Bard AoE kiting screenshot thread!

[Lazortag]

edit: I cleaned up this post including my long explanation at the bottom because I feel like better instructions have been given in this thread by other posters.
This thread is for posting screenshots of successful and unsuccessful AoE kites. AoE kiting can start at level 2 if you get a SoW from someone or if you strafe kite, so I encourage Bards of all levels to post here.

Link to Cribanox's original thread about aoe kiting: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11506 (the original post is below, but the thread has some advice from players on hotkeys, zones to kite in, and other related things)

Link to the content of his original post: http://pro1999.com/aoe-kiting.html

11 Bloodgills and 1 Deepwater Barracuda (on the Kunark Test server in Lake of Ill Omen):

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2382/bloodgillslaughter.png

8 Spectres in Oasis

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3581/speckill.png

New: Some bees/skellies/apes in Burning Wood:

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5302/nextlevelkitingmaneuver.png

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5302/nextlevelkitingmaneuver.png

Raptors in TD:

http://imageshack.us/m/804/1332/14raptors.png
I made a video also. Although I don't use this method anymore I think the video can still be instructive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Lm6k2pvZQ.


Post here or /tell Giegue if you have any questions.

[Jack73hRipper]

ahhh yes I remember these days :cool:

[Cribanox]

Im happy to have such recognition and to have been some help to bards but I took the advice down for now. Glad to see some bards putting it to practice.

[Lazortag]

Im happy to have such recognition and to have been some help to bards but I took the advice down for now. Glad to see some bards putting it to practice.

Hey - I don't know if this was your intention, but the pro1999 site I linked to in my original post has the contents of your post on aoe kiting in it. If you want that removed I suggest you talk to "realpoor" (the site's creator, I think). I could always write up my own (slightly cleaned up) guide and credit you with the original strategy.

[Yak]

ZOMG, My alt may be a Bard now instead of a tank. That is amazing, thanks for sharing.

[Cribanox]

AH, well that's fine Lazor, not trying to hide it, was just going to perfect and clean up the guide and re post it one day when kunark comes out with leveling areas and stuff.

[john_savage1982]

started AoE kiting today...then I went to forums to see if others also do this and found that many found this difficult at first. You all must be bard amateurs. If you didn't notice diagonal hitboxes were off you're an EQ noob.

[john_savage1982]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4826/winnn.jpg

[john_savage1982]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4076/wineoj.jpg

[john_savage1982]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8008/rszswarmwin.jpg

[john_savage1982]

Note about the method in wiki:

If you strafe run at a diagonal mobs can not hit you. Do the circles but when you're applying dots come in closer at a stafe angle. Takes practice but I found it was safer.

[skulldudes]

i never could figure out how to kite that much shit without getting the shit beat out of me, even after practicing for a couple days and following the instructions word for word. it made me sad and i just quit playing my newbie bard.

i am an eq noob

[Chanus]

If not being able to kite zones is going to keep you from playing a bard, you probably wouldn't enjoy playing a bard in the first place.

[skulldudes]

i know kiting is only one facet of playing a bard, of course. it was just the idea of it excited me so damn much that when i couldn't manage it i just got discouraged as shit, QQ'd irl and gave up on the guy.

[john_savage1982]

skull - if you hold down right mouse button and hold forward/right or forward/left you can run at a strafing diagonal angle. If you pan your camera while doing this you can run at a diagonal angle at an angle. This is the core of aoe kiting. Swing around in a circle and hit your AoE dot. Wait until the cast bar gets close to finishing then come in swing in close for the kill. It helps to play around with your camera (i play in 3rd person static, two? views after 1st person) to get it so you know you are close enough for the dot to land.

Practice with a low level mob somewhere. Remember also that this technique does not work with larger mobs. You also need a pretty good reliable connection since you can't have any lag.

Good luck

[nalkin]

skull - if you hold down right mouse button and hold forward/right or forward/left you can run at a strafing diagonal angle. If you pan your camera while doing this you can run at a diagonal angle at an angle. This is the core of aoe kiting. Swing around in a circle and hit your AoE dot. Wait until the cast bar gets close to finishing then come in swing in close for the kill. It helps to play around with your camera (i play in 3rd person static, two? views after 1st person) to get it so you know you are close enough for the dot to land.


Hmm interesting. I never did the strafe run to kite, I just ran normally. Do other people do this?

Also I hold the current p99 record for one kite. 28 mobs all were DB and red at the time. Someone should beat this -

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8468/eq000057.png

[john_savage1982]

Damn I forgot to take a picture when I did a kite that big in SK. NObody was in zone and a bunch of chargers and avocets were up. I must have gotten 35-40 mobs

[john_savage1982]

I've done the straight running method and it works fine, I just find it easier to strafe run it because it guarantees distance is kept.

I've also been experimenting with larger mobs and if your timing is absolutely perfect the strafe run method will work on them. Hello seafury aoe farming.

[nalkin]

I've done the straight running method and it works fine, I just find it easier to strafe run it because it guarantees distance is kept.

I've also been experimenting with larger mobs and if your timing is absolutely perfect the strafe run method will work on them. Hello seafury aoe farming.

ohhhh nice ill have to try that

[Seaweedpimp]

Was about to upload my lvl 19 bard with 17 gorge hound corpses but apparently humans dont see too well at night. The screenshots are much darker than my actual vision was.

=(

[Seaweedpimp]

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/EQ000335.jpg

17 dark blues at lv 21

[Xerto]

Hey i kited in sk from 18-35 in about 4 or 5 days like 20ish hrs playtime maybe idk? it was really rough at the start but i found Nalkin's video and it helped me out tons heh so thanks so much for that video man and the music was baller haha... ive done 30+ or so in sk when the zone was empty with the aviaks paw gnolls cent village hermit area and everything inbetween ive also done about 20 dwarf guards and kited in the dock area around 40's but they got alot of hp.. heres about 18 or so i took a picture of back when i did it


http://s748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/twirl_09/

couldnt get the img to just show up on the post so theres the url heh

[john_savage1982]

SK is great until 35 if you can get gnolls/aviaks/centaurs but usually there are people at at least 1 of the camps.

i've been trying butcherblock dwarves but lvl 40 guards take forever to drop due to high hp and tending to resist dots. May be as I approach 40 it will be easier? Until then, All the 35 dwarves + guard rylin are decent....netting may be 10-12% a kite? Wish the respawn was faster on them.

Anybody have any good ideas for AoE kiting post 35+?

[Xerto]

Yea the guards not that efficient but only thing to ae kite would be spectres in oasis if you can get all eight its really awesome but four not bad on six minute spawn time other than that, its pretty easy for bard to make groups in solb especially if you know how to use lull, but you can also kite hg's in rathe for decent xp and coin I always tried have two or three on me and use charm and dots for good dps

[Lazortag]

hello all! I'm glad this thread is picking up a bit. Recently I've been working on making an aoe kiting video. I think this has a bit of educational value but more importantly it's just cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Lm6k2pvZQ

[bizzum]

Thanks for both the videos Lazor and Nalkin, really helped fine tune my kiting!

[azxten]

Not from P99 but easily the best AE kiting I've done.

http://i.imgur.com/bFSKI.jpg

1-60 in less than 2 days with 20 AA complete.

Of course, I was using a walk underwater cheat and /circle macro. I pulled literally the entire zone on each pull and kited under the water so no one would see me. People were shouting in zone thinking the spawns had broken since nothing would spawn for 15 minutes at a time zonewide.

I ended up making a deal with some company named rpgcheats or something to write an article on how I did this. The same day the article was published Sony nerfed Bard AE songs to not work on mobs that are moving.

Yes, I got Bard AE kiting nerfed on live. Sorry bros.

[john_savage1982]

I'll be 50-60 in a few days when kunark launches, dreadlands!!!!

[Lazortag]

I'll be 50-60 in a few days when kunark launches, dreadlands!!!!

ew, why dreadlands? There's casters there, they'll snare you.

[Ele]

ew, why dreadlands? There's casters there, they'll snare you.

I would think Burning Woods would be better.

[john_savage1982]

i believe all the mobs around karnors are warrior types

[Mcbard]

RAWR: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1316/eq000098.png

[brentwoodbam]

You are bad horrible for posting green cons ;p I'm sure you were near death even then because that's how bad of a kiter you are.

[Lazortag]

I posted a slightly shorter, cleaned-up guide in the original post, as well as my video.

[twaindamain]

I'm going to start kiting tonight after work. Cant wait, im lvl 19.

[twaindamain]

I started AOE Kiting using this method last night. I started with 6 gorge hounds to figure the tabbing out. Then i started pulling groups of 12-16 and rarely got hit. This is amazing. Only thing I noticed was that you dont need to ecumber yourself at low levels at least. Thank you!!

[fugazi]

Just buy some SoW potions and use Selo's for pulling.

[Seaweedpimp]

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/EQ000321.jpg

I know, its a PL but its still pretty.

[Messianic]

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/EQ000321.jpg

I know, its a PL but its still pretty.

Awesome.

[guineapig]

This might be a dumb question, if so I apologize in advance.
What do you mean by PL? How do you power level anyone like that?

[Lazortag]

This might be a dumb question, if so I apologize in advance.
What do you mean by PL? How do you power level anyone like that?

Well, when I was PLing someone else's Bard I would just pull lots of Shadowed men in Innothule (like 7-8 of them), twist aoe slow/rune/regen, while she used ae's to kill them off. That's one way of doing it.

[guineapig]

Well, when I was PLing someone else's Bard I would just pull lots of Shadowed men in Innothule (like 7-8 of them), twist aoe slow/rune/regen, while she used ae's to kill them off. That's one way of doing it.

Oh right so basically you would be PLing AoE capable classes only... or at least most efficiently.

I guess I was confused because the person in the picture is the one being PL'd, not the one doing the PLing.

[Seaweedpimp]

Im completely shocked if you cant figure it out, not to be rude but think about it... A bard... An enchanter...

[Seaweedpimp]

Chanter was 49ish PLing a 19-22ish bard.

[guineapig]

Im completely shocked if you cant figure it out, not to be rude but think about it... A bard... An enchanter...

I was just going by what was in the picture, and assumed you were powerleveling somebody else...:o

[Lazortag]

Im completely shocked if you cant figure it out, not to be rude but think about it... A bard... An enchanter...

Please point out the enchanter that is so obviously in that screenshot ;)

and yeah, an enchanter PLing a Bard is probably way more efficient than a Bard PLing a Bard.

[Seaweedpimp]

Please point out the enchanter that is so obviously in that screenshot ;)

and yeah, an enchanter PLing a Bard is probably way more efficient than a Bard PLing a Bard.



I figured the huge fire elemental in the middle of the spawns + Aoe stun spell.... Well only enchanters get that.

Edit: ok i guess hes not huge, But really how can you get past the aoe stun pixels? lolol

[Lazortag]

I figured the huge fire elemental in the middle of the spawns + Aoe stun spell.... Well only enchanters get that.

Edit: ok i guess hes not huge, But really how can you get past the aoe stun pixels? lolol

Maybe I haven't seen that spell enough to memorize exactly what pixels are associated with it? My enchanter's only level 22. It's not as obvious as you think it is. Let's just leave it there :)

[Seaweedpimp]

True, But who hasnt seen this on live? Im actually appauled two level 50's dont know what a color skew looks like. That is all.

[Messianic]

True, But who hasnt seen this on live? Im actually appauled two level 50's dont know what a color skew looks like. That is all.

I'm kind of surprised, too - i can't make out the elemental in the middle, I just know what color skew/flux looks like.

That's a mighty tasty way to PL AoE classes :D

[guineapig]

True, But who hasnt seen this on live? Im actually appauled two level 50's dont know what a color skew looks like. That is all.

To be honest my spell effects are off most of the time so I probably haven't sen those particles since 2005. But you are right, the color line does look just like that. I assumed it was also a particle effect used in some bard song (again, particles turned off for my bard).

Anyway, I just looked and saw lots of dogs, sparkles and a spider with a bard in the middle. There was nothing in the chat window to indicate what else was going on besides bard damage. I just now noticed the elemental you were referring to. :o

Lastly, I have too many of my own characters to level up to bother and learn every single powerleveling trick for every class combination. :p In any case it's a good looking kite!

[Lazortag]

Wow. I can't believe I didn't take a screenshot of my epic raptor kite on Beta. It was really hard to execute and took forever. It would have been perfect for this thread.

[DevonG]

Seafuries were put on this norrath for bards, I swear.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/devongpictures/EQ000228.jpg

[Mcbard]

To be honest my spell effects are off most of the time so I probably haven't sen those particles since 2005. But you are right, the color line does look just like that. I assumed it was also a particle effect used in some bard song (again, particles turned off for my bard).

Yup I don't play with spell effects on anymore either. I never did on live, but I did here with about 8% opacity until they made that god awful manasong effect with the last update. I've went back to having them all off.

Bard pling a bard is awesome.. ae slow + DS + regen when needed and grab entire zones and just hold agro with slow while the other bard dots them to death. Never any down time and you can powerlevel well into the 30s in SolA, but by then it starts to get a little tricky as anymore than like 6 mobs at a time might cause you some problems! Also if the class you're powerleveling has a PBAE you can get a bunch of mobs with similar hp, almost kill them, make sure the low level tags with AE, dot when they are low and zone. Mass exp for only 1 AE's worth of mana for the powerlevelee. :)

[Lazortag]

Everything mcbard said is totally true. It definitely gets very slow at around 35 though, in my experience.

Seafuries were put on this norrath for bards, I swear.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/devongpictures/EQ000228.jpg

This... isn't an example of aoe kiting.

[DevonG]

Forgive me,
Thought we were just talking about how amazing bards are by this page.

[Lazortag]

Forgive me,
Thought we were just talking about how amazing bards are by this page.

this is very forgivable.

[john_savage1982]

anybody have any SS of upper-levels (40-60) AoE kiting in kunark yet? So far I've been crashing in OT everytime I land chords on like 50-100+ mobs.

[Lizardtheinsane]

Although it may not be as cool as kiting spectres, giants or aviaks, here's a screenshot my bard in North Karana after kiting 16 Willowisps. Since last weekends updates, Bellowing on reds hasn't been an option with the 30 second cooldown so I've been AE kiting dark blues. Damn! Why have I not done this before?!

I went from 12 to 17 here AE kiting Willowisps. The xp is pretty good if you turn in the stones at the gypsy camp. Looking forward to my next level when I get Denon's Disruptive Discord. :)

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/X_Todd_Kirby_X/EQ000016.jpg

[dunevenker]

Hmm interesting. I never did the strafe run to kite, I just ran normally. Do other people do this?

Also I hold the current p99 record for one kite. 28 mobs all were DB and red at the time. Someone should beat this -




I do not have a screen shot, as I did not know there was an E-peen measuring contest about it, but at lvl 18, I kited 54 mobs in EK, ranging from light blue to red.

I've beaten your record, several times.
I may not have the screens, but I have people who can verify it, as I was grouped at the time. No sense in having everyone complain about Bards because I pulled the entire zone. I have qualms with sharing the exp.

[nalkin]

I've beaten your record, several times.

SS or it didn't happen

[bizzum]

Just wondering what you guys use as your key setup for running/hotkeys. I have been practicing but my hand tends to literally cramp up from hitting 1, 2, and 3 for spells while trying to press A or D for moving while I auto run. Can't think of a great way because I need to use my mouse to switch instruments so I didnt want to use the arrow keys and both hands for moving/casting... Just wondering how you guys do it or if I need to man up.

[Mcbard]

I usually use WASD to run and circles and I click to dot and switch instruments. Hand used to start to cramp after a couple hours so I'd take a break and then come back to it.

[bizzum]

I usually use WASD to run and circles and I click to dot and switch instruments. Hand used to start to cramp after a couple hours so I'd take a break and then come back to it.

Sounds so simple after somebody told me about it, and with the Vert UI the instrument/secondary slots are right next to the spell hotkeys too. Time to go play in LOIO!

[Rugged]

Funny, I stumbled upon this thread doing a google search for killer bard kiting areas. I didn't intend on being in the run for a record, but here's my score. I had just turned 20 and hit EK to get on the grind. the hounds, stalkers, Griffs were DB, and the spiders were even con. I really don't remember how many there were. :)

There was a couple corpses that vanished due to no loot, before the SS was taken.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/istrak666/EQ000002-Copy.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/istrak666/EQ000003-Copy-1.jpg

[john_savage1982]

Found best spot in OT. Flat. No roaming mobs. Tried it out on beta. Made it from 36-39 in one kite (mind you it's 500% xp on beta, but still, that's 60% on live). One kite takes may be 20 or so mins. That includes gathering mobs (there are a shit ton in OT)

[john_savage1982]

Here's OT AoE kiting...
http://i53.tinypic.com/6i4ahy.jpg

[beaon]

Why do you weigh yourself down. Is that for better speed management?

[Lazortag]

Why do you weigh yourself down. Is that for better speed management?

yes. I don't think everyone does it that way, but I find it easier.

[Seaweedpimp]

Since lvl 28 or so using a sow potion has allways ben about perfect for kiting for me.

[Mcbard]

yes. I don't think everyone does it that way, but I find it easier.

Yup, I actually do a similar thing. I prefer to use selos without a drum when I'm doing it.

[john_savage1982]

Anybody else notice the range on chords of dissonance was decreased? May be I'm imagining things but I'm finding it significantly easier to land Denon's compared to chords.

[falkun]

I don't think they had the same range on live either. I believe denon's has always had a larger range. The first archive of EQDiva from March 2001 even lists the 2 songs having different ranges:

Chords - Song Radius: 30 feet (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20010421165536/http://www.eqdiva.com/songs.asp?song=2)
Denon's - Song Radius: 35 feet (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20010421164459/http://www.eqdiva.com/songs.asp?song=18).

Now the P99 wiki doesn't list the PBAOE ranges, but I don't think either have been decreased.

The difference between P99 and live is that chasing mobs have a larger hitbox when chasing in a straight line than their live counterparts. This is a known issue that is very difficult to remedy. The work around is to get better at running in circles.

[john_savage1982]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2hd42e9.png

[john_savage1982]

so I did 35-47 in a few days in OT, about 6 hrs a day

[canardvc]

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr158/canardvc/Kite_43mob_OT.jpg


A bit like our savage friend, in OT. 43 mobs, made 21% of my level 35 on them (grouped with my druid buddy who made 43% of his level 31 in one shot). You'll notice the very pure circle. I don't like to run far to loot them all, as I have to pull some other pack ASAP :p.

Cheers !

[canardvc]

Yes, I got Bard AE kiting nerfed on live. Sorry bros.
73 mobs down in one pull in OT yesterday. Who will have an AE kiting legit nerf on P99 ?!

[john_savage1982]

73 mobs down in one pull in OT yesterday. Who will have an AE kiting legit nerf on P99 ?!

Damn. I start having client crashes around 50 mobs.

[Cribanox]

I should have charged for this information!

[Lazortag]

73 mobs down in one pull in OT yesterday. Who will have an AE kiting legit nerf on P99 ?!

73 mobs? Wow. I could never handle that many on my screen at once. My computer would explode.

[Daldaen]

WTB level 18 on my bard so I can start. The huge hit boxes here make this a pain in the ass pre 18 :(

[Lazortag]

WTB level 18 on my bard so I can start. The huge hit boxes here make this a pain in the ass pre 18 :(

If you rolled a Bard, I or another Bard could easily PL it to 18. We could spend a few pages of this thread contemplating ways to do that :p

[Daldaen]

If you rolled a Bard, I or another Bard could easily PL it to 18. We could spend a few pages of this thread contemplating ways to do that :p

Instrument, AOE Fear/Slow level 15 mobs bring them to me. twist DS/Regen songs and let me PBAE DoT them! I have a 10 bard, just having a tough time getting 10-18 :/

[Lazortag]

Instrument, AOE Fear/Slow level 15 mobs bring them to me. twist DS/Regen songs and let me PBAE DoT them! I have a 10 bard, just having a tough time getting 10-18 :/

level 15 mobs? Why would I need to twist regen? Let's be real here :p

I also find twisting rune much more effective than twisting regen.

Feel free to send me a tell if I'm online, but you'll need to be in Kunark.

[john_savage1982]

a bard can probably PL any class 1-20 the best. All a bard would have to do is gather a shit ton of mobs and run AoE slow. A class with an AoE would probably lvl the fastest but constant DPS on one mob after the other is fast as well.

[moleman124]

Hello

I rolled a bard a while ago and then stopped playing at lvl 9 .. after reading this thread on aoe kiting YESTERDAY I thought I'd give it a go.

Already some progress... this is 5 mobs plus a couple of strays in NRO, it dinged me to 10. (No buffs, just myself and a lute at lvl 9, far from perfect but still ^_^)

Tho I dont go in as neat of a circle as the pic suggests.. sometimes I can get off an aoe without taking dmg, other times its a bit BS that I get hit lol

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4141/moipanbardaoekite.png (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/moipanbardaoekite.png/)



Awesome thread ^_^

[Lazortag]

I'm thinking of compiling some of the better screenshots and putting them on the first post so people don't have to read this entire thread.

Keep up the good work y'all.

[Hmotzart]

One of the HM family hard at work.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2153/eq000004p.png

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7337/eq000025d.png

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9714/eq000030.png

[Hmotzart]

For the non bards reading this, this is what happens when u get hit with that lucky stun from a mob..
Oh yeh there just behind you so you have no AC and stuns happen alot.. NO chances, no do overs, its live or die....
I was 100% life with 45 mobs on me. This was about .005 seconds! LOADING PLEASE WAIT!
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/3527/eq000031.png

[falkun]

For the non bards reading this, this is what happens when u get hit with that lucky stun from a mob..
Oh yeh there just behind you so you have no AC and stuns happen alot.. NO chances, no do overs, its live or die....
I was 100% life with 45 mobs on me. This was about .005 seconds! LOADING PLEASE WAIT!


10% exp gone in <.5sec. Yup, I know the feeling.

[CrazyYodler]

Was just curious on what to start off with from level 18. Want to give a go at AOE kiting and I dont know a decent camp(s) to goto at this level range.

Maybe a list of decent areas/mobs for 18-30?

Was just curious since this is my first bard since 2001 lol.

Thanks in advance.

And just to clarify....
1) twist selo's w/o drum
2) circle in closer with lute/horn
3) Lay a AE dot on
4) circle wide out
5) circle in closer
7) Lay another AE Dot on.

in between dot timers do you use the DD song? or just chill with Selo's and Healing?

[Nevron]

Hey Hmotzart,

I think I've seen a few of your corpses around, heh. The same thing would happen to an enchanter if they get 45 mobs on them, but I'd have zero chance of kiting them in the first place. Risk vs reward well in the bard's favor from what I've read on this thread.

Probably many non-bards would be pleased to see a bard go down under 45 mobs especially if they were having trouble finding anything to hunt of the right level in the same zone. It would probably serve the bard community well to talk more about when they give up an area out of courtesy to other players, or if they died to prevent training a group, or how they might "negotiate" with another group if they could otherwise "kite the whole zone".

Nevron 14 enchanter

[Lazortag]

Was just curious on what to start off with from level 18. Want to give a go at AOE kiting and I dont know a decent camp(s) to goto at this level range.

Maybe a list of decent areas/mobs for 18-30?

Was just curious since this is my first bard since 2001 lol.

Thanks in advance.

And just to clarify....
1) twist selo's w/o drum
2) circle in closer with lute/horn
3) Lay a AE dot on
4) circle wide out
5) circle in closer
7) Lay another AE Dot on.

in between dot timers do you use the DD song? or just chill with Selo's and Healing?

I don't use Brusco's Boastful Bellow. I don't suggest you do either; it doesn't give you that much utility. Just stay focused on the important stuff (ae's, selo's, regen).


Probably many non-bards would be pleased to see a bard go down under 45 mobs especially if they were having trouble finding anything to hunt of the right level in the same zone. It would probably serve the bard community well to talk more about when they give up an area out of courtesy to other players, or if they died to prevent training a group, or how they might "negotiate" with another group if they could otherwise "kite the whole zone".


This is fair. I typically just aoe kite in zones that already have a huge surplus of mobs, or I aoe kite spots that would already be taken up by a comparable number of players (solo/duo spots that is, like the specs tower in Oasis). Otherwise I'd feel kind of bad. Though I won't judge any Bards who aoe kite in zones when there's a scarcity of mobs, I just think it's better for everyone to do it in zones that are more densely populated with mobs. Yes, sadly that excludes South karana.

[Hmotzart]

Hey Hmotzart,

I think I've seen a few of your corpses around, heh. The same thing would happen to an enchanter if they get 45 mobs on them, but I'd have zero chance of kiting them in the first place. Risk vs reward well in the bard's favor from what I've read on this thread.

Probably many non-bards would be pleased to see a bard go down under 45 mobs especially if they were having trouble finding anything to hunt of the right level in the same zone. It would probably serve the bard community well to talk more about when they give up an area out of courtesy to other players, or if they died to prevent training a group, or how they might "negotiate" with another group if they could otherwise "kite the whole zone".

Nevron 14 enchanter

Yeh for the most part I will tell people to pull mobs out of my swarm if they need exp.. I always try and find places no one is near so I am not snagging there exp. I also join groups and swarm for them, while they group kill. It is not always a solo gig with me. I love to share the wealth since I don't get asked to group a lot cause of the exp hit and yes I HAVE TONS OF BODS everywhere hehe, think I had over 50 in WC teaching myself how to do this since it has been years since i played my bard on live... I HAVE MARKED MY ZONES WELL! So if anyone ever see's me swarmin near your group I would love to share full group exp bonus with swarms.. PST! As for deaths or trains Whelp I die instantly most the time Or i just keep the kite going and heal to full. No sense in letting a 20 min gather for a swarm go to waste. I would rather take the time to heal to full and kill..

[canardvc]

Was just curious on what to start off with from level 18. Want to give a go at AOE kiting and I dont know a decent camp(s) to goto at this level range.

Maybe a list of decent areas/mobs for 18-30?

Was just curious since this is my first bard since 2001 lol.

Thanks in advance.

And just to clarify....
1) twist selo's w/o drum
2) circle in closer with lute/horn
3) Lay a AE dot on
4) circle wide out
5) circle in closer
7) Lay another AE Dot on.

in between dot timers do you use the DD song? or just chill with Selo's and Healing?

I pull with single DOT song, but at lower levels with Below. I don't bother using any DD/Single DOT during the kite because I keep reapplying the AE DOT (level 18 that is, I almost don't use the level 2, risk would become > rewards :P).

A several (many ?) mobs will be resisting your AE DOT, just reapply to keep everyone DOTed at any time. They will eventually go down.

Probably many non-bards would be pleased to see a bard go down under 45 mobs especially if they were having trouble finding anything to hunt of the right level in the same zone. It would probably serve the bard community well to talk more about when they give up an area out of courtesy to other players, or if they died to prevent training a group, or how they might "negotiate" with another group if they could otherwise "kite the whole zone".

Playing Euro time can be handy at times. When logging in the morning/early afternoon, you can take half OT (which should be somewhere between 70 and 90 mobs) and no one will start crying in /OOC. Otherwise, when others bards are pulling that many mobs on peak hours or zone's overcrowded, I just go do something else.

[falkun]

Maybe a list of decent areas/mobs for 18-30?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=248109&postcount=8

Not definitive, but it provides a few ideas. I've also heard SK is good for most of the 20s (KFC and then moving to gnolls).

[Mcbard]

Was just curious on what to start off with from level 18. Want to give a go at AOE kiting and I dont know a decent camp(s) to goto at this level range.

Maybe a list of decent areas/mobs for 18-30?

Was just curious since this is my first bard since 2001 lol.

Thanks in advance.

And just to clarify....
1) twist selo's w/o drum
2) circle in closer with lute/horn
3) Lay a AE dot on
4) circle wide out
5) circle in closer
7) Lay another AE Dot on.

in between dot timers do you use the DD song? or just chill with Selo's and Healing?

I did gorge hounds in EK an loved it. Was the last time I really ae kited as SK was way too overpopulated for my blood.

[john_savage1982]

Hey Hmotzart,

I think I've seen a few of your corpses around, heh. The same thing would happen to an enchanter if they get 45 mobs on them, but I'd have zero chance of kiting them in the first place. Risk vs reward well in the bard's favor from what I've read on this thread.

Probably many non-bards would be pleased to see a bard go down under 45 mobs especially if they were having trouble finding anything to hunt of the right level in the same zone. It would probably serve the bard community well to talk more about when they give up an area out of courtesy to other players, or if they died to prevent training a group, or how they might "negotiate" with another group if they could otherwise "kite the whole zone".

Nevron 14 enchanter

I've run into some conflicts in SK while AoE kiting in my 20's but nothing severe. I don't think definite rules should be made here. Then again, as Uthgaard has pointed out in system-wide messages, P1999 isn't good at resolving their own conflicts.

[falkun]

Ok, I know this SS doesn't show all the corpses. Over half despawned while I was still kiting. I don't know how many there were, what I do know is i started pulling mobs at 63% into 33. I ended my kite at 43% into 34. You do the math.

[Lazortag]

This one was just a warmup:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2321/warmupx.png

More than 40 mobs in this one:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3791/atleast40.png

Note that neither of these were very conventional aoe kites (I used Selo's Assonant Strane while she did the damage)

[falkun]

These 2 pulls took me from 27% in 37 to 27% in 39 (with the awesome EQChangesV8 25% bonus exp). In both pictures I tried getting the SS before the pile started despawning on me. You'll notice in the first one I still have about 10 mobs chasing me on the right side of the pile, with a yellow one targeted. In the 2nd SS the remainder of the pack is behind me. O, and you know you love that UI.

[john_savage1982]

Has anybody found a good place to AoE kite 51+?

[Daldaen]

My money is on burning woods or skyfire. In sky you need to avoid chromdracs and probably wurms due to huge hitbox plus this servers broken hitbox extension problem. And burning woods same for wurms.

I'd imagine both would work nicely

[john_savage1982]

I've tried burning woods - lot of casting mobs and can't let mobs get out of sight while gathering them else they might aggro things that you can't allow in swarm.

[Mcbard]

I have yet to find a spot.. plus I seem to suck at it since I haven't done it since my 20's and I run so freaking fast now. :(

Honestly, unless you can pull off a flawless kite everytime though, kunark mobs just seem to have too many HP, and if they catch you you're toast. You could do things like bloodgills and drolvargs, but half of those are going to be light blue at 51 I think.

[alWald0]

God, Bards just seem like complete badasses if you play them right. I made one, not working on him yet, but i feel like this is hard to do.

[Hmotzart]

Bards, NO WAY why would you think such things?
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/168/eq000093.png

[machin576]

Hey guys, since this is the closest thing to the bard forum, I need to ask for some help.
I am trying to AoE kite, but I keep getting hit while going in circles and it seems to be more do to lag than anything else. My kites have to be less than 6 mobs, and if my hp goes below 60% I have to back off and get my hp up before going back in to dot. I am only 15 and currently kiting in FoB.
I have noticed that even when I make super wide circles, I still get a lag spike every so often, and my mobs will hit me from like 40 feet away. Is there anything I can do to remedy this? I am watching myself in a way out view, and tapping the turn key constantly, but I still get hit, usually when I am backed off from the mobs, letting the dot take effect. Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks

[Hmotzart]

Sorry I am no help if your using that method.. I do not use the turn keys to turn, I mouse drive, strafe.. Might ask Lazortag hes a turnkey guy.

[Haul]

nice aoe pic Hmotzart

[Rifter]

Thread should be renamed to Bard Zone Disruption Douchebaggery.

[Lazortag]

:(

get over it.

[Lazortag]

double post.

[falkun]

Hey guys, since this is the closest thing to the bard forum, I need to ask for some help.
I am trying to AoE kite, but I keep getting hit while going in circles and it seems to be more do to lag than anything else. My kites have to be less than 6 mobs, and if my hp goes below 60% I have to back off and get my hp up before going back in to dot. I am only 15 and currently kiting in FoB.
I have noticed that even when I make super wide circles, I still get a lag spike every so often, and my mobs will hit me from like 40 feet away. Is there anything I can do to remedy this? I am watching myself in a way out view, and tapping the turn key constantly, but I still get hit, usually when I am backed off from the mobs, letting the dot take effect. Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks

I'm a turnkey guy, I tap 'D' (right turn) with my left middle finger until it goes numb, which thankfully is usually about the time the mobs die, so then i can "mouse-drive," as Hmotzart puts it, while gathering up the next pack. The hard part about doing kiting at 15 is that your DoT (chords of dissonance) is only 30 range. Unless you are perfect, you are going to get hit. That is why you are doing the right thing by kiting much smaller packs. I usually did 5-12 mobs prior to getting the L18 dot, because I could usually survive 1 round if I did get hit-stunned with that many mobs. If I did get hit I would twist in hymn along with selos and I would be much more cautious with chords until I was again at 80+%hps.

Ways to reduce lag include:

Lower the far clip plane
Hide corpses
Reduce spell effects to minimum
Hide DoT messages


TL;DR: You are kiting before your prime. Its still faster than grouping/single killing, but its more risky and you are taking the appropriate precautions. Kite to 18, enjoy newfound capability.

[Nokio]

Hi all!

I started kiting this weekend. I only can play about 30 minutes per day but it is more then enough to do a kite with my bard. Im level 9 only but I managed to kite 13 mob at once yesterday! Im trying to make myself a "zone path" as to where I will go and at what level to try different kite.

Have fun all

[Nokio]

By the way I tried the tapping method but i seems to always get hit once in a while. Then Hmotzart told me of his way to do it. Personnally, with Hmotzart method I never get hit.

[machin576]

Thanks for the advice Falkun. I have been trying the Mouse-strafe method also, and I think my hits are still random lag ones, but i am landing a lot more dots using Hmotzart's method. I can't wait for 18 and some sweet action DDD. In response to Nokia, you are right, we need to work on a guide for AoE kiting, with key bindings, hints, and definitely some leveling guidance.


I am currently 16 and I am kiting FoB Northeast of Kurn's tower. There are plenty of light blues to yellows around there, but I actually prefer the dark blues because they drop super fast. I have also tried Dervs in Sro at about 14, but you need to watch out for wanderers + caster mobs. Desert madmen will nuke you to hell.


If I was your level, I would try Willow wisps in North Karana, I did that for a while, and every GLS that drops can be turned in for nice EXP + 9-11 PP. I might actually go do that anyways when I hit 18 to make some cash.


Lake of Ill Omen would also be a great place for levels 12 - 30, plenty of mobs, even though the Tigers stun which is NOT classic. You have many options and I will try to make a file of them at work today and paste it in later. Also, hopefully, Hmotzart will get on and post some of his spots for his quick rise to kiting fame.

Off this topic: Do any of you old bards remember when they added Selo's lasting for like 3 minutes instead of 15 seconds? Was that like PoP or Luclin? I am hoping it is earlier, makes kiting a lot less OCD.

[gencs74s]

thanks for share good sharing

[falkun]

Honestly, OT will take you from 20 to 40+. You will get sick of that zone you do it so much. I had a lull around 28-30 where OT was in "transition" between the east side turning green and the south/west sides still full of yellow/reds. I did that dry spell in WW iksar bandits and FV drolvargs (FV 'vargs take some balls to kite. Died a ton there!)

HMO, can you explain this strafing thing a bit to hit mobs with dot? I use my mouse to do instrument swaps, so I had to learn to keyboard turn, which meant my hands were busy so I also use my mouse for song-changing. I've recently gotten to the point where I don't instrument swap anymore (slower selos is easier now), so I could go to keyboard twisting and change to mouse movement. I'm very interested if you can enlighten me.

EDITS BELOW:
Im trying to make myself a "zone path" as to where I will go

This was my path. Its not definitive by any means.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=248109&postcount=8

[Nokio]

L10-12ish: The orcs in LFay (locations #6 & 11)
I started doing that one at level 8 actualy and it works great!



Do you think at level 10-11 i could AE kite the minotor at the minotor cave or around?

:p

[machin576]

• L1-18ish: Field of Bone, great zone.

• L7ish: The bandit sister camp in GFay (location #3)

• L10-12ish: The orcs in LFay (locations #6 & 11)

• L9-15ish: Willowisps in NK, WC, or possibly Kerra Isle in Erudin’s crossing. Beware, Kerra does not have many flat surfaces and there is no zone lines if you need to reset, so probably not a good idea.

• L13-15ish: The Derv and orc camps in SRo or NRo, lulling the casters and taking them out solo afterward. I usually also went in the desert and grabbed some extra roaming undead/dervs. (locations #3, 5, 6, & 10; although more locations in the southern portion are orc camps. I just found those listed to have fewer/no casters.)

• L14-18: Field of Bone. Good spot North East of Kurn’s and a plethora of mobs to kite.

• L16-19ish: LOIO fields. (I did 17 off the skellies/lower level sarnaks between locations #4, 5, 7 & 9. I did 16-20 off the non-caster wanderers between locations #9 and 13)

• L18-30+: South Karana – Anything and everything. Beware of non-bard classes and their curious philosophy called “Camps”.

• L17-24ish????: Gorge hounds, undead gnolls, all kinds of delightful mobs. I need someone to add some input on this zone, since I have never kited it.

• L20-26: Iksar outcast camps in WW and the lower level field portion of OT. (WW locations #B, 9, 10, 11 and OT field between locations #5, 6, 9, 10). OT is off-the-charts exp at this level range. If you can gather up the whole area, you are looking at ~45min/level during this range.

• 26-28The EXP really started to slow down in OT, so I headed back to WW and continued on the iksar outcast camps there. Was slower, but I didn't have to spend half my kite gathering up LB mobs.

• 29-30: I am doing this portion on the Drolvargs in FV. I have to admit, this range is by far the most dangerous I've done so far. The drolvargs are larger than most MOBs I've kited so far, and therefore have a larger hitbox, while I still have to be within 35 measurement units to hit them with my 18 dot. I have really perfected my distance/selo's speed, while also dieing much more than I would have liked in this level range. I gather up yellow/blue drolvargs while avoiding froglocks (especially casters) and other red dogs. It's actually not that hard to do. On this map of FV, I gather drolvargs from the area surrounded by points #3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and A on the map, and then I take them back towards the NorthEastern Swamp of No Hope zone line as there are no wanderers back there. I'd recommend only pulling a few until you perfect your skills, as I have gotten stunned and 1-rounded (or even not stunned and one-rounded) more often than I'd like to admit. These dogs can take me to probably 35 or so, but I think I may try to find some MOBs to kite that aren't quite so deadly. The good news is I can sell/bank without zoning.

• 31-40: I went back to OT and started kiting the Western/Southern areas of the zone. Basically any blue-red mob (besides dragoons) between the Outpost, SF, FM, the center valley and location #10 on this map of Overthere is fair game. I do recommend you pull only cockatrices, tigers, and cacti. They all move at the same speed. Rhinos move faster, but selos is much faster and a rhino-only kite would certainly work. Some Sarnaks cast, and I'm moving way too fast to check names to see if I'm about to pull a caster or not. This post shows some kites where I had probably 50+ mobs in my kite (figuring 1-2%/kill, and I know I made 100% of a level for each of those 2 kites). You can make some pretty awesome pulls. I've pulled so many that the dot spam insta-crashed EQ to desktop (creating a crappy CR).

• 40-46ish???: Dreadlands, drovlargs. Hopefully Hmo will come give some inputs on which walls of Karnors he used, etc, etc.

• 46-52ish: Spectres in Feerott or Oasis

Kind of stumped after this. I did all my kiting in Velious on live after level 30, so not the best source for this information.

Also, does anyone have any information on TD, I remember being there on live, doing Aviaks or raptors maybe? I cannot remember what level they are.

This list is in no way exhaustive, so feel free to add to it and repost it.

[Hmotzart]

HMO, can you explain this strafing thing a bit to hit mobs with dot?

Hmotzart's Hmethod to Hmadness in Dsharp
Ok first off I was thinking I am not a HMO! But I guess this is going to be a shitty insurance policy so I might be a HMO hehehehe

It took me 50+ deaths in WC to teach myself this and figure out all the settings i needed.. I die ALOT when moving to a new zone, testing out each mob so i can figure out what I want to pull and what I want to LEAVE THE HELL ALONE. THIS IS NOT easy mode plvling and most people think bards are easy THEY ARE NOT. It is live or die out there and most the time it is DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE live YAY I got my exp back.
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Ok this is the whole strat.. It is a lot of prep work so get your self ready to DL a few things and set up your UI for things to work really smooth.
This only works if you drive with WASD and have a steady hand for mouse steering. This method has nothing to do with weight limit or speed of your toon. You can start this @ lvl 2 with no speed enhancement at all. You will just have to do HUGE circles... You will have to adjust the speed at witch you turn your toon with the mouse the faster you become. The slower you go the bigger the circle.

1.
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I LOVE audio triggers but there are only a few in the folder to work with so GO out and find some .wav files (under 2 seconds of sound works best AND make sure they are not super loud ones or it will get annoying) I personally found some broken piano, guitar, and brass/wind instrument sounds. DL them and drop them into the "AudioTriggers" folder in your eq directory.

Now log into game and hit your EQ button, go to actions then audio triggers.

You will need to make a few of these to help you drive a bit blind. <-- I will explain this driving blind a bit later.

Making your first BARD audio trigger.
You must add a pattern you want your trigger to sound off of.
First safety pattern will be.

pattern: You miss a note, bringing your song to a close!

Then pick a sound you want to hear then click create. (something small and hardly audible because you will hear this A LOT) you do not want to get annoyed.

Second safety pattern will be.

pattern: You slow down

Pick a sound YOU WILL notice because this usually means DEATH!

Your Kite pattern for driving blind.

pattern: Winces

This time pick a sound that is low, short but noticeable so you know when your dot lands and can circle a bit bigger as to not get hit. Note you will want to change this one when you group with a shamie cause you'll hear it a lot and it will bug you.

To edit one of these at anytime you will then edit and click APPLY.
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2.
Movement
Mouse steering and strafe.
Let me explain, we all know when playing a non bard non sow class most mobs can be outrun by running diagonal. Not all mobs but some mobs. NOT GIANTS or any larger creatures but I add this into the kite just in case. It does not always help and if u get hit at higher lvls you usually DIE.

So this is how it goes.

Push forward and hold your mouse button down that lets you mouse steer. Mine is the right mouse button lets me steer with mouse..
You are now mouse driving! YAY

If you intend on turning left with your mouse you'll want to push and hold forward & right while holding the steering mouse button the whole time, so place your DOT hotkeys on 1 and 2 so your ring finger will be free to hit them.

If you intend on turning right with your mouse you'll want to push and hold forward & left while holding the steering mouse button the whole time, so place your DOT hotkeys on 3 and 4 so you can hit them with your pointer finger will be free to hit them.

So lets recap this just incase..
Left turn YOU PUSH AND HOLD forward, right and steering mouse button.. THE WHOLE TIME!
Right turn YOU PUSH AND HOLD forward , left and steering mouse button THE WHOLE TIME!

You Might have to adjust your mouse's sensitivity (mine is @ max) I do not suggest this until you get used to this method. You WILL be picking up your mouse a lot to move it so you can keep pulling the circle. Its trial and FAIL don't worry you'll get it. Remember 50+ deaths for me to teach myself this. I always pick up and move my mouse immediately after the dot hits WHILE HOLDING THE 3 BUTTONS forward, right and mousebutton,so i run a little diagonal at that point before I come in for the turn again.

I use the mouse because u never know with the UI lag how much of a turn you get from taping the turn keys. But with a mouse (its crazy I know) you will start to feel it.
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3.
Your view
You will be a little blind but use the standard view when kiting but scroll all the way out.
You MUST clear out the bottom corners of your screen either the right bottom or left bottom corner depending on what way you turn. I myself just fade my chat boxes all the way out.

This is for range of the song. When circling you will not be able to see the mobs! So the trick is to target the white,yellow or red mob. ( the higher the lvl targeted the longer your target will stay alive so you dont have to try and target another mob to get the target ring) Once that target ring comes into VIEW (if turning right, right bottom corner of screen. When turning left, left bottom corner of screen) They are close enough to be doted with the lvl 2 song. You will be able to time this the more practice you get. TRICK start circling in big circles then tighten them down slow . You can even circle without any speed enhancement what so ever (if you don't mind 3 mile wide circles)

EDIT TRICK: If you have seen me out and about you'll notice usually I have 3 of my dead bodies in a triangle on the ground.. I use this for circle reference on how close I can circle before I get hit.. You can also Use bushes, ground change lines, sides of buildings and a unlooted bodie anything on the ground you can watch and Know your circling perfect.
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4.
Hot key macros
Hit your EQ button go to actions hit your action window it will bring up a box and then u must select the social tab on the far right.. these are your editable macro buttons. Go to page 2 and start this proses.

Yes they are the standard 2 song twist macros. I always put Selo's on the second song of any kite macro I build so I am always safe with speed at the end of the macro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOT Macro looks like this
/stopsong
/cast 1
/pause 28
/stopsong
/cast 8

I ALWAYS put my biggest aoe dot on the top of my spell gems and selos on the bottom.. NEVER change the spell gems around or the macros will not work.

Selos macro looks like this.
/stopsong
/cast 8

This is for when you miss a note aka fizzel on selos and need to hit it again. Remember your audio trigger will let you know when the first part of the macro or the second part of the macro fails. If the first part fails and you hear your audio trigger , be patient and let Selos hit you before you tap the dot macro again!!!!! If the second part fails hit your selos macro asap. If you hear your selos wear off with the "You slow down" audio trigger RUN IN A STRAIGHT LINE OR DIE!

Pause macros are funny creatures, they will lock you into that macro and you will not be able to use any other action untill it is complete so do not freak out. Keep running and you will be safe.

I Have a lot more kite macros that i use such as a heal, DD, direct dot, just about anything.. The key to a kite macro is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS put selos on the second cast for your protection.
NOTE The macro only has to be hit once. it will twist the 2 songs perfectly for you. Unless a song fails then you just wait for the selos to be sung and keep up the kite.
I use the pause 28 cause it accounts for this servers UI lag.. If your songs are not twisting raise the number by 1 each time until they twist and if u think u have no lag u can go to the pause 26 BUT WARNING NOW the second your ui hits any lag these macros WILL NOT WORK! so be safe and use 28 as your pause.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT EVER, NEVER, NEVER EVER, NEVER EVER EVER FOR ANY REASON USE MACROS IN GROUP SETTINGS OR YOU FAIL AND MIGHT AS WELL DELETE THE BARD NAO! single tap single song macros do work for groups and I use them a lot but the twist macros are JUNK!
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5.
What to wield and when to wield it?
I personally use my drum for the pulling of the swarm.
Then i use my Brass for the dot i use now.

CoD. lvl 2: song- Strings
DdD. lvl 18:song- Brass horn
Selos CoC. lvl 48: song- Strings

Make a hot key for your weapons bag and a hot key for your main hand and offhand slots. Easy enough to change weps in and out.
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6. Be paitent.
You will die! You will take a long time to heal if u get hit and have to run around with regen going. Just know this. Patience is a virtue please let it be one of the virtues you have while being a bard. You will be killing a ton of mobs who cares how fast you do it when you have 100 in your pack.
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Don't screw yourself with your skills. If you do this all the way to lvl 60 you'll be horrid melee dps and no one will like to group with you so take the time out to fear kite and group to skill up. DON'T BE A LAMER! If you have no skills in melee you must lvl it up and if you don't stop every 5 lvls or so to go melee then it will take YEARS @ lvl 60 cause u have to have a hit for a skill up so imagine a lvl 1 trying to hit a raid boss.. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
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Be kind, Be courteous, Invite strangers who are soloing for a huge swarm and bump there exp, Offer groups to swarm for them while they single kill, Let the zone know you do not mind if someone pulls a mob out of your pack.
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I had informed a few higher lvls to use sneak as a means to slow yourself down with selos.. This no longer works I am gettin to the lvl where I am super fast so tried it today EWW can only use sneak with drums and it puts you at the same speed as without drums and without sneak.. Sorry for the misinformation! SOW pot's FTW

[Hmend]

For anyone interested I taught hmotzart everything he knows through hard work, and discipline. Clerics are the one class that can outswarm a bard. For any questions on cleric swarming hit me up.

[Hmotzart]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmend is the master of the swarm rezzing. OMG the way he rezzes 20 bodies at a time IS amazing! 3cheers for HMEND!

[khanable]

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copied this (along with several other pieces of information from this thread) to a text file -- great stuff!

Working my way up solo at the moment. Haven't attempted to kite yet (just made level 12 last night, heading towards the freeport area to give it a shot now).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6RWE6iEodP0/TYpU3wkPHzI/AAAAAAAABTU/2M4HO_SY0ic/s400/Aww-Yeah-meme.png

[Dr4z3r]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]SOW pot's FTW

OH. MY. FUCK.

I never thought of that! :D

[machin576]

Hey bard brethren, we still need our own forums.
P.S. Does anyone have any extra lambent pieces they would sell me/would anyone be willing to help me get my chest, gloves, and greaves? I have all the pieces from lguk. let me know through PM, thanks.

[Lazortag]

Hey bard brethren, we still need our own forums.
P.S. Does anyone have any extra lambent pieces they would sell me/would anyone be willing to help me get my chest, gloves, and greaves? I have all the pieces from lguk. let me know through PM, thanks.

Send me a tell when you see me online, I still have some quest pieces in the bank (I'm pretty sure I have all of the pieces for the bracer even though I don't need another one).

[Hmotzart]

Hey bard brethren, we still need our own forums.

I made a usergroup if that works?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/group.php?groupid=12

[Lazortag]

Here's a new one in Burning Wood. I was level 57 so a bunch of light blues made their way into the flock, but the exp was still pretty decent. There were about 30-40 mobs total:

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5302/nextlevelkitingmaneuver.png

You can see Slixin Klex in the screenshot too. I aggroed him not knowing how much HP he had so I had to finish him off seperately at the end.

[Hmotzart]

Rocking brother!! yeh Im havin a hardtime IN bw @48. It is killer exp but by the time i kill the yellow and red bee'z all my dark blue bee's bods have poofed and I miss out on loot hehe.. Here is the end of one with the bods that were left.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3977/eq000118.png

[blingeorkl]

with the bees i've been running them away after i kill the first batch that has less hps then looting and gathering more bees and such

[pargalı]

super job. success in studies. Thank you for sharing.

[Lazortag]

Here's another one in BW:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5302/nextlevelkitingmaneuver.png

This got me 1.25 blues in level 58. Not bad for one kite.

[john_savage1982]

Good SSs, but come on, compared to the OT packs - it's weak. WTB 50+ kunark zone with all non-casting, non-summoning, small size, below lvl 50 mobs.

[Pescador]

And then one misstep insta-kills you since the mobs in BW hit for 140 :P

[Nevron]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/218/wikovsbardtrain.jpg

.. and then the mob goes after whoever else the train went by before the bard died.

[Lazortag]

Good SSs, but come on, compared to the OT packs - it's weak. WTB 50+ kunark zone with all non-casting, non-summoning, small size, below lvl 50 mobs.

Well, most OT swarms I PL people off of contain about 40-60 mobs (others probably do more because they have stronger computers that don't crash as easily, and plus they swarm rhinos, which I avoid completely). The swarms from BW in my last screenshots contained about 30-40 mobs each, and I pretty much pulled every dark blue in the zone that wasn't a sarnak, a giant, or a wurm, in addition to some light blues. So yeah, it would be nice if there was a 50+ zone for AE kiting (especially since at 59, lots of this stuff goes light blue, but we get a new PBAE I think, so it kinda goes to waste), but I'm not complaining.

[Kraftwerk]

So does the lvl 18 dot have a larger range than the lvl 2 dot. Because I am having a hell of a time dotting the mobs I kite. Spent like 30 minutes today practicing and couldn't get a "winces" message at all even though I did everything Hmotzart was advising. I had the target circle in my lower right hand of the screen and yet it still wasn't hitting the mobs. Does anyone have any advice?

[nalkin]

So does the lvl 18 dot have a larger range than the lvl 2 dot.... Does anyone have any advice?

Yes it does. In fact when I have like 25 mobs and its very laggy and getting stunned once could insta-kill me I only use the level 18 dot until some mobs have died. You really have to be spot on to get that dot to stick, and it is tricky, so my advice is less mobs = less lag = more confidence.

I don't use Hmozarts method, I use the ol' mash turn key method. Using that method I have to spiral a little closer to get level 2 dot to stick, meaning pushing the key in for a little longer and making a tighter turn a second before the dot finishes singing.

[Kraftwerk]

Okay great, I'm lvl 14 now so only a few to go until I can use the new dot and really let loose kiting

[blingeorkl]

if you're having trouble with lag when you dot you can try turning down (or off) your spell particle effects in the display menu. this seemed to help me quite a bit.

[Lazortag]

I just noticed that this is currently the most viewed and most responded-to thread in the screenshots forum, not that that has any significance, but I thought it was cool.

As for lag, turning Sky off helps too.

[john_savage1982]

Must take a while to gather all those mobs in BW considering if you run too far ahead of the pack then you risk a caster pathing in front of the crowd. Having tried AoE kiting in BW, I can say that it's doable but requires more care than in OT...where I basically could run anywhere and aggro all the sabertooths and cactus and peacocks that I wanted. This extra care in BW diminishes the effectiveness of the AoE technique considerably.

[Pescador]

just don't pull sarnaks and you'll never get a caster add unless you directly aggro it. Half the non-casting sarnaks are sowed anyways so they aren't worth pulling.

[terazi-55]

thanks

[Widan]

Hey I just attempted this at level 2 in the freeport newbie area. What I've found is using the hold click and strafe method I can safely apply my dot and never get hit. My question is, is selo's necessary later on for mobs with larger hit boxes than bats/beetles? I obviously don't have selo's at level 2, but I'm not having any issues getting hit.

[karakedix1]

Waiting for new jobs. come easy. thanks

[falkun]

Hey I just attempted this at level 2 in the freeport newbie area. What I've found is using the hold click and strafe method I can safely apply my dot and never get hit. My question is, is selo's necessary later on for mobs with larger hit boxes than bats/beetles? I obviously don't have selo's at level 2, but I'm not having any issues getting hit.

That's incredibly impressive. Selo's is not so important for things that have larger hitboxes, you just don't kite those things. For instance, giants will always be able to hit you whenever you are in range for chords/denons, so they are not used as AE kite mobs. Selo's does allow you to be slightly farther away from the pack though, and I personally wouldn't kite without selos.

EDIT:
Another example are the different mobs in OT. Rhinos move at a different speed than unSoWed Sarnaks, succulents (cacti), cockatrices, and tigers. Here you will probably need selos to avoid getting hit by rhinos, but its also advisable to kite either rhinos only, or everything else and exclude rhinos (it's also common practice to exclude sarnaks).

[Kraftwerk]

Falkun, I just wanted to say I appreciate your input and advice. On numerous threads you've always provided useful commentary to myself and others, thanks and keep it up.

[Tah]

Hey I just attempted this at level 2 in the freeport newbie area. What I've found is using the hold click and strafe method I can safely apply my dot and never get hit. My question is, is selo's necessary later on for mobs with larger hit boxes than bats/beetles? I obviously don't have selo's at level 2, but I'm not having any issues getting hit.

I think the important thing is to take each mob out and figure out your comfort level and their hitbox range. For instance, if you kite out in North Ro, you'll find that those dune tarantulas have a larger hitbox than sand scarabs - or so it seemed to me. Doable, but you need to be pretty careful. But as falkun says, you simply don't kite giants and things with huge hitboxes. Those bad boys hit hard, and will rip you up a new one.

Good news is that most things out in EC are kite-able with the level 2 DoT. I was raking in everything that was dark blue to me. It'll require some practice with circling, swooping in, and applying your level 2 DoT though. Prepare to hit the floor a lot as a bard, or so I've found out playing one to 27 so far. :p

[jerus]

I just learned how to do this again (been years). Wondering what you all use to pull the mobs, as bellow has a small range. Also Where did you all do it between like 18-30? Thanks

[Mcbard]

Between 18-30 I did EK and to a much lesser extent SK.

I usually pull mobs via agro, but I have used dispells/nukes before.

[jerus]

Was doing EK, did like 20 mobs np, then did like 25 np, then did 30 and boom disconnected and dead =/. What mobs did you pull? So far i am pulling the wolves and the snakes not sure about the rest so i havent' touched them.

[Tah]

I did FoB from 15 - 20, personally. You literally run around NE of Kurns and the mobs will come to you. Most of them have similar hitboxes and run speeds. It's heaven. I probably leveled every 45 minutes or so.

[Mcbard]

Was doing EK, did like 20 mobs np, then did like 25 np, then did 30 and boom disconnected and dead =/. What mobs did you pull? So far i am pulling the wolves and the snakes not sure about the rest so i havent' touched them.

I did Gorge Hounds and Crag Spiders.

[jerus]

I did Gorge Hounds and Crag Spiders.

Yeah so far I've found lions seem to have a larger range than the spiders, who have more than griffins, who have more than wolves, so wolves are easiest, griffins just as easy crags have to be a bit better about it, then lions are just a pain. Snakes are fine too but they green out fast.

[Nokio]

• L1-18ish: Field of Bone, great zone.

• L7ish: The bandit sister camp in GFay (location #3)

• L10-12ish: The orcs in LFay (locations #6 & 11)

• L9-15ish: Willowisps in NK, WC, or possibly Kerra Isle in Erudin’s crossing. Beware, Kerra does not have many flat surfaces and there is no zone lines if you need to reset, so probably not a good idea.

• L13-15ish: The Derv and orc camps in SRo or NRo, lulling the casters and taking them out solo afterward. I usually also went in the desert and grabbed some extra roaming undead/dervs. (locations #3, 5, 6, & 10; although more locations in the southern portion are orc camps. I just found those listed to have fewer/no casters.)

• L14-18: Field of Bone. Good spot North East of Kurn’s and a plethora of mobs to kite.

• L16-19ish: LOIO fields. (I did 17 off the skellies/lower level sarnaks between locations #4, 5, 7 & 9. I did 16-20 off the non-caster wanderers between locations #9 and 13)

• L18-30+: South Karana – Anything and everything. Beware of non-bard classes and their curious philosophy called “Camps”.

• L17-24ish????: Gorge hounds, undead gnolls, all kinds of delightful mobs. I need someone to add some input on this zone, since I have never kited it.

• L20-26: Iksar outcast camps in WW and the lower level field portion of OT. (WW locations #B, 9, 10, 11 and OT field between locations #5, 6, 9, 10). OT is off-the-charts exp at this level range. If you can gather up the whole area, you are looking at ~45min/level during this range.

• 26-28The EXP really started to slow down in OT, so I headed back to WW and continued on the iksar outcast camps there. Was slower, but I didn't have to spend half my kite gathering up LB mobs.

• 29-30: I am doing this portion on the Drolvargs in FV. I have to admit, this range is by far the most dangerous I've done so far. The drolvargs are larger than most MOBs I've kited so far, and therefore have a larger hitbox, while I still have to be within 35 measurement units to hit them with my 18 dot. I have really perfected my distance/selo's speed, while also dieing much more than I would have liked in this level range. I gather up yellow/blue drolvargs while avoiding froglocks (especially casters) and other red dogs. It's actually not that hard to do. On this map of FV, I gather drolvargs from the area surrounded by points #3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and A on the map, and then I take them back towards the NorthEastern Swamp of No Hope zone line as there are no wanderers back there. I'd recommend only pulling a few until you perfect your skills, as I have gotten stunned and 1-rounded (or even not stunned and one-rounded) more often than I'd like to admit. These dogs can take me to probably 35 or so, but I think I may try to find some MOBs to kite that aren't quite so deadly. The good news is I can sell/bank without zoning.

• 31-40: I went back to OT and started kiting the Western/Southern areas of the zone. Basically any blue-red mob (besides dragoons) between the Outpost, SF, FM, the center valley and location #10 on this map of Overthere is fair game. I do recommend you pull only cockatrices, tigers, and cacti. They all move at the same speed. Rhinos move faster, but selos is much faster and a rhino-only kite would certainly work. Some Sarnaks cast, and I'm moving way too fast to check names to see if I'm about to pull a caster or not. This post shows some kites where I had probably 50+ mobs in my kite (figuring 1-2%/kill, and I know I made 100% of a level for each of those 2 kites). You can make some pretty awesome pulls. I've pulled so many that the dot spam insta-crashed EQ to desktop (creating a crappy CR).

• 40-46ish???: Dreadlands, drovlargs. Hopefully Hmo will come give some inputs on which walls of Karnors he used, etc, etc.

• 46-52ish: Spectres in Feerott or Oasis

Kind of stumped after this. I did all my kiting in Velious on live after level 30, so not the best source for this information.

Also, does anyone have any information on TD, I remember being there on live, doing Aviaks or raptors maybe? I cannot remember what level they are.

This list is in no way exhaustive, so feel free to add to it and repost it.

Hi all,

I just want to add that i did level 10 to 13 in WC killing everything BUT kodiak and ghoul as they con red. At 13 I moved to Sro and made it to level 14 in 2 ae kite. Both WC and Sro are like paradise. I have to admit that i did not try ae kiting in other zone of that level BUT.... you get my point.

Perhaps we could start a page on the wiki about zone to ae kite and at which level to do so?

[ByronosaurusRex]

CoM Floor 1 is amazing xp from 50-57ish. You have to tone down pulls b/c the space you have to safely round your mobs up is obviously less than in a true outdoor zone. 10-20 at a time is best. But the xp is retarted, it's like AE group xp....solo. You don't know how bad I wanna pull a reaver train and kite it down. :)

[Lazortag]

http://imageshack.us/m/804/1332/14raptors.png

This was the best screenshot I could get because their corpses poof so quickly, but yeah, in this kite I had both raptor islands.

[Eyeke]

Bards, NO WAY why would you think such things?
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/168/eq000093.png

BEST SCREENSHOT EVER

I'd really like some help learning how to do this if someone has time. I can Bard with the best of them in a group but I'm a noob at kiting.

someone PM me or find me in game and walk me through this please. I can't get the running in circles thing right. i always turn to sharp.

[Holey]

BEST SCREENSHOT EVER

I'd really like some help learning how to do this if someone has time. I can Bard with the best of them in a group but I'm a noob at kiting.

someone PM me or find me in game and walk me through this please. I can't get the running in circles thing right. i always turn to sharp.

up arrow + mouse = bard kiting

[nalkin]

pre-kite:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6858/eq000356.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/eq000356.png/)

post kite:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5743/eq000357.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/eq000357.png/)

Oh and this was after the 100% xp bonus.

[falkun]

Well Nalkin, either you didn't pull enough mobs, or OT starts tapering off around 46. I believe moreso in the latter, which is one of many reasons why I've hung up my AE kiting hat for a while.

[Lazortag]

up arrow + mouse = bard kiting

Not really.

[ByronosaurusRex]

Yeah I keysteer like Giegue does. Mouse steering gets me killed. The ONLY thing I use my mouse for while aoe kiting is switching instruments. If you time your taps right you can key steer fine. There's actually a bit of a rythm to it, go figure!

[Eyeke]

up arrow + mouse = bard kiting

doesn't help me and I've got no PMs
meanwhile I lost all the xp i make when I do get groups (rare) trying to learn how to do this. I've redinged 15 twelve times now.

[Pescador]

practice on one mob at a time... then once you have it down flawlessly, you can add in more mobs.

[Dr4z3r]

up arrow + mouse = bard kiting

Pro-tip: NumLock is your friend.

[jerus]

doesn't help me and I've got no PMs
meanwhile I lost all the xp i make when I do get groups (rare) trying to learn how to do this. I've redinged 15 twelve times now.

Honestly I'd wait till 18 as denon's is much better range. Learn with that get use to it's range then start working on closing ti down a little bit for dissonance.

I numlock then tap my left key turning. Really it's more of pulling my finger off it shortly than pushing it in as i spend more time with it down than up.

Also I use SoW to kite not selo's, with selos I will do denon's, selos, chords, selos, with sow I can just do denon's, chords and rotate em to make sure all mobs have it on them at all times, makes the kites much faster and can also slip in regen if i need to if I get hit. A

lso when practicing use 1 mob, when comfortable go to 2, then 3. That's what I did when relearning it last week did 1 gorge hound, then 2, then 3, then pulled 25 mobs lol. Started may 5th and up to 39 now =).

[Nokio]

I did level 7 to 8 on the bandit sister camp in GFay (location #3). It was a long process but having only 3 mob made it easier to learn. And since your under level 8 its longer to kill because you cant use a lute. BUT it was a great way to learn. level 8-10 i was in lfay on the 2 orc camp doing 10mob per kiting. Again it gave me the chance to learn more due to the fact that there is more mob to take care of. At level 10 is when i went crazy. In WC when there is no one I was pulling everything BUT ghoul and kodiak. I was kiting about 40 mob at a time. I did level 10-13 there.

At that point i was REALLY comfortable.

At level 15 i went to FoB and worked around Kurn Tower. Go there try on a single mob or more. Learn there. Once you get the feel of it you will do half a level per kiting. I left FoB at level 19 but is good till 20. I will go try LOIO.

[jerus]

up to 24/25 is great in overthere on the western side. Then to south karana till like 30 on aviak/centaur, then back to Overthere is what i did to 39 will probably stay around there till like 45ish, then I don't know.

[packmule]

am I the only bard who only does like 5-6 at a time so if I get hit I dont instadie?

[ByronosaurusRex]

YES! :P

[ByronosaurusRex]

BTW the tags on this post are awesome.

Personal favorite is "young sowed sarnaks" :)

[jerus]

am I the only bard who only does like 5-6 at a time so if I get hit I dont instadie?

I did that from 28-30ish in OT as otherwise kites took so long i would always screw up and die, this way i could screw up once in my 15 min kite and be ok. Eventually i got good and less resists for faster kite but was able to do the 50+% pulls every pull going through the 30s

[machin576]

I have been doing 6 to 10 lately because of my internet's lag. If I do more than that, it takes forever because I have to spend too much time running and healing.

Also, I just came over to SK at level 20 to try it out. Is there a certain area that you guys prefer? Should I watch killing certain creatures to keep my faction okay for selling?

Also, I am looking at trying OT soon. Where do you guys bind whenever you are there?

Thanks
Tewaz

[Nokio]

I just hit level 20 yesterday and i went to OT to try it out. It take about 10 minutes to gather a pack of +-20mob. And then 5 minutes to kill them all! and it gives at level 20-21 about 30% exp per pull.

For some reason my game crash random. During a kite it means death which sucks. I would be 1 level and a half EASY higher if the game did not crash.

I heard you can get a bind in OT at the beach up north.

At 22 i would be tempted to actualy go try SK until level 30. What do you all think? would it be faster? Are there more mob to kill at once?

i did level 15-20 in FoB and the exp was just crazy. In 3 minutes I could gather about 40-50mob and kill them in 5 minutes for 50% of my level exp. I did level 15-20 in 10 FoB kiting.

[Pembroke]

Great posts but I have a lot to learn about kiting, and perhaps that it's only because I'm 19, but I have little luck and end up getting hit more than anything.

[ByronosaurusRex]

@Nokio

Try turning spell particles fully off. Also turn your sky off, helps a lot. You won't crash as much. You WILL crash though, its unavoidable unless you have a super nice machine.

[jerus]

Aye spell particles off and filter DoT damage to hide. Try to make those dots landing the least troublesome on your computer.

As for OT at 20, I think I did EK till like 20/21, went to OT to 24 where it slowed down, then headed off to SK till 28, in retrospect I should have stayed there till like 31/32 probably.

In OT I only do cactus/birds, I avoid the others as they have larger hit ranges, tigers/rhinos I have trouble getting CoD on them so if I pick them up i am careful and just put denons on them. This goes for all time I spent in OT.

In SK I did the whole aviak thing at once. Also there is a centaur village. I did this to 28 but I'd probably go to 30 if I did again as OT was long/hard at 28. No faction hits from either also, so you can sell right to their merchants after slaughtering the whole crew. Note to watch out for the one hut with named in it at the centaur village as he runs faster. I was actually able to toss quillimane into one of my AE kites there and it died faster than the centaur lol.


At 30ish you can go back to OT and pull all the cactus/birds you see and kill em down, I usually kited just south of the static spawn sarnak south of SF ramp. This got me to 44 usually yielding from 15-50% a pull.

Up to 49.5 now and think I have it mapped out to 55, where I guess I will have to figure out BW from the sounds of it

[ByronosaurusRex]

Yeah BW is your next stop. You wanna pull bees, gorillas, and skeletons. Also be very careful with the gorillas. I always turn around and tab through my swarm otw back to my kiting spot to make sure there's no Gullerbacks in there. Nothing sucks more than having a kite halfway dead to get summoned on top of it and insta-die.

[Kraftwerk]

I think I'm getting the hang of this. Mine only had 33 mobs though, a paltry sum.

Pre-pull:
http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i365/Tskinner615/EQ000047.jpg

Post-pull
http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i365/Tskinner615/EQ000048.jpg

[falkun]

Good deal Krafterk. How badly are you feeling the DoT nerf? I stopped AE kiting at 46, but I've chanted down a few named outdoor mobs lately, and all it does is create a longer kite, but not really any other harm.

[machin576]

I finally ran a line to my router last night and tried kiting without a wireless connection. It was BRILLIANT. If anyone is having lag problems and is on a wireless connection, that could very well be your issue. In other news, all the mages in SK hate me now.

[Kraftwerk]

Falkun, it's strange I logged on fully expecting to spend an extra min or two on dot portion of kites, but to my surprise my lvl 2 and 18 dots are still ticking for full damage. Has anyone else seen this? Lets keep it under wraps if so.

[machin576]

Shhhh Kraft

[machin576]

Quick question. Are SS boots summon water or the levitate? Let me know so I can camp Quillmane or not.

[ByronosaurusRex]

SS boots have been changed to water. They will eventually be changed back to group levi. However, being as that levi has a 3 mins and change duration and the peggy cloak is 11 min, I'd say do Quillmane.

[machin576]

Is the cloak instant cast like the boots? And thanks for the reply Bandersnacht.

[machin576]

Hey Kraft, what level are you in that picture?

[Pescador]

Neither SS boots (when changed) nor pegasus cloak are instant cast.

[Kraftwerk]

I was lvl 21 I think, up to lvl 23 now and breezing along.

[machin576]

Ah nice Kraft. Also, Pescador are the boots a song that you can cast on the run?

[falkun]

If I remember correctly, bards can cast anything while moving. I'll check tonight, but I'm pretty sure I can even click my DE mask while running and have it successfully cast. One bonus to being a bard, and IMO can be pretty OP.

[Savok]

Correct, all clickies and songs can be cast on the run if you are a bard.

[Pringles]

Quick question. Are SS boots summon water or the levitate? Let me know so I can camp Quillmane or not.

Didnt affect bards songs or fear on live IIRC.

[Tewaz]

Grats on 50 Falkun. I t hink I am going to try to do some xfire video streaming of bard aoe kiting tonight.

[Hmotzart]

Seems like Bard life is going well on the server!!!!!


Well I moved from NE to WA and life is settling down a bit..
I will have some space of my own soon and will have some playtime again!

So I will be back to my ole trix. I will pump out some vids of swarms soon..

[Lazortag]

Seems like Bard life is going well on the server!!!!!


Well I moved from NE to WA and life is settling down a bit..
I will have some space of my own soon and will have some playtime again!

So I will be back to my ole trix. I will pump out some vids of swarms soon..

I can't wait.

[maestrom]

Seems like Bard life is going well on the server!!!!!


Well I moved from NE to WA and life is settling down a bit..
I will have some space of my own soon and will have some playtime again!

So I will be back to my ole trix. I will pump out some vids of swarms soon..

I played a Bard on live for years. I raided and swarmed and made the crazy-bards-only PoM run (with aary up). Last week for the first time ever in my barding career I pulled off a successful AE kite thanks in part to your guide.

/salute

[maestrom]

36 Mobs in SK. Dinged on the 35th.

[Tewaz]

Nice Maestrom.

[genkral74]

something very super

[Kraftwerk]

Ahh Maestrom, so you're Cutco =P I've seen you and your corpses floating around SK hehe. Aviaks are starting to get a bit too green for me, just pushing hard for lvl 30 before I move to more blue (and light blue) pastures.

(I'm Tuneyards btw)

[maestrom]

Don't tell anyone! if I could ever find gnolls uncamped I would have no problem staying in SK till low 30's. I really don't like OT, maybe it'll be better though after 30. Is there any place to bind close to OT or are us bards stuck in FV? The worst part of dying is having to run back :P


As for the corpses.... If you don't die a few times you aren't taking big enough risks :)

[Hmotzart]

Don't tell anyone! if I could ever find gnolls uncamped I would have no problem staying in SK till low 30's. I really don't like OT, maybe it'll be better though after 30. Is there any place to bind close to OT or are us bards stuck in FV? The worst part of dying is having to run back :P


As for the corpses.... If you don't die a few times you aren't taking big enough risks :)
Test your faction with the outpost in OT with your DE mask up. U can bank there if u haven't ruined your faction yet. Also you can bind right outside the wall of the outpost by the water. just remember to not rush into the outpost without your de mask up.

[sexywom41]

dread girl

[falkun]

Test your faction with the outpost in OT with your DE mask up. U can bank there if u haven't ruined your faction yet. Also you can bind right outside the wall of the outpost by the water. just remember to not rush into the outpost without your de mask up.

HE DOES EXIST. Please tell me you've considered picking up the lute again...

[maestrom]

Test your faction with the outpost in OT with your DE mask up.

I need to get one of those hehe...

[jerus]

Centaur seemed a lil better than aviak for me 27+, seemed to get more higher level centaur than aviak. I would suggest staying till 30 though at least, if you can manage 32. I went to OT at 28 and it was a pain to get things to land so super long kites and with longer kites more chance for error causing even longer kites and sometimes deaths. You can bind right up from the water on the outside of the outpost wall. OT is golden up to 44 and really the peak of bard swarming imo. Plenty of mobs and it goes fast. I dodged all sabretooths/rhinos/sarnak as their hit range seemed to be much higher than cockatrice/cactus although they were doable it just seemed like unneeded risk when you already have 30+ cockatrice/cactus and are getting 50%+ a kite.

Can't wait to see some videos, was never able to get fraps to work really myself =/

[Tewaz]

I need to get one of those hehe...

Ditto

I came to OT at 29, and it has been nasty. For some reason, I am a little bit laggy there and have gotten popped a few times. I am going to come back to SK and go at it until it all greens and/or I get my frickin Quillmane cloak.

Also, bard brethren, we need to have a "Who kited the biggest" Contest. I pulled 50+ mobs in SK one night at 3 am when there was only me and one other character in the zone. The problem with SK, is it is limited on the number of spawns, and it takes like 20 minutes to grab them all. I want to see someone go for the gold with all the mobs in OT.

[falkun]

I need to get one of those hehe...

I soloed mine at 47.

My method:

Take Upper Guk (http://www.eqmacwiki.com/eqatlas/uppergukmap.html) to location #4: zone to LGuk Live Side.
In LGuk live side, invis song to Dead Side in NE corner of live LGuk map (http://www.eqmacwiki.com/eqatlas/lguklivemap.html).
You will arrive in LGuk dead side (http://www.eqmacwiki.com/eqatlas/lgukdeadmap.html) at location #12, the gargoyles.
Either lull passed the gargoyles or kill them. Clear the area by DoT tanking (lute/hymn, drum/slow+3dots -- 5 song twist). Lull to ensure you are only pulling 1 garg at a time. Killing them is safer and a piece for the lambent BP will probably drop if you don't have that already.
Head east out on the bridge. Lull any blue/LB frogs on the Ritualist ledge (location #13 on dead LGuk map). Be careful of the 2 frogs guarding the north side of the bridge, you might consider lulling them as well.
Turn south at the fork in the bridge towards Ass/Sup room (location #14).
In the tunnel area between the bridge and the ladder up to ass/sup, kill any frogs there via the DoT tanking mentioned above.
Use neat camera tricks to work a camera view up into Ass/Sup without you getting into LOS for aggro. Lull the frogs and pull down the left spawn. DoT tank it in the hallway you just cleared.
Repeat the lull/pull with the back, and then the right spawn.
Just south of the ladder to ass/sup, there is a small alcove. This alcove is 100% safe to sit/regen/camp in.
The respawn time is 28min. If you get bored/want a bit of exp, go downstairs from the ass/sup by taking the ramp to Lvl2 on the dead LGuk map. Down there, find a single spawn/patrol and DoT tank it in a safe location.


For the camp, I would keep the hallway south of the bridge cleared and then kite (yes kite without selos, you are snaring, right?) the ass/sup room mobs down there. You will get hit less and there is only 1 pat there for you to take care of. I believe its 5 mobs: 1 static in the hallway, 1 patrol in the hallway, left-ass (always trash), back-ass (supplier or PH), and right-ass (assassin or PH).

My song line-up for DoT tanking was:

Invis
Hymn
DoT1
DoT2
DoT3
Slow/Snare
Lull/pacify
Mez


Also, hide/sneak work down here, so practice those if you haven't been already. It's nice to know I'm invis to undead when I go afk during this camp.

[Tewaz]

I am pumped to try this Falkun. Thanks for the guide. I would publish it to the wiki, but I have no idea how to.

Go Go Bard Forum!

[Tewaz]

And you had invis song memmed...are all the frogs around the ass/sup room undead?

[falkun]

I used invis song for the LGuk live side. I think I swapped it out for charm song when I was sitting at camp, but if you do it right and pull with lull, you shouldn't need charm.

[falkun]

I am pumped to try this Falkun. Thanks for the guide. I would publish it to the wiki, but I have no idea how to.

Go Go Bard Forum!

I don't think its worth publishing to the wiki. Its a real niche task. The hardest part was figuring out how to get to ass/sup camp around that damned bedroom area with the live bats, undead frogs, and the darkbone skellies. Once I figured out how to get to ass/sup via the live side (which skips that whole "live/dead in the same area" debacle), it was really easy. The DoT tanking is my standard dungeon solo method. I know a few bards that use charm to great effect, but I'm not one of them. I still have a lot of practice to do in that department.

[Tewaz]

Okay, I was wondering why no charm up. Thanks for the info dude, your wisdom is very appreciated here.

[Tewaz]

I just hit 40 last night, able to do two levels every hour if I am the only bard in OT. I was thinking about trying City of Mist. I remember some bard posted that they were aoe kiting in there and I was wondering if any of you pros have tried that. It could be really fun I think. I am going to try it later tonight. Hit me up if you want to go check it out also.

Tewaz

[Tewaz]

Has anyone tried Emerald Jungle? It seems like it could be the next OT, I will let you guys know.

[Kraftwerk]

Just a heads up fellow Bards, we're not all saints so it seems and I wanted to let you guys know about a Bard I met today who was nothing but rude to me and the zone I was in. As we all know Overthere is Bard heaven, but we have to be considerate as well, I personally take anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes gathering, then 5-8 minutes killing my kite. I start, and 30 min later my kite is dead. I rarely hear any chatter in ooc about mob disruption and things generally go smoothly. Today I logged into OT with plans to do a kite or two depending on who was online (I have a few OT regulars I like to invite to group and help lvl from my kites).

Anyways, I noticed a bard named Hellic was running around with a sizeable kite, this was around 7:10 PM so he had probably started at 6:50-6:55 gathering. I started collecting and was running around near the pillars in front of SF and saw Hellic still running around with his pack, this was at ~7:25. He was running towards mobs getting prox/social agro using his pack. I noted this and kept gathering what I could. By about 7:30 I was heading to my spot (on the north shore just east of Outpost), I got there and noticed he was there just starting to kill his kite. It was at this point that OOC began to get rowdy and people were complaining that a bard had killed their group was deprived of mobs for the past few hours, etc.

I remembered that Hellic had spent quite a long time (maybe 40min) before he had started killing his pack and used social agro instead of a chant on some of his mobs. I then saw Hellic's corpse nearby and saw that he had died recently so I figured maybe he was relatively new to kiting and needed a few pointers. During my lvling up and expanding of my AE kiting knowledge I've had bards ask me for advice and I've offered it to others. I've only ever encountered polite and nice Bards - Jonahlee, Tewaz, Brezner, Cutco, Lightspeed, Zalgyr, the list goes on and on and I couldn't possibly name them all. Hellic rubbed me the wrong way, I don't appreciate his disdain for the rest of people in Overthere, or his responses to me after approaching him with advice. Read below, and stear CLEAR of HELLIC:

What I said first:

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i365/Tskinner615/Hellic1.jpg

His response:

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i365/Tskinner615/Hellic2.jpg

I apologize for sullying this good thread with these non-kite pictures, but I wanted to be sure others knew about this.

[naekko]

Let me get this straight, you accused him of training and he got angry at you and denied it? And apparently you had some issue with him previously where you kited near him? Did you see him train this group?

Thanks for the screenshots.

[Kraftwerk]

Let me get this straight, you accused him of training and he got angry at you and denied it? And apparently you had some issue with him previously where you kited near him? Did you see him train this group?

Thanks for the screenshots.

As shown above, I said "I suspect your prox agro was what caused that group's death". I never said "You trained them". If I did something that may have caused a train, I would certainly want someone to bring it to my attention right away and would appreciate their having let me know.

During the time we were both online (Between 7PM and 8PM) I had gathered my kite and brought it to my normal area, the north shore east of Outpost like I'd been doing since lvl 32. I saw him at this same location, it is a very popular spot for Bards to kite since it close to our bind point. I moved away from him, approximately 100-200 ft closer to Outpost so as our kites would not interfere. They didn't and I was able to kite without any extra lag, so I assume he was able to as well.

The point isn't that I was accusing him of training, which I was not. I had merely been pointing out that OOC was stirring with Bard hate and we need to be considerate. What I wanted to bring attention to was someone's first response to a stranger being his cursing and rudeness. Everytime someone has brought something to my attention or given me advice I don't respond the way he did. I take it into consideration and thank them for their time. If they feel I slighted them, I even apologize. His behavior is what I have a problem with, I found it unsuitable for representing Bards as a whole.

I'd be glad to answer any other questions about the event as well :)

PS - Those screenshots above are the very first and only time I have ever contacted him, I had no prior run ins.

[naekko]

I've seen Hellic in OT a few times and he uses chants to pull (I've mistakenly chanted on his mobs to pull and they've stuck). I've spoken to him on my bard and have never had issues with him. Reading the screenshots as a neutral party, you did accuse him of training in your opening tells. I'm not sure how you can see that as anything but accusing. Coming from that standpoint I can see how he'd be defensive especially if you'd had run ins in the past.

I'm done with this offtopic though, I have no issues with Hellic.

[Tewaz]

^^Hellic

[Pescador]

If another bard is kiting in "your" spot you shouldn't kite anywhere close to him. I can see why he is annoyed. TBH I'd be annoyed too if someone sent me tells the way you did, where your first two tells suggest he's been training a group, then give him unsolicited advice.

[Mcbard]

I seem to recall a similar incident with your mage Kraft in which you accused me of stealing a mob from you in /ooc and when I reacted by saying that I had no clue what you were talking about and let you know that I didn't appreciate what you had said you began to argue with me and later reported me over it because you didn't want to argue with me about it, and you turned out being wrong.

In regards to this situation you've accused the guy of training and I think I would be a little upset with you too. Perhaps you need to work on how you handle these situations and not belittle/lecture people in such channels. Not sure how it was any of your business what this guy was doing anyway as it should have been between the group he theoretically, accidently, trained and himself. I'd be pretty pissed at you too. Might want to work on that.

Edit: Also I've seen Hellic around and he seems like a nice guy. :)

[Lazortag]

Kraftwerk was civil the entire time, and even if his first tell could be interpreted as an accusation of training, that doesn't give Hellic a license to be rude. It's clear that Kraft was trying to help him, his intention wasn't to be a dick, so I don't see what prevented Hellic from responding politely and saying "sorry, I don't pull using prox aggro, you might be mistaken". Instead the first thing he says to him is "I suspect you might be an idiot". Why is anyone defending this?

Mctard, your experience with Kraft isn't relevant to this thread or this argument at all. Take it to RnF if you want, just keep that shit out of my thread (unless it's somehow aoe kiting related).

I don't feel any more of a need to defend Kraft since he did a perfectly fine job of that in his last post, which everyone seems to have ignored. Great reading comprehension guys!

[Tewaz]

All of my interactions with Tuneyards/Kraftwerk have been awesome in game. He just wants to help people out so he offers advice. If you have an attitude of wanting to improve your gameplay then his tells are awesome.
If you think you know it all and screw everybody else, then you might have a reaction like this gentleman did.
/shrug
That guy might also have been frustrated because he just died and trained people and was feeling bad, but you never know.
It is sad that people can't respond to other human beings with some respect, instead flaming them and acting like complete a holes, but what can you do, its their choice.

I do still think that naekko and/or pescador is hellic.

[Tewaz]

Oh and Giegue can you tell me your AoE leveling path from 46 to 60? I know you did some burning wood and some raptors in TD but I would like to know at what levels you did them, method, etc. for a guide I am putting together. Thank you sir in advance.

[Pescador]

I'm definitely Hellic. I have a bard alt so when I get bored of leveling my bard I can log onto my alt and level my other bard.

http://imagecache.blastro.com/images/feat/Lastfm_Xzibit.jpg

[Lazortag]

Tewaz, Pescador plays a Bard as a main so I find it unlikely that he'd have a Bard as an alt :p. Pescador is a nice guy, I just disagree with him.

Oh and Giegue can you tell me your AoE leveling path from 46 to 60? I know you did some burning wood and some raptors in TD but I would like to know at what levels you did them, method, etc. for a guide I am putting together. Thank you sir in advance.

At level 46 you can still do OT. At 47 it really begins to slow down and I'd recommend going elsewhere. I don't AOE kite to get awesome experience, I just do it for fun and occasionally use it as a PLing method, so from 46 to 60 I didn't do a lot of aoe kiting. That being said you can try burning woods, there's a relatively safe spot near the sarnak fort and I'm sure some other safe spots that you can use near some of the zone lines (like the SF zoneline). I would stay away from BW after level 58, and I would stay away from Raptors entirely because we have better spots to aoe kite in and it's not really fair to the quadding classes for us to be taking their best exp spot.

Also, after I dinged 54 I stopped using regular aoe kiting methods. Instead I just used selo's assonant strane on a swarm of mobs, and dotted them down from a small distance away where they couldn't reach me. I find this is a lot easier on my fingers, and also doubles as an excellent PLing tool.

[naekko]

My bard is Torino. Level 41. Sorry I don't see your friend sending random strangers tells accusing them of training and then offering condescending advice as polite. "Hey man you pulling with proxy aggro?" and then reacting to what he says instead of accusing the dude would have probably ended in a better chat. Just some unsolicited social advice for ya.

[Leolan]

I have watched Hellic kite multiple times and there is nothing wrong with his gameplay. Everyone knows if you are pulling 50+ mobs to a swarm you are going to end up with a few by social/proxy aggro. This does not give you the right to start accusing people of starting trains, and telling them how to play. I would be pissed too if some random jackass who probably can't kite as well as Hellic sent me a tell saying "Oh you suck at pulling bro (pull with proxy aggro)?" "Here's some tips from yours truly who is obviously the superior bard, and is throwing down life lessons."
Sounds to me like you need to ditch the ego and just handle your own business. And doing your kite anywhere near another bard's kite it retarded, I mean c'mon that's Bard 101.
Hellic is a good player, and more than a nice guy, maybe you should try some approach when coming at people other than "I'm superior, this guy probably needs my advice"
my 2 cents.:eek:

[Pescador]

^
Agreed, all I'm saying is that it would annoy the crap out of me if I were just minding my own business then someone sends me a tell suggesting that I trained a group, then offering unsolicited advice as if I don't know the basics of playing my class.

Also, pictures

[falkun]

I'm definitely Hellic. I have a bard alt so when I get bored of leveling my bard I can log onto my alt and level my other bard.


Damnit, as if it won't already be hard as hell to get the damn dragon scales we got these max-ed out bards who are going to need TWO sets for their alt too. I'm never gonna see my epic.

/wrist

[Tewaz]

Man this thread got hostile quick. Lets all be friends guys. That way we can do our ALL BARD raid one day. Anywho...

Falkun brings up a point I have been wondering about. We need a white AND red dragon scale for our epic right? What other classes need these scales?

I am guessing that unless you are a bard in TR/TMO/other hardcore guild_01 you are not even going to have a shot at one of these, and they won't hit the market until 2 years after epics release. This makes me sad.

[Pescador]

Warriors need a red scale as well.

[Mcbard]

Kraftwerk was civil the entire time, and even if his first tell could be interpreted as an accusation of training, that doesn't give Hellic a license to be rude. It's clear that Kraft was trying to help him, his intention wasn't to be a dick, so I don't see what prevented Hellic from responding politely and saying "sorry, I don't pull using prox aggro, you might be mistaken". Instead the first thing he says to him is "I suspect you might be an idiot". Why is anyone defending this?

Mctard, your experience with Kraft isn't relevant to this thread or this argument at all. Take it to RnF if you want, just keep that shit out of my thread (unless it's somehow aoe kiting related).

I don't feel any more of a need to defend Kraft since he did a perfectly fine job of that in his last post, which everyone seems to have ignored. Great reading comprehension guys!

I'm sorry we disagree about how the situation at hand was handled, everyone else seems fairly split on the issue, and my own reply was not meant to be a flame but merely to mirror exactly what it was Kraftwerk had done in game by questioning the way he handled the situation out of game. You seem to be taking offense to my advice that he handle these situations better if he wished for people to not be upset with him. In this case, I feel my previous experience with him to be completely relevant as it highlights this. I hope you can see the irony in your stance on this issue.

With regards to you calling me McTard, which you have done multiple times for some reason unknown to me since I do not know you I can only assume that for some reason you have a personal issue with me, and if you wish to address it I recommend that YOU take it to the RnF forum where I will ignore it and you can berate me for whatever reasons you see fit. I have no problems whatsoever staying on topic and playing nice, I would appreciate it if you could do the same. :)

[Mcbard]

The best place to ae kite 54+ in my experience is the raptors in TD. They have a 12 minute spawn, and take about 12 minutes to round up and kill if you can get them all. At 57 they give me a little over 3% per kite so it's fairly decent exp. The problem I've had with ae kiting past 50, and in Kunark specifically, is that there is generally zero room for error. I'm just not sure it's that effective of a way to level past 55 or so.

[Tewaz]

Take luck

[Kraftwerk]

An old one I've been meaning to post sometime, it just sums up South Karana for me:

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i365/Tskinner615/EQ000049.jpg

Also I know Tewaz (Or another Bard) was mentioning largest OT kites a few posts back, I was on late last evening with a couple people in OT and we were basically the only non-AFK members in zone so I went nuts. After it was over I counted the "Your group gained experience" ticks, 111. It gets pretty frightening at that number trying to land even DDD. I have NPC names off, PC names off, hide corpses on a macro I tap whenever things die, all spell effects off, far clip plane down to 10% (I guess I could go 0%). Any other things you guys do to keep lag down?

PS - I contacted Hmo other day just inquiring about how big a kite he'd ever gotten in OT. He told me 240 haha, so now I feel like I'm just in the minor leagues compared to him.

A new one to compliment my old screenshot, this was just 5 minutes ago. A modest 99 mobs:

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i365/Tskinner615/EQ000053.jpg

[Tewaz]

Did any of you other bards choose Bristlebane as your diety? I don't know what I was thinking the night I made my bard, but he is not agnostic. I was wondering if anyone has any problems when using dark elf/ iksar illusion with Bristlebane as the diety. Let me know.

[Lazortag]

I don't think I've ever done more than ~70 mobs (I've always done about 30-40 on average). It lags like hell even at that many, not sure how you guys do it! 99 mobs is nothing to be disappointed over.

[falkun]

You can turn off DoT damage messages in your options/filters. The text spam can get you just as bad as any visual spam.

[falkun]

Falkun brings up a point I have been wondering about. We need a white AND red dragon scale for our epic right? What other classes need these scales?

Red dragon scale is split between bards and warriors for epics. White dragon scales are solely for the bard epic. There is a reason red dragon scales drop off more mobs than white dragon scales (well, 1 more mob, and that's after they release the Hole).

[falkun]

Did any of you other bards choose Bristlebane as your diety? I don't know what I was thinking the night I made my bard, but he is not agnostic. I was wondering if anyone has any problems when using dark elf/ iksar illusion with Bristlebane as the diety. Let me know.

I chose Quellious. DE mask allows me to bank in Grobb. I have not tried Ogguk, and I believe the few times I have taken firepots to Neriak I have been non-KOS (maybe dubious?) to the guards, but I didn't check out Neriak to the full extent for fear of dieing, I just made my way to the exit. I don't have an iksar mask to test Cabilis, but I know I'm KOS as a HEF.

[Tewaz]

Thanks for share Falkun

[Moonface]

When I am kiting, I will mouse drive and be kiting fine, suddenly my mouse spazzes out and cuts me directing inward towards the kite... Hmmm?

[Pringles]

Thanks for all the info in this thread and other bard threads.

I've just gotten a good start at this. I started off messing around with 1-2 mobs in GFay, then moved on to LFay. Once I ran out of orcs to kill in LFay I went to FOB. Once the Pit went green in FOB ~20 I went to OT NE corner.



My record is in the last screen shot there - 52 exp mobs (there were a handful of other non exp mobs in that kite but that doesnt count now does it :D )



P.S. The best thing ive found to reduce huge kite lag is shut off shadows. If you play with them on, shut them off before you kite - it saved me TONS of lag and I've been a lot more successful since.