Bard in Dreadlands

[renordw]

Again, a bard lost control of his train in dreadlands, but this time, I had a Tolapumj robe on a mob I was charming. I got run over in 0 seconds flat, and lost the robe... Do I have any recourse, or way of getting it back?

[kgallowaypa]

Just thinking, why would you give the mob a tola robe and not a Mith 2hander or just use pet haste, you know when that breaks with spell haste, that is going to be one nasty charm break. Sorry for the loss :(

[renordw]

Just thinking, why would you give the mob a tola robe and not a Mith 2hander or just use pet haste, you know when that breaks with spell haste, that is going to be one nasty charm break. Sorry for the loss :(

It's usually fine, I was in a group with 3 guys, everything was very under control. Just instantly died before I knew what was going on. They even had a deal with me they would kill him if I went LD.

[kgallowaypa]

It might be petitionable, but I think the GM's would see that as an added risk and not a glitch that you lost the robe knowing that there was an inherit risk. Its worth a try but I doubt you might get it back. Best thing is have the bard reimburse you for the avg price of the robe and settle it mutually.

Alternatively, you could have the bard PL your alt's for whatever the going rate is to make up form the time, just a creative thought that doesn't force him to come up with cash right away and could repair the situation ^^

[renordw]

Yeah good plan, but the bard either died or zoned into KC, which is why every single drolvarg went onto our group.

[Samoht]

Again, a bard lost control of his train in dreadlands, but this time, I had a Tolapumj robe on a mob I was charming. I got run over in 0 seconds flat, and lost the robe... Do I have any recourse, or way of getting it back?

It's an accepted risk every time you give the robe to a pet. For future instances, though, just make friends with more mages (http://wiki.project1999.com/Summoned:_Muzzle_of_Mardu).

[renordw]

It's an accepted risk every time you give the robe to a pet. For future instances, though, just make friends with more mages (http://wiki.project1999.com/Summoned:_Muzzle_of_Mardu).

I understand the risk, but how can I account for 100 mobs suddenly attacking me? It's not something I could control.

[kgallowaypa]

I understand the risk, but how can I account for 100 mobs suddenly attacking me? It's not something I could control.

A bard can swarm a pack of mobs right across you and not have agro drop because the agro is on him. I don't think a mob will drop sufficient agro to get a cheap-shot at you when you are medding, thereby causing social aggo. Of course if he ran to zone and the only exit from the zoneline back to their pathing spot is from KC, then that's different as social chain agro will cause that haha.

its all in context of where you were when you died.

[renordw]

A bard can swarm a pack of mobs right across you and not have agro drop because the agro is on him. I don't think a mob will drop sufficient agro to get a cheap-shot at you when you are medding, thereby causing social aggo. Of course if he ran to zone and the only exit from the zoneline back to their pathing spot is from KC, then that's different as social chain agro will cause that haha.

its all in context of where you were when you died.

He definitely died or zoned.

[Daldaen]

If you died before your pet died, your pet still has that robe and you can hunt him down and kill him for the robe back.

[Ivory]

"Beep beep boop boop......this is a news bulletin, stay tuned for this breaking news......and tonight, why gnomes and wood elves are so great."

"Thanks Chip. This is Rosen, reporting from ground zero. Recent studies on the surface of Norrath have confirmed a startling fact......trains exist!!"

"What was that? Rosen? Are you there? You were breaking up. "

"Sorry Chip. Yes, I was just reporting that trains....on Norrath...exist!"

"No! This can't be!!!! When did this begin happening?!"

"Well Chip, gnomish scientists believe it has always happened....but we are just now learning of it!"

"Well, that is pretty startling news!!! Thank you for the report Rosen. Up next, did you know you can drown in water? Stay tuned for the full report."

[kgallowaypa]

"Beep beep boop boop......this is a news bulletin, stay tuned for this breaking news......and tonight, why gnomes and wood elves are so great."

"Thanks Chip. This is Rosen, reporting from ground zero. Recent studies on the surface of Norrath has confirmed a startling fact......trains exist!!"

"What was that? Rosen? Are you there? You were breaking up. "

"Sorry Chip. Yes, I was just reporting that trains....on Norrath...exist!"

"No! This can't be!!!! When did this begin happening?!"

"Well Chip, gnomish scientists believe it has always happened....but we are just now learning of it!"

"Well, that is pretty startling news!!! Thank you for the report Rosen. Up next, did you know you can drown in water? Stay tuned for the full report."

In that story I thought the reporter was going to get trampled by an incoming train, ruined my day bad writing

[Ivory]

In that story I thought the reporter was going to get trampled by an incoming train, ruined my day bad writing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbE9zsoRU3U

[sambal]

The best part- all the drolvargs including my pet ran into another bard's train

[Samoht]

I understand the risk, but how can I account for 100 mobs suddenly attacking me? It's not something I could control.

The risk of train is not something I'm referring to. I'm simply bringing up the risk of losing the robe. The train is irrelevant. Find a more disposable way to haste your pets. Like mage masks.

[-TK-]

The only recourse you have is to get the bard suspended for training if you have proof he trained you.

[Frudrura]

I hate to say it but someone probably had a good day finding a drolvarg with a Tolapumj's Robe on it, or, that drolvarg is still out there beating peoples asses lol

[indiscriminate_hater]

I hate to say it but someone probably had a good day finding a drolvarg with a Tolapumj's Robe on it, or, that drolvarg is still out there beating peoples asses lol

probably the bard got it

[sambal]

The risk of train is not something I'm referring to. I'm simply bringing up the risk of losing the robe. The train is irrelevant. Find a more disposable way to haste your pets. Like mage masks.

Masks are 11% Tolapumj is 36%

[Tupakk]

Tin foil hats.

He knew you had a tolji robe on your pet. Trains you kills your pet gets robe. Summary don't put good items on your pets unless your willing to lose them.

I would of hunted down your pet ASAP tho instead of coming to the forums, he's prolly dead by now.

[Swish]

I've met some terrible bards in the 50s who are trying to group for the first time.

Don't be one of those bards.

[RDawg816]

I've met some terrible bards in the 50s who are trying to group for the first time.

Don't be one of those bards.
Good grouping bards are great. I was one on live and I have seen a few on p99. My next toon will be a grouping bard. Swarming is for the bees...

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Wouldn't happen on Red

[Nixtar]

I've met some terrible bards in the 50s who are trying to group for the first time.

Don't be one of those bards.

+1.

Also, if you are a bard and don't get why people dislike you when you decide, "Yupp, this entire zone is mine and if I die and train you, you should be more careful LOL." GMs might not do anything but people remember the moron running around with a swarm for 10 minutes.

[Ivory]

+1.

Also, if you are a bard and don't get why people dislike you when you decide, "Yupp, this entire zone is mine and if I die and train you, you should be more careful LOL." GMs might not do anything but people remember the moron running around with a swarm for 10 minutes.

I had a bard that trained me....he ran his entire kite over mobs I was killing and they agroed on me....so when he died, they came back.

But then, he started to blame me for it!! He made up that I had "taken from his pull" :| It was crazy.

[renordw]

Why don't the devs break bard kiting? It's not how the original devs intended the game to be played - get bard swarm powelevel to 45 and get Chardokked to 60.

[Skinned]

Bard swarming represents an easy chance to peel four mobs for a quad with the temp flux. Nobody disrupting a zone has a right to complain, though people tried. I just reply "quit being greedy" and leave it at that.

I grouped with a good bard once in p99 though, it was amazing.

[renordw]

Bard swarming represents an easy chance to peel four mobs for a quad with the temp flux. Nobody disrupting a zone has a right to complain, though people tried. I just reply "quit being greedy" and leave it at that.

I grouped with a good bard once in p99 though, it was amazing.

Better hope those bards don't die or you'll be dead before you realize what happened

[Skinned]

Better hope those bards don't die or you'll be dead before you realize what happened

I keep SOW on while I quad, and I tend to gate to Gfay to med up :)

And it wouldn't surprise me at all, because the kind of person who disrupted a whole zone swarm kiting probably does things like train people regularly on purpose. There is a level of schadenfreude to what they do.

[Nixtar]

I had a bard that trained me....he ran his entire kite over mobs I was killing and they agroed on me....so when he died, they came back.

But then, he started to blame me for it!! He made up that I had "taken from his pull" :| It was crazy.

Aye, that's the mindset these players have. The game, the players, it is theirs or there to serve them. Sadly GMs won't do anything and since the same kind of players knows this they will keep doing it. Even had certain bards in the past taunt people in zone during and guess what, GMs dont care about this either.

Moral of the story, assholes be everywhere, and most bards I've come across will actually leave mobs up when they see ppl hunting in the area... But there is always that one bard which ruins the evening for everyone and that's the one we remember.

[trite]

Why don't the devs break bard kiting? It's not how the original devs intended the game to be played - get bard swarm powelevel to 45 and get Chardokked to 60.

Bard swarm kiting worked on live, i remember soloing a bard to 45 on sullon zek with the strategy....also because of differences in social agroe i guess charm swarm kiting doesn't work here...so bards are technically nerfed on p99!!!...charm kiting was coolest solo tactic for bard....

[TKoji]

Sorry to hear you lost your robe OP. Not sure what can be done about it, but I wish you good luck. And I know the "wall of doom" as I like to call it - when a bard dies and every drovlarg comes strolling back. The chaos that ensues is not fun, I've found myself in the middle of that multiple times.

I'd say in two years playing here I've had one maybe two good experiences with a bard.
One was a bard named Ludvig or something like that. Grouped with him once in my youth, never saw him again. The other one was a level 40ish bard grouping for the first time. He snared the mob (not sure why as the necro was before) and played an aoe song. That's it. Wasn't the greatest but he warned us he never grouped before, so whatever.

The others have been negative. Zone disruptions from no mobs to kill, dying and having people caught up in a million mobs pacing back, running swarms over your head, etc. If you complain or ask them to stop you get attitude or they drop mobs onto you. Nothing much you can do except go elsewhere. I can't recall any bards that I have ported in the past (when I was young and ported for cash) that didn't immediately selos off into the sunset upon landing or tip me 1-5pp (these being high levels). Hard to avoid porting them as they are always anon!

[Samoht]

Masks are 11% Tolapumj is 36%

Risk vs reward. You risk your tola robe to get minimal gains over an easily replaceable item that would cost you a tip to a high level mage at most.

By the way, what's the deal with your account switch mid-thread? Is that strange, or what?

[Loke]

How do you people even die to bard trains? I always hear people bitch about it, but in like 6 years of playing here I don't think I've ever been trained by a bard. How bad is your situational awareness that you don't notice 100+ mobs walking towards you? Bards dropping their kites is annoying, but getting killed because you didn't notice 1/2 the mobs in the zone coming your way isn't completely their fault.

Set up some where that is easy to see/avoid trains, pay attention when/how the bard is pulling and kiting around you, and maybe shoot them a tell letting them know where you set up so they can avoid you. Sucks that you lost a Tola robe, but I'd be shocked if this wasn't an avoidable death. Its like people who complain about getting trained while AFK at Karnor's zone... sucks you got trained, but what do you expect when you afk at karnor's zone? Gotta pay attention and stay out of the way when there is someone kiting half a zone.

[Sage Truthbearer]

How do you people even die to bard trains?

In the case of DL, most groups set up along the North or East walls of KC. When a Bard drops a train 100s of Drolvargs will reset and in the process path right on top of KC (where players can't see them) only to suddenly appear on the other side and instantly kill entire groups.

[Tewaz]

This is a neat idea for PVP. Swarm everything in DL with a TL box up, wait for people to zone out of KC and click.

[Nixtar]

This is a neat idea for PVP. Swarm everything in DL with a TL box up, wait for people to zone out of KC and click.

Might want to read through the server rules before you try that... Just a thought.

[Eugee]

1. Bard pulling half the zone in DL aggro most of the mobs with social aggro, so they will absolutely attack someone medding on the north/east wall of KC.

2. Bards pulling half the zone in DL are often so far out in front of their train that they drag it directly along the walls of KC.

[NovaSeven]

bards are the wurst

[DMN]

Bard mass(charm or otherwise) kiting didn't exist for the vast majority of EQ's "classic" existence since the PC hardware processing burps and server/internet burps would often lead to instant death. even multiple kiting by a druid with snared enemies was dangerous due to hardware issues back then and generally only done when you could survive a round of combat or two with the entire pack of enemies you were kiting.(generally low blues)

[indiscriminate_hater]

Bard mass(charm or otherwise) kiting didn't exist for the vast majority of EQ's "classic" existence since the PC hardware processing burps and server/internet burps would often lead to instant death. even multiple kiting by a druid with snared enemies was dangerous due to hardware issues back then and generally only done when you could survive a round of combat or two with the entire pack of enemies you were kiting.(generally low blues)

Uh, what? I'm pretty sure quad kiting wasn't bottlenecked by hardware, even in 1999. Nor was charm kiting 10-15 mobs. I remember running through EC tunnel and going on 30 man raids with few problems even on my shitty comp

[DMN]

Uh, what? I'm pretty sure quad kiting wasn't bottlenecked by hardware, even in 1999. Nor was charm kiting 10-15 mobs. I remember running through EC tunnel and going on 30 man raids with few problems even on my shitty comp

I said that druids kiting only 4 mobs, even when snared , was still dangerous back then. So kiting 4+ without snare was a virtual death sentence with even the slightest hardware burp. 30 man button mashing zombies on your side are quite a bit different than 30 man zombie army chasing your drum beating ass.

[Silencia]

Bard mass(charm or otherwise) kiting didn't exist for the vast majority of EQ's "classic" existence since the PC hardware processing burps and server/internet burps would often lead to instant death. even multiple kiting by a druid with snared enemies was dangerous due to hardware issues back then and generally only done when you could survive a round of combat or two with the entire pack of enemies you were kiting.(generally low blues)

That's completely inaccurate and stupid. Not only did it exist back then, but more than bards did it. The only difference was other classes proceeded to stand on 3D objects where they couldn't be touched. I leveled a wizard doing this extremely fast.

Want to get rid of it? Fine. Just don't sit there and say it wasn't classic when it was (with various exceptions), especially considering this entire game is extremely far from classic. The phrase "not classic" is so stupid.

Druids hardly able to pull four mobs? What? Your vision is so skewed by jealousy it's insane.

[DMN]

It's certainly not inaccurate, while "stupid" is pretty subjective. Reality is often stupid, so maybe you can qualify it as such. What you describe by abusing pathing, which wasn't limited to simply standing on certain 3d objects, was what was described back then as an "actionable offense". If a GM caught you killing mobs in such a way by purely abusing pathing you'd be warned > suspended. It's really irrelevant however because we are talking about bard kiting and not general pathing abuse.

Bard kiting did exist in the period that is being arbitrarily defined as "classic" here, but the window of its existence was quite small. Far smaller then, say, the period of unnerfed DOT damage I actually find it an interesting anomaly in gaming history since it was purely hardware issues that prevented its use, not game code preventing it from occurring.

[Silencia]

It's certainly not inaccurate, while "stupid" is pretty subjective. Reality is often stupid, so maybe you can qualify it as such. What you describe by abusing pathing, which wasn't limited to simply standing on certain 3d objects, was what was described back then as an "actionable offense". If a GM caught you killing mobs in such a way by purely abusing pathing you'd be warned > suspended. It's really irrelevant however because we are talking about bard kiting and not general pathing abuse.

Bard kiting did exist in the period that is being arbitrarily defined as "classic" here, but the window of its existence was quite small. Far smaller then, say, the period of unnerfed DOT damage I actually find it an interesting anomaly in gaming history since it was purely hardware issues that prevented its use, not game code preventing it from occurring.

My point was that computers could handle multiple entities in a close proximity. A lot of the time you simply didn't face them so nothing would render. The only time I ever had an issue (my computer was really average, if not below) was much later in EverQuest's life in the Luclin expansion. Shar Vahl was horribly optimized.

[DMN]

My point was that computers could handle multiple entities in a close proximity. A lot of the time you simply didn't face them so nothing would render. The only time I ever had an issue (my computer was really average, if not below) was much later in EverQuest's life in the Luclin expansion. Shar Vahl was horribly optimized.

You are a bit confused on the "Type of lag" that tended to kill you when you multi-kited, with a bard or a druid.

The "face lag" you described was actually the mostly innocuous type that could easily be made up for by just cutting more oblique angles when turning and in geneal just giving yourself a little extra wiggle room. The real issue(s) was when people would enter the zone you were currently in. The larger the group the larger the problem. This was why dag's cauldron was notorious for a long time for huge ping spikes -- unrest trains that emptied the zone. butcherblock, another prime kiting zone also was notorious for them,too -- the newb filled boats. Not only was there a rendering issue client side with, but the server also would spike from the new players, on top of the general lag spikes anyone on the internet got back then. It wasn't unusual for people to fall to their death in dag's cauldron due to an unrest train nuking the zone with lag. They would simply be swimming, and bang, lag spike, splat on the lake bottom.

[Murri]

Bard mass(charm or otherwise) kiting didn't exist for the vast majority of EQ's "classic" existence since the PC hardware processing burps and server/internet burps would often lead to instant death. even multiple kiting by a druid with snared enemies was dangerous due to hardware issues back then and generally only done when you could survive a round of combat or two with the entire pack of enemies you were kiting.(generally low blues)

Bard ae kiting was nerfed during PoP era. There was plenty of time where it was happening.

Also I can't ever remember anyone doing it with the strafe method. Everyone did it with selos and lots of people did figure 8 style paths or ovals to have song land when they path close to them. I'm sure those methods were used instead of just nice circles because of the lag.

[DMN]

Bard ae kiting was nerfed during PoP era. There was plenty of time where it was happening.

Also I can't ever remember anyone doing it with the strafe method. Everyone did it with selos and lots of people did figure 8 style paths or ovals to have song land when they path close to them. I'm sure those methods were used instead of just nice circles because of the lag.

You would sometimes see small scale charm kiting back then. Like 2-3 enemies, charm one to fight the other two, move away. etc a basic charm killing strategy In these cases a lag spike of several seconds at worse just might end up doing severe damage to you, and not kill you. On top of my own experiences of being a beta tester for EQ and played the game up until velious/luclin with max level characters on three different servers, there are other reasons I know it id not exist in that time period.

First bards were never the first 50s/60s on new servers. This was almost exclusively the domain of druids and necros. On very rare occasion a shaman would upset the order, post roots not breaking on DoT ticks. This makes no sense if people were swarm kiting back then. you'd certainly see bards vying for numero uno, but that didn't happen.

Also, I'm sure it would have been talked about in the uberguild I was in on one of the servers. (seekers of norrath on fennin). We talked about/debated stuff like that all time time. When fennin would go down we'd have contests for leveling up characters on different servers -- how i ended up with max level chars on three different ones.

Additionally, when they did do the DoT nerf and it was explained amidst tons of drama: the main reason was they didn't want people aggro kiting things since it created a danger zone for other players nearby. It wasn't that DoTs wee overpowered because they actually increased the power of DoTs. Anyway, mass bard kiting is 10-15 times worse than your typical aggro kite for danger to other players. So if it was being used it would have been nerfed at the same time. It would have also been bitched about on the druid's grove(and necro/shaman forums) non-stop, both before and after the DoT nerf.


My guess is that it must have existed sometime post luclin. But it certainly didn't exist prior to that.

[renordw]

Bard mass(charm or otherwise) kiting didn't exist for the vast majority of EQ's "classic" existence since the PC hardware processing burps and server/internet burps would often lead to instant death. even multiple kiting by a druid with snared enemies was dangerous due to hardware issues back then and generally only done when you could survive a round of combat or two with the entire pack of enemies you were kiting.(generally low blues)

This. Although people are whining and bitching that it's inaccurate, this is my recollection as well. The majority of people who tried multi-kiting would get hit very often because of dial-up latency. All the people I knew back then said it was too dangerous to attempt. Yes, there were people who worked in IT and had T1 connections and what not, but the majority did not.

[DMN]

You' d have to connect that T1 line directly to verant's server cluster to avoid the vagaries of the internet. High ping was usually not the problem, within reason, but the massive lag spikesthat lasted several scond or more. These were very frequent in the first coule years of EQ's existence. And it would only take one time happening at a bad time to wipe out hours of hard work... Which is why people played it safe, and no bards mass kited, while only the ballsiest druids quad kited and generally only light blues.

Even that direct T1 line (which didn't exist unless you workd for verant) still wouldn't solve verant's server issues or poor graphic cards/driver optimization.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The main issue was routers centered around Kansas City. Most of the East Coast US trafficwent through KC. Those routers sucked ass, and so you learned pretty quickly to play it safe. For West Coast people, this was less if an issue but you still had the routers for San Diego.

Keep in mind, most of the code for this network was written in Fortran, and eq seriously stressed any Fortran-based intranet. I worked the backbone in KC. I know what I'm talking about.

[Rummol]

Which is why people played it safe, and no bards mass kited, while only the ballsiest druids quad kited and generally only light blues.

Pure nonsense...I quad kited on a wizard pre-kunark and many others did too

[DMN]

Pure nonsense...I quad kited on a wizard pre-kunark and many others did too

maybe you had cleric friend to make up the deaths you would've been routinely subject to. Wizards have less HP, wear toilet paper, usually have crap defense skill since they avoid getting hit at all costs, and will generally be working with Jboots back then. That makes the window of survival that much smaller for any lag spike. You can probably tell your fairytales to your fiends, but not to someone that was actually playing then. We will throw that right in the BS bin.

[Maschenny]

I played prior to Kunark as well and quad kited all the time without any problems.

[Malik_Gynax]

maybe you had cleric friend to make up the deaths you would've been routinely subject to. Wizards have less HP, wear toilet paper, usually have crap defense skill since they avoid getting hit at all costs, and will generally be working with Jboots back then. That makes the window of survival that much smaller for any lag spike. You can probably tell your fairytales to your fiends, but not to someone that was actually playing then. We will throw that right in the BS bin.

I guess you know everything about how every player played classic.

[DMN]

I guess you know everything about how every player played classic.

I know enough., bard delusions notwithstanding.

[SamwiseRed]

This is a neat idea for PVP. Swarm everything in DL with a TL box up, wait for people to zone out of KC and click.

this happened alot with KC battles actually without the TL boxes. empire would use an OOR alt to gather up DL and suicide all the mobs at the ZL so when we were zoning out of KC from their trains inside, we would die to their trains outside in DL. since it was done by a drugged out out of range unguilded toon, nothing happened. legit strat.

[Silencia]

maybe you had cleric friend to make up the deaths you would've been routinely subject to. Wizards have less HP, wear toilet paper, usually have crap defense skill since they avoid getting hit at all costs, and will generally be working with Jboots back then. That makes the window of survival that much smaller for any lag spike. You can probably tell your fairytales to your fiends, but not to someone that was actually playing then. We will throw that right in the BS bin.

You talk about dying a LOT to various situations. Have you considered that maybe you were/are just terrible?

Seriously, wouldn't you find it odd that quad kiting / pbae spells existed if people were unable to do such a thing? I can't tell if you're trolling.


Submited by: Galuvian On: 1/17/2001 3:06:16 AM

At level 9 I could Kite THREE YELLOW wisps with this song as the only thing doing damage. Great song once you learn to use it effectively and twist with Selo's and Heal.

Galuvian
13th Verse
Drinal


Weird, this guy had no issue either as a level 9 bard back in 2001. He must be delusional too, right?

[Neno]

Swarm kiting wasn't really a thing on this server until several months in. My bard was created day 1 and was one of the first lvl 50 bards on the server. Most of us knew the strat from our time on live but I can't think of 1 bard that didn't level up through grouping during that time. We all knew charm kiting was a bust and for whatever reason aoe kiting just wasn't a thing here. I think it was Jete who made the post on how to do it on p99 after playing around with it for awhile but he was already lvl 50. It just didn't exist here at the start for some reason that I can no longer remember.

[renordw]

Swarm kiting wasn't really a thing on this server until several months in. My bard was created day 1 and was one of the first lvl 50 bards on the server. Most of us knew the strat from our time on live but I can't think of 1 bard that didn't level up through grouping during that time. We all knew charm kiting was a bust and for whatever reason aoe kiting just wasn't a thing here. I think it was Jete who made the post on how to do it on p99 after playing around with it for awhile but he was already lvl 50. It just didn't exist here at the start for some reason that I can no longer remember.

Yes, same here. My first toon was a bard, and I got him to 46 or so, then quit. In the earlier period of the game, people were generally more considerate to one another (with exceptions obviously). Even if monopolizing zones were a strategy, I would never have done it. I remember back in the day (2010) a bard friend and I wondered if quadding dwarfs in BB would be too rude because of how long it takes for a bard's songs to wear down a mob's HP, you monopolize spawns for a considerable amount of time.

[Maschenny]

I remember back in the day (2010) a bard friend and I wondered if quadding dwarfs in BB would be too rude because of how long it takes for a bard's songs to wear down a mob's HP, you monopolize spawns for a considerable amount of time.

lmao, how do you live?

[Blitzers]

DL worst place to level, go to CoM problem solved.

[DMN]

You talk about dying a LOT to various situations. Have you considered that maybe you were/are just terrible?

You talk a LOT about bards. Have you considered you hardly seem to be an unbiased observer? And ya I'm/was terrible. Running in circles is way too hard for me, man.


Seriously, wouldn't you find it odd that quad kiting / pbae spells existed if people were unable to do such a thing? I can't tell if you're trolling.

Speaking of trolling, is this like the third time you've claimed I said something I never said? Not sure, but it's getting quite tiresome nonetheless.



Weird, this guy had no issue either as a level 9 bard back in 2001. He must be delusional too, right?

Wow, 2 years after release bards find they can kill 3 mobs at the same time.That's totally the same as swarm kiting dozens of mobs. wher is the follow up post of " yo man, that's nothing I was kiting 15 aviaks in SK) The post you present is actually good evidence swarm kiting wasn't viable in 2001. The same year this server is locked in, I might add. Thanks for supporting my argument with contemporary evidence,though.

[gummab]

maybe you had cleric friend to make up the deaths you would've been routinely subject to. Wizards have less HP, wear toilet paper, usually have crap defense skill since they avoid getting hit at all costs, and will generally be working with Jboots back then. That makes the window of survival that much smaller for any lag spike. You can probably tell your fairytales to your fiends, but not to someone that was actually playing then. We will throw that right in the BS bin.

Are you talking pre-2000?

I quadded all the time 2000 onwards on my druid,and died 0 times due to lag spikes,I LD death a few but thats about it.

[Unclebulgaria]

Am I the only one who is highly amused by the thought of a Drolvarg running around somewhere in DL wearing a green dress?

Yeah, yeah, I know it doesn't show. But I can't get that image out of my head.

[Alanus]

Yes, same here. My first toon was a bard, and I got him to 46 or so, then quit. In the earlier period of the game, people were generally more considerate to one another (with exceptions obviously). Even if monopolizing zones were a strategy, I would never have done it. I remember back in the day (2010) a bard friend and I wondered if quadding dwarfs in BB would be too rude because of how long it takes for a bard's songs to wear down a mob's HP, you monopolize spawns for a considerable amount of time.

Seems like that would take a real long time for the exp compared to going to a zone with more mobs.

[renordw]

Why is "swarm kiting" with social aggro purposely broken? Whereas AoE kiting is still allowed? Swarm kiting was classic too, where you would charm one of them, have all of the other mobs beat it within an inch of its life, break charm, and then dot the old pet down. This used to be called "Swarm kiting".

[zanderklocke]

Why is "swarm kiting" with social aggro purposely broken? Whereas AoE kiting is still allowed? Swarm kiting was classic too, where you would charm one of them, have all of the other mobs beat it within an inch of its life, break charm, and then dot the old pet down. This used to be called "Swarm kiting".

I think it's hard to program aggro correctly. That's the reason. You essentially have to run a train through your charmed mob who you sent to fight one of the mobs in the train. Otherwise, traditional "swarm" kiting doesn't quite work.

However, when it does work, and you run like 30 mobs through your pet, it's hilarious how fast the pet dies.

With the current aggro system, you can charm kite by grabbing two mobs, switching which one is your pet back and forth, and having them fight each other. This was how I used to farm plat on Seafury island. Alternatively, you can grab a higher level humanoid pet, give him some weapons and maybe a mage haste mask, and chain snare another mob with your pet beating on its back. The Dino in OOT with weapons rips through seafuries in like 10-15 seconds. He also indifferent to everyone, so you can't train anyone.

Bards are so fun with pets.

[LethalLogic]

Again, a bard lost control of his train in dreadlands, but this time, I had a Tolapumj robe on a mob I was charming. I got run over in 0 seconds flat, and lost the robe... Do I have any recourse, or way of getting it back?

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