Server wipe

[Wizing]

Looking for input from sirken or rogean here . If 90-95% of the server wants a wipe would it ever be considered or is that something that will never happen ? . Please don't troll my thread . I'm currently not asking for a wipe I'm just asking if it's even possible for the near future

[Nirgon]

If they wanna do item loot sure otherwise what's the point

[heartbrand]

Rogean checked out a long time wgo

[Jazzy]

do you really want to play everquest for another five years?

[Doctor Jeff]

do you really want to play everquest for another five years?

Yes. I want 10 more years of Kunark. This velious shit is dumb.

Voted no on wipe unless full item loot on new server.

[Nirgon]

So don't go to Velious zones

[Doctor Jeff]

So don't go to Velious zones

I can't anyways. I never bought that xpac

[Wizing]

Would be nice to have item loot and some sort of real timeline now that red has worked out all the kinks

[TacoSmasher]

imo they should just shut it down completely, fuck a wipe

[Swish]

Wipe it and put discord on its replacement....then whenever the finish is, start again and try item loot.

Think how many people would come back.

[shokar]

Item loot isn't fun. weirdos.

[Nirgon]

o no i'm getting ToV loots and lost a blue diamond bracer to someone who doesn't raid and wants to make gains thru pvp

what ever will I do

[iruinedyourday]

99% of server cant even raid basic velious mobs and OP thinks we need a wipe gimi a break.

[SamwiseRed]

item loot is good, full item loot is better. spacesheets and spreadships online bby

[Qtip]

Wipe it. Teams server. Coin only. +/-10 lvl pvp. Get it done. I will donate $2k to the server if this happens in the 4 months.

[Nirgon]

there's teams on this server, its called guilds

plays out the same

one side is over populated, the rest quit or go grief mode

see: team evil if a teams server ever happens

[pgerman]

but but but i looted a fungi tunic on rallos zek one time , therefore item loot is awesome



It isnt a bunch of no drop / naked people running around with basic MR gear. I promise



Also if you think people avoid pvp because of leaderboards, add item loot. You got no idea


Wipe isnt a terrible idea at this point, server can't get any worst. Id gladly give up my pixels.

[Colgate]

what pixels? you were in the losing guilds for 5 years straight

[Wizing]

I have 8 level 59+ toons and I'm willing to throw that all out the window for a reset .

[Sear]

there's teams on this server, its called guilds

plays out the same

one side is over populated, the rest quit or go grief mode


RZ was pretty different than the other three [teams] Zek servers.

I get your point that people flock to the frontrunner, but they're not the same.


I'd play if there was a reset to vanilla/classic. I'd wager that 99% of the current players would do the same (even the ones who make an initial stink about losing their progress).

[Raev]

side is over populated, the rest quit or go grief mode

I think this is the destiny of every PVP server (it's certainly been Red99's fate for virtually its entire existence), and if I were administering a PVP server, I'd try to code up some sort of feedback mechanism. It would definitely be a little tricky to measure, because the players would of course do their best to try to game the system, but if I started by measuring some basic features (average # of players online, kills per guild, players per encounter list kill, etc) and did some hidden resist/ATK penalties and bonuses for the zerg guilds and the resistance, it might work out <shrug>

[Gardur]

Played teams in live and had a goog time but it will suck now that everyone knows everything about the game.

Single item loot +-4 would be real cool but I'd be just as happy with a r99 wipe/new server.

Would beard that server so hard.

[fiegi 8.0]

Rogean checked out a long time wgo

[Jazzy]

would grow a dirty beard, not shower, lose my job and happily turn into a fat fucking bastard for a new red 99 classic

[Nirgon]

No, an FFA PvP server is completely capable of having a strong war that goes on for months with good pvp over targets. It happened on RZ and could have gone on for longer.

Some people in that war decided that pissing off the entire rest of the server and using hax was a good idea and... welp.. lost. Hmm. Mmmm. Yiss 8]~

The thing about EQ is there's no MMR separating the dominant players from the shitty ones and losers need to take it in stride and aim to improve. Empire was not unbeatable, just very strong with a top pvp core and welcomed/vetted/helped gear new players... others refused to do so and the results are clear as day.

Source: someone who was at ground zero

[iruinedyourday]

I think this is the destiny of every PVP server (it's certainly been Red99's fate for virtually its entire existence), and if I were administering a PVP server, I'd try to code up some sort of feedback mechanism. It would definitely be a little tricky to measure, because the players would of course do their best to try to game the system, but if I started by measuring some basic features (average # of players online, kills per guild, players per encounter list kill, etc) and did some hidden resist/ATK penalties and bonuses for the zerg guilds and the resistance, it might work out <shrug>

http://i.imgur.com/HOPkp.jpg

[Doctor Jeff]

o no i'm getting ToV loots and lost a blue diamond bracer to someone who doesn't raid and wants to make gains thru pvp

what ever will I do

full item loot means i get everything in your inventory that I can carry

[iruinedyourday]

Item loot would be fun for a select few I'd imagine. I'd love it cus Id root/rain full groups like they were working on CRs too afraid to wear any gear with strangers.

[Sear]

No, an FFA PvP server is completely capable of having a strong war that goes on for months with good pvp over targets. It happened on RZ and could have gone on for longer.


A teams ruleset forces a minimum # of competing sides.

One will be dominant, but you always have X number of teams.

Would you rather have that zerg-limiting constraint in at character creation (based on race), or as a hopeful pipe dream for players to create competing guilds?

Teams also throws casual players a bone and gives them clearly-defined zones to fight for and players to ally with or attack. As opposed to "just group with everyone till 60 and then join the zerg guild".

[Nirgon]

Don't entirely disagree with preventing people at max level from all jumping on one band wagon... but evil team will absolutely dominate. Take a look at the raid forces around you. How many are dark religion/race? Do you really want to be on a Velious box team without SKs? How about necros for corpse summon? Are we going to ask the devs to implement the token system when a player is killed that can be turned in for corpse summon pots? Then how do you prevent people from abusing farming alts to get corpse summon pots (free plane of sky/wipe corpse summons!) on the neutral team (do not remember this exact mechanic from SZ admittedly)? Do you want to be on the team without iksar monks and ogre warriors? I mean... come on. And bards can take Rallos Zek religion and be evil ... so... yeah. I mean I wish it'd work out but evil team is going to take all the raid content and see the same issues here.

One side just turns into the shitty doomed guild you can't leave. Cross realming becomes rampant and if you think it won't .. heh.

but as far as helping casual players... you think the uber neckbeards with multiple accounts to cross realm pk is gonna be a good thing for them either? There's ways around the "team protection" and you can't prevent an evil bard from power leveling up a group of neutral/good chars and shitting on the evil casuals. Cuz they definitely will do it (see all the Azrael Unrest/MM ragebringer twinks).

At any rate, its a small pvp community here now and dividing it 3 ways into teams is bad from both a pve recruitment and # of pvp targets stand point.

I really wish it would work but it can't.

[Jimjam]

So race and religion teams didn't work.

That leaves two more options.

Class... or gender!

[Swish]

hello sailors...come and play boys vs girls here on teams 99...

what about gender confused people? some custom quest for them to switch?

[Jimjam]

Who wouldn't want to play a Gender Wars server? ;)

[Nirgon]

it'd work out the same as any fixed teams server

a lot of EQ relies on the player base

and look at the charming group of gentlesirs we have on here



If anything... welp better not say it but every guild I can think of that has dominated has employed scum tactics of various means here. But knocking them down for that just puts another scum group on top. Like I said, a fine group of gentlesirs.

[Imago]

would grow a dirty beard, not shower, lose my job and happily turn into a fat fucking bastard for a new red 99 classic

[Colgate]

teams doesn't work when accounts are free and take less than 5 minutes to set up

[iruinedyourday]

my advice is probably best thing to is just find a way to enjoy the game you think about every day and post about every night idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[iruinedyourday]

teams doesn't work when accounts are free and take less than 5 minutes to set up

as long as the first run of Recycle99 is teams, i dont care if it works or not. Ill be there for the full run :D

[snergle]

No, an FFA PvP server is completely capable of having a strong war that goes on for months with good pvp over targets. It happened on RZ and could have gone on for longer.

Some people in that war decided that pissing off the entire rest of the server and using hax was a good idea and... welp.. lost. Hmm. Mmmm. Yiss 8]~

The thing about EQ is there's no MMR separating the dominant players from the shitty ones and losers need to take it in stride and aim to improve. Empire was not unbeatable, just very strong with a top pvp core and welcomed/vetted/helped gear new players... others refused to do so and the results are clear as day.

Source: someone who was at ground zero

pof vs ad or mim vs sadko? i dont remember ad or pof using hacks. sadko definatly did but i wouldn't call that a fun or even fight let along strong and over content and I was on mims side.

[Nirgon]

PoF duped shit, took officer bans. Source: was member that became aware after the fact.

Others in the alliance mad hax, were banned. Used elitist attitude to piss off rest of ~700-800(?) of box... you know da rest. Source: seen first hand in cobalt scar.

There was also GM favoritism big time against us.

Thing is you can get away with that here. You can get a 70man guild for the top content and just be a total group of scummers with no recourse. But I see lots in common... ie Freeport Vision usage and RMT bans wiping out stables of chars and being on da losing side. U no? Just stating known facts, no hate for any of the elven pals here.

[Fame]

Two things that will never be wiped: red99 and neckbeard asses

Godbless

[snergle]

ahh i was neutralish for most of ad vs pof i do remember you being in wutan but couldn't remember if you were on pof or ad's side. I always thought pof quit because of luclin. most of their wizards became rmt and i wanna say half or more of the fungis passed through their hands in the month or so they were doing it.

I remember a lot of ad monks botting fg though. I used to use them as free dps for my own aa;s

[Nirgon]

teams doesn't work when accounts are free and take less than 5 minutes to set up

great summation, missed it

[Salaryman]

Im not doing all this shit again fuck that.

[AzzarTheGod]

imo they should just shut it down completely, fuck a wipe

lol my ***** cutter

[AzzarTheGod]

PoF duped shit, took officer bans. Source: was member that became aware after the fact.
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PoF duped shit, took bans. Source: pked the fuck out of the same guys and took their Tranix and CoF 3 separate times within the same week and at that point there wasn't enough loots on the server.

This one halfling druid Kingan w/ manastone <PoF> or <East Power> I can't recall atm, he was an alt too. Freefarm status on his alt, I'd come by butcherblock dwarves, collect my oldworld BIS item off him, and carry on about my day. Rinse repeat. He had the same slot replaced on a day-to-day schedule. I had several frog crowns off him.

Guild agreed nobody replaces gear that fast. NOBODY. mmm goog rewards though yum.

[Nirgon]

When Didadi knew the noose was gettin' snug around his neck, he handed out a couple bags full of jade maces in Nektulos forest.

At the time I ported him it seemed like a routine bank run. When I saw the terror at the newbie log, I knew he was involved.

Their best policy was you could become unkos to the guild (and be allowed to "Ruins in Sebilis" again) if you took a necro sac, sometimes more than 1 if you were especially dishonorrrabre. Kind of their way about being men about it if you paid for your sins, I liked it.

Sad thing every time I saw the newbie log here since day 1 being empty or when I loot a player but can't take an item. Lots of other thangs 2 be thankful 4 tho.

[snergle]

one of the ad necs showed me the tofs pathing bug so i could get 60 on my nec.

[Sear]

Don't entirely disagree with preventing people at max level from all jumping on one band wagon... but evil team will absolutely dominate. Take a look at the raid forces around you. How many are dark religion/race? Do you really want to be on a Velious box team without SKs? How about necros for corpse summon? Are we going to ask the devs to implement the token system when a player is killed that can be turned in for corpse summon pots? Then how do you prevent people from abusing farming alts to get corpse summon pots (free plane of sky/wipe corpse summons!) on the neutral team (do not remember this exact mechanic from SZ admittedly)? Do you want to be on the team without iksar monks and ogre warriors? I mean... come on. And bards can take Rallos Zek religion and be evil ... so... yeah. I mean I wish it'd work out but evil team is going to take all the raid content and see the same issues here.

One side just turns into the shitty doomed guild you can't leave. Cross realming becomes rampant and if you think it won't .. heh.

but as far as helping casual players... you think the uber neckbeards with multiple accounts to cross realm pk is gonna be a good thing for them either? There's ways around the "team protection" and you can't prevent an evil bard from power leveling up a group of neutral/good chars and shitting on the evil casuals. Cuz they definitely will do it (see all the Azrael Unrest/MM ragebringer twinks).

At any rate, its a small pvp community here now and dividing it 3 ways into teams is bad from both a pve recruitment and # of pvp targets stand point.

I really wish it would work but it can't.

If the "# of pvp targets" argument held any weight, there'd be constant pvp on this box. Has that ever been the case? Even right after launch, very few players were fighting despite having SO MANY TARGETS. Because there's more to it than that.

Pretend you're designing a game - literally any type of pvp game - and you want to go with FFA because [there will be more competition].

How does that work with EQ, exactly? This isn't FPS deathmatch, where everyone can fly solo on an even playing field. If you want a FFA ruleset but you also want players to somehow form equally-sized groups, then what's the fucking point in doing FFA to begin with? There's good reason that most popular pvp games (DotA, Overwatch, etc) define the competing sides.

You could prevent the scenario you described by hard-coding to disallow grouping or friendly buffs/heals from opposing team players. I think that implementation already exists here.

[AzzarTheGod]

Their best policy was you could become unkos to the guild (and be allowed to "Ruins in Sebilis" again) if you took a necro sac, sometimes more than 1 if you were especially dishonorrrabre. Kind of their way about being men about it if you paid for your sins, liked it.


that's that Eastern flavor right there, luv it.

part of the reason r99 burned out for me was the personalities, both opposition and pals. Not enough intrigue.

A 3rd faction on r99 not consisting of your Azrael leet coke basement dudeguy variety would have been nice. The heartjew tried his best.

[BardPop]

Let me "shed some light" on when the box population is going to be back up to the usual numbers..about a month.

Why? Finals.

[TacoSmasher]

implying the majority of players on this server have the financing and motivation to complete a post secondary education. yeah ok. lel

jesus leluyn you really are a retard arent ya. lol

[TacoSmasher]

you better "shed some light" with your brilliant ideas elsewhere, or ill cut off your dick

(in eq)

[Chronoburn]

Majority of players that actually would complete postsecondary education already have.

[Ardok]

Wipe it. Teams server. Coin only. +/-10 lvl pvp. Get it done. I will donate $2k to the server if this happens in the 4 months.

that level range is to much make it 4-6 area and im in.

[iruinedyourday]

how can a server pop of 30 have forums where you check back 20 minuets later in every thread and your last post is 4 pages ago.

[Nirgon]

I'm not all about making an FPS death match, just cutting an already low number of targets at best into thirds is bad for what pvp does exist

What if every dark race/religion online at prime time right now was forced to be on the same team?

[Outer]

please wipe

[Jimjam]

how can a server pop of 30 have forums where you check back 20 minuets later in every thread and your last post is 4 pages ago.

People want to believe in PVP.

[Qtip]

that level range is to much make it 4-6 area and im in.

Tz was 8 and it was fine. I say 10 because people know the game now.

Just hardcode teams and give the option of playing good team or bad. Create character and hand a tome to priest of discord for evil team or hand tome to your guild master for good team.

[Dephyant]

If they wanna do item loot sure otherwise what's the point

Teams would attract more players. Item loot was always a joke on RZ and more of a bag stuffing facebook game.

[Swish]

Teams would attract more players. Item loot was always a joke on RZ and more of a bag stuffing facebook game.

Surely it can be coded so when looting a corpse you don't see the bags, just the contents "loose"... not classic but more fun.

[Dephyant]

Surely it can be coded so when looting a corpse you don't see the bags, just the contents "loose"... not classic but more fun.

If red went teams there are many blue players that would come over. If it went item loot it would just stay the same dead server. I'll take teams pvp for more contested content and guild pvp over item loot bagstuffer any day.

Would you really want the cliques on this server hunting you down day in and day out rolling on your gear? The server would be dead in a month.

[Nirgon]

it made no drop items that are pointless here valuable

it added risk and reward

it punished RMT

list goes on

teams will attract lots of people, sure! to the evil team...

[iruinedyourday]

Tz was 8 and it was fine. I say 10 because people know the game now.

Just hardcode teams and give the option of playing good team or bad. Create character and hand a tome to priest of discord for evil team or hand tome to your guild master for good team.

This guy knows how to have fun so he's prob right.

Nirg right too.. Tho I'm still not convinced that item loot wouldn't make me wrap a rope around my neck at some point.

[Nirgon]

if they somehow forced remotely balanced factions and cracked down hard on cross teaming... it'd be goog

[Wizing]

Can't cross team if it's hard coded . Spells don't work on the opposing team ect..

[Viscian]

Item loot would not help. Soon as someone started to loose you'd see them placing all no-drops into their bags. Then everyone would start wanting bag loot. /boggle

[Wizing]

Maybe item loot is a bit harsh for the new ayers but a random item from a players bags would work out imo

[R Flair]

Item loot means everyone plays in full nodrop unless theres no enemy presence in zone.

[heartbrand]

Rogean needs to do everything here that requires anything happening. Rogean checked out and also hates red99. None of this is ever happening. The end.

[Nirgon]

ya no cross teaming possible like spying on same faction alts or using a lvl 60 of team team to clear mobs so attackers can get to a group in a dungeon etc

disagree



and when 2 teams from the same faction want a mob, what happens? we put blue rules into effect? HEH how in the fuck is that gonna all work out? oh it wont

what actually will happen is people will get on their alts on the other faction, wipe out the crew or make an agreement with another guild of the opposing faction not to attack them while they wipe out the opposition

aka cross teaming

[Sear]

Shouldn't need item loot if factions are actually fighting for zone control. That's enough risk/reward.

I like item loot personally, but it is harsh on casuals. Especially melees. The NO DROP tagging in classic was too random and sparse.

[Nirgon]

yeah poor melees right 8)

we should get rid of that nasty weight allowance penalty for those poor monks too

[Sear]

just Monks rly 8)

[Colgate]

teams was a cool idea in 1999 when people don't know the ins and outs of the game and crossteaming meant you paid for another copy of the game as well as an additional monthly subscription

it's an absolutely fucktarded idea in 2016 emulator everquest

[AenorVZ]

Surely it can be coded so when looting a corpse you don't see the bags, just the contents "loose"... not classic but more fun.

Yes. Devs have confirmed this is doable.

Also, wipe it clean 2016. Also 5 level spread please. Anything but this bluebie 4 lvl shit.

[heartbrand]

There's a greater chance of eq next happening than there is another pvp server here

[cronik]

EQ pvp fucking sucks when 90% of the player base knows more exploits and loopholes than the top 10% of players knew back when EQ was fun to play.

You can theorycraft all day on how to emulate the '99-'01 EQ experience, but it isn't possible without sheep (and a time machine)

[AzzarTheGod]

EQ pvp fucking sucks when 90% of the player base knows more exploits and loopholes than the top 10% of players knew back when EQ was fun to play.

You can theorycraft all day on how to emulate the '99-'01 EQ experience, but it isn't possible without sheep (and a time machine)

Rallos Zek rules attract plenty of "sheep". Fact is ded99 was uncontested because it's community failed it.

You lost at making a successful red99 experience. If I was staff next server would cater to blue/normal people, with a brand new PnP and anti-grief policies like RZ had on live.

Why? Because your community failed to thrive. You're done. You lose.

[Sear]

There's a greater chance of eq next happening than there is another pvp server here

so ur telling me there's a chance?

http://i.imgur.com/WuMUNQY.jpg?1

[EatitNerd]

Even with a wipe, still noone would play with you sickpuppy

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/WuMUNQY.jpg?1

This is what I'd imagine current ded99 players look like.

[Tune]

conv is dumb

voted no, will never happen

and if it did, it would still be the same 50 people playing at the end of the day

[Smedy]

If they wanna do item loot sure otherwise what's the point

Agree with old man nirg here, a wipe would be cool but if they do they better infuse some rules like item loot, you cant add those later on.

Item loot + red99 ruleset + some kind of team balance system, everquest is just not fun when one group of nerds figure lets just outnumber everyone.

[cronik]

Rallos Zek rules attract plenty of "sheep". Fact is ded99 was uncontested because it's community failed it.

You lost at making a successful red99 experience. If I was staff next server would cater to blue/normal people, with a brand new PnP and anti-grief policies like RZ had on live.

Why? Because your community failed to thrive. You're done. You lose.

That's the best chance, yes. Allowing training, exploiting, etc chases away most.

Problem is that there's not many sheep interested in EQ emu early era. '99 was great because there weren't many options and all you needed to set up was a credit card.

[Dronuspk]

Yeah they should. Coming from someone who has gear. It's boring as hell with how topheavy it is on there. Give new players a chance. Voted yes.

[Glissando]

To prevent Zerg guilds, you must have meaningful rewards for PvP that rival or are better than pve drops. That way people will always want to be on the team with the most pvp targets like on zek.

[Slathar]

conv is dumb

voted no, will never happen

and if it did, it would still be the same 50 people playing at the end of the day

im going to get you banded

[Redi]

conv is dumb

voted no, will never happen

and if it did, it would still be the same 50 people playing at the end of the day

Tempest cruiton by chance?

[cronik]

To prevent Zerg guilds, you must have meaningful rewards for PvP that rival or are better than pve drops. That way people will always want to be on the team with the most pvp targets like on zek.

Same issues for me as what Colgate touched on.

Pvp rewards don't really work in current day emus IMO. Ideally GM time should be spent on punishing exploiters and rulebreakers, and not wasting time policing a custom-made pvp system and trying to figure out who's gaming the system (i.e. Everyone)

When it takes 5mins to start a new char on a brand new account that's free, the level of asshattery will always be high. The more rules and custom stuff, the more wiggle room for exploiters.

[Telron]

I would come back for a full server wipe and classic only 4 ever. So plz dont do that. I would definitely not like to play EQ for another 5 years thanks.

[Tune]

I will be here until every1 has 16 characters best in slot then we are going for doubles

[Spit]

I will be here until every1 has 16 characters best in slot then we are going for doubles

Pras

[AzzarTheGod]

I will be here until every1 has 16 characters best in slot then we are going for doubles

cringe

[silo32]

I will be here until every1 has 16 characters best in slot then we are going for doubles

box hero

always has been always will be

pras this mans life for 1,000 more years

[silo32]

cringe

non factor warm body nobody that has less than a year play time on red

these noobs smh

[silo32]

triple post

there will be no wipe

/thread

[AzzarTheGod]

non factor warm body nobody that has less than a year play time on red

these noobs smh

stern cringe

[iruinedyourday]

ill be here with 16 bis chars too. I Hope all of u will.

we'll be old and grandparrents by then and slaying dragons/talking mad shit instead of watching matlock

sounds great.