Thought on removing OOC and Yellow Text (red)

[Aesop]

I guess the not classic argument doesn't really apply since we have accelerated exp -- you know at this point I would trade not having ooc and yellow text for a reduced exp rate.

Maybe the population would suffer but I doubt it, in order to make up for not having ooc people would have to add people to friends lists etc. How do people on blue do it? I hate finding groups in ooc anyhow, it's a red flag for some bored idiot to login his fungi twink to weed out the noobs.

Honestly what we gain from having ooc isn't worth giving the fucking retards a megaphone to constantly spew their shit all over the entire server. My ignore list is so long and it's the only way to make ooc bearable. Any GMs/guides who have spent any significant amount of time on red when people are playing probably know what I'm talking about.

Yellow text encourages plugging because elf-pride is paramount, if we can't find some way to code it so people can't zone plug then at least remove yellow text so that people won't be so shy to die all the time. I don't give a shit if everyone knows I killed someone, on live I used to merc people purely for my own enjoyment, if I needed to shame them I could forumquest with screenshots. Not having the leaderboards alone has improved pvp because now people don't care as much about dying because there isn't some shitty record that shows a one sided picture about how good you are at pvp. PVP has improved since the leaderboard went away, I think it would improve more if we removed yellow text.

Both of these un-classic elements have contributed greatly to the general toxicity of red in my opinion and while there are arguments for keeping both -- none of them really hold any water.

Besides, if you guys really do hate red it should be satisfying to remove both of these elements and to enjoy the salty tears of the garbage pail kids that occupy red.

I advocate for these things in the interest of the health and long term population of red.

[immaterial]

as a stop-gap solution: create a new chat window, and send OOC there. then, make it really small or off to the side or something.

i have all OOCs and /auctions split off into their own window so they don't flood group chat or my combat window.

[Ele]

wtb locked single chat window

[Swish]

TL;DR of the OP: "Can we make it more blue please?"

[Aesop]

yes, because yellow text and ooc are what pvp is all about. :rolleyes:

i thought it was about having the ability to kill someone if you wanted, or to settle things without lawyerquest. if you want elfstrike go roll on the image/devnoob server. i played pvp on live, it was nothing like this. i was a pker too for years before i joined a pve focused guild, and i still pvped while i was in it. never had yellow text, or serverwide ooc.

short answer, ur dumb shut up

[Aesop]

actually i do want it to be more like blue, but more like blue in terms of being more classic. i do think yellow text encourages pvp, like more people seeking it -- but it on the same hand discourages pvp in the sense that people are less likely to want to be on the losing end of pvp (someone has to be) because of yellow text. so we end up losing more than we gain in the end with people plugging, and gating/running when the odds are not heavily in their favor.

[Aesop]

also i don't find the groupfinding aspect of ooc to be very compelling. join a leveling guild. hell the leader of thunderdome actively looks for level 1-5 and will come to you and invite you to <Thunderdome> which is a great place to be 1-50+, you still have trouble finding groups but only because of the population and other aspects of red rather than it being a problem with the guild environment.

plus it's a social game, make some friends.

as for selling, i see some of the value for sure but this isn't ECquest. (although it is part of it)

[Efwan]

Dude, who cares? They're both necessary and there's a reason the server implemented both of them. If you give a shit about yellow text on a dead server you're an idiot

[Bozena]

OP: Global OOC and yellow text make red more toxic than it needs to be. Gives reasons.
People replying to this thread: shut up idiot.

Way to go, guys.

[Efwan]

Because if you play red you know OP is being an idiot and these things are necessary for the server thus will not change. It shows to his retardation that he posted this in Blue server chat rather than Red

[Pokesan]

it's important to argue in favor of yellow text while holding the opinion that yellow text doesn't matter

shutup efwan

[Bozena]

I'm just laughing at the replies being consistent with what the OP is unhappy about: red being full of grown men acting like 14-year-olds playing Call of Duty.

Since this is in the blue server forum, maybe the red players could "roleplay" here and reply to the OP's post with well-reasoned rebuttals.

[Bozena]

I'm mostly just curious to hear why people disagree, since the OP's post makes sense and seems reasonable to me. No, I don't play on red, but how hard to explain could it be? It's an elf sim.

[Pokesan]

to be fair OP has been laughed off the red forums for being retarded

[Efwan]

it's important to argue in favor of yellow text while holding the opinion that yellow text doesn't matter

shutup efwan

Shrug, I meant yellow text mattering in the "ego" or "pride" department that OP mentioned before. Yellow text is necessary because it shows where PvP is happening, and that it IS actually happening. For instance if I am grinding on my druid, or looking for people to PvP with/against and I see a friend/enemy get killed in <South Karana> I can load up a port to NK and try to get into the action. Red server is already kind of a ghost town, removing yellow text would make it even more of a ghost town.

In classic there was no yellow text, and it was fine, why? Because population was more than it is today and there were like 20 zones in all of norrath, now we have kunark and velious. There's a reason they added it for Kunark, no yellow text worked on live PvP servers because they had the population blue does right now, there were people everywhere, it was chaos, it was great.

[iruinedyourday]

It shows to his retardation that he posted this in Blue server chat rather than Red

[iruinedyourday]

YT is great, and Jeromy makes my heart sad not keeping the LB's going.

Keeping track of your kdr is fun as hell

Its also great to throw it in ppls faces, good or bad, feels goog.

red is fuckn great btw GREAT

Its great cus when im running around doing an epic quest, every single zone I zone into, there may be a named spawn up.. and that named spawn drops YT's EVERYTIME

imagine a rare spawn end game boss spawning in FELWITH shit happened to me this morning WAS GLORIOUS

Imagine a naked cazic thule on his way back to his corpse in the feerrott ROOTTED AND YT'D!!! FELT GOOOOOOG

man its the best, quit being wallflowers at this dance and join red guys.

[Aesop]

Shrug, I meant yellow text mattering in the "ego" or "pride" department that OP mentioned before. Yellow text is necessary because it shows where PvP is happening, and that it IS actually happening. For instance if I am grinding on my druid, or looking for people to PvP with/against and I see a friend/enemy get killed in <South Karana> I can load up a port to NK and try to get into the action. Red server is already kind of a ghost town, removing yellow text would make it even more of a ghost town.

In classic there was no yellow text, and it was fine, why? Because population was more than it is today and there were like 20 zones in all of norrath, now we have kunark and velious. There's a reason they added it for Kunark, no yellow text worked on live PvP servers because they had the population blue does right now, there were people everywhere, it was chaos, it was great.

no, everyone pretty much knows where there is gonna be pvp already. in the zones where the loot is, you don't need yellow text to tell you that. pvp happens in oot, lodi windows, pvp happens at druid rings, pvp happens at loot camps and leveling zones.

your argument works agains you because you can't have a covert ganking squad at druid portals either because yellow text lets people know not to port there, lets people know when it's a good time to go to mistmoore to level (lots of yellow text in mistmoore? don't go to mistmoore) you are fooling yourself if you think everyone on this server is constantly searching for pvp. yes lots of people enjoy it, but lots also do not, plenty of people on live enjoyed playing on a pvp server without being a pker.

if you need yellow text to tell you if your "friend" died rather than your friend telling you then they probably are not your friends. it's not necessary at all, and even if i conceded the point that it shows where pvp is happening then my point still stands, and everyone knows its true that people plug incessantly to avoid being yellow texted. it's like the walk of shame.

your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise, i don't see how removing yellow text would make red a "ghost town" anymore than it already is. if you aren't excessively stupid you can find pvp, if I'm spoiling for a fight i can gate to oot, or go look for the guy camping swarm mother. or wait at the commons rings, or any number of places that you know from experience that people inhabit. yellow text hurts pvp just as much as it helps.

[Aesop]

also i posted it here on purpose, i know what i'm doing.

[Bozena]

In classic there was no yellow text, and it was fine, why? Because population was more than it is today and there were like 20 zones in all of norrath, now we have kunark and velious. There's a reason they added it for Kunark, no yellow text worked on live PvP servers because they had the population blue does right now, there were people everywhere, it was chaos, it was great.
#rollitback2016

[Aesop]

i don't actually care how my fellow denizens of red "feel" about this, unless you can make a truly compelling argument for how yellow text helps more than it hurts pvp. i'm interested in more pvp, not less. i want people to stop plugging so much and actually be willing to eat a death once in a while.

there are benefits to yellow text for sure, and i enjoy handing them out also, but i see a problem with them and a problem with the general server environment that i didn't experience on live. part of it is because we have so many people from jersey on the server, and i have a sneaking suspicion that many of you play EverQuest with ankle bracelets on but that is beside the point -- there are mechanics to the server that are contributing to the toxicity and i'm not buying the arguments for them.

[Efwan]

I'm not reading all that shit for you to repeat yourself. I've said my stance and not only do the GMs agree with me, but majority of the server does aswell. Good day

[Aesop]

http://i.imgur.com/FGkIQLJ.gif

[Pokesan]

I'm not reading all that shit for you to repeat yourself. I've said my stance and not only do the GMs agree with me, but majority of the server does aswell. Good day

consensus triumphs over facts

[Cecily]

Anything that encourages people to run from PvP instead of fighting it out, like YT, is bad.

[Dacien]

During the arduous grind through level 45, farming Mistmoore gargs, /ooc shenanigans was one of the things that kept me sane.

[iruinedyourday]

no, everyone pretty much knows where there is gonna be pvp already. in the zones where the loot is, you don't need yellow text to tell you that. pvp happens in oot, lodi windows, pvp happens at druid rings, pvp happens at loot camps and leveling zones.

your argument works agains you because you can't have a covert ganking squad at druid portals either because yellow text lets people know not to port there, lets people know when it's a good time to go to mistmoore to level (lots of yellow text in mistmoore? don't go to mistmoore) you are fooling yourself if you think everyone on this server is constantly searching for pvp. yes lots of people enjoy it, but lots also do not, plenty of people on live enjoyed playing on a pvp server without being a pker.

if you need yellow text to tell you if your "friend" died rather than your friend telling you then they probably are not your friends. it's not necessary at all, and even if i conceded the point that it shows where pvp is happening then my point still stands, and everyone knows its true that people plug incessantly to avoid being yellow texted. it's like the walk of shame.

your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise, i don't see how removing yellow text would make red a "ghost town" anymore than it already is. if you aren't excessively stupid you can find pvp, if I'm spoiling for a fight i can gate to oot, or go look for the guy camping swarm mother. or wait at the commons rings, or any number of places that you know from experience that people inhabit. yellow text hurts pvp just as much as it helps.

Drugs

[Swish]

Anti-plugging code was rumored/talked about... better than removing the yellow text.

Also whoever said this was the blue server forum? Still reads as "General Community" <3

[Troxx]

Also whoever said this was the blue server forum? Still reads as "General Community" <3


This forum is entitled "Server Chat".

Ironically, there is an entire sub-forum for Red ... "PvP Server Chat"

It's right here, in case you missed it:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

That forum was specifically created so red bullshit doesn't have to be monitored by the general community (the 90-95% of project 1999 players that play on blue).

[Troxx]

As an aside ... leaderboards, K/D ratio, and yellow text will be actively harmful to any pvp community. People get so obsessed over their pixels (be it gear or arbitrary numerical ratios that can be rubbed in their face) that having them present will end up making a pvp environment LESS fun and less immersive.

If people aren't scared of yellow text they might stop plugging.

[gprater]

I'm not reading all that shit for you to repeat yourself. I've said my stance and not only do the GMs agree with me, but majority of the server does aswell. Good day

so much rage

[Lojik]

I mean the red server is all but yellow texted already.

[Swish]

Another idiot that doesn't understand that Red having its own subforum (For like 8 people) kind of implies "general" server chat is for Blue.

http://i.imgur.com/UAA21DQ.jpg

Are we okay with players using pictures of disabled people to make a point on these forums?

I'm sorry that you're mad about the way the forums are set out but posting that picture seems to be in bad taste. Step outside for a few minutes and think about why you needed to use it.

[Vallanor]

Another idiot that doesn't understand that Red having its own subforum (For like 8 people) kind of implies "general" server chat is for Blue.

He understands. He just doesn't care.

[Varren]

Pvp is fun. Its fun to get yellow text. Its fun to know when pvp is happening on the server. It connects you to the world. Its natural to want to avoid dying in pvp. People would plug from pvp regardless. It sucks to die in eq.

Ooc is great. We need global ooc because its a small community. If you don't like it just turn off the channel or send it to a minimized window.

Red problems are red problems. Why would you post this here?

[iruinedyourday]

Are we okay with players using pictures of disabled people to make a point on these forums?

I'm sorry that you're mad about the way the forums are set out but posting that picture seems to be in bad taste. Step outside for a few minutes and think about why you needed to use it.

http://i.imgur.com/waDRVAz.jpg

[Bozena]

Are we okay with players using pictures of disabled people to make a point on these forums?
Look around, Swish. The bar is low, unfortunately.

[Xaanka]

i have an 0.07 kdr ratio on red, i'm in favor of keeping YT but making you continue to zone LD on plug. also fuck translocate too while we're at it, that skill takes all the fun out of pvp. might actually care and participate in pvp if it weren't a joke for above reasons.