Is it 2-boxing?

[maxlaurent]

Hey, this might be a stupid question but I prefer to ask. I got a 60 shaman. Can i buff my alt (only buff no attacks) or it would be considered as 2-boxing?
Thanks!

[Kaziel]

Yes that's 2 boxing

[RDawg816]

That would be boxing. If your friend was playing your shaman, or your wife, etc was playing your shaman....that's legal. Be careful who has your info, but if you can trust someone that's the best way to go about it.
My friend logs my character in sometimes to do transfers, buff myself, or whatever.

[maxlaurent]

How can Developers know if it is you or another person buffing? I dont get it

[Reece15]

Yes that's 2 boxing

[Troxx]

How can Developers know if it is you or another person buffing? I dont get it



It doesn't matter how they know, it's against the rules.

But yes, they have methods for detecting it and punishment is swift.

Just don't do it.

[RDawg816]

If you have an IP exemption, just know they are watching you....

[Swish]

So who do you play with OP?

Noticing a lot of "I have this", "I have that", but not much "we" in there...

[Daywolf]

So, 2-boxing buff botter, eh? Yeah don't do it. You pull your butt into a camp next to someones camp that they were pulling multi-camps with, then see you pull out your buff-bot every 30 mins to do a little special snowflake sync dance... hehe well thats one way to get caught. Quite a few ways to get noticed, since boxing is legal on other servers and vets can spot that here with ease by experience from those servers.

[Trungep99]

If you have an IP exemption, just know they are watching you....

this ^

i know people who have been warned by GM's over silly things that they observe. so they really do watch for exploitation.

[maskedmelon]

Yep, that is two boxing and as others have pointed out you will get caught. The developers have direct methods of detection and where those fail, there are player reports. Bans are also not always immediate. Like with RMT, they issue mass bans every year or two.

[Spyder73]

The way you will NEVER get away with this is logging in on 2 accounts from the same computer...they can tell from their scanner software and its an automatic flag. People get banned for boxxing constantly and then whine about it constantly. You will be caught eventually, the logs never go away and they review them after the fact.

Only way this would even be remotely possible is from 2 seperate computers and even then, you will almost certainly get shat upon. One of the reasons P99 is thriving is because of anti-boxxing and anti-RMT and they take those 2 things very very seriously

[Leontius]

From the rules which can be found stickied in this forum...twice:

4.4. You may not have more than one client running per real life person playing on Project 1999 (Boxing).

There is no 'boxing' on Project 1999 servers. Boxing is defined as having more than one client running from a single computer, or having more than one client running per person in the same household on different computers. Project 1999 has an IP block on its servers to prevent players from boxing. You may apply for an IP exemption if you have more than one person in your household wanting to play by following the instructions on this forum:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

Violation of this rule will result in disciplinary action, and you may lose the account(s) involved.

The exception to this rule is having one client running for Project 1999 Red PvP as well as one for Project 1999 Blue. This is allowed.Having 2+ clients logged in by one person on the same server for ANY amount of time = boxing. Logging two characters on to do a transfer, buff yourself, port yourself, rez yourself, /massage your own shoulders, whatever, it's all boxing.

Note, we give out more suspensions and bans for boxing than for all other infractions combined, and ignorance of the rules is not accepted as an excuse. The most frequent response after "BUT I DIDN'T KNOW BOXING WAS ILLEGAL!" is "Wow, I didn't think you'd catch me".

[Zaejii]

Firstly, I like the no boxing rule, but is there anything that states "why" it isn't allowed?

I legit have a couple friends that are making a huge deal about why it is a rule in the first place and I haven't been able to find anything but opinions that they are dismissing because those aren't "official".

Thanks in advance.

[kgallowaypa]

Firstly, I like the no boxing rule, but is there anything that states "why" it isn't allowed?

I legit have a couple friends that are making a huge deal about why it is a rule in the first place and I haven't been able to find anything but opinions that they are dismissing because those aren't "official".

Thanks in advance.

Go to Shards of Dalaya and you will see why boxing sucks..Thats why I left there and came to P99. Pretty much it has a huge effect on social interactions between players; why ask/beg for sow and ports when you can PL your druid alt and just be your pocket telelporter -- p99 as it is now would be a lot like SoD.

The same goes for utility classes like Enchanters and Shaman's duoing with an SK main or other good duo combo.

The first day progression opened up on live, it was common to see people 4 boxing mage pets destroying content left and right -- imagine how that would change your brand new classic player on p99.

My opinion on the matter is that boxing can be fun and efficient, but it has to be done right. leave it to servers where everyone does it, but leave p99 the reason it's called that way. Project 1999, not Project easy mode. having a 65 druid on SoD myself I will say its fun, but you definitely do not get the social experience from 1-60 on SoD like you do here. I have made more friends here on p99 than on SoD even with the high level of skilled players there as well.

[Doctor Jeff]

How can Developers know if it is you or another person buffing? I dont get it

The DLL that you downloaded to be able to play here lets them know everything that is going on on your PC while its running.

[Doctor Jeff]

Firstly, I like the no boxing rule, but is there anything that states "why" it isn't allowed?

I legit have a couple friends that are making a huge deal about why it is a rule in the first place and I haven't been able to find anything but opinions that they are dismissing because those aren't "official".

Thanks in advance.

The reason why is, one person, with 6-12 free accounts, can solo any content he wants. When boxing is allowed, it becomes mandatory to remain competitive. It is far too easy to "Solo" fungi king, or Faydedar, or Venril Sathir, etc.

[Zaejii]

Go to Shards of Dalaya and you will see why boxing sucks..Thats why I left there and came to P99. Pretty much it has a huge effect on social interactions between players; why ask for sow and ports when you can PL your druid alt and just be your pocket telelporter -- p99 as it is now would be a lot like SoD.

The same goes for utility classes like Enchanters and Shaman's duoing with an SK main or other good duo combo.

The first day progression opened up on live, it was common to see people 4 boxing mage pets destroying content left and right -- imagine how that would change your brand new classic player new to p99.

Oh I get all the reasons, and I agree with them.

My friends want to know officially why it's been made a rule, because they're dismissing everything else as an opinion why people don't like it.

Edit: It's honestly quite exhausting trying to explain it to them why it's bad when they keep repeating, "but that's someone's opinion!"

[leftharted]

Oh I get all the reasons, and I agree with them.

My friends want to know officially why it's been made a rule, because they're dismissing everything else as an opinion why people don't like it.

Edit: It's honestly quite exhausting trying to explain it to them why it's bad when they keep repeating, "but that's someone's opinion!"

ehh, sounds like you need to make new 'friends'?

its been made a rule because the people who own/run the server have decided so... and nothing will change that. If your 'friends' don't like it, there are other alternatives... but P99 is not one.

[Zaejii]

ehh, sounds like you need to make new 'friends'?

its been made a rule because the people who own/run the server have decided so... and nothing will change that. If your 'friends' don't like it, there are other alternatives... but P99 is not one.

Yeah, I told them that before I bothered posting. It's what started the entire why argument because they didn't like it, lol.

[Siberious]

Yes it is someone's opinion, it's the server Dev's opinion, and opinion of many on the server. Why do you friends care? There are dozens of other servers that allow boxing, go play there, your friends simply have a different opinion on boxing.

Boxing imo is toxic to the social interaction EQ requires over other games in order to progress, even limiting it to 2-boxing here takes almost every loot camp in the game and makes it "Soloable" by a single 2-boxer.

[Bohab]

How about...

Is it 2 boxing IF...

You have a client at character select screen and a client that has a character in the game? And you log the in game character before logging in the other?

Is it 2 boxing IF...

You /exit and swap accounts quickly. If you happen to swap so quickly, one account is still in game LD?

[Thulack]

How about...

Is it 2 boxing IF...

You have a client at character select screen and a client that has a character in the game? And you log the in game character before logging in the other?

Is it 2 boxing IF...

You /exit and swap accounts quickly. If you happen to swap so quickly, one account is still in game LD?

Yes to first question. Grey area to 2nd.

[kgallowaypa]

How about...

Is it 2 boxing IF...

You have a client at character select screen and a client that has a character in the game? And you log the in game character before logging in the other?

Is it 2 boxing IF...

You /exit and swap accounts quickly. If you happen to swap so quickly, one account is still in game LD?

It shouldn't be considered boxing because if you are doing this from the same computer, even if your character is LD and in exit queue, you will still get the temporary IP block until the character has completely disconnected or the block is removed.

If bpoth chars are parked next to each other on question 2 and you perform and action on the other account, still being controlled by you, then that is boxing because your cheating the ip block system to give an unfair benefit to 2 different chars within a 10-15 second window. /Lawyerquest

[Bohab]

It shouldn't be considered boxing because if you are doing this from the same computer, even if your character is LD and in exit queue, you will still get the temporary IP block until the character has completely disconnected or the block is removed.

If one of the accounts has an exemption, the IP block won't occur.

[kgallowaypa]

If one of the accounts has an exemption, the IP block won't occur.

Then I think you already know the answer..

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-9xYmoQzVh4/hqdefault.jpg

[NegaStoat]

If you have an IP exemption, just know they are watching you....

If this was true, and if spot checks were given in the EC tunnel with people advertising for items at the same time an exempted second logon was in progress with a character solo farming, the crap would hit the fan SO fast. I've yet to see it happen though.

[Bohab]

Then I think you already know the answer..

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-9xYmoQzVh4/hqdefault.jpg

No, not really. Seems like a gray area as mentioned. Guarantee people take advantage of this often.

[Leontius]

Having one character on charselect and another in game is not boxing, the clients must both be logged onto a character for it to count as boxing.

However, people have been suspended in the past for abusing an IP exemption to get an advantage while swapping characters (tracker -> COH/puller/tagger/whatever), so I wouldn't recommend it. The purpose of an IP exemption is for two people on two machines to play from the same IP, not so one person can have a speed advantage on character swaps. If you're worried about this, camping out or /q /ex and then waiting 30 seconds (like you would for /camp) is plenty to keep you off our radar.

[Bohab]

Thanks for the clarification!

[JackFlash]

Yes to first question. Grey area to 2nd.

This was talked about a while back. Using an exemption to quickly switch between characters is not legal.

[Samoht]

However, people have been suspended in the past for abusing an IP exemption to get an advantage while swapping characters (tracker -> COH/puller/tagger/whatever), so I wouldn't recommend it.

Around here we refer to this as "The Jeremy."

[Dirtnap]

My brother and I have played since beta, and have never once been checked for boxing. No questions from GMs, no tests to out us as a box combo.

We've done shit like have my bard autofollow his monk with healing song and still never gotten asked by GM's if we were two separate people.

Might just be that we've played here so long that we're on some kind of whitelist and they just don't bother.

[coki]

me and my roomate have been asked to perform certain tasks at the same time, i think only one time many years ago

[Swish]

oh shit it's Dirtnap... this guy....

http://i.imgur.com/fBjQ3Y7.png

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1020506&postcount=14

[Thulack]

My brother and I have played since beta, and have never once been checked for boxing. No questions from GMs, no tests to out us as a box combo.

We've done shit like have my bard autofollow his monk with healing song and still never gotten asked by GM's if we were two separate people.

Might just be that we've played here so long that we're on some kind of whitelist and they just don't bother.

Just because you havent seen a GM doesnt mean they werent there observing you. Just because they got a complaint about boxing doesnt mean they are going to let you know about it. GM's have stated many times they watch people before going through the boxing test.

[drktmplr12]

is it boxing my sisters lover is buffing me not alone over 1 ip?

[Calthaer]

no, it is not; he dose not live with us, i am just saying, anyways.

[myriverse]

My brother and I have played since beta, and have never once been checked for boxing. No questions from GMs, no tests to out us as a box combo.

We've done shit like have my bard autofollow his monk with healing song and still never gotten asked by GM's if we were two separate people.

Might just be that we've played here so long that we're on some kind of whitelist and they just don't bother.
You won't even necessarily know you're being tested when you're being tested.

[HippoNipple]

Legally you can't 2box but a lot of people do it. I'm sure a lot get banned but most people don't. You will see a ton of people AFK at EC tunnel and they are most likely playing another character somewhere else. People also do things like farming separate places at the same time on 2 different characters. It is all just common sense, if it is obvious you are 2 boxxing you will be banned. If you get away with it you get away with it, just like anything else that is against the rules. If your characters are interacting with each other or just logging in for a couple seconds at a time there is a good chance you are doing something shady.

[Faddisaction]

Hello I have been trying to post ANYTHING on these forums for 2 days now. I attempted to post 2 IP Exemptions in the Petition Forum but neither of them are showing. I have attempted posting a thread here regarding my problem but none of them show....so I am attempting this reply to see if it works.
The problem is this, my wife and I want to be able to play together from the same house. We have two computers but only one router. We actually met on Everquest during the Shadows of Luclin release. Any help and/or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.

[HippoNipple]

Make a petition, your account was not allowing you to make threads because it is new and it needed to be approved by mods. The only legal way to do it is wait for the staff to approve your ip exemption which could take a couple weeks. A VPN would work but is illegal here so they will ban you if they find out you are using one to log in two characters from the same home.

[Faddisaction]

Oh I have no desire to be banned. Guess my wife and I will just have to suck it up and wait. Thanks HN for your assistance.

[Leontius]

Hello I have been trying to post ANYTHING on these forums for 2 days now. I attempted to post 2 IP Exemptions in the Petition Forum but neither of them are showing. I have attempted posting a thread here regarding my problem but none of them show....so I am attempting this reply to see if it works.
The problem is this, my wife and I want to be able to play together from the same house. We have two computers but only one router. We actually met on Everquest during the Shadows of Luclin release. Any help and/or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.

New accounts have to be approved by staff/mods before your posts are visible to you in the petition forum. Rest assured, we can see them. Your petition will be processed shortly, please be patient.

And again, for those who are thinking about trying to box on here, here's a fun number: we've caught over 300 accounts boxing so far this year. That's without any major sweeps and no particular focus on patrolling for boxing. Don't take the risk and end up joining the banned - pay for a port, make a new friend for that transfer you need, etc. instead.

[Thulack]

Legally you can't 2box but a lot of people do it. I'm sure a lot get banned but most people don't. You will see a ton of people AFK at EC tunnel and they are most likely playing another character somewhere else. People also do things like farming separate places at the same time on 2 different characters. It is all just common sense, if it is obvious you are 2 boxxing you will be banned. If you get away with it you get away with it, just like anything else that is against the rules. If your characters are interacting with each other or just logging in for a couple seconds at a time there is a good chance you are doing something shady.

Lol. Just because people are AFK in tunnel doesnt mean they are playing on another account or even at the computer for that matter. I use to sit in the tunnel for hours on end. Sometimes i was actually sitting at the pc buying/selling but i'd say a good 90% of the time i was watching TV or playing another game on my other monitor or not even sitting at the computer.

[Samoht]

Lol. Just because people are AFK in tunnel doesnt mean they are playing on another account or even at the computer for that matter.

You'll have to excuse him. He plays red, and that's just common "knowledge" to him that everybody on blue is botting an AFK EC trader. After all, it's what makes the blue population so high.

[Dirtnap]

oh shit it's Dirtnap... this guy....

http://i.imgur.com/fBjQ3Y7.png

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1020506&postcount=14

Love you too Swish. Always right behind me to give a courtesy reach around.
The only thing about that picture that bothers me is that I would never pick that face.

Just because you havent seen a GM doesnt mean they werent there observing you. Just because they got a complaint about boxing doesnt mean they are going to let you know about it. GM's have stated many times they watch people before going through the boxing test.

My point was that as suspicious as we have looked, since we weren't boxing they never talked to us. They could be watching at any time, but if you aren't doing shady shit, they won't even talk to you.

[Swish]

Hello I have been trying to post ANYTHING on these forums for 2 days now. I attempted to post 2 IP Exemptions in the Petition Forum but neither of them are showing. I have attempted posting a thread here regarding my problem but none of them show....so I am attempting this reply to see if it works.
The problem is this, my wife and I want to be able to play together from the same house. We have two computers but only one router. We actually met on Everquest during the Shadows of Luclin release. Any help and/or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.

I wonder how many new players we leak because of the forum posting rules and having to have the first 10 messages approved. I understand why its there but feels like we're not very welcoming.

[Strawberries]

I wonder how many new players we leak because of the forum posting rules and having to have the first 10 messages approved. I understand why its there but feels like we're not very welcoming.

It is confusing too :( I didn't get what the deal was at first.

[Thulack]

It is confusing too :( I didn't get what the deal was at first.

Well when there were times you would come to the forum and it would just be filled with porn gifs and mutilation pics etc you would understand.

[myriverse]

I wonder how many new players we leak because of the forum posting rules and having to have the first 10 messages approved. I understand why its there but feels like we're not very welcoming.
I wonder how many new players we leak because of the forum. Period.:rolleyes:

[Thulack]

I wonder how many new players we leak because of the forum. Period.:rolleyes:

Yeah Rants and flames and Off topic probably cause a good portion of people that come here to just never bother coming to the forums again. Server chat and raid forum are close runners up. Ofcourse red forums should just be hidden by default aswell ;)

[HippoNipple]

Lol. Just because people are AFK in tunnel doesnt mean they are playing on another account or even at the computer for that matter. I use to sit in the tunnel for hours on end. Sometimes i was actually sitting at the pc buying/selling but i'd say a good 90% of the time i was watching TV or playing another game on my other monitor or not even sitting at the computer.

I didn't say everyone was boxing in the tunnel. I was just explaining to him how things work. If you aren't doing anything they can detect as far as boxing then you won't get caught. There is no way a GM would be able to connect a trader in EC to another character camping an item. It wasn't a dig to the community, it is just the way it is when rules are not hard coded in.


You'll have to excuse him. He plays red, and that's just common "knowledge" to him that everybody on blue is botting an AFK EC trader. After all, it's what makes the blue population so high.

I didn't mention population and don't really care about the number of people logged in. Your obsession with project 1999 population and its relevance is rotting your brain.