What are the Differences Between Trump and Hilary?

[Lurikeen]

OK Trump devotees and Hilary cultists. Now is your chance to tell us what the differences are between these two candidates. If you are a Bernie supporter go ahead and chime in, but that socialist wiener has no chance of scoring over the Hilary caused erectile dysfunction in the Democratic party.

Go!

[Pokesan]

well their names are different, kinda?

[Pokesan]

oh also trump is a boy and i'm fairly certain hillary is a girl

[JurisDictum]

TBH, I feel like Trump is a blackbox. The way the GoP establishment acted toward him threw me a bit. Like they know something we don't. That isn't necessarily good.

He could be surprisingly moderate. He contradicts himself publicly while speaking -- He basically said taxes will go up on the rich, something a Republican would never negotiate in 2012. He sometimes talks about the wall like it was just a rhetorical devise to get votes... in his stump speeches!

It's probably a strategy so you assume he supports the thing you like, and you assume he's just saying the shit you don't like because he's running for president. But I honestly wouldn't know what a Trump presidency would look like.

Clinton will be similar to Obama with a few differences:

Clinton isn't as good at public speaking as Obama (who is?). She is less likely to adopt a conciliatory "bring them all together" tone that Obama usually uses. She is more aggressive and sharp in tone and less authentic sounding at times.

Clinton will probably have a more clearly defined foreign policy. She will probably be more likely to engage in countries (learning her lesson from Egypt/Libya) in all kinds of ways. She talks about soft power, but she is a hard power kind of women imo.

Clinton will probably be better at getting her agenda pushed through than Obama was. Obama spent most of his political capital on the Affordable Care Act. Obama didn't even have a damn health plan until sometime after the Iowa Caucus. He frankly -- was a shitty choice out of all the democrat candidates to push healthcare. He knew nothing about it and it showed in the final law. You couldn't have wrote a better law for insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry. It wasn't as bad as Republicans pretend, but it could have been a lot better if we had someone with enough insider power to take on the insurance and drug lobbyists.

[Daywolf]

You making your case as Blitzers has already done, for voting for Hillary?

It's more like what's the difference between Hillary and Ted with his Neocon posse. Nothing at all, only that Ted has been seemingly eliminated already.

Anyway Hillary goin to prison, so 'what difference does it make?'

http://i.imgur.com/I8412un.jpg

[JurisDictum]

Whenever people adopt the "it makes no difference" argument. I just think about Bush v Gore. This shit does matter -- even if they are more watered down than you would like.

Some people seem to be of a mind if you can't unilaterally change a country to your vision (all within the first 100 days of coarse) than your just a lying politician that's just like the rest of them. It's just an ignorant perspective. I don't know how to put it any softer.

That being said -- I'm not sure this election is totally Bush v Gore in importance. Unfortunately, I don't have a crystal ball. But its basically guaranteed something will happen that provides the president opportunities to show how they are unique from others. Even Bush had his moment under the towers...unfortunately he also had the war in Iraq...

[Pokesan]

Whenever people adopt the "it makes no difference" argument. I just think about Bush v Gore. This shit does matter -- even if they are more watered down than you would like.

Some people seem to be of a mind if you can't unilaterally change a country to your vision (all within the first 100 days of coarse) than your just a lying politician that's just like the rest of them. It's just an ignorant perspective. I don't know how to put it any softer.

That being said -- I'm not sure this election is totally Bush v Gore in importance. Unfortunately, I don't have a crystal ball. But its basically guaranteed something will happen that provides the president opportunities to show how they are unique from others. Even Bush had his moment under the towers...unfortunately he also had the war in Iraq...

What did Obama accomplish that's so much better than what McCan or Romney would have?

[JurisDictum]

What did Obama accomplish that's so much better than what McCan or Romney would have?

I'm positive McCain would have started another war. I think it's likely Romney would have cut taxes (making the deficit worse) and then claim the market forces that currently have our economy recovering was his doing.

I'd have to sit here and imagine a whole alternate reality to do much better than that. Bush v Gore is a good example because its fucking obvious Gore wouldn't have started a war in Iraq. But its not always so obvious exactly how one presidency might be different from another.

Generally speaking, I dislike the republican party because I feel like they cut programs ostensibly to be fiscally responsible -- but then they spend more money than the god damn democrat would have on stupid shit that helps no one (or just a crony).

[Daywolf]

Whenever people adopt the "it makes no difference" argument. I just think about Bush v Gore. This shit does matter -- even if they are more watered down than you would like.I hope you do realize the semi-quote I injected by context was simply to be profoundly ironic. https://youtu.be/8INIH0JfNA8
It makes a lot of difference...
Odd that famed semi-quote, Hillary, bloody hands, prison, led you to think of Bush v Gore... *shrugs*

One difference for sure between Donald and Hillary, Donald doesn't have a trail of dead bodies in his wake. And not speaking of just (https://youtu.be/OgZI49J_tF0) Benghazi, but Benghazi is just blatant and really needs deeper federal investigation just like Tower#7 (https://youtu.be/972ETepp4GI). But if she simply gets 10yrs for the email scandal, well that's a start.

[Pokesan]

I'm positive McCain would have started another war. I think it's likely Romney would have cut taxes (making the deficit worse) and then claim the market forces that currently have our economy recovering was his doing.

I'd have to sit here and imagine a whole alternate reality to do much better than that. Bush v Gore is a good example because its fucking obvious Gore wouldn't have started a war in Iraq. But its not always so obvious exactly how one presidency might be different from another.

Generally speaking, I dislike the republican party because I feel like they cut programs ostensibly to be fiscally responsible -- but then they spend more money than the god damn democrat would have on stupid shit that helps no one (or just a crony).

You didn't answer the question. What did OBAMA accomplish?

[JurisDictum]

You didn't answer the question. What did OBAMA accomplish?

A few things I like that he did off the top of my head:

ACA -- not good enough, but better than before by any objective measure. I have to say though -- its amazing how many people in the South say their healthcare went to shit. Specifically that region. It could just be politics but it might be more.

Banks out of federal college loans -- Mitt would never agree. Considering were the only advanced country stupid enough to saddle our workforce with big college debt -- at least we could give them a decent interest rate.

the Iran Nuclear deal -- We are basically letting a right-wing neocolonial state (Israel) drive us to war with a huge region of the world (the middle east). The deal was the first sensible thing we did in a long time for stability in the long run.

Economic stimulus-- Republicans wouldn't have done this. It's too bad, because then we would have had another Hoover/FDR situation after everyone found out their bullshit austerity measures don't help depressed economies. Instead we elected a democrat, and Republicans had the very easy job to bitch about the 2009-12 economy and blame it on Obama.


My big problem with Obama is that he didn't do more of what he wanted to do. He also hasn't done shit with military contracts or budget. Or the military in general. The god damn military is getting out of control. This is what happened to Japan right up until they attacked Pearl Harbor. You can't let a military bureaucracy run a country.

[Zorlon]

Economic stimulus-- Republicans wouldn't have done this.

Wat. G-Dubs did an economic stimulus and everyone in the country got a check in the mail for like $600. I bought a new laptop with it. Fuck all the haters.