Server pop might be low, solutions from the champ

[gloinz]

Server pop is low and I believe this is due to PvP being meaningless and lengthy, as well as unbalanced with current item inflation.

I have a master's degree in PvP Champ Server Domination, and can see these systematic problems.

To increase server pop to 500+:

Change PvP Range to +- 10, force folks to have to fight or work together or die
Add Xp Loss with PvP Death scaling based on level - This forces folks to have to grind forever, and thus makes box better. IT must be a decent xp loss for the most part if you are within 4 levels, imo, outside of that not so much.

Furthermore,
Consider wiping box and keeping it classic™
Consider team server, or permanent death server, or item loot server

Discuss

[maerilith]

I endorse OPs research. Sound theory.

[Tassador]

Wipe it keep it classic pop will grow until people realize they are playing eq again...

[Efwan]

Would be a quick way to put server into single digits. OP is an idiot

[Salaryman]

lv 60 with no gear vs lv 60 with gear is way more unfair then a lv 50 vs a lv 60

[gloinz]

Would be a quick way to put server into single digits. OP is an idiot

who is this bluebie scumbag who likes a 100 pop ghostland server?

Sorry pal the PvP champ offers solutions for PvP'ers, bluebies like you might not succeed in a server that has PvP happening regularly

[gloinz]

lv 60 with no gear vs lv 60 with gear is way more unfair then a lv 50 vs a lv 60

Amen, my lvl 39 pally on sz could fuck up lvl 60 casters at a zoneline all day. All bout dem gears. Box in Classic is much more balanced gear wise, if you have bronze armor you can still put up a fight. In late Kunark/Velious era you need haste items, resist items, hp items, and all sorts of shit before you have a chance.

[heartbrand]

Some of my favorite fights were against Gloinz. I support his post and message.

[gloinz]

Some of my favorite fights were against Gloinz. I support his post and message.

ya dawg I remember numerous times of fighting the behemoth of Checkraise. Never much a chance as a noble little gnome wizard, but glorious combat none the less.

Bluebie server domination for a bit/making sure Lite and crew got smacked down was good times as well

[Tune]

probably 100+ people banned for silly stuff

just sayin

[iiNGloriouS]

probably 100+ people banned for silly stuff

just sayin

Was your tradeskill macro ban silly?

[heartbrand]

The banned player argument is dumb because all of those people still play here on their seventeenth account

[Tune]

Was your tradeskill macro ban silly?

never macroed dude

id be happy to show u the logs

oh and i got it all back AGAIN

[Samsung]

probably 100+ people banned for silly stuff

just sayin

Sup Tune.

[quido]

You didn't get it all back and you definitely cheated, Tune - I saw it. There's not a single doubt among any of the people who know you.

[blammo]

Tune ran buff bots using illegal programs. He high sunned named mobs into walls. He trained.

He is justifiably banned.

[heartbrand]

Remember when he dual wielded a weapon and an instrument then claimed he was just testing it

[fiegi 8.0]

lol

[Tune]

You didn't get it all back and you definitely cheated, Tune - I saw it. There's not a single doubt among any of the people who know you.

lol u saw it?

ur claims are about as legit as ur leaderboard

[quido]

yes I saw direct evidence of you ShowEQing numerous times as I've stated here before

[Tune]

yes I saw direct evidence of you ShowEQing numerous times as I've stated here before

haha holy shit it never ends

[vouss]

What's wrong with Jeremys leader board?

[quido]

Tune, I'm a very trustworthy individual - I wouldn't just make this stuff up. We both know the truth - just admit it to me and apologize and I'll wipe the slate clean and stop chastising you for your foul deeds.

[quido]

did I miss a kill there pal? was just between chars here

[Ragnaros]

weird I saw tune ingame today
justice has been served
welcome back

[baxters]

server pop low, game is fun, who cares.

[AzzarTheGod]

weird I saw tune ingame today
justice has been served
welcome back

yeah just saw June in-game too.








































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































http://i.imgur.com/q3qXzPw.png

[AzzarTheGod]

Tune ran buff bots using illegal programs. He high sunned named mobs into walls. He trained.

He is justifiably banned.

Also the reason for single-digit population for a full year. Constant nonstop griefing of cloth armor low 50's players trying to grind experience.

[Samsung]

June was on last nite you guys trying to hard.

[iiNGloriouS]

Remember when he dual wielded a weapon and an instrument then claimed he was just testing it

yaw

[Tune]

yaw

naw

id really like to know how u can "see" some one showeqing

also pretty hilarious how u guys think i even need to macro tradeskills

[syztem]

well with no accusations of anyone cheating etc etc. The only way someone could see you cheating is by cheating themselves, its common in FPS games like counterstrike to see other cheaters while cheating yourself. Having used MQ/SEQ on other servers in the past, I can tell you for sure some people are extremely easy to spot using similar program when in a pvp server just based on how they react, when you aren't even near by just in zone.

It all depends how you use the information you are given, Some people are stupid as shit. I think a GM like rogean or sirken one of them posted once, about some dude using SEQ or something to camp quillmane, and he B lined for it soon as it popped every time as a non tracking/pet class. and they looked into it and found he was running myseq.

[Redi]

also remove the 6 minute pvp corpse timer, and give it full duration

[Dulu]

Wipe it or release teams and merge current red into blue with every red player flagged for PvP by discord priest.

[Zemgus]

Gloinz and Vaporize were my favorite kills

http://imgur.com/a/mtAxR

[Darkone]

i agree with everything the pvp champ just said (gloinz for you confused bluebies that still play)

[Salaryman]

The server is literaly one of the last hardcore risk based pvp games that are a available.
Theres tons of people who like these type of games but dont know this one exists.
So just tell em.

[vouss]

Yeah one guild server with 0 pvp come take some risks

[Salaryman]

Yeah one guild server with 0 pvp come take some risks

I infiltrated a guild, set up the xp group with chiggen and stole the item I wanted most, then I befriended some loser for a week to steal his manastone.
Thats high risk "Player vs Player"
How many ice giants have you killed?

[Saludeen]

I infiltrated a guild, set up the xp group with chiggen and stole the item I wanted most, then I befriended some loser for a week to steal his manastone.
Thats high risk "Player vs Player"
How many ice giants have you killed?

There's no excuse to be a subhuman piece of trash just because its a game. Its within the rules of "pvp" but it reflects who you truly are even outside of the game.

[TacoSmasher]

salaryman calling people a loser lol. the room where dubous games is problably larger than any apartment youve ever lived in

[Rhuobhe]

Tune is the reason they closed the pvp gap to 4 levels. Thanks buddy.

Wipe it clean or open an new server please.

[Salaryman]

You guys are absolutely right, if your weak ass gets ninja looted ingame, ur gonna get ninja looted IRL.

[gloinz]

also remove the 6 minute pvp corpse timer, and give it full duration

Ya sullon zek handled this well - you can loot folks who are naked from pvp death kill and corpse goes poof. But definitely needs some sort of change then forcing people who die to log off most of the time... the fuck?

So we got a couple pages of unrelated bitching, and then more importantly a whole lot of agreement the box needs help. Red folks agreeing on something? What? LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN FOLKS.

To increase server pop to 500+:

Change PvP Range to +- 10, force folks to have to fight or work together or die
Add Xp Loss with PvP Death scaling based on level - This forces folks to have to grind forever, and thus makes box better. IT must be a decent xp loss for the most part if you are within 4 levels, imo, outside of that not so much.
Give Full duration to corpses killed in PvP, possibly make naked corpses lootable/poofable

Furthermore,
Consider wiping box and keeping it classic™

[dis_mornin]

naw

id really like to know how u can "see" some one showeqing

also pretty hilarious how u guys think i even need to macro tradeskills

I wouldn't go around telling people you maxed all your tradeskills the old fashion way. Tad bit embarrassing

[Stasis01]

Yeah one guild server with 0 pvp come take some risks

hahaha

[not alla]

I wouldn't go around telling people you maxed all your tradeskills the old fashion way. Tad bit embarrassing

:D

[heartbrand]

Tune is the reason they closed the pvp gap to 4 levels. Thanks buddy.

Wipe it clean or open an new server please.

Skype, Deruabel and me are the reason there's a 4 lvl gap

[derpcake]

I infiltrated a guild, set up the xp group with chiggen and stole the item I wanted most, then I befriended some loser for a week to steal his manastone.
Thats high risk "Player vs Player"
How many ice giants have you killed?

there is no risk in cheating on people on elf-sim

except you can get b&, how did that work out for you?

[Stasis01]

Playing with a guy a week and then stealing a 300k item is pretty impressive.

You are a real piece of shit. I don't know if I could have done it but maybe back in my prime I coulda.

My biggest moment was trak toothing a guy to get 8k back from a trade I made, you're on another level.

[Tradesonred]

I support this idea

And it isnt to troll and come back later to a finished off box to say lol how could you not see what was gonna happen

[Saludeen]

Playing with a guy a week and then stealing a 300k item is pretty impressive.

You are a real piece of shit. I don't know if I could have done it but maybe back in my prime I coulda.

My biggest moment was trak toothing a guy to get 8k back from a trade I made, you're on another level.

Guy accidentally traded me 3k on live before I put up the item. I decided to just keep it but still remember that and regret it because i'm not a scumbag and online morality still matters. Even though I completely agree with Sirlin's play to win.

[Bazia]

when i was 12 i pretended to do a casino at the bazaar or w/e and scammed some guy out of a 5 million bet

confessions of a ridah

[hokuten99]

90% of the posters in this thread were in empire and supported the death of the server. Pathetic.

[Bazia]

We could do all this:

Ya sullon zek handled this well - you can loot folks who are naked from pvp death kill and corpse goes poof. But definitely needs some sort of change then forcing people who die to log off most of the time... the fuck?

So we got a couple pages of unrelated bitching, and then more importantly a whole lot of agreement the box needs help. Red folks agreeing on something? What? LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN FOLKS.

To increase server pop to 500+:

Change PvP Range to +- 10, force folks to have to fight or work together or die
Add Xp Loss with PvP Death scaling based on level - This forces folks to have to grind forever, and thus makes box better. IT must be a decent xp loss for the most part if you are within 4 levels, imo, outside of that not so much.
Give Full duration to corpses killed in PvP, possibly make naked corpses lootable/poofable

Furthermore,
Consider wiping box and keeping it classic™

Or we could just wipe and add exp loss back to pvp death so people care when they died (change ruined the game)

thanks ecolfag who spammed forums for 2 years begging for it to be removed and somehow got the devs to agree

Please Rogean God make the common sense choice here

[AzzarTheGod]

Skype, Deruabel and me are the reason there's a 4 lvl gap

Tune played a huge role in the PnP, as did HB, but I personally know the exact catalyst for LNS. There was actually a major incident. I'll share a little piece of box history.

The straw that broke the camels back:


I can't tell the full story, or at least the full details as I don't want staff to make an association with anything. Names and identities will be protected.

Nobody got "griefed" exactly, it was over Mistmoore twink PvP where the killer got killed and betrayed in dramatic fashion, OOC exploded, and then the pk had a psychotic break, completely melting down after OOC ridicule and the weight of the betrayal combined with OOC just got him at the wrong time. The pk used some drastic measures to recover his corpse and butcher all 4 killers in sweet non-classic revenge.

Derubael showed up, OOC went berserk. #froze the pk after a zone chase, pk unfroze himself, continued to barrel ass away from him as OOC screamed louder, "GET HIM!!!"

Derubael fired off a second command that he probably remembered only in the heat of the moment to completely lockout the pks client and keyboard/mouse responsiveness way over in Antonica, and the pk had finally been bested.

No idea what this command is, but its definitely custom. He sat the pk down, and asked "why the pk was doing this to himself?" The pk had a long, spiteful conversation about the rules of the server, compared it to VZTZ and how none of this would have happened. And how red99 was closer to Sullon Zek which nobody liked.

The conversation exploded into OOC mid-way through, Derubael was now in OOC, the super frozen PK was in OOC, along with 25+ people now screaming in OOC. The pks last words were in all caps spamming "YOU HAVE NO LNS POLICY, YOU CAUSED THIS YOU MADE ME DO IT". Again 20 or so people exploded, some cheering, some jeering, some knew what was going on from Mistmoore, some just making loud noises.

This was new, this was unexpected. Derubael was taken aback. I can only imagine he must have gasped aloud. The PK was personally holding Derubael accountable for the crimes he was being accused of.

Derubael went silent. He had been intellectually checkmated, and he felt bad. Yellow text went off as OOC scrolled by from the onlookers and jeerers. The screen went black.

2 weeks later LNS was introduced to Red99. The PK smiled somberly to himself and winked.

The end.

[Saludeen]

Losing coin in PVP is fine though. And I know 3k doesn't sound like much but there's a threshold between good and evil despite being a gradient overall. So the importance of that choice goes beyond the game.

[Stasis01]

No ones reading that.

[AzzarTheGod]

shrug its the history of LNS and how it came about. Tune had nothing to do with it.

[Bazia]

LNS is gay, when i tell someone they are done playing the game for the day i mean it

[Dango]

Tune impacted the server hugely... are you kidding? He definitely had an impact on LnS and the level difference.

[heartbrand]

ya ppl got short memories. LnS was something I pushed for in skype and on forums as a way to make leveling easy for Red Dawn. I also got the exp loss in pvp death abolished during the same time frame and the ffa status on sol b and perma removed.

[maerilith]

ya ppl got short memories. LnS was something I pushed for in skype and on forums as a way to make leveling easy for Red Dawn. I also got the exp loss in pvp death abolished during the same time frame and the ffa status on sol b and perma removed.

No that was all me . you argued relentlessly against it until 2012

in hindsight it was a bad move all around

PvP champ was right.

[vouss]

No ones reading that.

[AzzarTheGod]

above me is a very poor person IRL. Stasis isn't exactly rolling in the dough either.

The effects of poverty on neurodevelopment speaks.

[fash]

ya ppl got short memories. LnS was something I pushed for in skype and on forums as a way to make leveling easy for Red Dawn. I also got the exp loss in pvp death abolished during the same time frame and the ffa status on sol b and perma removed.

The sense I get is that pvp was better in the earlier, classic days. LnS, exp loss in pvp, lvl 4 pvp gap, you said in this thread you've pushed for all these things. Could it be that these changes are why people prefer pvp as it was before?

[heartbrand]

exp loss was fine in classic but in kunark pre red99 crazy xp bonus meant that taking a pvp death could cost you upwards of an hour of exp

[Bazia]

people need to care if they die for a pvpserver to work

[Redi]

I infiltrated a guild, set up the xp group with chiggen and stole the item I wanted most, then I befriended some loser for a week to steal his manastone.
Thats high risk "Player vs Player"
How many ice giants have you killed?

Rolf

Salem straight weirdo farming ice giants 22 hours a day

[AzzarTheGod]

Rolf

Salem straight weirdo farming ice giants 22 hours a day

If I was doing something weird and abnormal like that I'd at least have the decency to stay off the forums.

shows what type of person he is.

[Aesop]

did all the live pvp servers that worked have all these elements or are we all just talking out our asses here?

[maerilith]

did all the live pvp servers that worked have all these elements or are we all just talking out our asses here?

Itemloot Rz was the only good PvP server in classic. And no rz was classic as fuk. not even yt. or custom resists.

[gloinz]

BOX REMAINS A BLUEBIE PARADISE

PvP on this box is a waste of time. Bluebie armies can take a PvP death and not worry about anything, proceeding to bluebify the zones they are in.

Xp loss will make PvP great again. It will make lone PvP'ers actually inflict damage on the bluebie armies they fight. Rather than just nuke a random bluebie, and then the group proceeds to pull mobs or whatever as if nothing happened.

DEATH HAPPENED FOLKS. DEATH SHOULD HURT. Make PvP great again

[Bazia]

Talking about anything other than a wipe is pointless

[Zemgus]

ya ppl got short memories. LnS was something I pushed for in skype and on forums as a way to make leveling easy for Red Dawn. I also got the exp loss in pvp death abolished during the same time frame and the ffa status on sol b and perma removed.

you are still shady after this many years, wow

[Zemgus]

Server pop is low and I believe this is due to PvP being meaningless and lengthy, as well as unbalanced with current item inflation.

I have a master's degree in PvP Champ Server Domination, and can see these systematic problems.

To increase server pop to 500+:

Change PvP Range to +- 10, force folks to have to fight or work together or die
Add Xp Loss with PvP Death scaling based on level - This forces folks to have to grind forever, and thus makes box better. IT must be a decent xp loss for the most part if you are within 4 levels, imo, outside of that not so much.

Furthermore,
Consider wiping box and keeping it classic™
Consider team server, or permanent death server, or item loot server

Discuss


just figured out my password, im gonna kill you the second you log in bluebie.

[Zemgus]

not to mention gloinz and that other fuck stick in force exploited city of mist pathing.
think he posts as barladore or something, knife party! i bet if i googled that its some kinda fag emo band.

[fiegi 8.0]

pvp CHUMP

[AzzarTheGod]

pvp CHUMP

[maerilith]

Naw. I PvP d the champ and it was fun.

[blammo]

not to mention gloinz and that other fuck stick in force exploited city of mist pathing.
think he posts as barladore or something, knife party! i bet if i googled that its some kinda fag emo band.

you played a shitty wizard in Nihilum who chain died. you seem like a freak and a loser.

[Bazia]

even the pizza guy grippin heat

[Zemgus]

you played a shitty wizard in Nihilum who chain died. you seem like a freak and a loser.

thank you =)

[Zemgus]

even the pizza guy grippin heat

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=808113&postcount=232


good times.

[magician]

y r u linking cringe posts ??

[Bazia]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=808113&postcount=232


good times.

was a simpler time when we had actual material for the forums

[Bazia]

Make that bitch a double

[Redi]

Gloinz = knife party/barladore?

[Samsung]

Gloinz = knife party/barladore?

Nope, we we're all in Force together tho and pvped together on the regular.

[Zemgus]

Gloinz = knife party/barladore?

redi in tempest? that would be cool

[Ruinous]

Hahaha, this thread is gold.

Newsflash: 90% of the server already cares if they die and religiously avoid PVP as it is.

[Bazia]

what if i told u in classic, it was not nearly as easy to avoid PVP?

and that a wipe to classic may, just may bring people back to this server to PVP

i know, iknow mind blowing concepts here

[easy_lee]

Wipe to classic, clear bans. That's all you really gotta do to bring the server back to classic pvp. If they wanted to get really fancy, they could try teams or level locks or fucking whatever, but they're honestly not necessary. We just need a reason to progress and pvp, again.

[Bazia]

Wipe to classic, clear bans. That's all you really gotta do to bring the server back to classic pvp. If they wanted to get really fancy, they could try teams or level locks or fucking whatever, but they're honestly not necessary. We just need a reason to progress and pvp, again.

well said

[maerilith]

what if i told u in classic, it was not nearly as easy to avoid PVP?

and that a wipe to classic may, just may bring people back to this server to PVP

i know, iknow mind blowing concepts here

red pill ftw

http://i.imgur.com/KVH5I7H.png
http://i.imgur.com/AbiiPPn.png

[Ragnaros]

rogain letting it rot he dont care

[Ruinous]

Someone get in touch with Rogaine and find out just how much it would take financially to motivate him to open a new server for us.

We could do it Kickstarter style.

If we reach the goal, we get a new server that's a copy of R99 starting from scratch.

Or fuck, there's gotta be some millionaire neckbeard out there that could bribe him to give up the source code.

[syztem]

Not enough gms to deal with how many cry babies red and blue have. Petitioning over stupid little stuff all day long, blue fte and camp skirmishes alone would drive any gm nuts. Now the shit ppl pull on red...It's no wonder they won't do more then restores and basic gm stuff

[Ragnaros]

Someone get in touch with Rogaine and find out just how much it would take financially to motivate him to open a new server for us.

We could do it Kickstarter style.

If we reach the goal, we get a new server that's a copy of R99 starting from scratch.

Or fuck, there's gotta be some millionaire neckbeard out there that could bribe him to give up the source code.

goog idea

[not alla]

pvp CHUMP

GOT EM! Time for a victory dance:

http://i.imgur.com/4307jw7.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

rogain letting it rot he dont care

best show some respek 4 daddy gean or ill bust ur melon

[Ragnaros]

only thing bein busted is my nut in ur mouth

[HippoNipple]

Not enough gms to deal with how many cry babies red and blue have. Petitioning over stupid little stuff all day long, blue fte and camp skirmishes alone would drive any gm nuts. Now the shit ppl pull on red...It's no wonder they won't do more then restores and basic gm stuff

Devnoob servers have a NPC that will summon rotted corpses for you. Why can't the GMs figure something that simple out here and implement it so they don't have to do it manually? How many hours are spent on meaningless crap that could be automated?

Take out PnP and set up rules that don't need as much policing. Even things like ninja looting shouldn't be policed for guilds. If your entire guild is out played that is their fault. Have an officer in the main DPS group and take care of shit on your own. This community relies too much on GMs to solve things for them and it ends up having a negative effect.

GMs should handle only a few things like group ninja looting, boxing, showeq, and training and I wouldn't mind training even being legal on the next box just to reduce /petitions.

[Fame]

FIRING MAIN CANNON

[fiegi 8.0]

GOT EM! Time for a victory dance:

http://i.imgur.com/4307jw7.gif

GOTEM

[Danien]

I remember when I was hyped for discord.

[Tradesonred]

We could do all this:



Or we could just wipe and add exp loss back to pvp death so people care when they died (change ruined the game)

thanks ecolfag who spammed forums for 2 years begging for it to be removed and somehow got the devs to agree

Please Rogean God make the common sense choice here

off-hours pop was single digit when they finally decided to remove it (too late)

















(dipshit)

[Bazia]

yeh wurked gr8 u aint a useless retard with terrible ideas

[AzzarTheGod]

off-hours pop was single digit when they finally decided to remove it (too late)














(dipshit)


this isn't call of duty u dum ass

[Fame]

Tbh I loved logging on when there was 9 players

Felt like being number 10 mattered

Maybe more would log on if we had double digits online

My life had a purpose then

They were better times

[Hamburgalur]

Wipe server

Add pok books to classic, easier travelling allows players to play in same zone easier.

3-5x exp rates, promotes more characters to create and ties everyone in who plays here to be in same lvl range.

Save spell lists.

Exp loss on death in pvp, don't really care for this but don't think its bad with high rates.

All coin and 1 item for pvp loot, for the glory of pvp.

This is the classic experience eq should be.

[gloinz]

Hahaha, this thread is gold.

Newsflash: 90% of the server already cares if they die and religiously avoid PVP as it is.

Yes this is true.
However the problem is even PK's don't even want to take the time to kill them because it doesn't do anything. Shits boring as fuck and the box needs an Adrenaline shot to the heart.

So you got bluebie's already avoiding PvP, being hard to kill. And then you got PvP'ers who realize PKing the bluebie's doesn't do anything and is boring as shit, especially since they plug 9/10 times. So the PK's give up, as seen by the box pop where it is at, and a bluebie paradise evolves, as seen by the current state of the box.

[Crypodosktorr]

Don't mind Gloinz Jr. He joined Nilly and sucked on the Dukes cock much, followed by an Rmt

[maerilith]

nvm Crypodosktorr keep trying :D I'm sure you'll hit forumquest gold one day.

[Bazia]

stop killing every thread with trannyquest ty

[maerilith]

http://i.imgur.com/a3nnyEd.png

I didn't really kill this thread, it was already dead when crypto posted.

I just ensure'd it's final 100% death.

Gloinz makes a valid point. No one really argued it a few angry people posted ITT about how sad they are to see the death of EQpvp.

Maybe one day mspaintquest will inspire new generations.

The yellow and red skittles are my favorite.

[Saludeen]

Wipe server

Add pok books to classic, easier travelling allows players to play in same zone easier.

3-5x exp rates, promotes more characters to create and ties everyone in who plays here to be in same lvl range.

Save spell lists.

Exp loss on death in pvp, don't really care for this but don't think its bad with high rates.

All coin and 1 item for pvp loot, for the glory of pvp.

This is the classic experience eq should be.

This.

[Saludeen]

Someone get in touch with Rogaine and find out just how much it would take financially to motivate him to open a new server for us.

We could do it Kickstarter style.

If we reach the goal, we get a new server that's a copy of R99 starting from scratch.

Or fuck, there's gotta be some millionaire neckbeard out there that could bribe him to give up the source code.

Actually thats a good idea. The only thing red99 needs is population. Alot of people either forgot about EQ entirely (who would play on red), or just don't know p99 exists. If there was a kickstarter and some exposure with a fresh server i'm sure alot would join. Especially people who missed out on PVP during live.

[Nirgon]

miss da champ and his D2 hardcore screen shot stories

don't make em like dey used 2

the old ones are the good ones, the risk and reward gets your blood pumpin' in ways a modern title just can't

[bubur]

Wipe server

Add pok books to classic, easier travelling allows players to play in same zone easier.

3-5x exp rates, promotes more characters to create and ties everyone in who plays here to be in same lvl range.

Save spell lists.

Exp loss on death in pvp, don't really care for this but don't think its bad with high rates.

All coin and 1 item for pvp loot, for the glory of pvp.

This is the classic experience eq should be.


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...is Zek u dingus. Cept the xp loss. Even without it ppl were avoiding pvp. Don't know why anyone would think xp loss encourages pvp. Ppl just camp and plug more and it sux ass for everyone.

Anyway, u should prolly head over to zek and see how active it is

[HippoNipple]

This



...is Zek u dingus. Cept the xp loss. Even without it ppl were avoiding pvp. Don't know why anyone would think xp loss encourages pvp. Ppl just camp and plug more and it sux ass for everyone.

Anyway, u should prolly head over to zek and see how active it is

You are asking why losing exp encourages PvP because you default to being the loser. Making others lose exp is what encourages the PvP.

[Bazia]

me: buy D3 -> log in multiplayer server - see a monk named gloinz - think funny coincidence - watch gloinz drag monsters to kill all the other players afk in town - laugh ass off - uninstall D3

[bubur]

You are asking why losing exp encourages PvP because you default to being the loser. Making others lose exp is what encourages the PvP.

Maybe bud, but assuming 50% of participants in a fight sequence end up losing exp, they will be quicker to assume retreat tactics the next time

But wut do I know, ppl plug even without xp loss

[HippoNipple]

Maybe bud, but assuming 50% of participants in a fight sequence end up losing exp, they will be quicker to assume retreat tactics the next time

But wut do I know, ppl plug even without xp loss

The point is people plug and run at first contact right now anyways. PvPers quit because they get nothing out of killing people. Allowing the satisfaction of grief at least gives the PvPer something.

[bubur]

Wut about xp gain for pvp? Pretty exploitable tho

[AzzarTheGod]

lol this isn't Mass Effect u stupid shits.

hope Rogean just delets the server for ur disrespect

[bubur]

Thx 4 comment

[Jimjam]

What is the benefit to me in making others lose xp?

[AzzarTheGod]

Thx 4 comment

now fuck off and go back to xbox 360

[Ruinous]

Re-enabling xp loss on pvp death is sure to drive this server back down to single digit population. People don't come over here from blue because pvp deaths are already too much of an inconvenience for them on a server where you can go days to weeks at a time without finding xp groups.

So, what, because the server is already dying to attrition, we should flip the switch and make it more enjoyable for those that remain to finish killing it off?

[Danien]

Bringing back xp-loss isn't gonna change shit.

I'd love for it to be returned, but that in itself isn't a big enough of a pull to bring people back. No consequence pvp is boring.

The only thing that could momentarily respark the glory of a classic pvp server is a wipe, though sadly that seems out of the picture.

[iiNGloriouS]

naw

id really like to know how u can "see" some one showeqing

also pretty hilarious how u guys think i even need to macro tradeskills
Youre dumb if thats youre best argument.

Same thing as botting, i do it in other because we want the benefits but dont wanna sit there clicking for hours on end.

[EatitNerd]

OP is a moron, as it reflects in his signature and posts here.

[gloinz]

The point is people plug and run at first contact right now anyways. PvPers quit because they get nothing out of killing people. Allowing the satisfaction of grief at least gives the PvPer something.

Exactly. All the motherfucking PK's and PvP'ers have no reason to go slay anyone. No item loot, no xp loss... etc.

Bluebie paradise has taken hold on the server

[maerilith]

#slayedgloinzinCoM

[Aesop]

That's bullshit you guys are so full of shit. Griefers can still get all kinds of satisfaction without exp loss.

Go back to being miserable all alone

[Bazia]

Decided you were a faggot when you used the term "Griefers" instead of PVPers

[notinmyname]

That's bullshit you guys are so full of shit. Griefers can still get all kinds of satisfaction without exp loss.

Go back to being miserable all alone

Kill bluebirds to save their souls

[Jeni]

That's bullshit you guys are so full of shit. Griefers can still get all kinds of satisfaction without exp loss.

Go back to being miserable all alone

This is so true, I still have a great experience every time I log into the world of Norrath.

[HippoNipple]

That's bullshit you guys are so full of shit. Griefers can still get all kinds of satisfaction without exp loss.

Go back to being miserable all alone

It also isn't just about the satisfaction of griefing, it is about risking something. If you are scared to risk exp for a camp then it adds another dynamic. Right now you can just throw yourself into any situation with no consequences. PvP with no risk of loss is a watered down system.

If you had consequences in the game for death then people would defend people more often and the game has more meaning. On RZ live PvPers were basically villains because the consequences were so steep. Exp loss is minor and it's sad this server can't handle some sort of consequence when it is free and an emulator full of players that know how the game works.

[Jimjam]

You risk losing time recovering, you risk losing the camp you are fighting over, you risk losing reputation, a potential friend, buffs you are wearing, any items your pet is carrying, any consumables used in your failed attempt.

You might consider pvp to have insufficient risk of loss, but it is not correct to say there is pvp with no risk of loss here.

[Saludeen]

There needs to be risk AND reward, not just one. And they need to be relatively balanced because "griefing satisfaction" isn't rewarding enough to be worth the risk of losing exp, and thus encourages people to avoid PVP. But if you could loot coins + an item then it would be worth it.

And changing the mechanics won't save the server, assuming that means increasing the population. Since a server is dead if nobody plays. Improving the mechanics may help, but the only thing that will bring more people is advertising. The people who aren't playing on the server either don't know about it, or they have assumptions about PVP and Everquest or simply don't like it. You can't force people who don't like it to play, but you can definitely bring new people in. I simply don't care enough to advertise for this server though. But you could do it anywhere like on twitch, forums, a bumper sticker, whatever.

[HippoNipple]

You risk losing time recovering, you risk losing the camp you are fighting over, you risk losing reputation, a potential friend, buffs you are wearing, any items your pet is carrying, any consumables used in your failed attempt.

You might consider pvp to have insufficient risk of loss, but it is not correct to say there is pvp with no risk of loss here.

The risk of losing time is a joke, everyone loses time the second they decide to log in this game. You need to move backwards for losing, not just staying even longer.

[Syncmasterpen]

interesting thread

[Zyzzerzazz]

Roll in Luclin, server will boom overnight. Will be fun for a while.

[AzzarTheGod]

Roll in Luclin, server will boom overnight. Will be fun for a while.

We tried that. Launched a massive Luclin campaign and push.

The vocal minority came out of the woodwork despite polls favoring Luclin. I suggested to char-copy an additional sever so people don't who don't want to play Luclin don't have to.

Ultimately nillbog isn't motivated to work on Luclin as he didn't enjoy it. Haynar does work on it for other servers, but its probably not going to happen under the p99 brand.

[Videri]

if you could loot coins + an item then it would be worth it.

This sounds intimidating and exhilarating.

How often do people create EQ emu servers? Do we think someone will make an item loot PVP server sometime soon? It would be cool to see how it goes.

Honestly, I would bet the interested audience would be a smaller pool than that of Red99, but I could be wrong. Maybe if the PvP scene on such a server was hot enough, it would exceed Red's population.

[HippoNipple]

This sounds intimidating and exhilarating.

How often do people create EQ emu servers? Do we think someone will make an item loot PVP server sometime soon? It would be cool to see how it goes.

Honestly, I would bet the interested audience would be a smaller pool than that of Red99, but I could be wrong. Maybe if the PvP scene on such a server was hot enough, it would exceed Red's population.

Red99 is the only server that can pull the numbers and have credibility so everyone is at their mercy as far as the rules. They will never make an item loot server. Red99 is the same as the zerg guild that everyone hates but no one can challenge and defeat.

[Beethoven]

This forces folks to have to grind forever
Discuss

Sorry, you lost most of the population right there

[Darkone]

annual wipes is the way 2 do it, anyone caring about their imaginary elfsim items need professional help and a wipe would be something to trigger em to go get said help

do these grown bearded social rejects a favor, #wipeitclean2016

[Ragnaros]

annual wipes is the way 2 do it, anyone caring about their imaginary elfsim items need professional help and a wipe would be something to trigger em to go get said help

do these grown bearded social rejects a favor, #wipeitclean2016i agree with u dr smedy

[georgie]

WIPE IT CLEAN EST. 2012

[LostCause]

they will never wipe red.

now a new server is more likely in the future.


velious has not even been out a year yet give it some time.

[Bazia]

no more time needed for tune to dress up additional goblins on empty ass server

[krazyGlue]

They should open a teams server that wipes every 6 months by its self . ( not triggered by staff because we would wait years for them to do it ) and that server would thrive and create lots of donations for rogeans llc

[Ruinous]

This sounds intimidating and exhilarating.

How often do people create EQ emu servers? Do we think someone will make an item loot PVP server sometime soon? It would be cool to see how it goes.

Honestly, I would bet the interested audience would be a smaller pool than that of Red99, but I could be wrong. Maybe if the PvP scene on such a server was hot enough, it would exceed Red's population.

I've always been biased towards item loot because of playing on Rallos when it first opened, but honestly, having seen how small the remaining PvP community is for this game, and how many people avoid PvP here even without risk of item loss because of the time lost due to CRs alone, I'd say the interested player base would be pretty small.

Rallos worked because of the multifaceted community, with pks, neuts, and anti pkers offering a little something for every play style. There just aren't enough players left to recreate that same social dynamic.

The only way I think an item loot server would work would be either a Discord ruleset server with perma death, quick xp, full item loot and a consistent wipe cycle in place, or a regular PoP-era PvP server with item loot enabled. I think the abundance of PvE content coupled with the AA system in place to keep players of all walks interested in bettering their character past max level would draw a fair crowd.

[Ruinous]

that server would thrive and create lots of donations for rogeans llc

I can't get a reply from Rogaine about getting behind using kickstarter to fund and incentivize him financially to launch a new PvP server, so I can't imagine it's coming down to money at this point.

I just really, really hope that one day, when they are done working on these servers, they release the source and database so that other people can host servers based off of the hard work that went into p99's accuracy. But I doubt it'll happen.

[Tradesonred]

It also isn't just about the satisfaction of griefing, it is about risking something. If you are scared to risk exp for a camp then it adds another dynamic. Right now you can just throw yourself into any situation with no consequences. PvP with no risk of loss is a watered down system.

If you had consequences in the game for death then people would defend people more often and the game has more meaning. On RZ live PvPers were basically villains because the consequences were so steep. Exp loss is minor and it's sad this server can't handle some sort of consequence when it is free and an emulator full of players that know how the game works.

Losing xp is much, much harsher than losing one piece of gear. On RZ i would basically wear nothing but no drop and looting bods often gave out nothing. "Steep consequences" You dont know what the fuck youre talking about. Being relatively new (i joined server in early velious), i was a bit less squishy wearing 8-9 pieces of no drop gained through events against hard twinks and i could try to fight em, three, five times if i wanted without losing much more than time (which is still some kind of consequence). Regular No drop events would be key to make a loot drop server work. Exp loss doesnt make people wanna fight back when they get crushed by a zerg 10v3. It makes them log off. This is exactly what happened here. I think its funny to see people not being able to remember thats the reason the server dipped into single digit pop and population rose again when Rogean took it off. Its clear as day. Or theyre just trying to troll the staff into one last grief-o-rama before they ditch the game. Or its a laughable Bazia/Chewy im-a-manly-man-man-xploss-gives-you-hair-on-your-chest-Id-rather-have-a-twentypop-server appeal.

Xp loss also tips the scales way too much in favor of people who already know the ins and out of EQ combat. It gives less EQ-familiar crews (which incidently are often the ones getting beat on by better players with better numbers) no room to practice pvp. What is there to do when youre in crushbone and theres an unbeatable twink who makes you eat xp loss repeatedly? At least with no xp loss you can practice pvp. What risk is there when youre a fungi-wearing rogue in unrest with an epic? More often than not, you wont die and kill rag-wearing newb xp groups. Losing gear moves most of the risk to the twinks.

[AzzarTheGod]

Losing xp is much, much harsher than losing one piece of gear. On RZ i would basically wear nothing but no drop and looting bods often gave out nothing. "Steep consequences" You dont know what the fuck youre talking about. Being relatively new (i joined server in early velious), i was a bit less squishy wearing 8-9 pieces of no drop gained through events against hard twinks and i could try to fight em, three, five times if i wanted without losing much more than time (which is still some kind of consequence). Regular No drop events would be key to make a loot drop server work. Exp loss doesnt make people wanna fight back when they get crushed by a zerg 10v3. It makes them log off. This is exactly what happened here. I think its funny to see people not being able to remember thats the reason the server dipped into single digit pop and population rose again when Rogean took it off. Its clear as day. Or theyre just trying to troll the staff into one last grief-o-rama before they ditch the game. Or its a laughable Bazia/Chewy im-a-manly-man-man-xploss-gives-you-hair-on-your-chest-Id-rather-have-a-twentypop-server appeal.

Xp loss also tips the scales way too much in favor of people who already know the ins and out of EQ combat. It gives less EQ-familiar crews (which incidently are often the ones getting beat on by better players with better numbers) no room to practice pvp. What is there to do when youre in crushbone and theres an unbeatable twink who makes you eat xp loss repeatedly? At least with no xp loss you can practice pvp. What risk is there when youre a fungi-wearing rogue in unrest with an epic? More often than not, you wont die and kill rag-wearing newb xp groups. Losing gear moves most of the risk to the twinks.

lol this isn't gears of war dude.

get lost n fuck off back to console.

[Tradesonred]

lol this isn't gears of war dude.

get lost n fuck off back to console.

lol this isnt call of duty

Last console i owned was a SNES

[Kerwin]

rz was great

even in velious every newb zone was full of pvp and we did it with no drop gear, item loot is a great solution

looted a fungi outside of crushbone, so goog, cant make memories like that here

[AzzarTheGod]

rz was great

even in velious every newb zone was full of pvp and we did it with no drop gear, item loot is a great solution

looted a fungi outside of crushbone, so goog, cant make memories like that here

lol p99 isn't tom clancys rainbow six

take your memory of rz n fuck off back to pills

[heartbrand]

Exp Loss would be fine on a high pop server, but on a low pop wasteland it's unacceptable.

[LostCause]

would see more pvp if you gained like 10% xp per pvp kill.


not classic tho.

[georgie]

only thing classic on this server is most of the pve content. that's literally it

[Kerwin]

lol isn't tom clancys rainbow six

take your memory of rz n fuck off back to pills

who are you?

[Saludeen]

would see more pvp if you gained like 10% xp per pvp kill.


not classic tho.

Really wish developers would jump on that and make an MMO where you can only level from PVP.

[Tassador]

who are you?

It tickles my pickle to know you still put hours into this game.

[Kerwin]

It tickles my pickle to know you still put hours into this game.

maybe 4 hrs a week? ya im immersed

[Tassador]

I am getting some disturbing reports that your power leveling schemes and playing 24/7 again.

[Drakaris]

You didn't get it all back and you definitely cheated, Tune - I saw it. There's not a single doubt among any of the people who know you.

The leaked Gm logs indicate otherwise. Derupal seemed to think tune was a mastermind hacker and coded variation into a macro. No proof of this other than the fact tune had maxed out his tradeskills. The guy was just ocd. Same way he farmed his way to the top of the leaderboard.

Ur pretty dumb to think otherwise. Next you will say he macrod his way to the top of the leaderboard.

Jeremy / Quido got fat in his brain cells.

[quido]

Tune got there with 18 actual hours of playtime a day - not the joking kind

still cheated tho

[Slathar]

Tune cheated by using illegal 3rd party programs, training and RMTing


now he's the guild leader of Tempest

[AzzarTheGod]

Tune cheated by using illegal 3rd party programs, training and RMTing


now he's the guild leader of Tempest

[georgie]

pras

[Ragnaros]

Tune cheated by using illegal 3rd party programs, training and RMTing


now he's the guild leader of Tempest

you gonna do something about it u fuck?

[Gustoo]

I heard there was an item loot server inc fast.

I loved winning in discord but lets just run a classic timeline classic rallos zek server.

[AenorVZ]

They will never make an item loot server.

Says who? Nilbog wants to do item loot for science.

[Zemgus]

What is the benefit to me in making others lose xp?

i fell asleep on my druid one day and came back 4 levels lower, trust me you learn.

[Zemgus]

The leaked Gm logs indicate otherwise. Derupal seemed to think tune was a mastermind hacker and coded variation into a macro. No proof of this other than the fact tune had maxed out his tradeskills. The guy was just ocd. Same way he farmed his way to the top of the leaderboard.

Ur pretty dumb to think otherwise. Next you will say he macrod his way to the top of the leaderboard.

Jeremy / Quido got fat in his brain cells.

just imagine if tune and salem were friends, tune and beastagor running around would prolly slaughter everyone.

[jestingoff02]

probably 100+ people banned for silly stuff

just sayin
^^^^ unban everyone we served our time

[jestingoff02]

not to mention gloinz and that other fuck stick in force exploited city of mist pathing.
think he posts as barladore or something, knife party! i bet if i googled that its some kinda fag emo band.

Knife party is from deftones?

[Smedy]

solution for box

everyone bind yourself in ocean of tears

lets fight all day no zone lines

[heartbrand]

love fighting people with shadow step in OOT

[gloinz]

da champ sees the systematic issues dawgs

need emergency chancellor powers to save the box

[georgie]

u forgot about being followed by bard, check

[vouss]

you gonna do something about it u fuck?

Miguel Friends Drybone Tempest Iceclad Ocean March 17 2016 2:33:03 AM

[heartbrand]

Quoting five month old kills in response to three month old forum posts. Going to give that five stern cringes.

[fiegi 8.0]

lol

[Nirgon]

Quoting five month old kills in response to three month old forum posts. Going to give that five stern cringes.

got 5 more right here

[vouss]

http://i.imgur.com/LfZSYLs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EYHSUya.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zoxCWv7.jpg

[gloinz]

bump for noble health of server.

Gentlemen I look around these forums and I see a mass of nerds, ready to play the box.

With emergency vice admiral chancellor powers, the pvp champ can restore the red server to its glory with an optimal ruleset as posted earlier in the thread, and reposted below.

o increase server pop to 500+:

Change PvP Range to +- 10, force folks to have to fight or work together or die
Add Xp Loss with PvP Death scaling based on level - This forces folks to have to grind forever, and thus makes box better. IT must be a decent xp loss for the most part if you are within 4 levels, imo, outside of that not so much.

Furthermore,
Consider wiping box and keeping it classic™
Consider team server, or permanent death server, or item loot server

Discuss
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[AzzarTheGod]

we been there we done did it after 17 years going hammers.

1)we are not ready to play
2)the forums are not indicative of interest
3)interest in a new box has waned as other game options entered the market
4)less people than ever are interested
5)played in the game like john madden already
6)discord was cancelled for a reason
7)pvp teams has no release date for a reason

discussion closed.

[Rhuobhe]

Civilization 6 out in less than 60 days. But yeah I would like to play but not during the Apocalypse99

[Farzo]

Civilization 6 out in less than 60 days. But yeah I would like to play but not during the Apocalypse99

Good man! Looking forward to Civ6 too

Have you heard of Mount & Blade: Warband?

I had to delete the game off my computer it was so addictive if you're into RPG/Tactics games.

[AzzarTheGod]

can u provide some examples? videogame market as i see it is a soul sucking desert right now

id play a fresh vanilla wow server if it was big and i could get in on it on release day

isn't there a new deus ex dropping. civ 6. WoW legion is getting a run even for a few weeks. etc.

ded99 has never looked more unappealing.

Final Fantasy 15? kingsglaive?

[Rhuobhe]

i don't get being hyped for a fresh-released firaxis game. Civ 6 out in 60 days sure, but 90% probability it will not be worth playtime for another 2 yrs.

I'll pirate it then.

Are you freebasing or what? It's Civilization. Probably one of those that started playing the series with Civ5

[AzzarTheGod]

Are you freebasing or what? It's Civilization. Probably one of those that started playing the series with Civ5

awaiting reply.

[yyrkoon]

ded99 has never looked more unappealing.

and yet u post here every single day

[AzzarTheGod]

and yet u post here every single day

a few quality posters that keep the forum community going (outside of the ded99 forums)

u wanna be one of the large fish in a small pond?

[hurtinu]

Winter is coming....

Should be a lot of people coming back at the end of summer, now would be the time to do something. I was late joining the server so I went through the griefing by better geared toons, I think this did cause a lot of people to quit the server.

No clue what would make more people play, I just know I am happy there is still a pvp eq server to play on when I get the itch.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Server is dead and in OCT. Zek 2.0 starts. Lots of bros gonna be on that shit pvping for shits and giggles

[LayedOut]

Epidemic is recruiting. Pvp every single day idk why y'all talking about

[Tassador]

78 players currently playing Everquest.

[Tassador]

Update 80 players currently on Everquest. Anyone thinking of getting Dallas skill players on fantasy now that Tony is out?

[Rushmore]

Update 80 players currently on Everquest. Anyone thinking of getting Dallas skill players on fantasy now that Tony is out?

most people thinking that way maybe you can get that rookie RB or some of there other skill players late in the draft