Tserrina Syl'Tor in ToFS

[Zentile]

As recently as a few weeks ago, Tserrina Syl'Tor respawn rate, appearance rate and loot table were very different. I can't find any evidence on Allakazams that this is supposed to have changed.

Old Rates (from 100+ hours in ToFS)
Bats Respawn: every 20 minutes like the rest of ToFS
Tserrina Appearance Rate: 1 in every ~6 bats
Robe Drop: 1 in every ~6 kills

New Rates (from this past week)
Bats Respawn: every 60 minutes
Tserrina Appearance Rate: 1 in every ~12 bats
Robe Drop: 0 in past 23 kills

Would you mind having a look to see if this was an unintended consequence of recent server changes?

Thanks,

Zentile

[Predator3088]

I been there farming a robe as well for week. And i am talking 9+ hrs a day with no luck. Pop time right now is for sure 1hr repop time. Also can tell u in under 24hrs time i have seen 4 names out of 48 pops. Plz look into this so i can get my robe and move on lol

thxs

[Trelaboon]

Have been here for the last week also, part of the time grouping with these other players, sometimes soloing.

The spawn rates are definitely something that don't seem normal. One spawn every 6 or so hours just doesn't seem right.

[Freakish]

When I farmed my robe a couple months ago her spawn rate wasn't too bad. I want to say on average one per round of bats.Took about 6-8 kills to see everything on her table.

[Telin]

Respawn time is approximately an hour on the bats (PH).
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=3#comments

The May patch should have given her a surname and perhaps everything else was corrected in the process.

According to Magelo, the robe was a very rare drop.

[Predator3088]

u were crazy lucky to see all loot in 6-8 kills or something is wrong. we have killed 20+ easy names with no robe(most likely more like 30)

[Zentile]

Respawn time is approximately an hour on the bats (PH).
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=3#comments

The May patch should have given her a surname and perhaps everything else was corrected in the process.

According to Magelo, the robe was a very rare drop.

According to Magelo (http://eq.magelo.com/npc/420034), the symbol (6), whip (4), staff (4), and robe (1) dropped a total of 15 out of 63 times. We know that's simply wrong since she always drops one of those four so I don't know if Magelo is the definitive source here.

We're now up to 0 robes for 27 named kills. This is starting to feel a bit broken.

[Somekid123]

Farmed her roughly 3 months ago. Was getting one tserra every bat clearing. Only once did I not see her in maybe 8 clears but two full clears provided two Terra. 2 robes, 2 staffs, 1 whip, rest were necklaces.

[Telin]

According to Magelo (http://eq.magelo.com/npc/420034), the symbol (6), whip (4), staff (4), and robe (1) dropped a total of 15 out of 63 times. We know that's simply wrong since she always drops one of those four so I don't know if Magelo is the definitive source here.

We're now up to 0 robes for 27 named kills. This is starting to feel a bit broken.

No changes were noted in the patch, but I will research and make any necessary changes.

[Zentile]

According to Magelo, the robe was a very rare drop.

Here's what I could find on Allakhazams...

Post#1 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=2#m101631189326614)

1. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Robe
2. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Symbol
3. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Staff, Tserrina's Whip
4. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Whip
5. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Staff
6. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Robe

the robe doesn't look that rare, we wanted two Symbols and it just dropped once..though people said it was the most common item (besides of the mage-only item, which dropped every time)

Edit: Killed her a few more times yesterday with the same group than the first time, drops as follow:

1. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Robe
2. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Whip
3. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem
4. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Staff
5. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Symbol

Post#2 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=2#m103009772893914)

In the time we were there she popped 10 times. Waiting on spawns we cleared other floors. 60sk and I a 60 enchanter..was pretty easy, fast fight. She hits about 150 or so but mostly casts. Dropped 2 staffs, 4 symbols, 6 soul gems and of course, her key everytime.

Post#3 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=2#m104160017466059)

She drops Tserrina's key and the Harnessed Soul Gem everytime and one piece of other loot. The symbol appears to be the most common followed by the staff, the robe, and then the whip. The key she drops is the master key and will work on every mirror in the tower (expect for the broken ones in the mirror room).

Post#4 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=2#m104307166945347)

Fought her 4 times. Won 3 lost 1...She dropped keys and the mage item every time. Whip first, Symbol second and robe on the last kill.

Post#5 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4116#m98883053370248)

Think we killed her three or four times the night I was there and Got one staff and One Robe.

Post#6 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4116#m101190629524216)

killed him about 10 times, dropped 3 staffs, 4 robes ( :-) and the rest symbols... robes are WICKED

Post#7 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4116#m102454480372095)

Finally got this robe tonight. We killed her two times, first time she dropped the soul gem and the Symbol, second time she dropped the soul gem and the robe. I'm a happy Necro.

Post#8 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4116#m101162723418112)

Says this is a common drop? My guild mates have camped her the last two days, killed her about 12 times - so far with what I have seen: 9 symbols, 1 whip, 2 staffs, and 0 robes. Maybe its just bad luck, since the robes are what we are after.

In summary, data might support this being an uncommon drop, but not rare or very rare by any stretch of the imagination.

It seems that during the May 30, 2001 patch on Live they added a last name. This patch was implemented back on January 31, 2016 on p99 and I would guess the robe drop rate was changed either intentionally or unintentionally at that time.

Thanks for looking into this Telin,

Zentile

[Zentile]

We're now up to 0 robes for 27 named kills. This is starting to feel a bit broken.

Updated thought 33 named kills:
17x Symbol
14x Staff
2x Whip
0x Robe

Again, I don't believe it's supposed to be "very rare" in her table. This isn't Xalgoz' Staff.

Zentile

[FireWizzyX]

Since December I have cleared 7th floor ToFS probably 15 times ending just before the last server restart.

In that time, i would say she spawned just about every full bat pop and dropped the robe about 25% of the time.

Based on Zentiles numbers, there is clearly something wrong with the spawn and drop rate

[Zentile]

Updated thought 33 named kills:
17x Symbol
14x Staff
2x Whip
0x Robe

Updated through 38 named kills:
20x Symbol
14x Staff
4x Whip
0x Robe

Zentile

[Telin]

There's about a 1/20 chance of the robe. You may just be having bad luck?

[Zentile]

Where did 1 in 20 come from and when did it change? I've not seen any number close to that substantiated in the past on Magelo or Allakazams.

And, as a point of comparison, what is the Staff of the Dreaded Gaze drop rate?

Thanks again,

Zentile

[Predator3088]

well i am on 50 kills no robe :( bad week.... but thxs for looking into it

[Zentile]

Updated through 42 named kills:
24x Symbol
14x Staff
4x Whip
0x Robe

There isn't one post from Live anywhere with a similar experience. Worst you find is a 0 for 12.

Zentile

[Cecily]

Seems like the 1 hour bat respawn is from a 2005 patch.



http://i.imgur.com/H1KKNsU.png

From Tserrina's Robe page (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4116).

[Zentile]

I saw the same post, but was a bit concerned that he said there were 3 bats when infact there are 4.

However, there is another that mentions the bats as 44 min respawns before the May 30, 2001 patch and 60 min after. That does give some credibility to the 60 minute timer.

Also I got another symbol, so she now 0 for 43 on the robe. This feels very non-classic.

Zentile

[Man0warr]

2 people in our guild have robe for sure, not sure how long it took them to get it.

Also, Nilbog like's using Magelo drop data, and the Robe on Magelo is ~1% chance.

http://eq.magelo.com/item/29127

[Zentile]

2 people in our guild have robe for sure, not sure how long it took them to get it.

Also, Nilbog like's using Magelo drop data, and the Robe on Magelo is ~1% chance.

http://eq.magelo.com/item/29127

I addressed the incorrect Magelo data above in post#7 (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2247311&postcount=7) above and as copied below. The sample size of 1 drop is far too small to draw any conclusions from too.

According to Magelo (http://eq.magelo.com/npc/420034), the symbol (6), whip (4), staff (4), and robe (1) dropped a total of 15 out of 63 times. We know that's simply wrong since she always drops one of those four so I don't know if Magelo is the definitive source here.

[Zentile]

Objective Data After 50 Tserrina kills Over 95 Hours...

New Rates (from 95 hours this week)
1) Bats Respawn: every 60 minutes
2) Tserrina Appearance Rate: 50 appearances in 380 bats or 1 in 7.6
3) Robe Drop: 0 in 50 kills

1) Bats Respawn: every 60 minutes
As commented above, the bat respawn rate on Live changed from ~45 minutes to 60 minutes but the timeline is a bit hazy. Some point to a 2005 patch and others to a 2001 patch. If the latter is true, then the change was accurately reflected on p99.

2) Tserrina Appearance Rate: 50 appearances in 380 bats or 1 in 7.6
Her long-term average appearance rate is 1 every 7.6 bats, meaning that if you stay for four bats, then you have a 43.1% chance of seeing her spawn. But if you stay for 8 bats, that rises to 67.7% of the time. Pushed out a bit farther, if you stay for 16 bats or four cycles, on p99 there is a 1 in 10 chance that you won't see her pop. This has happened to me twice already and doesn't seem classic. I don't see any evidence that people were camping her for four straight cycles and coming up empty.

3) Robe Drop: 0 in 50 kills
Symbol 26x (52.0%)
Staff 20x (40.0%)
Whip 4x (8.0%)
Robe 0x (0.0%)
Total Drops 50x

If the Robe is a "very rare" drop (coded at 1 in 20) as Telin describes, then our lack of drops could be blamed on bad luck. The probability of getting a 1 in 20 drop if you stay for 50 named kills is 92.3% - so 7.7% of the time you don't see it. I can only comment on my personal experiences, but I know two others who I'm camping with that have been here 3+ days longer than I have. So my 0 for 50 is more realistically a 0 in 75 and the 7.7% is more like 2.1%.

Another possible explanation is the drop rate is currently broken, which may have happened in the January 31, 2016 patch that gave her a last name. But there is player evidence above stating the robe has dropped since January 31, so it may be a more recent change that bugged her table.

Lastly, and this has been my point for a few days now, is the 1 in 20 coding of the Robe is not classic. There is no evidence on Allakazams that it was ever this rare, being an uncommon drop at worst with a long-term average rate of ~1 in 6 or 1 in 8. The only data on Magelo is pretty lousy with only 1 data point, but even that is 1 in 15.

My Request
1. Can a Dev (Telin?) please look into the Robe drop rate to ensure it's not currently broken.
2. Can a Dev or GM please comment on where the 1 in 20 came from, and when it was changed as this has not been the players experience on p99 to date and was not a classic experience either.

Killing her 75 times and not getting the robe once this week, while other players on p99 have seen two robes drop in an evening session feels like more than just bad luck. If the robe is supposed to be 1 in 8 drop, then the chances of getting it once in 75 kills is 99.996%.

Thanks,
Zentile

[Krinkill]

All I can say for sure is my experience on live during Velious was a much much higher Drop rate on robe for Tserrina than what im reading, I remember a pretty much even chance of of all items on her loot table dropping.

[Zentile]

This is the most detailed post (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5604&p=2#m101631189326614) I can find on her drops over time, as referenced earlier in the thread.

We killed her 6 times tonight, the group we had was: 60 necro, 57 necro, 55 druid (me)...later our 57 necro left and was replaced by a 59 warrior.
She's indeed very MR, we couldn't land root, snare, necro mez nor anything else magic-based. However, fire and cold based nukes landed for full damage 70% of time and the necros had no problem dotting her, but when I tried to cast on her my magic-based dot (*very* rarely resisted), it didn't land :(
The Charm, Fear and Darkness spells she casted were easily resisted with 120 MR. She was quite easy to kill with this group, I was chainhealing either the pet or the warrior and the necro/s lifetapping and dotting.... the problems started when the pet got charmed, we had no one to tank her and for some reason we couldn't dispell it, but finally she died.
oh well... what she dropped:

1. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Robe
2. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Symbol
3. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Staff, Tserrina's Whip
4. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Whip
5. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Staff
6. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Robe

the robe doesn't look that rare, we wanted two Symbols and it just dropped once..though people said it was the most common item (besides of the mage-only item, which dropped every time)

Edit: Killed her a few more times yesterday with the same group than the first time, drops as follow:

1. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Robe
2. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Whip
3. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem
4. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Staff
5. Key, Harnessed Soul Gem, Tserrina's Symbol

Good luck :)

Using the 1 in 20 drop rate for the Robe as programed in p99, getting 3 Robes in 7 kills would happen 0.013% of the time. Or, a tiny bit better than 1 in 10,000 times.

Either this was the luckiest group in EQ history or the p99 rate is wrong.

Zentile

[Zentile]

0 Robes in 58 kills now. Did this get patched by chance? I'm starting to give up hope.

Zentile

[nilbog]

Nothing has changed about Tserrina's drop rates since Velious was introduced.

[Zentile]

Nothing has changed about Tserrina's drop rates since Velious was introduced.

Thanks for the reply Nilbog, I appreciate you taking the time knowing that you have a few other things on your plate post-patch.

I believe that I've presented enough of an objective argument that the p99 Robe drop rate of 1 in 20 is not classic, so I have one last request. Can one of the Devs research her classic rates and either confirm that 1 in 20 is satisfactory, or change it to something more in-line with the Live experience?

Thanks again,

Zentile