One solution to merge blue and red

[Trungep99]

Since red is low population, transfer the server to blue, have them tagged with pvp aka priest of discord book automatically turned in upon transfer.
This will allow for blue players to consider playing red and vise versa. That way aftermath and awakened can go red for raids too hah.
And with the extra server they can make the next upcoming server.

[heartbrand]

I support this

[jtlightner]

Funny, I was thinking exact same thing last few days. I have moved from Red99 to Blue99, hate to see all my time over there "wasted" with a server that is essentially dead.

I think the problem you will run into is that people like me on Red that have moved to Blue there will be some assistance needed by the staff to help us "merge" our accounts.

Two possible ways to approach this.

1.) Allow only about two characters to be merged into Blue (must be tagged with Discord)
2.) If the owner has characters on two accounts they must choose which set of characters to keep in its entirety for merging.

[feanan]

Hopefully they would announce this beforehand, so I can go run a few more characters to 60 with the 600% exp bonus, plus gear out those toons will all the free loot that red gets, since nobody really plays there.

And than transfer it all back to blue. win!

[jtlightner]

Hopefully they would announce this beforehand, so I can go run a few more characters to 60 with the 600% exp bonus, plus gear out those toons will all the free loot that red gets, since nobody really plays there.

And than transfer it all back to blue. win!

And this is probably the best reason to only allow one or two characters to transfer over max instead of a whole account move from Red to Blue. Basically your advantage of additional EXP is somewhat negated since you can only move one or two characters.

Plus, try leveling on a PvP server with little population and you will get the sense that the additional EXP isn't really all that big of an advantage. Even when you would get groups they would normally get wrecked. Also, camp spawns weren't protected like it is on rule lawyering blue. Only the strong survive.

Edit: Grammar and spelling.

[Izmael]

I don't know about merging the whole Red user base, but... allowing a one-way transfer from Red to Blue would certainly make sense.

The Exp bonus on Red isn't really a factor because, remember, no Chardok AE'ing on Red, and it's not like you can waltz to your favorite exp zone and expect to find a group most of the time.

[Izmael]

Who cares though? It's not like you win the game because you have the most platinum. IMO you win the game if you have the most fun.

[jtlightner]

That reads as "I have items stored to sell later and don't want to see their value reduced"

I will not be rich on Blue even if I transfer two characters over Swish. I started in "September 2015" when this forum account says I joined. I have roughly 15K plat, and about 20K plat of gear on my main. Some people might be filthy rich coming over, not I good sir.

[Redi]

please let me merge my red toons to blue

reds ded

[isoka]

If that ever happens, make red manastones no drop then

[Izmael]

Just disallow transfer of characters that have manastones so as to not to mess up Blue economy.

[fadetree]

Who cares though? It's not like you win the game because you have the most platinum. IMO you win the game if you have the most fun.

Burn in heck, infidel.

[Redi]

"OMG SOMEONE HAS AN ITEM I DON'T HAVE THEREFORE THEY SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO JOIN SERVER AS IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS MY GAMEPLAY"

cringe

[derpcake]

something as fragile and well balanced as the blue economy not be meddled with

not like its already a few 100% oversaturated, right

can totally see the 1200 manastones from the 90 red players left destroy the economy

[Thulack]

Who cares though? It's not like you win the game because you have the most platinum. IMO you win the game if you have the most fun.

Youre new here ;)

[Thulack]

"OMG SOMEONE HAS AN ITEM I DON'T HAVE THEREFORE THEY SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO JOIN SERVER AS IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS MY GAMEPLAY"

cringe

Rather not have all the Blue rejects that went to red coming back to blue lol

[Loke]

"OMG SOMEONE HAS AN ITEM I DON'T HAVE THEREFORE THEY SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO JOIN SERVER AS IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS MY GAMEPLAY"

cringe

Wasn't this the exact argument red players were making when blue players proposed blue to red transfers? I seem to remember pretty much every prominent forumquester from red saying that transfers should only be allowed with no gear.

[Tewaz]

This is a great solution for nothing. Red players hate blue servers and would just quit. What is the point of standing in line for pixels? I'm down with this idea if all level 56-60's on blue are tagged discord.

[mropey]

What's wrong with moving entire accounts? It would be easier that way.

Looks like someone wants the blue pill.

[jtlightner]

Actually just wipe Red and let it restart fresh.

Make it a yearly wipe.

[fadetree]

The reason Red has low pop is because people don't want to play EQ PvP. End of story. There is no other reason, and there's no way to fix it. I personally don't care what happens to Red, but I say no to bringing characters over.

[Izmael]

Youre new here ;)

Please, teach me how to play Everquest, will you.

[Thulack]

Please, teach me how to play Everquest, will you.

First you goto Daybreak.com and download EQ if you want to play everquest. P99 is for Pixel obsessed people and people trying to relive 15 years ago.

[Izmael]

Pity reply.

Regardless, we need referendum for a BREDGE (Blue RED merGE).

[Ivory]

Nooo, keep red where it is!! Their population is really toxic!! Red is like the voluntary prison colony of everquest..... basically Qeynos.

We could really use another blue (green!) server though :3

[Thulack]

Yea about 1% of the red pop would like this. Id quit before playing on blue. Eq with pvp is pointless.

ftfy

[Trungep99]

The reason Red has low pop is because people don't want to play EQ PvP. End of story. There is no other reason, and there's no way to fix it. I personally don't care what happens to Red, but I say no to bringing characters over.

To fix it is my idea of having both servers merge and let people utilize priest of discord

People should be utilizing it more anyways but haven't been.

[Tewaz]

You don't understand the purpose of pvp apparently. If a discord player enters Sebillis and sees a group fighting Fungi King, they can't run down and fight those people off the mob if they aren't discord flag. This makes it absolutely pointless.

[Zuranthium]

Red characters should be moved to blue just for the sole purpose of not deleting the characters. Red server needs to be restarted and have much different game coding.

[Jimjam]

You don't understand the purpose of pvp apparently. If a discord player enters Sebillis and sees a group fighting Fungi King, they can't run down and fight those people off the mob if they aren't discord flag. This makes it absolutely pointless.

Is there a lot of beating off other players in Sebillis on the red server as it stands?

[Brut]

Wipe it clean, make a red99 that doesn't leave classic era with current mechanics and fixes. Problems solved.

[Colgate]

I don't know about merging the whole Red user base, but... allowing a one-way transfer from Red to Blue would certainly make sense.

The Exp bonus on Red isn't really a factor because, remember, no Chardok AE'ing on Red, and it's not like you can waltz to your favorite exp zone and expect to find a group most of the time.

umm yea you can definitely AoE chardok on red

[Loke]

The reason Red has low pop is because people don't want to play EQ PvP. End of story.

I actually disagree. EQ PvP could be a lot of fun, the player base on red just ruins it. I leveled a cleric to 60 on red when I was bored last year and the entire time I was there I only saw cool group PvP once. The rest of the time it was epic rogs and t-staff monks hanging around popular zones looking to gank undergeared / lower level characters. We went to the hole once to get away from the popular zones and had a factioned wizard sit around and only attack us when we'd engage mobs. Same thing happened in chardok with another factioned character. Went to CoM once and there were multiple wizards sitting up on the catwalks nuking groups below.

Red sucks because their community is actively trying to destory itself. They would rather get some lulz from griefing someone than expand their community. Even after I decided to play the guild game hoping that would be more interesting, the people on that server just suck. I literally had some guy from the guild I app'd to ask me to help him gank my own exp group, and then get mad that I wouldn't. Sorry I didn't want to help some rando I just met kill the people I had been leveling with for multiple levels.

My point being, EQ PvP could be a lot of fun, the player base of red just ruined it for their short term ammusement.

[Rang]

Loke hit the nail on the head - wipe it clean

[Whirled]

Most players have considered red and found much better elsewhere. #closethread2016

[EQBallzz]

I actually disagree. EQ PvP could be a lot of fun, the player base on red just ruins it. I leveled a cleric to 60 on red when I was bored last year and the entire time I was there I only saw cool group PvP once. The rest of the time it was epic rogs and t-staff monks hanging around popular zones looking to gank undergeared / lower level characters. We went to the hole once to get away from the popular zones and had a factioned wizard sit around and only attack us when we'd engage mobs. Same thing happened in chardok with another factioned character. Went to CoM once and there were multiple wizards sitting up on the catwalks nuking groups below.

Red sucks because their community is actively trying to destory itself. They would rather get some lulz from griefing someone than expand their community. Even after I decided to play the guild game hoping that would be more interesting, the people on that server just suck. I literally had some guy from the guild I app'd to ask me to help him gank my own exp group, and then get mad that I wouldn't. Sorry I didn't want to help some rando I just met kill the people I had been leveling with for multiple levels.

My point being, EQ PvP could be a lot of fun, the player base of red just ruined it for their short term ammusement.

Well said but isn't that the case for 98% of PvP games? Every PvP game I have played usually results in either griefing or some form of zerging. It's always a rare thing when you have an evenly matched PvP event that isn't structured PvP like arenas or battlegrounds.

Open world PvP just blows because there are always too many people who put their own personal amusement above all else or the prevailing strategy is just to use overwhelming numbers so your opponent has no chance. In PvP winning > *.

[myriverse]

It's not just the R99 player base. EQ PVP has always been unpopular. That's classic.

[lowner411]

The best PvP game I ever played was Darktide on Asheron's Call. Completely open PvP, any level vs. any level, became guild v. guild. Unfortunately, the "evil" guild, which ganked anyone they wanted and prevented people from leveling up, beat the "peace" guild which wanted to defend the newbies--in part because the former spent more time levelling and the latter spent time running round defending the newbie areas. I saw the same thing on Sullon Zek, as the "evil" side just levelled, and the "good" and "neutral" defended.

Whatever you think of it (and I never played it) I think this is what DAOC wanted to eliminate--create areas and rewards for PvP, and areas for those who just want to level.

There are only a limited number of players who count achievement as victory over other players, and a limited number of players that accept that getting beat down is a part of PvP. It's significant that there are sometimes more players sitting in EC on blue selling stuff than playing Red.

So, ironically, the best way to get more players on Red, is to open another Blue. Get more people playing P1999 in total, then there will be more people to fill that small percentage who want to play a PvP server, maybe enough to make a viable server.

That, and force more than 1 or 2 guild dominance. Either force teams, or my preference, restrict guild size.

[radda]

I'm in for blue raiding to be pvp

[Colgate]

of course you can, never happens though

just takes 1 group of non retards with a factioned puller

we did it a lot in kunark in empire, we've also AoE'd down plane of fear before

[Teako]

Pass. The only possible way to make the "CUM TRY RED99Zz!" post spam even worse would be to force their entire population onto blue who generally does not want them as a whole.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I tired to play Blue99 today... After seeing tons of people scattered with eachother acting gayer than life.... I decided to start ksing and training someone. I wanted the land to not be safe. Anyway I got bored with him raging to petition me... So I gave him all my stuff I acquired years ago to pipe down... His pixel lust was satisfied and he shut up.

I can't blue again... It's literally disgusting.

[radda]

I tired to play Blue99 today... After seeing tons of people scattered with eachother acting gayer than life.... I decided to start ksing and training someone. I wanted the land to not be safe. Anyway I got bored with him raging to petition me... So I gave him all my stuff I acquired years ago to pipe down... His pixel lust was satisfied and he shut up.

I can't blue again... It's literally disgusting.
Pics or b.s.

[Zuranthium]

Open world PvP blows because the prevailing strategy is just to use overwhelming numbers so your opponent has no chance.

It's definitely something that needs to be curbed, with limited guild sizes and providing other opportunities to the non-zerg entities.

Structured PvP with equal number of players on each side needs to be a thing. World PvP can be fun, and for a "Good vs. Neutral vs. Evil" type of World PvP you can implement interesting zone-specific features, but ultimately you need some form of "Battlefield" PvP where individual guilds and players can compete in a way that is all about skill and coordination, rather than extraneous factors.

Structured PvP can inform the World PvP and PvE too. In Guild Wars 1 it was "America vs Europe vs Asia" and in order to enter the top PvE area of the game, the majority of your party had to be part of the favored faction. This was determined by the dominate nationality of the 8-person group that was winning in the Hall of Heroes at the time, an 8v8 (sometimes 8v8v8) PvP mode where you had to win battles consecutively to get to the Hall of Heroes.

I didn't do PvE hardly at all in Guild Wars 1 (pretty much just to get some skill unlocks for PvP), but it was fun to PvP in Hall of Heroes and you can see how they can be linked together. The individual group that won Hall of Heroes would get PvE rewards as well. There are other things you could implement in this vein, such as weekly 8v8 tournaments with a set amount of teams from each faction. The winning team's faction could get a small exp boost in PvE for a week and perhaps a small PvP bonus towards invading the "stronghold" zones of the other factions. The individual winning 8-person team would of course get their own specific reward too...including real life money if the PvP mode of a game like this became a popular e-sport.

The best PvP game I ever played was Darktide on Asheron's Call. Unfortunately, the "evil" guild, which ganked anyone they wanted and prevented people from leveling up, beat the "peace" guild which wanted to defend the newbies--in part because the former spent more time levelling and the latter spent time running round defending the newbie areas. I saw the same thing on Sullon Zek, as the "evil" side just leveled, and the "good" and "neutral" defended.

Whatever you think of it (and I never played it) I think this is what DAOC wanted to eliminate--create areas and rewards for PvP, and areas for those who just want to level.

Level-restricted PvP, level-restricted gear, and multiple ways of obtaining the gear pretty much solves that problem.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Zuranthium is so gay

[Servant]

I started playing on red because I played on rallos back in the day, but it's no fun when there's nobody else playing. I have rl friends that decided to start on blue, but I don't want to have to grind through ~150 cumulative levels on my various characters again.

I don't really expect this to actually ever become possible, but I figured I'd put my word in....

[Bboboo]

Red exists as a fly trap for that type of player (you know which one). Doesn't matter if 100 people play on it or if 1 person plays on it you need that trap.

[86753o9]

You can't merge blue with red. Red is blue's penal colony. You thought people played there voluntarily?

[Tasslehofp99]

I would love something like this.

Or, just the ability to transfer one character from blue to red with all no drop items in tact.

[Jimjam]

Going to roll a blue character, twink the shit out of it, apply 500k tunnel plat then call the staff unthinkable names and train left in KC til I get my transfer.

Or in other words, you're an idiot...think it through :o

That's why the abusive characters need to be sent to the red penile colon naked and afraid!

[Bboboo]

That's why the abusive characters need to be sent to the red penile colon naked and afraid!

Wasn't there a recent MMO that did this?

[Jauna]

I whole-heartily do not support this idea at all. Red is the containment server for Blue's.. younger mentality crowd.

Imagine it, the day this happens all the reds will be in EC shouting "LOL Y DOES NO 1 WANT TO FITE ME PUSSY BITCHES GIT REKTED"

Its just... can you not though? It is just for the best. Leave Red for dead.

[Amyas]

Run some super fun GM events on red =P

[Amyas]

Drop red back to only 50 ^_^ =P

[lowner411]

The reason Red has low pop is because people don't want to play EQ PvP. End of story. There is no other reason, and there's no way to fix it. I personally don't care what happens to Red, but I say no to bringing characters over.

More accurately, a small subset of people who play EQ want to play PvP, and like those who play EQ on blue, there are various reasons they want to play there.