There's no case for new blue server (ie recycle)

[schnickusaurus]

So people yet again fail to get the bigger picture.

We got 7 years of awesome kunark/pre-kunark experience,

Then velious is released and now after less than a year of velious with still overpriced 2 million plat White Dragon Helm etc, people actually want to re-run a new server?

To me that just implies a velious failure.
Majority has not even seen ntov yet, or sleeper, haste mask clicky quest, shawl quest or completed dain 10 ring quest.

Why do people want to quit velious this early? Whats the point of all Devs work with velious if people wont even experience it in full?

I wanna see 100k White Dragon Helms, ring 10, shawl quest, sleeper Avatar weapons on majority before we actually start anything 'new' again.

So ya Devs you might wanna think twice before you crash this server with a new green server, and respect that we could need at least 2-3 years until most people actually get to sleeper etc. I know many argue that a new server doesnt affect this server. Well it does, it will move the population from p1999 blue to green .

EQ dies when the people disappear. Thats why World of Warcraft killed EQ, the people moved from EQ to World of Warcraft. This is a fact.

[Man0warr]

Probably because no one but ~200 people in two guilds have seen much of Velious in the past 8 months.

[ArumTP]

Probably because no one but ~200 people in two guilds have seen much of Velious in the past 8 months.

Counterpoint nobody but a select few saw VP, the endgame zone, in the kunark era.

[Whirled]

I think I saw a dragon once... for a few seconds...

[Raev]

Counterpoint nobody but a select few saw VP, the endgame zone, in the kunark era.

we shall write on your tombstone, "One of the Select Few to See Project 1999 Velious North Temple of Veeshan Pixel Dragons and Loot Thereof"

[Erati]

Raev - I want a new MDS Solo Artist challenge

make it so !

[Juevento]

I think I saw a dragon once... for a few seconds...

Serves you right for trying to zone into ToV when your betters are fighting mobs at the entrance.

[Man0warr]

Counterpoint nobody but a select few saw VP, the endgame zone, in the kunark era.

Because no one got enough keys before Velious launched. Maybe 1 guild per server had enough and VP was pretty unforgiving with no foreknowledge of it's mechanics.

The guild I was in on RZ didn't even bother going back to VP but a handful of times after Velious.

[Triangle]

Counterpoint nobody but a select few saw VP, the endgame zone, in the kunark era.

I've thought about this too. But, apart from some neat clickies and a handful of BIS gear, VP really wasn't game-breaking. Even if you had every item from VP, you weren't substantially better (gear-wise) than someone in a casual guild.

That does not hold true in Velious, as there is a stark difference b/w NTOV/Doze/Top-end Kael items and the items someone in a casual guild can achieve.

Secondly, Velious does not have a ton to do if you aren't in a raiding guild. It is also not as immersive a world as classic, or even kunark. As far as the dungeons go, Velks does an OK job of replacing sebilis, with the only problem being that sebilis actually had BIS gear in Kunark and velks doesn't come close). SG does a poor job of replacing HS (it is fun and challenging but there are like 2-3 items worth getting and they all drop from a super rare/random spawn mob with a minor dragon-difficulty PH). DN is similar to chardok for me, and it does a nice job of replacing it.

That being said, I disagree with OP. EQ, without PVP, becomes a boring game when there is no more content to be released, especially when you consider Velious' bleakness outside its top raid zones. A fresh server would be amazing.

[Whirled]

Serves you right for trying to zone into ToV when your betters are fighting mobs at the entrance.

IKR?! what was I thinking going to work, paying bills, taking care of responsibilities & attempting to have a better life? Surely, pixels was the proper choice and I must seek penance for such atrocities.

[ArumTP]

I've thought about this too. But, apart from some neat clickies and a handful of BIS gear, VP really wasn't game-breaking. Even if you had every item from VP, you weren't substantially better (gear-wise) than someone in a casual guild.

That does not hold true in Velious, as there is a stark difference b/w NTOV/Doze/Top-end Kael items and the items someone in a casual guild can achieve.

Secondly, Velious does not have a ton to do if you aren't in a raiding guild. It is also not as immersive a world as classic, or even kunark.

I concur, but other expansions fix this?

A lot of complaints stem from those guilds formerly in class R, that never actually participated in actual end game raiding. Now when actually confronted head on with that part of the raid scene, they don't like it and complain quite vocally to everyone that will listen.

Literally the only way to separate the casuals that are perpetually behind is continuously add expansions, which isn't going to happen.

[Erati]

VP clickies add abilities to characters they otherwise could not perform indefinitely

Velious gear honestly only really separates the Main tanks of the guilds - A/A MTs are mega beefy which helps with the trickle down effect on the smaller number / 'lesser target' raids

Most clerics and casters have maybe gained 700 mana - 900 mana if they really bearded hard and have acquired a few BIS but in the big picture thats literally 1.5 more heals/nukes.

Hardly game breaking since the majority of Velious was in fact cleared out with Kunark gear. Once you start getting FT stacked high though I could see that being a huge factor but again you need to have that for all your clerics to keep chains working properly, not just 1 person.

[Pokesan]

Are you worried a new server will interfere with your market manipulations?

Blue launched in 2009, it's been quite long enough to reboot the universe.

[khysanth]

Schnick just doesn't want a new server to ruin his RMT empire ;) You guys all know how active he is in EC!

[Raev]

I think people underestimate the Velious dungeons. DN, Sirens Grotto, and Velketor's are all well designed and challenging. The problem is they are miserably itemized in comparison to Sebilis, let alone NTOV. If Verant had been more aggressive there, and considering Kael and TOV East/West are also doable with pretty low numbers, I don't think Velious group content would lose to Kunark.

The difference is that there is way more (and better) raid content, and because that content is so much harder than the 32K HP boss fights of Kunark the massive gear upgrades actually kind of matter (or would if A/A didn't field 750 players on average). It's interesting to me that BDA toughed out all of Kunark and left within 8 months of Velious. Let's take Chest for example. In Kunark, he was 3 slots behind a VP geared monk. In Velious without any NTOV gear he gets crushed. He's 500-1000 HP and 300 AC and like 40 resist all behind a NTOV monk, not to mention doing 25% less damage. Granted Monk is one of the classes that gets the biggest upgrades from Velious; the difference isn't quite so extreme with casters or plate classes that get solid gear in HOT.

What is surprising me though is that the insane competition is continuing over Velious even though there is no new expansion on the horizon. I mean, to me the purpose of gear is to beat the next expansion. You don't need full BIS for Vulak (died opening night in Kunark gear) you need it for Aten Ha Ra or Emperor Ssraeshza. The biggest reason Rampage and TMO were going so hard in VP was that they wanted to gear up for Velious as much as possible. I'll be very curious to see how much longer this lasts. OTOH I heard through the grapevine that Getsome is back and forming a new guild, so who knows!

Personally I'm not that interested in Recycle 99 as I feel like I already beat classic EQ. Even on Project 1999 I think I've been able to do some cool things strategy wise; on Recycle 99 it would be purely whoever neckbearded out the most. What I'd love to see is Nilbog recruit 4-5 new devs to recreate Luclin/POP. Failing that I'd love to see the Project 1999 staff switch to a more nostalgic view of the server and institute some GM rotations and see if it's possible to do NTOV with 25 and AOW with 40. But since neither of those are happening I don't see myself doing much raiding at this point.

[myriverse]

Counterpoint nobody but a select few saw VP, the endgame zone, in the kunark era.
That really is not a counterpoint.

However... I never saw VP during live. Most people that I associated with weren't even halfway through Kunark when Velious came out (I was in OT).

[Tewaz]

I know its not in the classic timeline, but this is one of the huge advantages of adding Luclin. So many more raid bosses. And if PoP is implemented (Without a plane of knowledge, of course) their are 10+ tiers of raiding. Low level guilds will have a blast playing around in Seb and NToV and Grieg's End and and all these other places and the neckbeards can sock each other for elemental and time.

It's not classic, but it really would relieve the pressure at the top. It would make absolutely zero since to put any time into killing anything in low tier Luclin through classic if PoP high end is around.

[xexbis0]

PvP Teams.

Also, there is certainly a case for a recycle. You literally made a thread because of an imaginary threat to your EC Tunnelquesting "Empire".

[Erati]

Raev seems so happy to be playing EQ

/miss u

[Daldaen]

Luclin and PoP would be baller $$$.

[Tewaz]

Daldaen on the Luclin PoP train? I never expected this.

[Crawdad]

I wanna see 100k White Dragon Helms, ring 10, shawl quest, sleeper Avatar weapons on majority before we actually start anything 'new' again.


Waking Sleeper takes you from ~a dozen primals to 0-4 per ST clear. Good luck with seeing those on a 'majority'.

[Raev]

Luclin and PoP would be baller $$$.

Doesn't POP have actual raid size limits? This would be interesting when combined with variance and 24/7 attempts.

No Recycle99 until I can buy all relevant gear in the tunnel

Also I just actually read the OP and realized how silly it was.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Chardok revamp will change everything, server will be fixed, drama will end.

[NegaStoat]

I kind of don't get the desire for a new pure blue server with the exact same classic elements from start to finish. Let's face it - the game had some really STUPID stuff that stayed stupid until changed, like hybrid experience penalty for instance.

Wouldn't it make more sense for the current P1999 server to remain as a museum piece of classic, and a new blue server to launch with a sharply limited number of 'fixes' to make class and race selections less of a headache?

[Tewaz]

If they locked our server at the end of velious and made a brand new server starting at Velious and moving through PoP with all characters copied over, everyone would play it, guaranteed.

[Dinbin]

If they locked our server at the end of velious and made a brand new server starting at Velious and moving through PoP with all characters copied over, everyone would play it, guaranteed.
That would probably clear up the congestion on current blue... that's for sure...

[ghakim]

Luclin/Pop is never coming to P99. It has been stated time after time by the devs here.

Not sure why people keep bringing it up.

There are other servers whose intention is to stop at PoP however.

[xexbis0]

Luclin/Pop is never coming to P99. It has been stated time after time by the devs here.

Not sure why people keep bringing it up.

There are other servers whose intention is to stop at PoP however.

We'll see Luclin and PoP on Project 1999 when George RR Martin finishes the last 2 GoT novels.

[NarcolepticLTD]

Luclin/Pop is never coming to P99. It has been stated time after time by the devs here.

Not sure why people keep bringing it up.

There are other servers whose intention is to stop at PoP however.

takp is actually pretty fun, even if it's a ghost town off peak.

[Thulack]

I havent read any replies but my answer is because they "missed out on the start" and think they if they got to play from the beginning they could have all the cool things and see dragons and monsters that they werent able to here. Sadly they dont realize that there are still people with more ambition and time on their hands that will still keep them from getting those manastones or guises or seeing a dragon during actual classic timeline. Its wishful thinking on their part to be able to be on the top of a fresh server.

[Thulack]

Daldaen on the Luclin PoP train? I never expected this.

You must not know that Dald still(or at least last time i checked) played Live servers and enjoyed it. Just because he wants things classic doesnt mean he didnt enjoy the game past velious he just wants things done properly and era specific.

[Tewaz]

Luclin and PoP really need to be in the cards, but if it took them this long on Velious, I can't imagine how long Luclin would take, that expansion was GIGANTIC.

[Izmael]

The devs stated numerous times there would be no expansions after Velious. Praise that.

We need Green99 because running around in mesh armor and fine steel swords is what REAL EQ is about.

Also make it so the mobs hit harder on Green99.
Getting raped by mobs IS classic.

[LGraves]

I thought a green server just meant it was a separate.. pre-kunark vanilla server. I really don't see a need to recycle a server and delete everything.

A new vanilla server is what i'm down for. Recycling the current server would just be a slap in the face to us who have just recently started on this p99 blue server.

I could care less about manastones and guises. I just think it would be cool for the top raids to be the planes and Vox/Naggy. it's your choice to play on that server or not.

[Thulack]

I thought a green server just meant it was a separate.. pre-kunark vanilla server. I really don't see a need to recycle a server and delete everything.

A new vanilla server is what i'm down for. Recycling the current server would just be a slap in the face to us who have just recently started on this p99 blue server.

I could care less about manastones and guises. I just think it would be cool for the top raids to be the planes and Vox/Naggy. it's your choice to play on that server or not.

The thing is is that if youre not in a guild now that does high end velious stuff on p99 you will still never see the planes/vox/naggy on a new server.

[Foxplay]

TLDR;

Make Raiding Great Again!

[Ivory]

The thing is is that if youre not in a guild now that does high end velious stuff on p99 you will still never see the planes/vox/naggy on a new server.

That is fine...because everyone will be having too much fun doing quests and getting equipment :D Just farming plat and trying to buy everything won't work, because people will actually be using what they get and there won't be a lot for sale for quite a while.

So people will actually do quests like the Burning Rapier and be proud of how uber it is when they get it :D Actually going to different zones and adventuring! Not just jumping on the level treadmill and trying to get max level as fast as they can.

[Priceline]

There's no case for new blue server (ie recycle)

says the EC tunnel rat, nooooo my platinums... precious...

[Thulack]

There's no case for new blue server (ie recycle)

says the EC tunnel rat, nooooo my platinums... precious...

You must not realize that the start of a fresh server is way better for a tunnel rat then what p99 has to offer. So much buying and selling to be done on a clean slate.

[Swish]

Summary of this thread is basically: Tunnel fat cat doesn't want new server because his virtual currency will become worthless.

I'm not the first to say it, but when I saw the thread title and the poster I certainly knew why he posted it.

[schnickusaurus]

Hate to break the analysis Swish, but new server only tripples my plat. Liquidize, rebuy all items in full before nerf, then enjoy same ride up again.

Didnt you know what the rats main ability is? Lol:)

[Swish]

Hate to break the analysis Swish, but new server only tripples my plat. Liquidize, rebuy all items in full before nerf, then enjoy same ride up again.

Didnt you know what the rats main ability is? Lol:)

You can't trade between servers (if you're talking about moving plat from one server to another)...also if you can only queue for one pixel camp at a time, you're going to have to be very picky. Top items are going to have long lines.

Also also, you're going to have to level 20 hours a day to keep up with the top welfare collectors. Have you got a job or life outside of P99? If so, you're going to fall behind.

I'm amused at how much leverage you think you'll have on a server where nobody has anything and can't trade anything from anywhere else.

[schnickusaurus]

Liquidize blue , rebuy same stuff on green :) no need move any plat. Green is cheap

[schnickusaurus]

But i doubt a new server. Why crash blue 1999?

[Swish]

What do you mean by "liquidize blue"?

[Laugher]

I would think the economy on blue would look just about the same regardless, if anything a new server would prolong blue's longevity by making blue 1 of the 2 permanent homes to the transient chars of recycle servers. I am sure that recycles would have time periods in between too, which means anyone brought over by re99 would eventually end up in your court, where you have several years more /played in your favor.

bottom line: Sure re99 would probably be a player sink for the permanent servers temporarily, but I doubt it'd have negative effects on Blue's economy in the long term if the above setup occurred given that at some point Blue won't have any more Velious to progress through.

[Manticmuse]

Liquidize blue , rebuy same stuff on green :) no need move any plat. Green is cheap

I'm having a hard time coming up with a meaning to what you said other than you plan on selling your blue gains for money and then using that money to buy stuff on green. Please elaborate.

[snergle]

We'll see Luclin and PoP on Project 1999 when George RR Martin finishes the last 2 GoT novels.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/ChzUPjWVAAAvl6v.mp4

Liquidize blue , rebuy same stuff on green :) no need move any plat. Green is cheap

So you plan to sell all items on blue then rmt your plat and buy more on green?

:flips the braknar switch:

[Priceline]

:flips the braknar switch:

Him getting smited by the all mighty before he could $ektor off blue would be just about the most hilarious thing I've seen.

[schnickusaurus]

Nope, liquidize = sell it, plat is king.
Recycle server = do the same run there as ive done here ie buy low sell high lol
In the end have 2 accounts with plat is king just 3 times higher cuz id join recycle earlier than i joined blue :)

Why do ppl keep talking about RMT? Cuz they are trolls :p

[Swish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/ChzUPjWVAAAvl6v.mp4



So you plan to sell all items on blue then rmt your plat and buy more on green?

:flips the braknar switch:

He'll definitely be watching now, tread carefully Schweiwuiewwe-saurus

[Thulack]

Funny thing people talking about RMT. RMT would skyrocket if a recycle server came about. Anyone switching to new server and doesnt care about rules will just RMT off blue.

[schnickusaurus]

Dilemma thought, higher plat for all server members due to 2 accounts. What does this mean? Inflation :p which is the only solid argument why it might not be worth selling off items like manastone, beads, ornate velium pendants etc :p strict patch time schedule on green further support this argument.

So im in a dilemma really :p

[schnickusaurus]

Im more and more leaning towards keeping my removables on blue , quit that server and just ec mule through the green and double that portfolio. Then merge server and manastones, CoS etc all double in value due to inflation. Yaa it all clears up now to me.

My question is still why crash blue? You can obviously see that the high plat / unenployed ppl will move green and abandon blue. Whats the point of crashing blue so fast after less than 1 year velious? As some claim is needed...

[Swish]

Im more and more leaning towards keeping my removables on blue , quit that server and just ec mule through the green and double that portfolio. Then merge server and manastones, CoS etc all double in value due to inflation. Yaa it all clears up now to me.

My question is still why crash blue? You can obviously see that the high plat / unenployed ppl will move green and abandon blue. Whats the point of crashing blue so fast after less than 1 year velious? As some claim is needed...

http://i.imgur.com/hUpjxpb.gif

Good luck on whatever you decide to do in 2021.

[fastboy21]

This server has become such a strange evolutionary mutant creature of what EQ means to me...

I love EQ, but the current state of this server is....just....weird. P99 is no longer EQ, it is the strange living results of an experiment in a static classic server.

I love p99, but I really feel like it is actually more beneficial to the original project's mission to start over on a classic timeline. Let the beast die.

[Swish]

This server has become such a strange evolutionary mutant creature of what EQ means to me...

I love EQ, but the current state of this server is....just....weird. P99 is no longer EQ, it is the strange living results of an experiment in a static classic server.

I love p99, but I really feel like it is actually more beneficial to the original project's mission to start over on a classic timeline. Let the beast die.

Sad but I have to agree, Kunark stretched out a long time...pre-Kunark was a good era, not so stretched out.

Would happily give it all up to start again.

[schnickusaurus]

Essentially the dev team has a dilemma .. Green will make the above even worse. Ie the crazyness you have observed in blue will actually be even more severe on green, meaning you cant even get further away from classic than that.

Green will take away the loot blind top guilds and the worst ec mules and attract the very worst. All except from the 'classic lets equip banded'-people which some seems to hope.

You could argue that this is good for blue, since the normal people will remain on blue.

Afraid its wrong, blue will die then because of 2 things:

-the gold can be found on green
-people move with the people since without the people EQ dies, like it did to World of Warcraft launch

So im really supporting the idea of letting it all be. Theres no case for a green new server, its only a dilemma to devs as they want make classic green however its a gold rush project they are creating, much more effective and crazy than blue, with well trained resellers , raid people and farmers than ever before.

Theres no case for a green imo therefore

[Swish]

Who'd have thought a tunnel fat cat with millions of amassed plat would make a case against a new server.

Transparent-u-saurus

[Randy]

I don't see restarting the server spreading the wealth around all that much. The same people will monopolize content. There will be less plat that people stocked up over the years but that's all.

I'd like to see an original EQ server only, no Kunark or Velious. The end game content runs out so quick, racing to that shit is near pointless and it becomes more about the journey, having fun instead of grinding.

[Pokesan]

Who'd have thought a tunnel fat cat with millions of amassed plat would make a case against a new server.

Transparent-u-saurus

lol

[schnickusaurus]

The mistake Dev team did, was the part '..and later we will merge green with blue' :p

You see if you would have 2 servers not being merged eventually, people like myself wouldnt even bother to quit blue and beat the EC tunnel quest on green. But its the link, the promiss to merge, that gives this 'chi-ching '-plat idea up in my head :)

Same thing goes with unemployed farmers. The only reason they will quit blue and join green, is the eventual merge. Since why farm fungies @ 45k when you can get 200k+ Later on after merge for manastones that you can farm on green.


Now if they didnt say merge , these people would be more of a 50/50 .
The ppl who want cheap kunark gear and raid velious stays blue. The people who want true classic goes to green.

The merge however, is the death of blue and a greater greed gold rush p1999 is instead born on green, which in that case would be alot unlike classic.

I know Swish and Pokesan hates my EC tunnel habbits, and you dont trust me, but if I really wanted plat forever id actually be pro green + merge since a new server is the best resell-opportunity of all with loads and loads of good new removable deals and varying/unset prices. Its really the easiest scenario to make plat in the tunnel. All thats needed is 10-20k really that would make 100k from reselling quite fast :p

[Swish]

There you go devs, you're making mistakes apparently...better get the tunnel rats on side to make a better future for us all.

[Ravager]

I'd like to see an original EQ server only, no Kunark or Velious. The end game content runs out so quick, racing to that shit is near pointless and it becomes more about the journey, having fun instead of grinding.

History begs to differ.

[Pokesan]

The mistake Dev team did, was the part '..and later we will merge green with blue' :p

You see if you would have 2 servers not being merged eventually, people like myself wouldnt even bother to quit blue and beat the EC tunnel quest on green. But its the link, the promiss to merge, that gives this 'chi-ching '-plat idea up in my head :)

Same thing goes with unemployed farmers. The only reason they will quit blue and join green, is the eventual merge. Since why farm fungies @ 45k when you can get 200k+ Later on after merge for manastones that you can farm on green.


Now if they didnt say merge , these people would be more of a 50/50 .
The ppl who want cheap kunark gear and raid velious stays blue. The people who want true classic goes to green.

The merge however, is the death of blue and a greater greed gold rush p1999 is instead born on green, which in that case would be alot unlike classic.

I know Swish and Pokesan hates my EC tunnel habbits, and you dont trust me, but if I really wanted plat forever id actually be pro green + merge since a new server is the best resell-opportunity of all with loads and loads of good new removable deals and varying/unset prices. Its really the easiest scenario to make plat in the tunnel. All thats needed is 10-20k really that would make 100k from reselling quite fast :p

scram, vampire.

[Lojik]

New server: +-90% variance on everything except trigger spawns. Raid mobs will be pretty much either all in window or up...have fun trying to keep everything on lock down then, regular mobs too so harder to just afk farm shit. Also makes dungeon crawls less predictable.

Limit damage spells/songs to 10 mobs

No account transfers

Some kind of group xp bonus...maybe 20% member?

Legacy items: Drop for longer period but at a terrible drop rate

[iruinedyourday]

Jesus op having a melt down.

We here true p99ers are here for bark shields nurga.

[Priceline]

I think OP is that tactical living fellow philmcrackhead, his replies in this thread are about the right word count.

[Ivory]

The green server would cycle into the normal server every 3-5 years.... lol, who sees that and goes "yesss, now I can play the long EC tunnel game and get all the money in 5 years!!!!!!!!".

Know what else you could work for in 5 years? A career...a real one...with real money....

[Izmael]

Green2016 please.

Could have people donate $10 per account for the server costs. Only the donators could play on green for the few first months.

Green2016

[Thulack]

Green2016 please.

Could have people donate $10 per account for the server costs. Only the donators could play on green for the few first months.

Green2016

lol youre cute :rolleyes:

[Raev]

I'm sure a new Blue server is coming. I mean Nilbog wouldn't be so concerned about making everything era appropriate (even in reverse) if they weren't planning on that.

The biggest thing a new server needs is PBAOE limited to ~20 targets (its classic; no one's PCs could handle the 150+ pulls we see in Chardok). Chardok probably generates **nearly 50% of all XP on the server**. When you think about it that way, it's just insane how much Chardok has fucked literally everything up. Raiding being this silly 'level 10 alts and park or else'. And then having to gear all those new cloned toons. I mean imagine how much less contested epics would have been without Chardok. I'll stop here but maybe Xoquil will add a few pages :p

[Priceline]

The biggest thing a new server needs is PBAOE limited to ~20 targets (its classic; no one's PCs could handle the 150+ pulls we see in Chardok).

Do this for bard aoe dots as well, they'll still try and our lands but it will take them longer.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You cannot outlaw power leveling. Granted, Chardok is the extreme example of how low down bitches weasel their chars to 60, like I did when I skipped lvl 59.

But isn't this part of a much, much larger picture? The fact is "classic" eq needs some serious gm'ing to make things not lame or clusterfucked to death.

Just simply saying "no boxing!" is a well-done first step, to be sure. But there are like two dozen more steps.

My view is, p99 apparently is meant to be some "proof of concept" for game archiving. Notice to devs: point taken.

Given the content lock, unless the next step is to actual gm this thing, there is little point to play the server except for a nostalgia fix. But Chardok AE is just one thing on the list.

I'll admit I'm jaded, btw. Totally. And I had some fun times. But given the content lock, gm'ing this thing is the next logical step. I'm sticking to that position. That's the issue with p99.

[Daywolf]

Why do people want to quit velious this early? Whats the point of all Devs work with velious if people wont even experience it in full?
There's no wipe coming to blue, never seen them talk about doing that. They talk about an entirely new progression server, not a wipe. Only peeps blurting out wipe/reset are the r99 players (what few there are) and the [certain] nubcakes just starting that think that'll put them on an even playing field of some sort, as if one person could conquer all of EQ and be deemed Ultimate Hero. Aint happenin'

[Raev]

You cannot outlaw power leveling. Granted, Chardok is the extreme example of how low down bitches weasel their chars to 60, like I did when I skipped lvl 59.

I didn't propose outlawing powerleveling; I proposed capping PBAOE spells at ~20 NPCs. These are not the same thing at all.

Monks, Necros, SKs, Druids, Shamans, Enchanters, Clerics, etc could all still powerlevel just fine. Even Bards if they were using Charm (Zanderr used to do this at low levels IIRC).

Meanwhile, aside from Chardok capping PABOE spells at ~20 has plenty of other beneficial effects: the Plane of Fear can no longer be nuked down in 10-15 minutes, Bards aren't constantly monopolizing outdoor zones, etc.

The reality is that no one could do these things anyway in classic due to hardware limitations. And considering how incredibly pernicious they are, I think the devs should be jumping on any excuse to nerf them.

[Triangle]

Does anyone else recall that, in classic eq, only 5-6 mobs would engage (melee range) one person at one time? The rest would just run around a short distance away as if feared. That doesn't happen here, but it would be a classic way to add strife to Chardok aoe.

[Lojik]

Does anyone else recall that, in classic eq, only 5-6 mobs would engage (melee range) one person at one time? The rest would just run around a short distance away as if feared. That doesn't happen here, but it would be a classic way to add strife to Chardok aoe.

I remember that, but I have no evidence nor do I remember if this was velious or luclin timeline or whatever

[Vibe]

I think people underestimate the Velious dungeons. DN, Sirens Grotto, and Velketor's are all well designed and challenging. The problem is they are miserably itemized in comparison to Sebilis, let alone NTOV. If Verant had been more aggressive there, and considering Kael and TOV East/West are also doable with pretty low numbers, I don't think Velious group content would lose to Kunark.

The difference is that there is way more (and better) raid content, and because that content is so much harder than the 32K HP boss fights of Kunark the massive gear upgrades actually kind of matter (or would if A/A didn't field 750 players on average). It's interesting to me that BDA toughed out all of Kunark and left within 8 months of Velious. Let's take Chest for example. In Kunark, he was 3 slots behind a VP geared monk. In Velious without any NTOV gear he gets crushed. He's 500-1000 HP and 300 AC and like 40 resist all behind a NTOV monk, not to mention doing 25% less damage. Granted Monk is one of the classes that gets the biggest upgrades from Velious; the difference isn't quite so extreme with casters or plate classes that get solid gear in HOT.

What is surprising me though is that the insane competition is continuing over Velious even though there is no new expansion on the horizon. I mean, to me the purpose of gear is to beat the next expansion. You don't need full BIS for Vulak (died opening night in Kunark gear) you need it for Aten Ha Ra or Emperor Ssraeshza. The biggest reason Rampage and TMO were going so hard in VP was that they wanted to gear up for Velious as much as possible. I'll be very curious to see how much longer this lasts. OTOH I heard through the grapevine that Getsome is back and forming a new guild, so who knows!

Personally I'm not that interested in Recycle 99 as I feel like I already beat classic EQ. Even on Project 1999 I think I've been able to do some cool things strategy wise; on Recycle 99 it would be purely whoever neckbearded out the most. What I'd love to see is Nilbog recruit 4-5 new devs to recreate Luclin/POP. Failing that I'd love to see the Project 1999 staff switch to a more nostalgic view of the server and institute some GM rotations and see if it's possible to do NTOV with 25 and AOW with 40. But since neither of those are happening I don't see myself doing much raiding at this point.


Hell no, don't listen to this guy and bring in luclin/pop .... Keep this shit classic. Velious is enough.

[nyclin]

I remember that, but I have no evidence nor do I remember if this was velious or luclin timeline or whatever

I remember first discovering this during AOE sessions in The Grey and Fungus Grove, so who knows. It was easily negated by an Enchanter PBAE stunning, though.