Monk weight restrictions

[Nerrp]

So the patch notes from Sunday, January 31st, 2016 say this

"Monk weight allowance changed: Increases every 15 levels"

The old wiki article read this:

"Allowances confirmed via direct testing:
At level 1, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 14 stones.
At level 40, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 16 stones.
At level 46-50, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 17 stones.
At level 51-54, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 18 stones.
At level 55-59, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 20 stones.
At level 60, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 24 stones."

The wiki article was recently changed to this:

"Allowances confirmed via direct testing and January 31, 2016 patch notes[1]:
At level 1, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 14 stones.
At level 15, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 15 stones.
At level 30 monk's receive a penalty for exceeding 16 stones.
At level 40, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 18 stones.
At level 45, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 19 stones.
At level 46-50, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 20 stones.
At level 51-54, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 21 stones.
At level 55-59, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 23 stones.
At level 60, monks receive a penalty for exceeding 28 stones."

By wiki user "Steeks"

My 53rd level monk incurred a weight penalty moving from 18 to 19 pounds (via UI shown AC)
My 57th level monk incurred a weight penalty moving from 20 to 21 pounds (via UI shown AC)

This would mean that the original wiki article was right, and the new one AND the update notes were wrong.

I know the UI is not an accurate indicator of AC, but surely the beginnings of AC penalty would mean that AC was being affected right?

Anyone have any information on this matter?

[mev]

I believe that weight limits on p99 are now in line with live, so the client should now be an accurate indication of when the penalties happen. Your post aligns with the information on Monkly Business as well.

Edit: updated the wiki to reflect this

http://forums.monkly-business.net/index.php?pageid=abilities

[Phantasm]

With some planning and appropriate bags you will be hard pressed to exceed 15 stone

[Nerrp]

With some planning and appropriate bags you will be hard pressed to exceed 15 stone

TStaff = 10
Fungi = 2
Bag of Tinkerers x2 = 2
Shuriken (or worse, Javelin) = 0.5

^ just those is 14.5 - leaving you not much weight left for the rest of the 16 slots of gear and inventory

[Man0warr]

I rock 28ish with Shovel of the Harvest. Stopped caring.

[Nerrp]

I rock 28ish with Shovel of the Harvest. Stopped caring.

I've heard that it makes an enormous difference. Although I guess if you're just DPS in a group it doesn't matter. B/c of the inaccurate AC in client UI, it actually drops more than it shows when you overweight.

I always stay under.

Also - Shovel is 10 pounds, same as TStaff... I can't think of a reason that you'd be at 28, unless you're using gear that's not monk gear - or looting plat/gold or don't have 100% bags.

[arsenalpow]

I've heard that it makes an enormous difference. Although I guess if you're just DPS in a group it doesn't matter. B/c of the inaccurate AC in client UI, it actually drops more than it shows when you overweight.

I always stay under.

You'll go over for the right weapon, I promise. I'm under with double wu fists though, as long as you aren't tanking it doesn't matter, and the AC hit is negligible as long as you aren't too far over.

[Nerrp]

You'll go over for the right weapon, I promise. I'm under with double wu fists though, as long as you aren't tanking it doesn't matter, and the AC hit is negligible as long as you aren't too far over.

Fine - but I use TStaff, which is also 10 pounds, and Fungi, and I'm at 18 after all is said and done

See magelo on sig

[Daldaen]

I'm cheap on my monk and have 5 hand Made backpacks which pushes me high on the weight thing.

You really need 7 bags to carry all the Clickies and stuff you need to raid as a monk, so you end up with 4 Tink bags, 2 dragon bags and 1 large soiled bag best case scenario. At 5.8 weight in just bags.

Add on the T Staff that's 10. So 15.8. Add javs that's 2. So 17.8

Your other gear is likely in the 0.1-0.4 range typically and it adds up to around 2-3 stones eventually.

Can't carry any coin, only gems. Otherwise you get pushed over very quickly

[Nerrp]

I'm cheap on my monk and have 5 hand Made backpacks which pushes me high on the weight thing.

You really need 7 bags to carry all the Clickies and stuff you need to raid as a monk, so you end up with 4 Tink bags, 2 dragon bags and 1 large soiled bag best case scenario. At 5.8 weight in just bags.

Add on the T Staff that's 10. So 15.8. Add javs that's 2. So 17.8

Your other gear is likely in the 0.1-0.4 range typically and it adds up to around 2-3 stones eventually.

Can't carry any coin, only gems. Otherwise you get pushed over very quickly

Hand Made Backpack is a huge no-no for monk. Definitely get a Traveler's Pack or Shralok pack instead (not that much more expensive) if you can't get the 100% bags yet. the 3 pounds is terrible :/

There's no way you need 7 bags to carry clickies (OT Hammer, Jboots, lev cloak, see invis bracer, SoS, resist (ear ear finger finger wrist wrist face) few root nets), I don't buy it. 2 bags (20 slots) and you have enough for all clickies and resist gear. You gotta be light to stay under

I use one 1 Tink bag (1.0 giant 100% - 5k) one Large Soiled (1.0 small 100% 1k) and one Traveller's (0.4 large 20% - 150p) for all the 0.1 items - and I always have enough room for items

[Daldaen]

Hmm maybe I just carry too much, but I doubt it compared to other monks.

2 stacks of javs
2 stacks of peridots (weightless currency)
Larrikan's mask
6 invis rings
5 Root Nets
3 Pumice
1 Golem Wand
Midnight Mallet
Slowstone Amber
WC Cap
Reaper of the Dead
DA Idol
JBoots
Holgresh Beads
2 SoW potions
Null Potion
Robe of Whistling
Bracer of Hidden
T Staff
Stave of Shielding
2 Tash Sticks
2 MR Rings
2 Diamond Rings
2 BD Bracers
Froglok Crown
Fishbone Earring
2 Soulbound keys
PR Flower
10 stacks of bandages (this is a huge bag sink but I'm leveling so they're useful)

This is just starting though. Once I finish leveling him those bandage slots will just be filled with more things. I still need to get a Pegasus Cloak, more PoMischief Flowers, another stack or two of Javelins, a couple wort potions, maybe a goblin ear to hold buff slots so I don't have to spam epic while getting buffed. Etc.

Clickies extend your ability to do things hugely. Being able to invis self, root, dispell, DA, gate, Eye of Zomm, CH self and SoW self is very helpful! For leveling in a group not really, but pulling on a raid they all have their value.

Even just soloing, having those root nets is hugely helpful to just off root a mob rather than having to FD if a roamer or repop gets me at low HP.

I don't know how you could get by with just 2-3 bags on a raid.

[Phantasm]

i carry seven bags and at anytime I can find myself with 2-6 slots open for droppables

idk if I'm just stupid but I hold no value in having a tstaff also.

clickies/pots/consumables for days, enough javs to last you a full raid. your keys, gems, raid essentials and equipment... it all adds up.

[Nerrp]

Good grief -

"2 SoW pots AND JBoots

6 invis rings AND Larrikan's mask

2 MR Rings AND 2 Diamond Rings

10 stacks of bandages"

If THESE are the kind of things you feel that you need on your monk, then yeah you can't get away with 2 bags. But clearly you have lots of plat, so buy 4 Tink bags. that's 4 pounds, you're still only at 19 pounds.

and you'll have 100% slots for 40 items

[Daldaen]

Well outside of TStaff and Elder beads, everything on that list is pretty cheap and/or easy to camp and farm.

The SoW potions are double duration and 20% more speed. Very useful for raiding over JBoots.

Instant invis vs long casted invis has value. The Larrikan's mask gets used and recharged most because it's cheap. Rings are mainly used when invis is breaking early or mid pull to prevent aggros.

The resist rings may be excessive yea... And bandages are really just for when I'm soloing.

I plan on getting Tink bags eventually I'm just bad at justifying spending 20k on bags to reduce weight a bit. Maybe I will and see if I notice much of a difference soloing with better weight management though.

[jpetrick]

Maybe I will and see if I notice much of a difference soloing with better weight management though.

You will take a lot less damage when you aren't losing ac to being over the weight limit. It is very noticeable.

[Troxx]

You will take a lot less damage when you aren't losing ac to being over the weight limit. It is very noticeable.

I am always surprised just how big the difference is being under the limit vs something minor like 2 or 3 over.

The difference is larger than the visible AC difference would indicate.

[Daldaen]

I should probably invest then!

[arsenalpow]

I'm very meticulous about my bag order, and I'm very meticulous about my inventory. I'm almost always at 22 stones or below unless I'm wielding some dumb weapon. You'll notice a lack of BD bracers and frog crown, I just never take off my benevolence bracers or rile. My resist gear is pretty spartan aside from my primary/secondary swap and/or vel diamond rings. It's pretty easy to get resists from velious gear.

7 bags (large soiled, two dragon bags, four tinks)

5 soulbound keys
Shurikan bracer
Food & water
Guise
AoN

5 PoM resist flowers
Elder beads
4 stacks of javelins

OT hammer
Jboots
Peg cloak
Shield of the immaculate
2 vel Diamond rings
Fungi
Bio orb
Rainbow shield
Bladestopper

10 dose swamp pot
10 dose frost pot
Lizard blood pot
Thurg pot
WC cap
Vial of swirling smoke
Fishbone earrinng
DA idol
Golem wand
Bracer of Hidden

Bo staff from VP
Dispell stick from VP
Tranquil staff
Tash stick
Mallet
Slowstone
Reaper
10 dose wort pot
Stack of rubies (mallets / port fees)
Stack of EEs (you never know)

5 invis rings
Larrikan's mask
Stalking probe (sometimes you need a fast eye)
3 root nets

Sow pot
Mr pot
IVU pot
Shrink pot
Potion of Poison warding (this is dope)
Other various pots
Maybe some misc raid loot
Maybe some extra javs

[Man0warr]

I've heard that it makes an enormous difference. Although I guess if you're just DPS in a group it doesn't matter. B/c of the inaccurate AC in client UI, it actually drops more than it shows when you overweight.

I always stay under.

Also - Shovel is 10 pounds, same as TStaff... I can't think of a reason that you'd be at 28, unless you're using gear that's not monk gear - or looting plat/gold or don't have 100% bags.

Meh, I don't tank (I hardly group and never solo with my monk). I'm either pulling (Shovel bagged for Bowl of Watery Protection+Shield of Rainbow Hues) or DPSing - the AC loss isn't a big deal.

I have full 7 100% WR bags. It's probably my boots (Barbed Dragonscale which weight 3 stone?) but again, Sta/HP > AC for raiding.

[Daldaen]

Chest basically has a dream monk inventory. Swap VP staff for Abashi, add Coldain Beard, add some more Wort Potions, add soulfire, add Chardok bandage summoner (eventually). Not much else you could really fill into your bags beyond that.

That is why you need 7 bags though.

[Man0warr]

I still want an Anizok Vanishing Device, but haven't seen any for sale. 305 Trivial so need 250 Tinkering to have a decent shot at making them.

This is my default gear though: http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Tofusin

With two javelins I'm at 28/155, that's with 4x Tink, 2x Dragon bag, 1x Large Soiled.

[Erati]

Chest has some very full sacks

Im impressed....

I sit at around 25 ish weight on my baby monk - I would love to pick up some more toys in the bags tho, stupid PoM Crown drop rate.

[Ele]

Clickquest.

[arsenalpow]

I still want an Anizok Vanishing Device, but haven't seen any for sale. 305 Trivial so need 250 Tinkering to have a decent shot at making them.

This is my default gear though: http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Tofusin

With two javelins I'm at 28/155, that's with 4x Tink, 2x Dragon bag, 1x Large Soiled.

Nibble is working on maxing tinkering, it's a pain in the ass though from what I hear.

[Daldaen]

Nibble is working on maxing tinkering, it's a pain in the ass though from what I hear.

It's terrible. I think Naxi has a 220+ tinker but I haven't seen him around lately.

The only combines past 175 (Rebreather trivial) during Velious are the Gnome Armor which all require dropped items for each combo and cost a fair amount.

[arsenalpow]

It's terrible. I think Naxi has a 220+ tinker but I haven't seen him around lately.

The only combines past 175 (Rebreather trivial) during Velious are the Gnome Armor which all require dropped items for each combo and cost a fair amount.

Nibble was just doing a pile of clockwork greaves the other day. Even after the droppable crap you still need someone to make a pile of fine steel greaves to sink into the combines. It sounded miserable lol.

[Nerrp]

I have full 7 100% WR bags. It's probably my boots (Barbed Dragonscale which weight 3 stone?) but again, Sta/HP > AC for raiding.

? AC means you will get hit for less damage, if you're taking melee damage, it's super important. If you're assuming you'll only take spell damage, then sure, HP is more important

[arsenalpow]

? AC means you will get hit for less damage, if you're taking melee damage, it's super important. If you're assuming you'll only take spell damage, then sure, HP is more important

If a monk is getting meleed at a raid then he's doing it wrong.

[Nerrp]

The thing I don't understand is why you all have these items (clickies, resist gear, etc...) some of which have marginal benefit, suggesting you're min/maxing, and yet you're willing to go over the weight limit of 24.9 pounds (at level 60) - which is HUGE in detrimental effects. I'd be more selective in the gear I wear (for example, the 2.5 pound shoes that Tofusin (Man0War) (http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Tofusin) has, and replace them with the inferior, but lighter Black Pantherskin. It's worth it to get under the weight limit, you'd be GAINING armor class by losing armor class.

[Nerrp]

Need someone to do a parse of within limit vs. slightly over limit

[Nerrp]

Later tonight I'll parse myself being hit by a fixed mob, and change my level of encumberance over weight limit using GamParse and post it.

[Ele]

The thing I don't understand is why you all have these items (clickies, resist gear, etc...) some of which have marginal benefit, suggesting you're min/maxing, and yet you're willing to go over the weight limit of 24.9 pounds (at level 60) - which is HUGE in detrimental effects. I'd be more selective in the gear I wear (for example, the 2.5 pound shoes that Tofusin (Man0War) (http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Tofusin) has, and replace them with the inferior, but lighter Black Pantherskin. It's worth it to get under the weight limit, you'd be GAINING armor class by losing armor class.

Some of the monks aren't tanking or even getting hit in a lot of their situations. The clickies, raw hp, and resists are much more beneficial. In a raid pulling situation, if you get hit by the train/flurry drakes/boss you are probably dead anyway whether or not you are over the weight limit.

If you are in an xp group--pulling/tanking, then the weight limit will make a huge difference.

[Nerrp]

Some of the monks aren't tanking or even getting hit in a lot of their situations. The clickies, raw hp, and resists are much more beneficial. In a raid pulling situation, if you get hit by the train/flurry drakes/boss you are probably dead anyway whether or not you are over the weight limit.

If you are in an xp group--pulling/tanking, then the weight limit will make a huge difference.

That makes sense

[Daldaen]

To be honest, I just tried to stick my monk up to be ready to pull on raids. But I honestly have only been soloing in Sol B. I always sort of figured the benefit on this server of being under the weight limit was rather marginal, but I suppose it's worth investing in a few more Tink bags and dumping my coin to figure out how much I can tell soloing changes when I'm under cap.

[Colgate]

i use 4 bags

plan on going down to 3 when i get an abashi

clickquest is nearly nonexistant on red tho, javelins are also a waste of time in 99% of scenarios for me

[Daldaen]

Yea I could see red players needing far fewer bags.

But not having rechargeable Clickies decreases the depth of the game hugely, especially in Velious before AAs and tons of Clickies, and meaningful discipline revamps occured later on.

[Phantasm]

@Nerrp I carry just about the same inventory as chest with a few differences. My goal as a puller is to be prepared for every scenario. Weight really hasn't been an issue for me in a very long time, because I don't go over like 18 with my heaviest stuff on

[Colgate]

Yea I could see red players needing far fewer bags.

But not having rechargeable Clickies decreases the depth of the game hugely, especially in Velious before AAs and tons of Clickies, and meaningful discipline revamps occured later on.

clickquest is so far away from what i want and remember from classic everquest and is horrible from a gameplay design standpoint

i personally think PvP adds enough depth to the game, but at the end of the day if you're looking for depth, classic everquest emulators aren't where you should be looking

[Damn]

I use three bags one for gear one for consumables and one for pumice/golem wands I play red if you need more then four bags then you're doing it wrong on a monk

[Lojik]

So will the weight limit at 60 ever be increased to 28 in our timeliness?

[mev]

So will the weight limit at 60 ever be increased to 28 in our timeliness?

I think that the weight limits on p99 are currently the same as the weight limits on live eq.

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/weight-restrictions-for-a-new-monk.202356/