon can fill that hole. I would add on top of being able to finish it, I hope they have the courage to realize it will be a niche game. That doesn't mean it won't make money it just means you're going to get the mainstream complaining that the game isn't casual and bashing it to all hell for that. I've seen people actually say they hope a non-casual mmo is never made again, that's how much they hate the idea of other people getting to play mmos. Every major force out there is going to be pressuring Brad to abandon his principles and he needs to stick to it. Otherwise we'll be playing p99 for the next 40 years(don't get me wrong I love this server but there's only so much we can be stuck in a static world).

I dunno...in 40 years it might be pretty sweet. Instead of people handing out free Master Wu's Trance sticks in FoB to lvl 9 Monks they will be handing out free Fungi and T-staffs. If anyone wants to get into the spirit of P99 2050 edition and give me that Fungi and T-staff now however.. :D

[Metalopolis]

I would add on top of being able to finish it, I hope they have the courage to realize it will be a niche game. That doesn't mean it won't make money it just means you're going to get the mainstream complaining that the game isn't casual and bashing it to all hell for that.

Read an interview a few months back, and I've red several forum posts by Sir Bradley himself, where he states exactly this; that they're designing an itentionally-niche game targeting an MMO audience that's been alienated from modern MMOs.

Now that's all talk, of course, however Pantheon is in a bit of a unique position....

For those who don't know: the game's kickstarter actually FAILED. It seemed like Pantheon was destined to become vaporware until it was saved by an angel investor, who understood exactly what type of MMO they were designing. And the audience they were designing it for.

[Metalopolis]

Here's one quote I was able to find fairly easily.....

“Our philosophy is different,” McQuaid said. “Some of the recent MMOs have huge budgets and make a game that is perfect for everyone. Our belief is the future of MMOs is smaller, more targeted games. Over 10 million people play massively multiplayer games. That’s a huge group. There are people with all sorts of tastes and styles of gameplay. We target an audience and make a fantastic game just for them. We don’t need ridiculous budgets.”

He added, “The social, cooperative players have been orphaned. Some people love cooperative play against the A.I.”

[yorumi]

Read an interview a few months back, and I've red several forum posts by Sir Bradley himself, where he states exactly this; that they're designing an itentionally-niche game targeting an MMO audience that's been alienated from modern MMOs.

Now that's all talk, of course, however Pantheon is in a bit of a unique position....

For those who don't know: the game's kickstarter actually FAILED. It seemed like Pantheon was destined to become vaporware until it was saved by an angel investor, who understood exactly what type of MMO they were designing. And the audience they were designing it for.

yeah they're saying all the right things so far which gives me so hope but I've seen that before. Granted vanguard was a good idea so Brad, at least his vision has a good track record. I'm cautiously optimistic about this. There's been too many casual, solo mmos, I want a modern day EQ. Granted I know he doesn't have the rights to it but hell I'd take EQHD.

[rollin5k]

pantheon looks awesome.

[Speedi]

I pledged 100.00 dollars. I hope the game does well. Stop being so negative! :)

[Widan]

Isn't this the game where everyone on the dev team quit except for his fundamentalist christian friends cause they weren't getting paid?

[LostCause]

im sure brad is taking the "high" road litterally.

[Izmael]

Trusting Brad McQuaid to get anything done is like trusting Agatha with heroin and a needle. He'll tell you how he's not gonna fail like before, but in the end- the needle will end up deep in some body part.

Wait a second, wasn't Brad McQuaid the lead developer of the game we all love and still play 17 years later?

[Izmael]

Who are you kidding.

You're still in love with EQ and you know it.

[drktmplr12]

by the way, has he overdosed yet?

what the eff is wrong with you?

[fadetree]

I have unfortunately left said game behind- but you guys are just too much fun not to check in on every once in a while.

Has our Brad Mcquaid got off the opiates yet?

I will never play a game with someone like Agatha involved at any point.

by the way, has he overdosed yet?

what the eff is wrong with you?

I'll tell you what's wrong with him. He's a judgmental f*cktard poser who couldn't develop anything on his own if his life depended on it. He's on the same "it's cool to hate Brad" short bus that the other troll was on. They just enjoy being shitty and crapping on parades. The irony is that I'd bet that junior here has tried a few opiates or other recreational substances on his own.

[maskedmelon]

I'll tell you what's wrong with him. He's a judgmental f*cktard poser who couldn't develop anything on his own if his life depended on it. He's on the same "it's cool to hate Brad" short bus that the other troll was on. They just enjoy being shitty and crapping on parades. The irony is that I'd bet that junior here has tried a few opiates or other recreational substances on his own.

Good post ^^ I never understood all the retard obsession with Brad's life.

[nyclin]

Vanguard's development was a trainwreck and the stories about Brad showing up to work high as balls were hilarious. Can't blame people for enjoying the drama.

[EQBallzz]

Vanguard's development was a trainwreck and the stories about Brad showing up to work high as balls were hilarious. Can't blame people for enjoying the drama.

There were a lot of rumors about VG and Brad. I bet half of them aren't true or wildly inaccurate. Even if they are true...I bet most of the people who delight in whatever personal problems Brad may have had are not half as successful as the "high as balls" Brad McQuaid. I would also be willing to bet many have their own share of personal problems at least as bad as Brad so have no room to pass judgement.

I get why some would have reservations but the overboard reveling in Brad's problems and delighting in his potential failure makes me think some people must have mental problems or are just sad and pathetic people.

The fact is that even with his issues he created two of the most loved MMOs in gaming history and even when you consider all the issues, those games have been way better than most other MMOs that were released by "competent" and "sober" people who ostensibly have no excuse for sucking.

[Vheran]

Will gladly pay every month for this game if they truly aim for the niche that is the p1999 community (even those that dont play p99, but loved the first 3 years of EQ).

[EQBallzz]

Will gladly pay every month for this game if they truly aim for the niche that is the p1999 community (even those that dont play p99, but loved the first 3 years of EQ).

Agreed. I have already done the $100 Knight's pledge. It's a pretty good deal (2 copies of the game at release and Alpha access among some other perks). Would rather risk 100 bucks on a Brad McQuaid game than throw good money after bad in some of the cash grab shit shows that try to pass as MMOs these days.

[Ruhtar]

Would rather risk 100 bucks on a Brad McQuaid game than throw good money after bad in some of the cash grab shit shows that try to pass as MMOs these days.

Definition of every Korean MMO with a founder's pack.

[Vheran]

Agreed. I have already done the $100 Knight's pledge. It's a pretty good deal (2 copies of the game at release and Alpha access among some other perks). Would rather risk 100 bucks on a Brad McQuaid game than throw good money after bad in some of the cash grab shit shows that try to pass as MMOs these days.

definitely want in on the same pledge, hoping it's still available when i can afford to pay for it (life transitions).

[Muggens]

EQ is my favorite game perhaps. I logged into Vanguard only to find out it was going offline after a day or two, the game seemed nice and I regret not trying it earlier. Lead me to P99 tho, which is a great server and I would even guess Brad have at least tried it.
Pantheon looks a tad bland tho compared to the magnificent graphics of EQ but Im sure it will improve. Needs more colours atleast, but please not the WoW palette. Wont "pledge" any money upfront but will atleast try and play the game before it shuts down like Vanguard.

[AzzarTheGod]

Trusting Brad McQuaid to get anything done is like trusting Agatha with heroin and a needle. He'll tell you how he's not gonna fail like before, but in the end- the needle will end up deep in some body part.

Good post. The needle will be in brads ass after many promises.

[AzzarTheGod]

Agreed. I have already done the $100 Needle pledge. It's a pretty good deal (2 opiates of the game at release and Alpha access among some other perkocets) . Would rather risk 100 bucks on a Brad McQuaid opiate than throw good money after bad in some of the cash grab shit shows that try to pass as MMOs these days.

FTFY.

I am sure you will be very satisfied.

[R Flair]

Good thing I'm only interested in buying Brad's games, not engaging in a long term relationship with him.

Some people gettin torqued about the stupidest shit.

Pledged!

[EQBallzz]

FTFY.

I am sure you will be very satisfied.

I don't claim to know the details of Brad's alleged drug problems but drug problems are pretty devastating and hard to overcome for some people. I know this from personal experience in my own family. I know you think you sound cool shitting on someone for being "weak" or whatever but in reality you just sound like a fucking tool.

If you hate Brad so much and he makes such shitty games then WTF are you playing one of his 17 year old games and posting on these forums? Why aren't you off playing one of those great MMOs on the market created by more "reputable" game devs? Hypocritical much?

[LostCause]

nothing he said wasn't true tho.
brad is a opiate user no hiding that
name one NEW mmo that actually made it big.

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't claim to know the details of Brad's alleged drug problems but drug problems are pretty devastating and hard to overcome for some people. I know this from personal experience in my own family. I know you think you sound cool shitting on someone for being "weak" or whatever but in reality you just sound like a fucking tool.

If you hate Brad so much and he makes such shitty games then WTF are you playing one of his 17 year old games and posting on these forums? Why aren't you off playing one of those great MMOs on the market created by more "reputable" game devs? Hypocritical much?

Will respond to this later.

[EQBallzz]

nothing he said wasn't true tho.
brad is a opiate user no hiding that
name one NEW mmo that actually made it big.

What is your point? Lots of people have drug or alcohol problems or other personal issues. Why continue to belabor the point with such schadenfreude like it's a big joke?

I think EQ "made it big"..we are all playing it 17 years later. I seriously doubt any of these modern MMOs will be active in half that time or have anyone who cares enough to run an emulator.

How about you name one big MMO that is any good? Just because a game makes money doesn't mean it's any good. Farmville made money. Neverwinter probably made money. Doesn't make them any good.

[Izmael]

Charles Dickens - opium addict
Ernest Hemingway - alcoholic
Edgar Allan Poe - alcoholic
Kurt Cobain - heroin addict
Tchaikovsky - alcoholic
Freud - opiate, cocaine addict
Stephen King - everything
Vincent van Gogh - alcoholic
Steve Jobs - LSD
Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison - anything remotely looking like a psychoactive substance
Bill Evans - heroin


Yeah, I'd never touch anything produced by these junkies.

[maskedmelon]

Charles Dickens - opium addict
Ernest Hemingway - alcoholic
Edgar Allan Poe - alcoholic
Kurt Cobain - heroin addict
Tchaikovsky - alcoholic
Freud - opiate, cocaine addict
Stephen King - everything
Vincent van Gogh - alcoholic
Steve Jobs - LSD
Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison - anything remotely looking like a psychoactive substance
Bill Evans - heroin


Yeah, I'd never touch anything produced by these junkies.

I'm not sure this list helps. The sentiment is welcome though ^^

[georgie]

need more games that are styled like skyrim (never played any of the previous games) I just enjoyed the melee a lot more and even the casting. its so boring to target someone and just press buttons these days

[Kotopes]

Vanguard was the only MMO I really enjoyed other than EQ and early WOW. Shame it was forced to release a solid 8-12 months too early. Many of the level 40-50 zones were completely barren and unitemized.

That said the class design, world design, and quest design was top-notch. CLEARLY it was the "true successor" to EverQuest. You even had dungeons you could crawl starting as early as level 15 or so; similar to something like Upper Guk, Befallen etc.


/\/\/\ This. I completely with you here. Even if Pantheon is a copycat of EQ with newer graphics and zones, I'd definitely pay for it.
Also Vanguard was well polished and very playable in later years before it's ultimate demise. Unfortunately it was too late.

[R Flair]

Charles Dickens - opium addict
Ernest Hemingway - alcoholic
Edgar Allan Poe - alcoholic
Kurt Cobain - heroin addict
Tchaikovsky - alcoholic
Freud - opiate, cocaine addict
Stephen King - everything
Vincent van Gogh - alcoholic
Steve Jobs - LSD
Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison - anything remotely looking like a psychoactive substance
Bill Evans - heroin


Yeah, I'd never touch anything produced by these junkies.

That list isn't even 1% of the most popular artists that did drugs.

[Hailto]

I don't think there is ever going to be another good MMO that's my honest opinion. I don't think the money is in making a quality MMO and in a lot of cases making a quality game in general. The average consumer is too stupid, too flooded with social media influence, too lazy to make producing a real game profitable. I'm going to sound like a hipster here but the more mainstream gaming becomes the more it's going to be diluted to shit. Gaming used to be a niche thing with a very specific target audience that is not the case anymore and it will never be the same.

[big_ole_jpn]

Jimmy Hendrix

[AzzarTheGod]

/\/\/\ This. I completely with you here. Even if Pantheon is a copycat of EQ with newer graphics and zones, I'd definitely pay for it.
Also Vanguard was well polished and very playable in later years before it's ultimate demise. Unfortunately it was too late.

I probably won't take Pantheon seriously as it looks to be a huge step backwards from Vanguard.

I understand its a different product, but the fact its not "progressive" from Vanguard and is taking the niche regressive angle, I may ultimately steer clear.

Also, gross selfish vapid drug use like opiates is a major turnoff. Yet another reason not to buy the game.

[AzzarTheGod]

That list isn't even 1% of the most popular artists that did drugs.

Not even that... How about adittionally the ones who used opiates regularly on that list are arguably insignificant and talentless. I.E. Cobain.

[Hailto]

Not even that... How about adittionally the ones who used opiates regularly on that list are arguably insignificant and talentless. I.E. Cobain.

The fuck are you talking about, probably over half of musicans that had drug problems used opiates. Jimi Hendrix talent less, Janice Joplin talent less, Eric Clapton, Miles Davis, Jim Morrison? Get out of here. What kind of retard bases their perception of a game on past drug use by it's creator?

[AzzarTheGod]

The fuck are you talking about, probably over half of musicans that had drug problems used opiates. Jimi Hendrix talent less, Janice Joplin talent less, Eric Clapton, Miles Davis, Jim Morrison? Get out of here. What kind of retard bases their perception of a game on past drug use by it's creator?

Occasional opiate use =/= chronic abuse. The chronic users on that list suck rat penis.

Morrison was a complete hack in his later years and a worthless piece of shit.

Eric Clapton was not big on opiates at all and the talent shows it. No idea where the fuck you get your information. He was a huge cocaine and alcohol guy.

I'm not going to go name-by-name. I already debunked you. The only retard I see here is yourself with your insistence that Brad's heavy opiate use is not a problem.

[EQBallzz]

Occasional opiate use =/= chronic abuse. The chronic users on that list suck rat penis.

Morrison was a complete hack in his later years and a worthless piece of shit.

Eric Clapton was not big on opiates at all and the talent shows it. No idea where the fuck you get your information. He was a huge cocaine and alcohol guy.

I'm not going to go name-by-name. I already debunked you. The only retard I see here is yourself with your insistence that Brad's heavy opiate use is not a problem.

Wow. Just wow. Are you seriously trying to argue that only artists who used drugs "occasionally" are good? You're either the dumbest person ever or the worst troll ever. Oh and Kurt Cobain is insignificant and talent-less? lmao. Got to be the worst troll ever because I can't fathom anyone being that dumb.

[Izmael]

Stop feeding the troll. Problem solved.

[maskedmelon]

Wow. Just wow. Are you seriously trying to argue that only artists who used drugs "occasionally" are good? You're either the dumbest person ever or the worst troll ever. Oh and Kurt Cobain is insignificant and talent-less? lmao. Got to be the worst troll ever because I can't fathom anyone being that dumb.

Nirvana sucks. That is pretty well understood by reasonable people. But I doubt Cobain's lack of talent had anything to do with drug use though. It's just a bad argument.

[EQBallzz]

Nirvana sucks. That is pretty well understood by reasonable people. But I doubt Cobain's lack of talent had anything to do with drug use though. It's just a bad argument.

I suppose you are the arbiter of said list of "reasonable" people? You may not like Nirvana and that's fine but he's far from talent-less. It doesn't mean everyone has to like his music but to say he's insignificant or talent-less is objectively wrong.

[maskedmelon]

It doesn't mean everyone has to like his music but to say he's talent-less is objectively wrong.

No it's not. I never said he was insignificant. And no, I am not the arbiter of "said list of "reasonable people."" I am only the Adjudicator of Indecision ^^

[Vheran]

Gaming used to be a niche thing with a very specific target audience that is not the case anymore and it will never be the same.

That niche specifically, when it comes to MMORPGs, being fans of MUDs, D&D, lore-ridden epics, or early early games that were heavily influenced by any of those. The majority don't give a shit about storytelling in gaming anymore, or making friends and journeying with them. That's not where the money is anymore. An online MMORPG now is a game you solo on, instance to get your bonus exp, then part ways and never hear from those people again. Community isn't marketable anymore unless you're still in that niche. Thus why there is an emulation of a 17/18 year old game that still has a dedicated player base.

Will it ever make a comeback? I doubt it, but it's possible if people in that niche made something fresh. Ya know, instead of trolling people's efforts to do just that or dismissing them because of personal life problems that have nothing to do with the game.

[EQBallzz]

No it's not. I never said he was insignificant. And no, I am not the arbiter of "said list of "reasonable people."" I am only the Adjudicator of Indecision ^^

You didn't but AzzarTheGod did and that was how this asinine derail got started in the first place.

[Treefall]

Troll or not...I wonder if any of these people ever realize how horrible they are?

What is the point or purpose of derailing someone over their personal struggles?

When I was younger I loved the anonymity of the internet but as I get older I'm not sure I feel that way any more. There should be some form of public accountability.

A simple moral check: would I say this in public to a crowd? If the answer is no...then don't type it on a public form.

[big_ole_jpn]

Nirvana sucks. That is pretty well understood by reasonable people.

this.

Cobain is a "talent" like Britney Spears.

[Lune]

this.

Cobain is a "talent" like Britney Spears.

Nirvana sucks.

Contrarianism is no substitute for having an interesting or insightful opinion

[Bummey]

What the hell happened to this thread?

[big_ole_jpn]

Contrarianism is no substitute for having an interesting or insightful opinion

There is nothing contrarian about disliking a band disliked by virtually every intelligent person ever

Call me a follower if you want to hit even remotely close with your shot in the dark.

[AzzarTheGod]

There is nothing contrarian about disliking a band disliked by virtually every intelligent person ever

Call me a follower if you want to hit even remotely close with your shot in the dark.

More on this later. These guys want to call it this and that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOchrmMgzjA

What now? Real stories, real artist, real feedback on opiates/opioids and creative ability.

[Trollhide]

Nirvana was my shit when I was an angsty little high-school shit. Then I grew up, re-listened to their stuff, and came to the conclusion that yes they are fucking garbage.

[AzzarTheGod]

Wow. Just wow. Are you seriously trying to argue that only artists who used drugs "occasionally" are good? You're either the dumbest person ever or the worst troll ever. Oh and Kurt Cobain is insignificant and talent-less? lmao. Got to be the worst troll ever because I can't fathom anyone being that dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOchrmMgzjA

Who is the idiot now? I specifically specified chronic opiate/opioid administration. Maskedmelon this is directed at you as well if you want that beef. I WAS making the argument that you thought I wasn't.

Enlighten yourself and get back to me, Ballz. You're a one-shot one-post chump.

In that link, I provide real world evidence and anecdotal honesty about chronic opiate use and how it has affected the music and behavior of a famous artist with several billboard hits

That is more billboard success and hits than Cobain. Try that on for size (((Lune)))

[quido]

Smash Mouth is the defining band of our generation.

[EQBallzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOchrmMgzjA

Who is the idiot now? I specifically specified chronic opiate/opioid administration. Maskedmelon this is directed at you as well if you want that beef. I WAS making the argument that you thought I wasn't.

Enlighten yourself and get back to me, Ballz. You're a one-shot one-post chump.

In that link, I provide real world evidence and anecdotal honesty about chronic opiate use and how it has affected the music and behavior of a famous artist with several billboard hits

That is more billboard success and hits than Cobain. Try that on for size (((Lune)))

You provided a video of some guy most people ever heard of. One anecdote does not mean shit. There are countless lists of artists, authors and musicians that all had heavy drug and alcohol problems but if you want to play dumb and be "contrarian" like Lune suggested then please do carry on.

[big_ole_jpn]

You provided a video of some guy most people ever heard of. One anecdote does not mean shit. There are countless lists of artists, authors and musicians that all had heavy drug and alcohol problems but if you want to play dumb and be "contrarian" like Lune suggested then please do carry on.

There's nothing contrarian about suggesting that heavy use of opiates smashes the spirit of a human into such a tiny recess that artistic ability is dampened. "Contrarian" would be suggesting the opposite.

Almost any heavily-addled artist you can come up with that retained any talent during their using years was using psychedelics and/or stimulants heavily, with opiate use likely but still secondary. Almost any cash-grabbing burnout piece of shit (Morrison being one of the most obvious examples, there are more than you can even name) mega-star rich artist you can come up with was crippled by opiate addiction in their later years.

Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hvkPyiAFE) a video of John Lennon, who went from marginally talented pop star to arguably woke creative genius for a period during his heavy use of psychedelics, at his last public performance before finally being sucked under by his opiate addiction until his assassination. "No immigration too". Look at this poor motherfucker.

My suspicion is that you have very little experience with drugs and don't really understand the huge distinctions to be drawn between the different categories. Being 24/7 content and sedated is anathema to creativity. We're not idiot grandpas claiming that degenerate pot smokers can't possibly be creative -- we're just not retards who have their entire worldview scrambled by single-issue-voter's rhetoric about marijuana legalization claiming that no category of drug is lethal to productivity. The fact that you are still totally ignoring that Azzar is referring specifically to opiates would imply you draw no distinctions within what you view as one uniform category: "drugs".

You'd have to be stupid to trust McQuaalude or be excited for one of his projects. Nirvana is unlistenable shit. None of you can argue coherently against these key points because both are objective truth.

[Hailto]

There's nothing contrarian about suggesting that heavy use of opiates smashes the spirit of a human into such a tiny recess that artistic ability is dampened. "Contrarian" would be suggesting the opposite.

Almost any heavily-addled artist you can come up with that retained any talent during their using years was using psychedelics and/or stimulants heavily, with opiate use likely but still secondary. Almost any cash-grabbing burnout piece of shit (Morrison being one of the most obvious examples, there are more than you can even name) mega-star rich artist you can come up with was crippled by opiate addiction in their later years.

Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hvkPyiAFE) a video of John Lennon, who went from marginally talented pop star to arguably woke creative genius for a period during his heavy use of psychedelics, at his last public performance before finally being sucked under by his opiate addiction until his assassination. "No immigration too". Look at this poor motherfucker.

My suspicion is that you have very little experience with drugs and don't really understand the huge distinctions to be drawn between the different categories. Being 24/7 content and sedated is anathema to creativity. We're not idiot grandpas claiming that degenerate pot smokers can't possibly be creative -- we're just not retards who have their entire worldview scrambled by single-issue-voter's rhetoric about marijuana legalization claiming that no category of drug is lethal to productivity. The fact that you are still totally ignoring that Azzar is referring specifically to opiates would imply you draw no distinctions within what you view as one uniform category: "drugs".

You'd have to be stupid to trust McQuaalude or be excited for one of his projects. Nirvana is unlistenable shit. None of you can argue coherently against these key points because both are objective truth.

But boy does it feel good while it smashes you (no homo)

[AzzarTheGod]

There's nothing contrarian about suggesting that heavy use of opiates smashes the spirit of a human into such a tiny recess that artistic ability is dampened. "Contrarian" would be suggesting the opposite.

Almost any heavily-addled artist you can come up with that retained any talent during their using years was using psychedelics and/or stimulants heavily, with opiate use likely but still secondary. Almost any cash-grabbing burnout piece of shit (Morrison being one of the most obvious examples, there are more than you can even name) mega-star rich artist you can come up with was crippled by opiate addiction in their later years.

Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hvkPyiAFE) a video of John Lennon, who went from marginally talented pop star to arguably woke creative genius for a period during his heavy use of psychedelics, at his last public performance before finally being sucked under by his opiate addiction until his assassination. "No immigration too". Look at this poor motherfucker.

My suspicion is that you have very little experience with drugs and don't really understand the huge distinctions to be drawn between the different categories. Being 24/7 content and sedated is anathema to creativity. We're not idiot grandpas claiming that degenerate pot smokers can't possibly be creative -- we're just not retards who have their entire worldview scrambled by single-issue-voter's rhetoric about marijuana legalization claiming that no category of drug is lethal to productivity. The fact that you are still totally ignoring that Azzar is referring specifically to opiates would imply you draw no distinctions within what you view as one uniform category: "drugs".

You'd have to be stupid to trust McQuaalude or be excited for one of his projects. Nirvana is unlistenable shit. None of you can argue coherently against these key points because both are objective truth.

*checks stopwatch*

lord J arrived on time to straighten these Jon Heder's out.

[EQBallzz]

There's nothing contrarian about suggesting that heavy use of opiates smashes the spirit of a human into such a tiny recess that artistic ability is dampened. "Contrarian" would be suggesting the opposite.

Almost any heavily-addled artist you can come up with that retained any talent during their using years was using psychedelics and/or stimulants heavily, with opiate use likely but still secondary. Almost any cash-grabbing burnout piece of shit (Morrison being one of the most obvious examples, there are more than you can even name) mega-star rich artist you can come up with was crippled by opiate addiction in their later years.

Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hvkPyiAFE) a video of John Lennon, who went from marginally talented pop star to arguably woke creative genius for a period during his heavy use of psychedelics, at his last public performance before finally being sucked under by his opiate addiction until his assassination. "No immigration too". Look at this poor motherfucker.

My suspicion is that you have very little experience with drugs and don't really understand the huge distinctions to be drawn between the different categories. Being 24/7 content and sedated is anathema to creativity. We're not idiot grandpas claiming that degenerate pot smokers can't possibly be creative -- we're just not retards who have their entire worldview scrambled by single-issue-voter's rhetoric about marijuana legalization claiming that no category of drug is lethal to productivity. The fact that you are still totally ignoring that Azzar is referring specifically to opiates would imply you draw no distinctions within what you view as one uniform category: "drugs".

You'd have to be stupid to trust McQuaalude or be excited for one of his projects. Nirvana is unlistenable shit. None of you can argue coherently against these key points because both are objective truth.

I probably have more direct interaction with opiate users than both of you combined but I'm not going into those private details here. However, that has little to do with the asinine comments about Brad and whatever drug problems he may have had. I don't really give a shit about what the cutoff point is (in your mind) when drugs (or what type of drugs) start to become detrimental to the creative process. I'm not arguing for or against drug use. I have personal experience with drugs and I have seen up close what devastation opiates have on people.

The fact is that many artists have used drugs of all types and in all different amounts and at different stages of their careers and have produced amazing things. Maybe they would have been better if they were sober but that isn't the point.

Nobody here can honestly claim to know the details of Brad's life then or now so all these comments about "Brad MQuaalude" and such is just you being a dick with zero first hand knowledge of anything. Do you know how long he took drugs or what kinds or if he stopped? I doubt it.

Now stop posting on the 17 year old EQ emulator forum and get back to playing the 17 year old EQ game that Brad "McQuaalude" made (and you apparently still play). I guess nobody else sees the hysterical irony of people complaining about Brad's trustworthiness to make video games on a forum dedicated to the game that Brad created and they still play 17 years later. Maybe you can talk more shit about Brad on the Pantheon emulator forums in 10 years when he's making his next game and you are still playing Pantheon.

p.s. Nirvana is fine. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it unlistenable. I mean just a quick search from the wiki will show you this:


Despite releasing only three full-length studio albums in their seven-year career, Nirvana has come to be regarded as one of the most influential and important rock bands of the modern era. Though the band dissolved in 1994, their music continues to maintain a popular following and to inspire and influence modern rock and roll culture.

Sorry but selling 70 million albums doesn't indicate to me that nobody is listening to them. Don't like the wiki info? Just do a search about Nirvana's influence and there are too many articles to even read. Not to mention Nirvana essentially spawned the Foo Fighters but I guess they suck, too? It's cool how cocksure you are about everything but that doesn't make you right. Just makes you annoying.

[Trollhide]

Yanni has sold over 20 million albums. Nickelback has sold over 50 million albums. This doesn't make either of them good artists.

[t0lkien]

I don't think there is ever going to be another good MMO that's my honest opinion. I don't think the money is in making a quality MMO and in a lot of cases making a quality game in general. The average consumer is too stupid, too flooded with social media influence, too lazy to make producing a real game profitable. I'm going to sound like a hipster here but the more mainstream gaming becomes the more it's going to be diluted to shit. Gaming used to be a niche thing with a very specific target audience that is not the case anymore and it will never be the same.

This was all said before WoW's runaway success too. People were saying EQ was as big as the genre could ever get, that anything beyond a 500k playerbase was not possible etc. etc. Publishers were always pushing for less money and shorter schedules.

After WoW hit 10 million publishers for a time were pushing for longer production schedules to make games good, and not just fast. No kidding. They were actually rejecting schedules for being too short!

So... nah. There is always a way.

[R Flair]

Nobody here can honestly claim to know the details of Brad's life then or now so all these comments about "Brad MQuaalude" and such is just you being a dick with zero first hand knowledge of anything. Do you know how long he took drugs or what kinds or if he stopped? I doubt it.

Not only does nobody here have any first hand details, the little details anyone has is almost entirely the account of a single person that worked for Sigil and that admits to sabotaging Vanguard and having a personal axe to grind with McQuaid. Everything else is hearsay, gossip and entirely unsubstantiated.

[pathius41]

Yanni has sold over 20 million albums. Nickelback has sold over 50 million albums. This doesn't make either of them good artists.

and what exactly have you done in the music industry?

When will you people on the internet wake the hell up and figure out opinion does not equal fact. Do I care for Yanni? No, but am I going to say she isn't an artist? No, there are 20 million reasons that say she is. Same goes for Nickelback.

[Trollhide]

Yanni is purportedly a dude, and I didn't say he wasn't an artist - I said he wasn't a good one, just like Nickelback, just like Kurt Cobain. The best art Cobain ever made was his avant-garde brainsplatter on the floor piece, circa 1994.

[Skinned]

Smash Mouth is the defining band of our generation.

I read this last night and laughed, just seen it again and thought about Shrek theme song and laughed again.

Yanni is purportedly a dude, and I didn't say he wasn't an artist - I said he wasn't a good one, just like Nickelback, just like Kurt Cobain. The best art Cobain ever made was his avant-garde brainsplatter on the floor piece, circa 1994.

Edgelord.jpg

[Trollhide]

Edgelord.jpg
I've been practicing edging for months

[Skinned]

I've been practicing edging for months

You should show me sometime.

[Muggens]

Yanni is purportedly a dude, and I didn't say he wasn't an artist - I said he wasn't a good one, just like Nickelback, just like Kurt Cobain. The best art Cobain ever made was his avant-garde brainsplatter on the floor piece, circa 1994.

Dont care about Nirvana, but this is a terrible post, you should just shut up.

[Trollhide]

Yeah it was said without really thinking it through and pretty tasteless, I give you my official Internet Apology for that post.

[big_ole_jpn]

Maybe you can talk more shit about Brad on the Pantheon emulator forums in 10 years when he's making his next game and you are still playing Pantheon.

p.s. Nirvana is fine.

good post

[Tenloar]

fixed.



Anyway,

check out this map of the game world. It's the NEXT EQ.

https://www.pantheonmmo.com/images/atlas-hd.jpg

Aside from thread going who know's where;

This map is pretty much Everquest.

[AzzarTheGod]

good post

We may go down in history as the Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan of P99.

We are wearing some really big rings right now, and running out of fingers to put them on.

[waffel]

Is it shocking people are hung up on Brad's previous drug use? These are the same people hung up on a 17 year old game. Of course they are scared of Brad's new game and will find any reason to shit on it, it might mean people are ready to move on past 1999.

For all the artists ya'll are arguing about being good/bad high/not high; they all have one thing in common. They were influential and got nerds on a video game forum talking about them. That's a bigger legacy than your level 70 will leave.

[AenorVZ]

For all the character model whining - these were EQ alpha characters.

http://i.imgur.com/RJvFjZF.jpg

... Still better than Luclin models.

This was a fine post.

[AenorVZ]

Not even that... How about adittionally the ones who used opiates regularly on that list are arguably insignificant and talentless. I.E. Cobain.

LOL talentless. He only induced an entire paradigm shift in modern music. AzzarTheWingerFan.

[AzzarTheGod]

LOL talentless. He only induced an entire paradigm shift in modern music. AzzarTheWingerFan.

Are you arguing that Winger is less talented than Cobain?

Talentless may have been a little bit too strong.

[fugazi]

Yanni is purportedly a dude, and I didn't say he wasn't an artist - I said he wasn't a good one, just like Nickelback, just like Kurt Cobain.


Yanni rocked a stash so epic he probably knocked a couple of women up simply by looking at them. That, and the man was so revered he got to perform at the Acropolis. So yeah, I am sure he is shedding a tear that you don't rate him.

http://i.imgur.com/TvXts00.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

Yanni rocked a stash so epic he probably knocked a couple of women up simply by looking at them. That, and the man was so revered he got to perform at the Acropolis. So yeah, I am sure he is shedding a tear that you don't rate him.

http://i.imgur.com/TvXts00.jpg

Yanni was everything Cobain wished he was.

[phacemeltar]

this thread really changed directions

[Jaleth]

✔ shit-stain art style
✔ non-interactive and terrible gameplay
✔ probably inaccessible (game is confusing to play)
✔ cannot play solo

yup, a real winner right here. what a waste of time and money

Sounds like classic EQ. Why are you here? :confused:

[R Flair]

Thank you .. love this.
The coloring and art style reminds me of the EverQuest Online Adventures map.
Maybe in some way Pantheon will be like EQ meets EQOA.

Noted on the map though, no (what seems to be) areas you can travel to that have snow.

That will come when they launch the Siluveos expansion.