I am not allowed to xp in KC on Sunday?

[Kavious]

Am I really not allowed to be in an xp group in KC when VS is in window because of what guild I am in?

Contested or not, I am told every Sunday I need to leave my xp group. I have looked through all the posted rules I could find and I cannot find anything official, and no one I have asked can point me towards any reference other then to say there are cases in the past where an entire guild was suspended because of this.

To be clear, I am in a KC group to xp. I am not participating in the raid if there is a pop, I am not moving from my camps location. I am still told this doesn't matter

If this is a rule, it is really punishing some of those who just want to xp. And currently on Sundays of all days =/

[blondeattk]

lazy exp ftw!

is muppet encoded in the dna? you cant think of anywhere else to exp?!

maybe try pushing the boundaries for once? go somewhere exotic /scared on

[Valse]

I have asked can point me towards any reference other then to say there are cases in the past where an entire guild was suspended because of this.


I think you're approaching this wrong. Look at it from a wider perspective, not just your PoV but the other 50-70 people in your guild. There may not be anything in stone that you can point to but your guild is right in this case. Though Sirken has commented on it numerous times in relation to Trakanon on his stream. Guilds have been petitioned for having toons too close to the spawn point. Its tough to prove innocence sometimes so a guild's leadership is going to err on the side caution. The other 50-70 people shouldn't have to suffer because you wanted exp and got your guild petitioned...even if your intentions were innocent.

If your guild doesn't want to take the risk then that's on them. You still have the choice to not be in that guild but it makes perfect sense for a guild leader to want to avoid litigation, especially when its in their complete control such as this scenario is.

[-Catherin-]

If you don't care about raiding VS and want to exp you can leave the guild until he spawns and not participate in the fight and then rejoin your guild after he's dead.

I know it sounds dumb/crazy (it pretty much is) but this is what people do and it is an accepted practice. In ToV people who are ready to complete dragon quests drop their guild and then do the turn ins when the dragon spawns. They get their quest item and do not partake in the fight, rejoining their guild after it is over.

[jpetrick]

You'll live. KC exp sucks anyway.

[eadric]

The suspension that set this precedent was levied against BDA a few years ago. There was a group xp'ing at King/zone out when Trakanon popped. BDA got the kill, then TMO rule lawyers went to work with the result of a one week suspension and loot being deleted. People who just want to xp in peace have been paying the price ever since. This community is the way it is because we the players have made it this way... food for thought.

[jcr4990]

Thanks TMO

[fan D]

the blue server is very silly, it is dumb

it is disgusting, i don't know why anyone would willingly chose the server over the red one

[Zill]

the blue server is very silly, it is dumb

it is disgusting, i don't know why anyone would willingly chose the server over the red one
Hmm... maybe the people that chose blue over red actually enjoy classic EverQuest with other people instead of playing in a global chat room with 15 other players?

Red is a fucking joke and it's hilarious people on here act like its a vacation in Bora Bora vs blue.

[fan D]

Am I really not allowed to be in an xp group in KC when VS is in window because of what guild I am in?

Contested or not, I am told every Sunday I need to leave my xp group. I have looked through all the posted rules I could find and I cannot find anything official, and no one I have asked can point me towards any reference other then to say there are cases in the past where an entire guild was suspended because of this.

To be clear, I am in a KC group to xp. I am not participating in the raid if there is a pop, I am not moving from my camps location. I am still told this doesn't matter

If this is a rule, it is really punishing some of those who just want to xp. And currently on Sundays of all days =/

By joining that guild you signed up for follow these rules. You are obviously the new to the guild, by choosing to stay in an exp group over raiding you are making yourself look like a knucklehead and a poor applicant. Your guild is not going to take you seriously.

[Expediency]

Rule is totally dumb and not classic at all but you will be held to same standard in any guild that contests VS. Its not a guild rule, its a server rule

[xKoopa]

You'll live. KC exp sucks anyway.

This. KC is literally the worst place to xp, id xp in velks over KC lol

[SamwiseRed]

is it that hard to drop tag? if you are in KC for xp, you aint ready for a guild. good luck nerd.

kc is for some drops, vp key, and most importantly pvp. anything less is uncivilized.

[eisley]

this dumb rule is one that should be looked at it.

[SamwiseRed]

or guilds could stop breaking rules. not sure which one is easier (jk I do)

[Expediency]

Here come all the people telling us how an outdoor dungeon that is also a convenient travel hub/pug location is an awful place to exp.

KC is literally the worst place to xp, id xp in velks over KC lol

"literally"

[Aeaolena]

If you don't care about raiding VS and want to exp you can leave the guild until he spawns and not participate in the fight and then rejoin your guild after he's dead.


Many guilds see the benefit of members getting 60. They may be cool with you dropping tag to get the exp you need toward that end, or they may not be - as some guilds want people eager to step in and help when a mob spawns. So talk to them and see where the temperature is at with that option.

Either way, be careful if you drop tag to not participate in the fight. Someone will notice, and your guild will eat a suspension and their loot/epic will be deleted.

[Expediency]

Many guilds see the benefit of members getting 60. They may be cool with you dropping tag to get the exp you need toward that end, or they may not be - as some guilds want people eager to step in and help when a mob spawns. So talk to them and see where the temperature is at with that option.

Either way, be careful if you drop tag to not participate in the fight. Someone will notice, and your guild will eat a suspension and their loot/epic will be deleted.

Has there been a GM ruling about the acceptability of dropping your guild tag to exp? It seems to be common practice among quite a few guilds for alts to exp this way but if someone dropped their tag trying to keep in good standing and still caused a guild to eat a ban that would be really backwards and terrible.

[Tuljin]

Here come all the people telling us how an outdoor dungeon that is also a convenient travel hub/pug location is an awful place to exp.

Really KC is a horrible place to XP and it has been for a long time. The XP is very slow and there are few good drops. The only good XP is in the Basement and you have to be low to mid 50s really for that. The ZEM sucks and a good rule of thumb is to get experience in dungeons "indoors."

Velks is a better option even though the XP sucks there too. There's actual worthwhile drops that sell very nice and are also great to equip if you are a nub and need gear. The XP is Velks is better and these days its a ghost town despite the fact that its far more easy to reach than Karnor's Castle. Its a short run from the port circle, and if you need a port back just do the short run back to the circle from Velks and wait for one.

What amazes me is how many people wipe to spiders even though they dont cast spells and they don't summon. They do backstab though, and I suspect nubs often catch a couple nasty rounds scrambling around while there's a few spiders out and they get punked hard. The other night I saw a group of a 60 Shaman, 60 Enchanter, and 50something Cleric from a big bad "raid" guild that wiped to spiders. Absolutely laughable really.

People still level in KC because they can't hack other content. It is not the most convenient leveling zone and its not the best XP and loot, and in fact its far less of a travel hub now with the launch of Velious.

is it that hard to drop tag? if you are in KC for xp, you aint ready for a guild. good luck nerd.

kc is for some drops, vp key, and most importantly pvp. anything less is uncivilized.

I would agree with this statement. Unfortunately, guilds on Blue just want warmbodies and they don't give a shit if you can't root off 3 melee mobs and live or not. The bar on this server now is set so unbelievably low and people's approach to playing EQ is completely skewed now that the idiot "raid" guilds have completely transformed the server into a min/max ex-WoW nub shitshow. It is completely sad that we have to "follow the rules" and you have to drop your tag to get XP in some cases. Its an absolute outrage, really.

If your guild doesn't want to take the risk then that's on them. You still have the choice to not be in that guild but it makes perfect sense for a guild leader to want to avoid litigation, especially when its in their complete control such as this scenario is.

This server is so off the rails its fucking ridiculous. Nerds say shit like "to avoid litigation" without batting a single eye and it has become accepted status quo. It's a fucking video game. As many have pointed out, the gear upgrades don't even help on Blue. The bosses were all killed by 80-100 nubs in Kunark gear. For casters the only thing that makes a huge difference is clickies. Melees get great upgrades but when you're parked at NToV all the time waiting for that next dergan what the fuck do they matter.

To OP - I wish this server wasn't full of a bunch of Lawyerquesting assholes that ruin the spirit of EQ. I wish they would all go instance on Nostalrius cause that's what they really want to be doing.

Yes, the fact that you have to drop guild to get XP -is- fucking ridiculous and you -should- be able to say "this is absolutely fucking ridiculous" without being ostracized because you know what? It is ~completely~ fucking ridiculous.

[Expediency]

Really KC is a horrible place to XP and it has been for a long time. The XP is very slow and there are few good drops. The only good XP is in the Basement and you have to be low to mid 50s really for that. The ZEM sucks and a good rule of thumb is to get experience in dungeons "indoors."


Karnors is excellent place to exp. What you fail to consider is time and hassle spent making the group. If I have all night to play, sure, make a group and go somewhere exotic. But if I have two hours to play, I can log on to KC and usually have a group within 15 minutes. I could spend 30+ minutes getting a group together and traveling elsewhere to get better exp, but I've wasted productive time doing it. Plus if I die in KC, there are rezzes. If a group member leaves, there are plenty of people there to fill a slot with. If I need a sow or crack, its available, and if I need to leave because a mob pops, its a transportation hub. KC is excellent, you guys are just elitist about your leveling spots

[Tuljin]

KC is excellent, you guys are just elitist about your leveling spots

No, its just that good EQ players move their XP bars, and a 6-man LCY group is quite possibly the worst and least fun way you can do that. Apart from the fact that the bar moves at a snails pace, the nubs that frequent KC are not fun to play with and the actual content of the zone is not particularly challenging or fun either. Its old old news, my friend.

I wouldn't try to tell a veteran EQ player that "KC is excellent" with a straight face. Get a Seb and HS key and get some actual XP in actually fun and challenging zones. KC sucks.

[Nuggie]

Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.

This is the law of the land. It does not allow for people not intending to raid that just want to exp. If you dont want to cause your guild trouble, stay away from those zones. Sorry about the bad news.

[Whirled]

5 star thread here. The fact that you need a lawyer to play a video game is ridiculous.
Waiting to see "No soloing" signs posted next.

[jpetrick]

KC is excellent, you guys are just elitist about your leveling spots

No, you are just bad.

[Spyder73]

I have suffered the same fate OP - Basically if a raid mob is in window you need to F off and find another zone to go to or play an alt. Quite the bummer when you are in a Fungi King group and forced to vacate because of lame ass Trak. You underestimate people on this server, they will push the rules to the bitter limits so crazy stipulations like this one are needed or it would be worse.

[RDawg816]

The only time I've ever exp'd in KC (classic/live or on p99) was from 45-50.

Back on topic, p99 is full of rules-lawyers. Try to not let that make you jaded. We don't need more of "those people."

[Pokesan]

this dumb rule is one that should be looked at it.

[Jimjam]

OP: Why are you with a guild if you don't want to do guild stuff and they don't want you to do non-guild stuff?

[Ciroco]

lol, this is the same argument that everyone had about OT

We all get that exp per mob in KC is bad, but it's easy, you can make a group out of almost anyone, and there's virtually no chance of a wipe wrecking your group. With the way mobs are constantly falling through floors in Seb and HS lately, I wouldn't be surprised if KC bums are leveling faster.

In conclusion, raid rules are dumb and I blame TMO

[blondeattk]

I wouldn't try to tell a veteran EQ player that "KC is excellent" with a straight face. Get a Seb and HS key and get some actual XP in actually fun and challenging zones. KC sucks.

plz dont tell the inbreds this, well ok they welcome to frogville, but HS is a gem hidden away from the cousin shaggin masses....KEEP it quiet!

[Expediency]

No, its just that good EQ players move their XP bars, and a 6-man LCY group is quite possibly the worst and least fun way you can do that. Apart from the fact that the bar moves at a snails pace, the nubs that frequent KC are not fun to play with and the actual content of the zone is not particularly challenging or fun either. Its old old news, my friend.

I wouldn't try to tell a veteran EQ player that "KC is excellent" with a straight face. Get a Seb and HS key and get some actual XP in actually fun and challenging zones. KC sucks.

You neckbeards wont be happy until everyone plays exactly like you want them to. I gave my reasoning for why KC is excellent, and you failed to respond to the vast majority of it. I'm glad you dont care for it; more room for me. I also enjoy pick up groups with random people so thats not a downside.

Sure, per kill you will do better in some other places, but for the most part you have to bring your own group, you have to travel there, and services are not available 24/7. Those things take time and effort that could be spent immediately grinding in KC.

If I have a limited amount of time to play that day, KC is one of the best options on p99 50-55. Period. I'm not going to spend half of my two hours finding a group and running somewhere exotic just to get 30% more exp per kill. Thats less efficient given my timeframe and leaves me camped out somewhere that may be abandoned when I log back on. Seb is very good for sure, and better than KC no doubt if you get a group, but if you dont get a group you are stuck there, having spent 15 minutes+ running there plus buying a port both ways. And seb groups are not open to all classes.

[Pokesan]

let's all be elitist about video games!

[Spyder73]

You neckbeards wont be happy until everyone plays exactly like you want them to. I gave my reasoning for why KC is excellent, and you failed to respond to the vast majority of it. I'm glad you dont care for it; more room for me. I also enjoy pick up groups with random people so thats not a downside.

Sure, per kill you will do better in some other places, but for the most part you have to bring your own group, you have to travel there, and services are not available 24/7. Those things take time and effort that could be spent immediately grinding in KC.

If I have a limited amount of time to play that day, KC is one of the best options on p99 50-55. Period. I'm not going to spend half of my two hours finding a group and running somewhere exotic just to get 30% more exp per kill. Thats less efficient given my timeframe and leaves me camped out somewhere that may be abandoned when I log back on. Seb is very good for sure, and better than KC no doubt if you get a group, but if you don’t get a group you are stuck there, having spent 15 minutes+ running there plus buying a port both ways. And seb groups are not open to all classes.

Seb is still a bring your own group zone in my opinion. It's probably easier to pick up group there now that Velious is out, I really don't know. People who hate on KC are the same ones who will tell you that Kedge Keep is the greatest zone in the game – It’s not - if you have any trouble at all the recovery is excruciating. Try wiping down in HS or even Seb and tell me that its better than KC for casual play – it’s not

[Troxx]

KC is a fine place to xp. It does suck when it gets over crowded.

-It's easily accessible.
-It's not overly harsh.
-Nearly 24 hours a day there's the prospect of finding a group or a duo/trio.
-The xp per kill in a full group really drops hard after 56, but duo/trio it's ok to 60 and easy enough that most classes can duo there.

I've done all camps in velks and seb multiple times. I've grouped in chardok and HS. I haven't done SG or DN yet on p99. KC isn't bad by comparison and is better by far than velks. I'd prefer a seb or BM velks group any day of the week, but if you have a limited play time KC is awfully convenient. In a lot of the "better" places, getting a group outside a pre made is more challenging ... As is replacing a crucial member that has to leave. In a bring your own group type of scenario, there are lots better places than KC.

KC is fine.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

KC as an exp spot is classic. Maybe not my cup of tea except basement, but so what? For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone would criticize someone for grinding there, except it's Monday and they got sand in their vagina.

#kcexpmatters

[Sage Truthbearer]

No, its just that good EQ players move their XP bars, and a 6-man LCY group is quite possibly the worst and least fun way you can do that. Apart from the fact that the bar moves at a snails pace, the nubs that frequent KC are not fun to play with and the actual content of the zone is not particularly challenging or fun either. Its old old news, my friend.

I wouldn't try to tell a veteran EQ player that "KC is excellent" with a straight face. Get a Seb and HS key and get some actual XP in actually fun and challenging zones. KC sucks.

I like KC, I also like HS and Seb.

Even if I didn't like KC, it doesn't affect me if other people like to have fun playing Everquest differently than how I do, and I wouldn't feel the need to "convince" them the way they're having fun is wrong.

[Ele]

More of the same.

Did you know people deguild (or used to at least) to turn in Dozekar tears/Yelinak/tormax/dain heads otherwise they could be considered an extra puller/tracker and cause their guild to violate the raid rules?

[Getsmurfed]

The suspension that set this precedent was levied against BDA a few years ago. There was a group xp'ing at King/zone out when Trakanon popped. BDA got the kill, then TMO rule lawyers went to work with the result of a one week suspension and loot being deleted. People who just want to xp in peace have been paying the price ever since. This community is the way it is because we the players have made it this way... food for thought.

I do believe BDA was killing reets / juggs with a small raid force inside the castle past shrooms. Maybe they were pulling King to there, but it's food for thought. An individual person wouldn't strike as skirting rules, multiple groups is another thing.

[Hoozi]

If you don't care about raiding VS and want to exp you can leave the guild until he spawns and not participate in the fight and then rejoin your guild after he's dead.

I know it sounds dumb/crazy (it pretty much is) but this is what people do and it is an accepted practice. In ToV people who are ready to complete dragon quests drop their guild and then do the turn ins when the dragon spawns. They get their quest item and do not partake in the fight, rejoining their guild after it is over.

People should get suspended for circumventing the rules like this. You guys brought this on yourselves with your coth ducking bullshit etc, so reap what you sow.

[JackFlash]

More of the same.

Did you know people deguild (or used to at least) to turn in Dozekar tears/Yelinak/tormax/dain heads otherwise they could be considered an extra puller/tracker and cause their guild to violate the raid rules?

Wipe it.

[Man0warr]

I do believe BDA was killing reets / juggs with a small raid force inside the castle past shrooms. Maybe they were pulling King to there, but it's food for thought. An individual person wouldn't strike as skirting rules, multiple groups is another thing.

We were clearing all the juggs down to Trakanon. When he spawned we were in the zone out/King group area though. At the time, there was no rule on what was too close, just that you couldn't be at the spawn point.

[Pokesan]

People should get suspended for circumventing the rules like this. You guys brought this on yourselves with your coth ducking bullshit etc, so reap what you sow.

you're as fucked in the head as the other guy. you want people banned so you can get the dragon loots. you're a big gay baby.

[Turp]

go /anon than when VS pops tell your group brb and camp out or /ex than come back in 3 mins and resume. GM's not gonna ban ya for that, that was an old kunark rule and people do not care about it...this is a nothing problem, no worries ...

unless you go FTE tag or fight VS. You won't have a problem.

[bktroost]

go /anon than when VS pops tell your group brb and camp out or /ex than come back in 3 mins and resume. GM's not gonna ban ya for that, that was an old kunark rule and people do not care about it...this is a nothing problem, no worries ...

unless you go FTE tag or fight VS. You won't have a problem.

An unguilded TMO bard was too near Faydedar and got them a suspension when he poped. There is precedent for single players, groups of players and non-guilded players that actually belong to a guild getting a guild suspended and loot deleted.

The only written rule is that we can only have two trackers. Because someone WIll and HAS manipulated/lied to get an advantage, we casuals are forced to allow the preceding rulings to shape our actions.

Sirken, this will likely be another person that leaves the server because of undocumented, vague or loosely enforced rules that are cumbersome or unrelated to Velious era raiding.

May we please hasten our plans for that guild summit meeting to ratify rules?

[Phantasm]

about time you got rid of that stupid ring signature Bk

@OP - do what you want when you want it. Get your guild banned from a target so you can get 2% xp every 4 hours. Its worth it bro!

[xKoopa]

about time you got rid of that stupid ring signature Bk

@OP - do what you want when you want it. Get your guild banned from a target so you can get 2% xp every 4 hours. Its worth it bro!

The sad part is 2% every 4 hours is a real thing in KC.. never again

[Erati]

about time you got rid of that stupid ring signature Bk


HEY - I liked his ring lol

[Jaleth]

about time you got rid of that stupid ring signature Bk

I thought Bk's previous sig was rather well done.

[Hoozi]

you're as fucked in the head as the other guy. you want people banned so you can get the dragon loots. you're a big gay baby.

No, I want people to stop rule lawyering the shit out of P99. Its beyond retarded.

[Tuljin]

No, I want people to stop rule lawyering the shit out of P99. Its beyond retarded.

[jcr4990]

The sad part is 2% every 4 hours is a real thing in KC.. never againI guess that'd explain why when I randomly PL lvl 50+ ppl and get them 10% xp in like 30 min they love me so much. I avoid exping in full groups like the plague no matter what zone I'm in cause small groups are infinitely better xp. Let alone KC where the xp is already pretty bad outside of maybe the Basement.

I'll never for the life of me understand why people sit in 6 man groups at LCY.

[Troxx]

The sad part is 2% every 4 hours is a real thing in KC.. never again

2% in 4 hours?

I've never been in a KC group half that bad.

[Wudan]

the blue server is very silly, it is dumb

it is disgusting, i don't know why anyone would willingly chose the server over the red one

probably because they dont wanna play with people like you.

[Waedawen]

This server has turned into such a fucking joke its unreal

[Erati]

This server has turned into such a fucking joke its unreal

thanks for your opinion

[Pokesan]

thanks for your opinion

you are mistaking a fact for an opinion

my good chum

[MavstabYoudead]

you are mistaking a fact for an opinion

my good chum

don't think you understand the definition of what a fact is. google it...