Tips for a new Warrior

[serjordanmormont]

Hello all,

I've decided I want to try my hand at a warrior and am looking for guidance on a few things.

1. Race: Really only looking at Dwarf, Barbarian, and Iksar. Any issues with these races or is one a significantly better warrior than the others?

2. Taunt: I've heard that holding aggro is tough for warriors until later. Is there anything I can do about that? If I plan to tank am I better off with a paladin or SK?

3. Tank or damage: Am I limited to tanking or can warriors do decent damage?

4. Gear: Any tips on a good place to gear up? I'm told that warriors are very gear dependant so I'd like to tackle this early if possible.

Any help is much appreciated. :cool:

[jcr4990]

1: As far as I know besides Ogre being heavily favored there isn't much racial preference for warriors beyond that.

2: Warrior aggro sucks in the early levels. Even later levels you'll never have aggro on par with SK/Pal but they can't tank raid mobs like you can. Aggro starts to get better at 37? Whenever Ykesha weapons start proccing. At 60 as long as people aren't dumb about going too hard on dmg/debuffs too early you'll hold aggro fine.

3: Warriors do moderate damage. Not on a Rogue/Monk level but not bad.

4: Can't help you much there. Like any class starting out my advice is to save up for HP rings and (if melee) a decent weapon before anything else. As far as places to go to camp warrior gear while you're leveling I really don't know. Will this be your main char or do you have higher lvl chars to farm with and fund some basic EC tunnel purchases?

[Diogene]

1. All those races are fine really. Dwarf best stats for small races plus they can wear enchanted dwarven armor, which is crazy good for the price. Barb get slam which also very handy to time stunts, and Iksar regen. Enough said.

2. You will have a hard time with taunt, its not reliable. Best bet before 40 to sort of keep aggro is to get dual jade mace and a fbss, but thats expensive.

3. Warrior dps is fine with the right weapons !

4. Save every bit you can to gear up

[Arclyte]

only play a warrior if you intend to raid

or if you want to rp a warrior

[Ivory]

Gnome!!!! Then you get access to super amazing clockwork armor!!

30 dex and str buff?

40% haste buff?

Invisibility?

Sow?

Yea gnome!!!!

On top of all that, you get to be super cute. And not need shrink. And also you are a gnome.

[Samoht]

1. Race: best race is a toss up between Ogre (for naked stats and frontal stun immunity), Iksar (for regen and armor bonus), and Halfling. That's right. Halfling. Innate sneak is OP. They can also wear the dwarven cultural mentioned above. Every other race is bad for its own reasons.

2. Warrior aggro sucks while leveling. Particularly so if you're not twinked extremely well. There are a few weapons that proc at level 1: smoldering brand and venomous axe of velium brood. Obsidian daggers proc somewhere after 10. Look to dual wield skorpikus claw impalers by level 30. Grouping with a root casting class can help with aggro. Just remember to stand closer to the mob than all the rest of the melee after it's rooted.

3. DPS can be alright. A lot of warrior gear has decent str, and there are tons of cheap weapons with insane stats and ratios like wurmslayer, fist of zek, jarsath trident, and a few more that don't immediately come to mind.

4. Gear: agi over 75, AC/armor, HP (and stam up to 255), dex up to 144, and MR are most important for a warrior. Ogre, Dwarven, and Iksar cultural all have some decent pieces to help if you pick appropriate races. If you follow Rallos Zek as your diety, then you can also wear Human cultural no matter which race you picked (except Iksar). 65 HP rings and haste will help a lot, too. FBSS or sash of the dragonborn preferred. Leave SCHWs for monks and rogues. Orc fang earrings. I could go on.

[NizmerThafen]

Is a warrior your first character? If not then I suggest you use your highest level character to acquire gear / platinum to twink your warrior as much as possible. Warriors are terrible classes to play without support. Weapons are the first priority, followed closely by HP, then eventually AC.

Troll, Iksar are very good and ogre, halfling, dark elf are the next best choice. Everyone else is barely adequate.

Also, get Jboots and invis potions / item as soon as you can; you will die a lot less.

[Ivory]

I like how people complain about how other MMOs are too easy....

Then only play most classes on EQ if they are mega twinked :3 lol

[Jimjam]

Warrior isn't so hard untwinked. I've done it a few times and gearing up is good fun (whether through crafting, questing, hunting, shopping or just picking up whatever crap comes your way).

Aggro isn't a problem; make a hotkey that identifies the mob you are trying to tank and asks for it to be rooted. If it lives long enough to require softies casting high aggro spells like slow, then it lives long enough to justify rooting.

In terms of equipment a good start is a weapon with ~10Dmg and as low delay as possible. It will be quite a few levels until procs come close to pure swing hate. Spend your first few levels killing decaying skeletons (I find North Ro inns outside Freeport to be a good spot) and sell some of your bone chips to fund this purchase (around 50pp should buy you something like a green jade broadsword, with 11/25 ratio).

In the early levels you get probably enough AC to get by from what you loot. As such save up for some crafted fire wedding rings. These give a massive boost to HP (and decent AC too). These will set you back a few 100pp. Bone chips, spiderling silks, orc belts and high quality bear pelts you will find on your adventures and sell well to other players to fund this.

Don't worry too much about the quality of your off hand weapon to begin with; duel wield initially produces very few swings and won't produce a double attack for a long time. Consider a Polished Granite Tomahawk to pad your tanking, or an Obsidian Blade for an unreliable aggro proc, if you want to duel wield. Otherwise consider taking up a two handed weapon.

Soon, unless you are hunting where you can find bronze or questing your 'crafted' armour you may want to pad out your AC. A set of banded armour will do this nicely for circa 100pp.

The next thing you will want is haste. This will put you back several thousand pp for entry level. The alternatives are to try get a rotting hangman's noose in Trakanon's Teeth (probably not worth it when not doing the hunter/forager cycles) or skipping haste till 46 when you can loot a rotting war only haste belt in sky (may take a couple of raids, but it isn't very rare).

On the subject of scrounging equipment, the Scimitar of Ykesha (8/22 ykesha proc found in Kithicor forest) is a nice option for the late 30s... if /who all kith shows high levels, there is a decent chance they are doing rogue epic mobs and might help you get one. The second option, also related to rogue epic (and secondary slot only) comes from Steamfont Mountains, Trochilic's Skean (11/25 stun dot proc).

Hopefully, following this loose guide you can ensure you will have fun levelling to 50, and have a reasonable set of equipment ready to get you started on the expansion levels.

[Naethyn]

1. Race: Human looks the best. Gnomes have 40% haste click on arms.

2. Taunt sux.

3. A warrior in cripple mode with a good 2hs will out damage monks and even rogues on raids. Warriors hold aggro through dps.

4. Get a full set of the cheap hp gear you can find. HP > all.

Some other notes:
Warriors get stunning kicks at 55. This is an amazing ability because of the high cap in kick vs slam. Larger races get slam, but after 55 it should not be used anyways.
Archery is super important for initial aggro. Make sure to throw an arrow at every mob that is pulled.
Bind wound is your friend, level it.
Alcohol tolerance is awesome. Any time you lose aggro drink 5 brandies.
Carry a bag of 10 wooly spider silk nets. Root is awesome.
Put your initial points into stamina. STR, DEX are really easy to cap in velious with buffs.
Use a Jarsath Trident + Green Jade Broadsword till 40. Buy 2 yak clubs at 40. At 50 get two Blood Points and a Truncheon of Doom.
Use all of the utility weapons (snare, slow, dot)

[Samoht]

Warriors hold aggro through dps

Lol. No.

DPS classes like Rogues, Monks, Wizards, and Rangers will outdamage you and eventually pull aggro if you're simply relying on damage to hold aggro. Warriors use procs and clicks to gain and hold aggro, particularly procs with stuns (like ykesha or sarnak war hammer), slows (truncheon of doom or willsapper), snares (silken whip of ensnaring), poisons (trochlic's skeen or botbde or skorpikus claw impaler), and AC debuffs (wavecrasher) or clicks with slows, roots (wooly spider silk nets), or charms (puppet strings).

[Rararboker]

Everyone missed a huge point here. Buy crusty armor. Avoid the few pieces with huge dex reductions. It is dirt cheap, the lost dex can be made up with a few solid +dex items, and it has good stamina bonuses.

[serjordanmormont]

only play a warrior if you intend to raid

or if you want to rp a warrior

Oh really? I mostly want to group with people. I have no idea if I want to raid. Am I better off going paladin in that case?

[khanable]

Oh really? I mostly want to group with people. I have no idea if I want to raid. Am I better off going paladin in that case?

yes

[serjordanmormont]

Thanks for all the help. I really appreciate the answers. I've got a lot to think about.

[Arclyte]

If you want to tank outside of raids, go SK/paladin

Monks are also almost as durable as warriors, have a bunch of tricks, and deal more damage

[Xaanka]

Hello all,

I've decided I want to try my hand at a warrior and am looking for guidance on a few things.

1. Race: Really only looking at Dwarf, Barbarian, and Iksar. Any issues with these races or is one a significantly better warrior than the others?

2. Taunt: I've heard that holding aggro is tough for warriors until later. Is there anything I can do about that? If I plan to tank am I better off with a paladin or SK?

3. Tank or damage: Am I limited to tanking or can warriors do decent damage?

4. Gear: Any tips on a good place to gear up? I'm told that warriors are very gear dependant so I'd like to tackle this early if possible.

Any help is much appreciated. :cool:

1. race doesn't matter, pick what you think looks coolest. Iksar is the best end game but you don't get to use kunark/classic plate (relevant while leveling, meaningless when 60)
2. get some proccing weapons and as much DEX as you can. warrior aggro generation and tanking always sucks for 6 man group content. warriors are raid tanks, paladins and SK's excel at group content.
3. wars can do good DPS
4. just get banded armor, hp/ac rings, and some cheap proc weapons. don't worry about gear until 60 just level.

[Daywolf]

Gnome!!!! Then you get access to super amazing clockwork armor!!

30 dex and str buff?

40% haste buff?

Invisibility?

Sow?

Yea gnome!!!!

On top of all that, you get to be super cute. And not need shrink. And also you are a gnome.
The armor looks like a pain to make and maintain. Not too bad to make compared to other crafted/quested armor, but it's 10 charge using a battery charge. I was chasing the wiki dragon around trying to assess the time/cost req to make a class 5 battery, what do they sell for like ~100pp ea off the PoS vendor? I assume making them is not so easy.

[Ivory]

what do they sell for like ~100pp ea off the PoS vendor?

Ya :D But the str and dex buffs last for over an hour at level 21! Not shabby!!

Gnomes forever!!!

[thufir]

Yes, if you are going to be grouping with people as opposed to raiding, go sk/pal. Warriors only really pay off if you are planning on tanking end game content.

Of the two knights, shadowknight is more solo friendly. If you are going to group all the time, paladin is just fine.

[Raev]

Oh really? I mostly want to group with people. I have no idea if I want to raid. Am I better off going paladin in that case?

Cucumbers gave you the short answer; let me give you the detailed answer.

I have a 60 warrior (Sakuragi) and he's quite solid in small groups. His biggest weakness is that Raev is better! The Feverblade/Sword of the Shissar combination is very solid threat with 255 dex, and with 5400 HP/1300 AC it's not even necessary to slow most low 50s mobs. And for tougher stuff he has evasive and defensive discs; asking Team Debuff to wait 10-12 seconds before firing the tash/slow cannon on a 1-2 minute fight isn't that much of a sacrifice.

This will not be your experience leveling an untwinked warrior XP groups! You can't afford good weapons and haste, and even if you could there are no good high ratio proccing weapons until Frostbringer at 40, and if there were you'd still need dex to make them proc, which you won't have without L60 shaman buffs, and even if you had the dex the fights are so short (<30s vs 20s average to proc with max dex) that your threat would still be very inconsistent. Expect to be tanking about 50% of the time vs a Paladin's 95% of the time. Plus you don't get discs until L52!

But even more than that, if your groupmates do something stupid there is very little you can do on a warrior. Enchanter having trouble on charm breaks? The Paladin can heal him and stun his charmed pet. Monk having trouble splitting? The Paladin can calm. Too many mobs in camp? Paladins get root! Caster mobs wrecking your day? Nothing a few Paladin stuns can't handle. Shadow knights don't have quite the same toolbox, but you at least have rock solid aggro and can split reasonably well with Darkness/Eye of Zomm + FD. Now in a good group this won't be as much of a problem, but you'll be in more bad/mediocre groups than good ones on the way to 60.

I think Warriors are the best tanks in the game at 60, with the best HP, best AC, best DPS, and the best disciplines of any melee. But even then they need good gear and good support. The other 99% of the time, Paladins and Shadowknights are much less frustrating.

[Jimjam]

Also, have you considered ranger?

[mropey]

PM me if you still have questions and want to avoid forum fodder.

[odiecat99]

gnomes are terrible. thanks for reading.

[serjordanmormont]

Cucumbers gave you the short answer; let me give you the detailed answer.

I have a 60 warrior (Sakuragi) and he's quite solid in small groups. His biggest weakness is that Raev is better! The Feverblade/Sword of the Shissar combination is very solid threat with 255 dex, and with 5400 HP/1300 AC it's not even necessary to slow most low 50s mobs. And for tougher stuff he has evasive and defensive discs; asking Team Debuff to wait 10-12 seconds before firing the tash/slow cannon on a 1-2 minute fight isn't that much of a sacrifice.

This will not be your experience leveling an untwinked warrior XP groups! You can't afford good weapons and haste, and even if you could there are no good high ratio proccing weapons until Frostbringer at 40, and if there were you'd still need dex to make them proc, which you won't have without L60 shaman buffs, and even if you had the dex the fights are so short (<30s vs 20s average to proc with max dex) that your threat would still be very inconsistent. Expect to be tanking about 50% of the time vs a Paladin's 95% of the time. Plus you don't get discs until L52!

But even more than that, if your groupmates do something stupid there is very little you can do on a warrior. Enchanter having trouble on charm breaks? The Paladin can heal him and stun his charmed pet. Monk having trouble splitting? The Paladin can calm. Too many mobs in camp? Paladins get root! Caster mobs wrecking your day? Nothing a few Paladin stuns can't handle. Shadow knights don't have quite the same toolbox, but you at least have rock solid aggro and can split reasonably well with Darkness/Eye of Zomm + FD. Now in a good group this won't be as much of a problem, but you'll be in more bad/mediocre groups than good ones on the way to 60.

I think Warriors are the best tanks in the game at 60, with the best HP, best AC, best DPS, and the best disciplines of any melee. But even then they need good gear and good support. The other 99% of the time, Paladins and Shadowknights are much less frustrating.

Very thorough, thank you for that. I am far from a twink so perhaps I will avoid warrior after all. Paladin & SK sound like they may be more my speed. I wouldn't call myself an experienced player either. Just used to play back in the day and am enjoying getting back into it. If warrior is so gear dependent perhaps they aren't for me. I like the idea of hitting stuff because my main is a cleric and I want something to offset the heal/sit/med repeat routine from time to time.

[serjordanmormont]

Also, have you considered ranger?

I have not, mainly due to me having a druid and them being kinda similar. At least that's what they tell me. I'm open to being persuaded though.

[thufir]

I have not, mainly due to me having a druid and them being kinda similar. At least that's what they tell me. I'm open to being persuaded though.

If you want to tank until 60, I'd advise against the ranger. They are pretty good at tanking things until the 40s because they have hybrid aggro, but they start falling off after that due to armor limitations. Not nearly as bad of a class as people say they are, just not a preferred main tank for groups. Reasonable solo adventurers, though.

[mgellan]

Oh really? I mostly want to group with people. I have no idea if I want to raid. Am I better off going paladin in that case?

If you think you might want to raid go warrior, else you'll end up with a 50s toon no one will want tanking once warriors get disciplines and have to start again. But definitely not as a first character, it's painful trying to level an untwinked warrior... my 36 warrior has just really started to get fun to play!

As far as aggro goes on low levels my experience is a 2H seems to hold aggro better than dual wielding proccing weapons (dps?) ... PGT seemed to generate a lot of hate when it proc'd tho due to self buff. But anecdote != data :)

Regards,
Mg

[Buellen]

Just wanted to chime in.

Raev hit on the nose.

If you want to play a warrior for fun(Grin) you can solo but it take way longer than other classes. BANDAGES are going to be your biggest expense early on. You have to learn what blue con mobs you can take at 50 % health.

Low level cheap HP gear: Alligator tooth earing 5hp x2 (Qeynos sewers Injured rat); 5hp rings from undead knight (qeynos sewers). Velvet chocker 5hp I believe quest from qeynos. WAlk into West karana and see any high level hunting ogers wil sell or gift a chipped bone coller 10hp. Electrium jaded bracers 10hp/mana relatively cheap from jewlers.

HOpe that helps.

[Diogene]

Warriors in xp groups are absolutely fine. Dont forget everybody on this server is no excellent player, a good war is always appreciated, no way people will turn you their back cause of your class, if'you're good they will ask for more. Your skills are more important than anything else. Roll halfling of you wanna add a difference, sneak pull is so OP and being small in dungeons is a great advantage. Tank dps the shit out of these mobs too. Warriors are fun. But I agree a non twink war can be frustrating, 15k is the approx budget to get decent AC / weapons / haste and strenght. You can do with less I suppose... But getting 10k before lvl30 is very feasible if you are patient.

[Rygar]

On live I had a warrior. Some mistakes I made was spamming taunt as soon as it was off refresh. If you have agro, do not mash taunt, you want to save it for when someone else agroes the mob then hit (has a chance to immediately turn mob to you, else mob will beat on your wizard for 5 seconds or whatever before your taunt is off refresh).

For holding agro, I found DoT weapons to work wonders. Black Blade of Tormenting + Bloodfire was a good choice for when they started procing. I hear short sword of the ykesha is good as well. Only problem with DoT weapons is if you need to switch targets they won't mezz your mob. Also not sure if your DoT on those takes hold if another class has a higher level DoT? Maybe someone else can comment.

At higher levels I found a Frostbringer to help hold good agro too.

[serjordanmormont]

Thanks to everybody for your input! I really appreciate you helping out. A couple things I'd like to clarify:

I am not in it to solo. I don't mind grouping, in fact it is preferred. I just didn't know if I wanted to raid originally, but after further research have decided that I definitely do. I was frustrated by my inability to hold aggro in groups when I was messing around with a low level warrior but if that really is just a gear/level thing I'm not too concerned. I feel like gear will come with time, at least based on what I've read in this thread. Also my main is a cleric (albeit he's still lower in level now) so once I get a little higher with him I'm sure I can make some easy plat with rezzes and such to help gear my warrior. At least that's what I'm told.

I will make sure I'm stocked in bandages regardless though and I'll for sure take all of the advice on starter gear I can get. I do have a full set of small banded armor which is probably okay for lower levels (I'm speculating here so please correct me if I am wrong about that). I'll make my way to Qeynos for some of the other things mentioned.

As far as race, I kind of hate how Ogre & Trolls's look so I can't see myself ever playing one and I don't care much for Halflings. Barbarian, Dwarf, Dark Elf & Iksar are my top options, but I could be persuaded to play a Half Elf, Wood Elf, Human, or Gnome if there is a good reason to go those routes such as solid unique gear. I've had a lot of people say one race is better than another which is fine but I will take aesthetic over min/maxing any day so long as I'm not going to completely struggle with the option. So rather than asking what race is best for a warrior, I'll ask are there any races I should stay away from if I don't want to completely struggle?

Thanks in advance. :cool:

[Samoht]

Struggling races to stay away from? Wood elf and dark elf. Starting STR/STA are too low. Especially for a plate wearing tank class.

[serjordanmormont]

Struggling races to stay away from? Wood elf and dark elf. Starting STR/STA are too low. Especially for a plate wearing tank class.

Will do, thanks for all your help!

[fugazi]

There are plenty of cheap weapon options that will serve you well into your late 40s. Green Jaded Broadsword, Jarsath Trident, and up to 20 Vilks Dark Defender will also serve you well. You can probably get a defender for free :)

And once you do hit 50+, buffs will see your str and dex maxed in no time. But, up until that point, stats from race and item will sure as hell matter.

(I vote wood elf warrior because they look sexy in plate and we alrdy got too many ogres!)

[MavstabYoudead]

lammy, jade mace, sword of skyfire all good starting weapons. will hit for max and have lower delays.

[serjordanmormont]

So I've been contemplating this and reading over all of the responses. I think despite not having much in the way of starting gear, I will fumble my way through as a Barbarian Warrior.

I'll grab a couple of the best cost weapons I can find to get started. A few of you have said a set of bronze will do he trick for a while so I'll likely purchase a set when I can. Anybody know what a full set of bronze is going for these days? Or perhaps where bronze armor drops? If I can't afford that I'll probably grab banded to start cause I think that goes for around 90pp and I can for sure afford that.

Thanks again for all the input!

[Jimjam]

Large bronze drops in Najena off of Officer Groosh (something like that). Shaman, single pull so soloable as an untwinked 30s warrior.

Regular bronze, can drop in Mistmoore IIRC and in SoldungB amongst other places.

Banded will be fine for many levels in old world and isn't much worse than bronze but weights much less.

[Samoht]

Don't even bother with bronze. Just hang out in EC and pick up random pieces of cobalt, crafted, kylong, seb scale, rygorr, etc when you see them for cheap. You can probably find some random pieces of human RZ cultural, too.

[khanable]

I have some RZ armor I don't need. Pm me if you want it (free).

[serjordanmormont]

Banded will be fine for many levels in old world and isn't much worse than bronze but weights much less.

Awesome, thanks, good to know!

[serjordanmormont]

Don't even bother with bronze. Just hang out in EC and pick up random pieces of cobalt, crafted, kylong, seb scale, rygorr, etc when you see them for cheap. You can probably find some random pieces of human RZ cultural, too.

Okay, thank you, will do. Is there a good place for me to reference cost for this stuff? I wouldn't know if something was cheap or not.

[Thurgrim]

Very thorough, thank you for that. I am far from a twink so perhaps I will avoid warrior after all. Paladin & SK sound like they may be more my speed. I wouldn't call myself an experienced player either. Just used to play back in the day and am enjoying getting back into it. If warrior is so gear dependent perhaps they aren't for me. I like the idea of hitting stuff because my main is a cleric and I want something to offset the heal/sit/med repeat routine from time to time.

I had a 60 warrior alt during RoK/SoV so I knew of the dependency on gear.

Details behind the good and bad have been covered already, but my advice if you choose to main this class.: Levels = gear, being an ogre helps.

The items I got along the way were won in groups, generosity, camping items and raiding... not a whole lot of tunnel questing. A proper haste item and resists will be your obsessions.. Raiding will get you geared up pretty quickly.

I have a lot of clickable items to help with utility, and a range of weapons to use depending on situation. You will be hot swapping weapons often.

Just put up a Maeglo profile, its not complete and obviously isnt BiS, but its pretty typical:
http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Odumok

[Teppler]

If you want to tank until 60, I'd advise against the ranger. They are pretty good at tanking things until the 40s because they have hybrid aggro, but they start falling off after that due to armor limitations. Not nearly as bad of a class as people say they are, just not a preferred main tank for groups. Reasonable solo adventurers, though.

Group content is a pushover in this game though. In a group setting you can tank stuff into your 50's as a shaman even if it isn't ideal. With a group behind you, Ranger will be absolutely fine tanking anything.

[thufir]

Group content is a pushover in this game though. In a group setting you can tank stuff into your 50's as a shaman even if it isn't ideal. With a group behind you, Ranger will be absolutely fine tanking anything.

Anyone can tank anything if it's shaman slowed. Don't mistake this for any group sufficing for group content.

[Troxx]

1. race doesn't matter, pick what you think looks coolest. Iksar is the best end game but you don't get to use kunark/classic plate (relevant while leveling, meaningless when 60)

/thread

Roll whatever race/gender you don't mind looking at.

-Ogre has the best starting stats and frontal stun avoidance. Stats don't mean a lot end game.
-Dwarf has decent stats and barrel-roll jumps (cool factor)
-Troll has good starting stats and regen, slow leveling but cool nonetheless
-Barbarian is never a terrible choice
-Gnomes can look through walls and have rechargable armor -- you never need a shrink potion!
-Halflings are small (useful), have sneak (can't be overstated), and level faster than any other race.
-Humans are meh. They are middle of the road but are never a bad choice.
-Iksar have regen, don't need shrink, highest ac via bonus, and many consider them the best end-game, but the difference is not really that big even with endgame gear.
-Half-elves get dildo helms with velious ... so that's something
-Woodelves get space-alien helms with velious ... so that's something
-Dark elves are inky ... and their velious armor looks cool.

None of this really matters though. Fighting level appropriate content with appropriate gear, all warriors will be useful and powerful.

Pick ... whatever ... race ... you ... find ... most ... visually ... appealing!

[azeth]

3. A warrior in cripple mode with a good 2hs will out damage monks and even rogues on raids. Warriors hold aggro through dps.

naet has lied to you all here. boo this man

[Troxx]

All elven races have bad overall starting stats, not the easiest races to pick if you're new to p99 and will probably have the hardest time. Having said that ... if you play your warrior long enough and make friends and social_contacts ... any race will find plenty of success.

Levels > gear > sill racial arguments.

If you like the way you look, you'll be more likely to keep playing and find success. Most of the minor perks in the long run are meaningless. Sneak can never be overstated though ... so races with racial sneak will always have this perk. It's good for banking/selling/questing/pulling, but for warrior-ly duties, its still not a game breaker.

[Teppler]

Anyone can tank anything if it's shaman slowed. Don't mistake this for any group sufficing for group content.

Minus pure cloth casters, same for any slow(Chanter/Bard). With a cleric, probably same deal. So what group build out there doesn't have a shaman, bard, enchanter or cleric?

[azeth]

Minus pure cloth casters, same for any slow(Chanter/Bard). With a cleric, probably same deal. So what group build out there doesn't have a shaman, bard, enchanter or cleric?

I dont know if any traditional group builds would exclude those classes. However, you'll commonly see those classes missing from actual group compositions in leveling zones.

I wouldn't be surprised to end up in a Sk/Monk/Dru/Dru/Mage/Wiz group if I show up to Mistmoore and put up LFG

[thufir]

Minus pure cloth casters, same for any slow(Chanter/Bard). With a cleric, probably same deal. So what group build out there doesn't have a shaman, bard, enchanter or cleric?

Azeth pointed out, correctly, that not all pug groups are of ideal composition.

Don't mistake bard slow for shaman slow, also. It isn't nearly as good. Enchanter is comparable.

And if you think a cleric alone will keep a ranger up against higher level content... when it is doable, it'll cost a lot of mana and slow you down. Sometimes, it won't be.

[Raev]

Group content is a pushover in this game though

Take away everyone's Cloak of Flames / Fungi / Tstaff / epic / full spell book / bag full of clickies / max xp and all of the content would get a lot more interesting. Not super hard, of course, but more interesting.

[Troxx]

Bard slow doesn't rally get better than 35%.

It's still 35% better than nothing and I still preslow with my bard, but it will never hold a candle to a shaman making a mob yawn for 70-75%.

[Jimjam]

Mobs haste each other, though, right?

And slow cancels haste?

So in areas with a lot of shaman, etc, any kind of slow is a pretty big deal?

[jarshale]

If you're gonna roll a warrior as your first char, get ready for all the twinked rogues and monks to complain about your aggro. I would roll something else and save up about 5-10k to get a few nice starter pieces.

[Dolalin]

If you're gonna roll a warrior as your first char, get ready for all the twinked rogues and monks to complain about your aggro. I would roll something else and save up about 5-10k to get a few nice starter pieces.

Haha, so true.

"Why can't this warrior hold aggro?" says the rogue with epic to the 41 warrior with a Jade Mace.

[serjordanmormont]

khanable was super nice and hooked me up with a bunch of RZ pieces and a decent weapon so I'm more set than I ever expected to be.

Thanks again Khan!

So stoked! :D

[khanable]

#justwarriorthings

[Swish]

If you're gonna roll a warrior as your first char, get ready for all the twinked rogues and monks to complain about your aggro. I would roll something else and save up about 5-10k to get a few nice starter pieces.

Good rogues evade (or turn off attack for a few swings if it fails and you catch aggro)
Good monks feign.

Bad ones? Well, teach them how to play their class ;)