Not on board

[Brutality]

Tempests decision to turn to dkp has taken away all my motivation to raid. What this does is reward people merely for showing up, and does not encourage taking a proactive part in the raid, encourages sandbagging ect. Yall wont see me for awhile.

With love
Grandmaster Chiggen

[krazyGlue]

No1 gives a fuck about you faggot .

[Brutality]

No1 gives a fuck about you faggot .
Hey krazy.. Right back at cha.. Pussy ;)

[Ragnaros]

Sorry to hear this man, you are welcome back at any time.
I'll miss you..
* gobble*

[Samsung]

Tempests decision to turn to dkp has taken away all my motivation to raid. What this does is reward people merely for showing up, and does not encourage taking a proactive part in the raid, encourages sandbagging ect. Yall wont see me for awhile.

With love
Grandmaster Chiggen

Good luck to you. You probably just need a long break anyways you went hard while in Empire. Hope to see you in the future, tell Gunzo Sektor says sup.

[Brutality]

Good luck to you. You probably just need a long break anyways you went hard while in Empire. Hope to see you in the future, tell Gunzo Sektor says sup.

Yea empire burned me out hard

[Stasis01]

Cya Chiggen you're a good dude, you only have a few items left that you need anyway why not bank up and go hard for em? Then you won't be beaten by any circle inside the circle bullshit?

[krazyGlue]

Is this the start of a new anon tranny forum troll ?

[Samsung]

Is this the start of a new anon tranny forum troll ?

You're trying to hard just stop.

[Zozo]

That sucks, White Meat (Chiggen) and The Stale Breadface Man (Crouton) are remarkable divine strength targets. Hope you come back.

[SteppinnRazor]

Damn man well to each their own. Just know you are welcome back if you ever get board

[Slathar]

Tempests decision to turn to dkp has taken away all my motivation to raid. What this does is reward people merely for showing up, and does not encourage taking a proactive part in the raid, encourages sandbagging ect. Yall wont see me for awhile.

With love
Grandmaster Chiggen

youre a terrible player and no one cares if you quit or not since it wont make any difference

[Stasis01]

You think a main puller in Empire is a nobody?

[letsjoe]

You think a main puller in Empire is a nobody?

ok this has to be a troll

[fiegi 8.0]

wonder what slathar would post about me if I were dumb and pathetic enough to make a thread like this

[Brutality]

Tbh kind of wondering what slathar is gonna do once TL box gets nerfed.. Quit? Or never leave blackburrow.. Pras ignore

[TacoSmasher]

Damn man well to each their own. Just know you are welcome back if you ever get board



oink

[EatitNerd]

Good luck to you. You probably just need a long break anyways you went hard while in Empire. Hope to see you in the future, tell Gunzo Sektor says sup.

Are you serious? Chiggen was the epitome of warm body dps in Empire, he did nothing outside of Kael and even then he bitched the whole fucking night, was annoying enough that he got a 1 month loot suspension from Gongshow

[EatitNerd]

You think a main puller in Empire is a nobody?

ok this has to be a troll

[Brutality]

This mad retard

[Salaryman]

I got tons of dkp sitting afk in a corner and It worked out cuz I was awarded the sheckle-rent hammer and then destroyed it foreever

[vouss]

cya loser

fyi TLC box's will always stay the way they are

[Colgate]

yea tbh this is a pretty weird thread coming from chiggen

[SamwiseRed]

warm body complaining about dkp is pretty ass backwards.

[OfftuneRZ]

You think a main puller in Empire is a nobody?

troll of the century. This wins forumquest

[Samsung]

yea tbh this is a pretty weird thread coming from chiggen

How is it weird? He's stating how he feels and is likely quitting for awhile.

[EatitNerd]

Good riddance, one of many tempest members who have already done the same and those others that will soon

[quido]

There's usually about 10 people in a guild that don't benefit from pure DKP, and they're generally the most useful players. Straight DKP systems are for when you have a powerful constituency of warmbodies and you're worried about them losing hope. Don't forget to Jibeknn it and make sure the playmakers get enough to screw the scrubs over anyways!

[Samsung]

There's usually about 10 people in a guild that don't benefit from pure DKP, and they're generally the most useful players. Straight DKP systems are for when you have a powerful constituency of warmbodies and you're worried about them losing hope. Don't forget to Jibeknn it and make sure the playmakers get enough to screw the scrubs over anyways!

Put in the time get the loot. Also we LC AoNs so those players that go to optional raids, donate pp and mallets to the guild get rewarded on top of winning loot from dkp.

[Uuruk]

No1 gives a fuck about you faggot .

Reported again.

[Uuruk]

I'm surprised Chiggen quit though. He could have saved up DKP for a fungi robe.

[EatitNerd]

I'm surprised Chiggen quit though. He could have saved up DKP for a fungi robe.

LOL

[Stasis01]

Ya I might save my DKP for when Nilbog puts the warders back in like he said he was going to, good call.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Put in the time get the loot. Also we LC AoNs so those players that go to optional raids, donate pp and mallets to the guild get rewarded on top of winning loot from dkp.

Donates pp to the guild?

Supposed to be the other way around.

[Xaanka]

Tempests decision to turn to dkp has taken away all my motivation to raid. What this does is reward people merely for showing up, and does not encourage taking a proactive part in the raid, encourages sandbagging ect. Yall wont see me for awhile.

With love
Grandmaster Chiggen

u took everquest way too seriously but u rolled monk and never learned how to pull, felt good when i started doubling your dps on every parse
bet u loved seeing a warmbody like me pull #1-3 on the charts consistently
your bro's cool tho

[Stasis01]

Who pulled 100% of the time then? Day after day for 9 months or whatever it was, 100% raid attendance if it wasn't big Chiggen?

[EatitNerd]

Who pulled 100% of the time then? Day after day for 9 months or whatever it was, 100% raid attendance if it wasn't big Chiggen?

Basically any other monk in Empire worth a damn, sooo yeah pretty much everyone but orochimaru

[Xaanka]

i dont think he ever pulled. dunno i was drunk at every raid i barely knew what was happening.

[TheBiznessTZ]

u took everquest way too seriously but u rolled monk and never learned how to pull, felt good when i started doubling your dps on every parse
bet u loved seeing a warmbody like me pull #1-3 on the charts consistently
your bro's cool tho

That's assuming you didn't die in the first 10 seconds like you did every mob EVERY MOB

[chealin]

gasoline calling somebody out about dying? cmon dude, you can call him out on anything else...but YOU calling somebody out for DYING!? LOL . Gasoline was doing corpse runs in his dreams irl.

[Xaanka]

gasoline calling somebody out about dying? cmon dude, you can call him out on anything else...but YOU calling somebody out for DYING!? LOL . Gasoline was doing corpse runs in his dreams irl.

I died a lot, probably more than gaso because i didnt afk through every raid like he did tho. A lot of it was on purpose 2 be fair, Anime dying became a meme and I rolled with it.

[iruinedyourday]

I died a lot, probably more than gaso because i didnt afk through every raid like he did tho. A lot of it was on purpose 2 be fair, Anime dying became a meme and I rolled with it.

Yea but you've never been a raid geared lvl 60 and ganked by a Mage ayy

[Xaanka]

Im just trollin cuz i know chiggen took those parses seriously tho. Nothin against u fam enjoy your break from EQ i had to do the same after empire and it feels good man.

[Sirban]

No1 gives a fuck about you faggot .

[Odann]

Yall wont see me for awhile.

With love
Grandmaster Chiggen

Unacceptable.

You promised we would ride off into the Sunset duo'ing dragons in WW after I got Torpor.

YOU PROMISED!!!?!?!?!?!?!




























Okay, I'm not mad anymore. You will be loved and missed.

[magician]

IM TALKIN BOUSY AND GWANNIN WASSY

[Heebo]

Chiggen only pulled King Tormax in Empire.

Even then he trained and killed the raid about 1/3 of the time.

[Uuruk]

Chiggen only pulled King Tormax in Empire.

Even then he trained and killed the raid about 1/3 of the time.

Lol this is true

[FAPhoenix]

Enjoy the break and your summer. DKP is great for warm bodies, but I can't be bothered to raid nearly enough to make it worth it...also TS really sucks without a lot of the Friends core in it anymore. And way too much drama...god its embarrassing...its a game guys come on.

[EatitNerd]

Enjoy the break and your summer. DKP is great for warm bodies, but I can't be bothered to raid nearly enough to make it worth it...also TS really sucks without a lot of the Friends core in it anymore. And way too much drama...god its embarrassing...its a game guys come on.

LOL.

[Farzo]

cya chiggen!! have fun ( p.s daoc inc soon )

[Farzo]

Put in the time get the loot. Also we LC AoNs so those players that go to optional raids, donate pp and mallets to the guild get rewarded on top of winning loot from dkp.

lol you're funny! pras the humour.

I guess you were not there to hear the silence in TS when the last AoN that dropped was awarded as prety much 10/16 people present uttered "wtf"?

[derpcake]

There's usually about 10 people in a guild that don't benefit from pure DKP, and they're generally the most useful players. Straight DKP systems are for when you have a powerful constituency of warmbodies and you're worried about them losing hope. Don't forget to Jibeknn it and make sure the playmakers get enough to screw the scrubs over anyways!

its easy enough to parse raids and see who isn't contributing

far easier then objective (lol) loot council calls are

[Xaanka]

never trust a loot council that doesn't let members listen to the decisions they're making (so, any and every loot council that has ever existed on p99)

[Colgate]

i don't think it would go over well if an 80 man raid listened in on a decision about 2 items a dragon droppe and a vast majority of those people aren't even considered

people would get seriously butthurt when they'd ask after a loot decision "hey was i even in the top 3" and we would say "no"

[iruinedyourday]

gotta say colgate was really good about handing out loot..

untill everyone had 100% RA for months, then I was like well fuck that, so i left lmao

moral of the story, what I personally saw, he was damn good at handing out loot.

[Xaanka]

i don't think it would go over well if an 80 man raid listened in on a decision about 2 items a dragon droppe and a vast majority of those people aren't even considered

people would get seriously butthurt when they'd ask after a loot decision "hey was i even in the top 3" and we would say "no"

ya on second thought that would be cripplingly retarded in an everquest guild. works really well on warcraft and other smaller raid force games.

empire never left me feeling sour about loot tbf

[Xaanka]

unironically tho, open rolls guilds own.

[quido]

its easy enough to parse raids and see who isn't contributing

far easier then objective (lol) loot council calls are

You must be speaking as a warmbody yourself because the kind of contributions that really matter and aren't a given don't really have a metric.

There's no easily available metric for comparing Colgate and Gongshow to Chiggen. There's no metric for a lot of very crucial differences in players. This is why in a good guild with loot council, each individual's contribution is weighed appropriately. Pure DKP systems fail to give the playmakers the credit they deserve and just add to the entitlement of warmbodies.

I would never seriously raid under a pure DKP system - it's a race to the bottom. However, I can see how they are sometimes necessary for a ragtag band of scrubs. Enjoy it.

[Ella`Ella]

Empire bathed me in loot. Would raid for Colgate/Gongshow again 10/10.

[Xaanka]

isn't the usual argument against dkp that it favors beards?

[iruinedyourday]

DKP is great if your guild regularlly downs targets and gets loot, but on blue for example, its terrible, becuse its like your guild fucking kills a target worth looting something on your main, maybe once a month.. so you have guilds full of members, banking huge DKP so it prevents anyone less than the top tear beards in the guild the ability to loot big ticket items...

I think in empire DKP woulda worked really well, becuse we basically got loot non stop, aka there is plenty to spend dkp on..

Like seriously on blue you're like, cool we get 1 gaunts of fiery might a week.

DKP/Loot council is terribad, its all the worst things about both.

IDK how well tempests is working out, I didnt mean to say they are terribad but if they are dkp/loot that might be a:

http://i.imgur.com/yjTaGC7.gif

[TheBiznessTZ]

I hardly died on raids... Idk why people think I died a lot... People still rustled by my Everquest style I guess.

[iruinedyourday]

I hardly died on raids... Idk why people think I died a lot... People still rustled by my Everquest style I guess.

we just assumed cus of how terribly you pvp

[TheBiznessTZ]

we just assumed cus of how terribly you pvp

That's why everyone that comes into pvp with me plugs out or dies?

[Gardur]

never trust a loot council that doesn't let members listen to the decisions they're making (so, any and every loot council that has ever existed on p99)

CS loot council was 5 players. Me (permanent) two officers ( rotating) and two members (randomed at start of raid)

Easy, open, inclusive, fair

Never really had any loot berger except Annamoose and Sithen.

Not that our pixels were anything special.

[EatitNerd]

CS had 8 people in it, of course the loot council for scout charisa worked just fine.

/facepalm

[Yuuvy The Destroyer]

CS loot council was 5 players. Me (permanent) two officers ( rotating) and two members (randomed at start of raid)

Easy, open, inclusive, fair

Never really had any loot berger except Annamoose and Sithen.

Not that our pixels were anything special.

I think the system only worked because there were only like 20 of us, and we didn't all hate each other.

[TheBiznessTZ]

I think the system only worked because there were only like 20 of us, and we didn't all hate each other.

Prob, pixels bring out the worst in people. Sad thing to see.

[Gardur]

Yeah. Yuuvy is probly right.

CS loot system worked because we are all bros.

[Farzo]

BROS B4 HOES

[vouss]

is it true tempest is going back to council to bring back players like chiggen?



















































nope LOL

[Ragnaros]

CS had 8 people in it, of course the loot council for scout charisa worked just fine.

/facepalm

spit out my morning coffee

[HippoNipple]

Loot council is needed, you just have to find a trust worthy group to be in charge. Otherwise you bleed crucial raiding classes for PvP classes since people aren't rewarded for playing PvE classes. If your team has a weakness it is nice for the council to utilize an item to strengthen it instead of letting someone waste the item. If you don't get the item but it allows your guild to do tougher content it is still a win for everyone. DKP ends up only benefiting the player who wins the loot, it causes more turnover because progression is stagnant, etc.

[Nirgon]

sad gobble

[Xaanka]

Loot council is needed, you just have to find a trust worthy group to be in charge. Otherwise you bleed crucial raiding classes for PvP classes since people aren't rewarded for playing PvE classes. If your team has a weakness it is nice for the council to utilize an item to strengthen it instead of letting someone waste the item. If you don't get the item but it allows your guild to do tougher content it is still a win for everyone. DKP ends up only benefiting the player who wins the loot, it causes more turnover because progression is stagnant, etc.

you say this almost as if everquest is a progression based game and you can't down all velious content in kunark gear

[HippoNipple]

you say this almost as if everquest is a progression based game and you can't down all velious content in kunark gear

It's not just about making the individual characters better it is mostly about class make up. DKP entices people to play worthless PvE classes because they will progress regardless. No, it won't kill you if a cleric doesn't get a belt over some druid but it will hurt if they decide to say fuck it, they can get the same upgrades being afk as an SK.

If upgrades come easier for needed PvE classes (as it should be) than more people will play them.

[Xaanka]

It's not just about making the individual characters better it is mostly about class make up. DKP entices people to play worthless PvE classes because they will progress regardless. No, it won't kill you if a cleric doesn't get a belt over some druid but it will hurt if they decide to say fuck it, they can get the same upgrades being afk as an SK.

If upgrades come easier for needed PvE classes (as it should be) than more people will play them.

maybe its just the low pop that makes everyone stockholm syndrome pussies in this game, but i would just guildkick chronic afkers and not recruit shadow knight #4323 in the first place.