Shaman Race?

[Hibren]

So as far as min Maxing goes, Troll/Iksar vs Ogre -

Does being unstunable outweigh the regen at higher levels, regen seems really lackluster on a class that can heal itself? The tiny AC boost from Iksar seems okay but the giant sta and therefore hp pool for ogre seems like its best for min max? I know wis hardly matters since 200 wis is easily broken with some decent gear.

Thoughts? I already have an Iksar shaman but hes only lvl 12 and im considering going over to Ogre? possibly Troll.

[Xaanka]

regen is really good because
- it stacks with other sources of regen
- shamans can convert hp to mana
- health regen therefore = mana regen

its hard to pass up.

Ogre is the best shaman for soloing nameds that can summon (51+)
Iksars and Trolls are the best shamans for everything else like raiding pvp leveling etc
Barbarian shamans look the coolest and get http://i.imgur.com/YQPHGYB.gif custom crowns

iksar vs troll = JBB + slam vs no fire resist penalty, ac bonus, smaller race (good for pvp purposes)
troll has a slight edge with soloing

[Troxx]

Hey look it's this thread again!

Troll >= iksar >> ogre >> barbarian

Ogre has a very modest advantage AT level 60 WITH torpor for soloing big trophy kills. Bear in mind that all these trophy kills have been pretty easily done with all other races at 60 with torpor.

Prior to 60 AND torpor, racial regen wins. At 60 with torpor, for 99% of content, racial regen still wins.

On red, iksar is pretty clearly superior to troll imo.

[Semmysosa]

How important is slam in PvP?

[Videri]

How important is slam in PvP?

Shamans get no other interrupts. Slam might let you stop a gate or other spell. I'm not good at playing a shaman, but I bet you could use slam to great effect in small-scale PvP. In mass PvP, you might just get killed first because you're a shaman (dangerous malo + squishy target).

[Xaanka]

ya the advantage in mass pvp goes to iksar because shams are often focused and you'll blend in a lil more + smallest epic weapon model. the large races are easy to spot and focus. aon/guise/shrink etc shift the balance a lil if they're available to you but you can't count on buffs that don't work in every zone or can get pelled off you. barely matters tho, people will just know your name eventually.

slams kinda useless actually, but its marginally better than nothing & nothing else shares the cooldown.

[derpcake]

^ has never interrupted gate with slam

[Hibren]

Thanks I should add that Im not on red, So not being able to JBB doesn't really mean much then? I expected that would be a pretty big boon for Troll/Ogres

[Semmysosa]

Search Shaman Race in your forum tools.
I read all the existing posts and they cover all your questions.
Think I would prefer slam. Love to interrupt a cast.

[Xaanka]

^ has never interrupted gate with slam

Why would I? Slam has a near zero chance of landing from a non-bash class, and it shares a cooldown with backstab. Even if they're gating at full hp you're more likely to interrupt it with backstab (push)

[iruinedyourday]

human all the way cus eyepatch.

oh wait, cant do human.. then why of course the only other race that CAN have an eyepatch.. the BARBARIAN!

[vouss]

Cringing hard at xanaakas posts. Slam is great, not having it would blow. Slam probably lands half the time on cloth casters. With a haste item and your self casted haste your easily getting a slam attempt for every gate. You can slam other cool things like wizard nukes on pals as well. What ever you do discard all advice xanaaka has to offer

[Xaanka]

Cringing hard at xanaakas posts. Slam is great, not having it would blow. Slam probably lands half the time on cloth casters. With a haste item and your self casted haste your easily getting a slam attempt for every gate. You can slam other cool things like wizard nukes on pals as well. What ever you do discard all advice xanaaka has to offer

you play a shadow knight, in which slam skills up based on bash, making it actually land once in a while like you described. on classes without bash like shaman, rogue, etc its barely ever gonna land on a player character. questioning if you even play everquest jesus dude.

on shaman there's no reason not to have slam even though it won't work very often on players. nothing shares the cooldown, its an extra free button to press and its cool when it works.

also lol if you're trying to imply a rogue should ever use slam. please, tell me a situation where a rogue should use slam. id love to hear it!!

[Yuuvy The Destroyer]

you play a shadow knight, in which slam skills up based on bash, making it actually land once in a while like you described. on classes without bash like shaman, rogue, etc its barely ever gonna land on a player character. questioning if you even play everquest jesus dude.

on shaman there's no reason not to have slam even though it won't work very often on players. nothing shares the cooldown, its an extra free button to press and its cool when it works.

also lol if you're trying to imply a rogue should ever use slam. please, tell me a situation where a rogue should use slam. id love to hear it!!

Slam lands more often from behind. Super strong on gaters as well as abashi clicking monks.

[Xaanka]

Slam lands more often from behind. Super strong on gaters as well as abashi clicking monks.

Ya its useful on a shaman but these guys are trying to say I should be slamming on a rogue (hint you interrupt casts with melee push and archery on a rog and backstab is more push than slam bc it has a better hit rate)

[Semmysosa]

This escalated quickly.

What rogue races can worship Innorruk?

[fiveeauxfour]

iksars can wear the pd robe which looks badass

[xaxis]

This escalated quickly.

What rogue races can worship Innorruk?

Dark elf

[Danth]

Obviously Trolls are the best Shamans because Barbarian Rogues have the option of using Slam instead of Backstab. Internet forums are awesome like that. Personally I think Xaanka's first post covered it pretty well, so I'll quote it:

"Ogre is the best shaman for soloing nameds that can summon (51+)
Iksars and Trolls are the best shamans for everything else like raiding pvp leveling etc"

I agree with his assessment.

Danth

[vouss]

you play a shadow knight, in which slam skills up based on bash, making it actually land once in a while like you described

I play an iksar shadowknight aka no slam and a troll shaman aka slam ( 0 bash skill )

slams kinda useless actually, but its marginally better than nothing & nothing else shares the cooldown.

WRONG

Why would I? Slam has a near zero chance of landing from a non-bash class, and it shares a cooldown with backstab. Even if they're gating at full hp you're more likely to interrupt it with backstab (push)

WRONG

[Xaanka]

I play an iksar shadowknight aka no slam and a troll shaman aka slam ( 0 bash skill )



WRONG



WRONG

Getting real off topic here, nice attempt at trolling but it's obvious you've never played a rogue if you think they should be using slam. only time it's useful is against corner cast gates. In all other situations archery (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5833) is the most reliably way to interrupt. 9/10 times when someone is gating they're within kill range of a backstab, and even if they're not the melee push is reliably going to land 100% of the time while maybe 1 in 10 slams will work.
Are you even aware that Slam uses Backstab's cooldown?
Pretty much all the best pvp rogues on red aren't barbs, and if they are a barb they picked it for kunark throwing boulder crits, that should say enough.

[Semmysosa]

Is Vox and Naggy killed regularly on Red?

[Semmysosa]

Blart's shaman PvP starting guide.

http://www.notacult.com/guide_trollshaman.html

Troll or die.

[vouss]

Getting real off topic here, nice attempt at trolling but it's obvious you've never played a rogue if you think they should be using slam. only time it's useful is against corner cast gates. In all other situations archery is the most reliably way to interrupt. 9/10 times when someone is gating they're within kill range of a backstab, and even if they're not the melee push is reliably going to land 100% of the time while maybe 1 in 10 slams will work.
Are you even aware that Slam uses Backstab's cooldown?
Pretty much all the best pvp rogues on red aren't barbs, and if they are a barb they picked it for kunark throwing boulder crits, that should say enough.

Anime 3 46 0.07

that should say enough

[silo32]

Anime 3 46 0.07

that should say enough

I havnt died 46 times ever on red 99 in 4 years of playing almost 10 hrs a day

jesus dude did you even play classic pvp?

[Xaanka]

i was in a guild that required me to bind at skyshrine, and wiped repeatedly on a daily basis. after that anime became a strictly pve no fucks given character.
dark times, but at least i'm not swedish. 3-46 pvp score doesn't stop all your pals from instantly TL boxing when they see me in game.
still haven't enlightened me why Slam is good on a rogue vouss please go on...

[Colgate]

In mass PvP, you might just get killed first because you're a shaman (dangerous malo + squishy target).

lol what

[Beastagoog]

Cringing hard at xanaakas posts. Slam is great, not having it would blow. Slam probably lands half the time on cloth casters. With a haste item and your self casted haste your easily getting a slam attempt for every gate. You can slam other cool things like wizard nukes on pals as well. What ever you do discard all advice xanaaka has to offer

you play a shadow knight, in which slam skills up based on bash, making it actually land once in a while like you described. on classes without bash like shaman, rogue, etc its barely ever gonna land on a player character. questioning if you even play everquest jesus dude.

on shaman there's no reason not to have slam even though it won't work very often on players. nothing shares the cooldown, its an extra free button to press and its cool when it works.

also lol if you're trying to imply a rogue should ever use slam. please, tell me a situation where a rogue should use slam. id love to hear it!!

lol vouss just got schooled.

surely u knew this vouss?

i.e a barb shaman slam isnt as good troll sk slam?

guess u lrn something new each day

[vouss]

on classes without bash like shaman, rogue, etc its barely ever gonna land on a player character

WRONG

[Xaanka]

just give up vouss i pwned u b*itchboy

[vouss]

Anime 3 46 0.07 XXX

[iruinedyourday]

lol vouss is 0/0 for shaman

[Tomm Selleck]

iksar the true MVPs in velious. 2nd would be troll.

[Xaanka]

Anime 3 46 0.07 XXX

makes it all the more embarrassing that i know more about red pvp game mechanics than you

[Colgate]

troll for camping portals with ganksquads

iksar for pvp where u might be in danger

[iruinedyourday]

troll for camping portals with ganksquads

iksar for pvp where u might be in danger

Good advice

[Xaanka]

vvvvvvvvvv vouss the big time fuck boy vvvvvvvvvv
http://i.imgur.com/Lgp0XPI.gif

[Xaanka]

i got another good reason why racial slam doesn't matter for you, vouss: you're never gonna get a primal or a weapon better than your epic lolol why would it matter for you??



edit: i mean never. like u will play on here for years to come and never get one. hahahaaa

[vouss]

Anime 3 46 0.07 XXX

[iruinedyourday]

Lol anime dropping bombs

I prey for you beasty may you one day get the primal you deserve

[Xaanka]

vvvvvvvvvv vouss the big time fuck boy vvvvvvvvvv
http://i.imgur.com/Lgp0XPI.gif

[iruinedyourday]

never a more accurate image of voss has ever been posted

[vouss]

BUMP

Times a rogue should use slam over backstab

- Anytime anyone begins casting a spell that takes 9 or less seconds to cast, and you don't want him to

[derpcake]

/proceeds to slam a clr at 4%, fails and watches target gate

"always" baby

[jolanar]

I personally went Iksar. Am I extremely jealous of Ogre's stats and non stun? Absolutely. But I could just never plat a fatty long term. I had a troll once and hated every moment of it.

Fashionquest is the ultimate min maxing in this game anyways.