Ring war fail exploit

[Boilon]

Another one just failed, so posting here to make everyone aware Dain will spawn soon! Really pissed off that nobody is doing anything about this and it continues to be exploited.

Ruining Thurg for anyone who needs to use it until this is cleared up with the respawn.

Nilbog has stated this is working unintentionally and they are working/trying to fix this, yet people still abuse this. Why is nothing done to the people who use this to spawn Dain repeatedly? I just don't get it, can someone explain to me why this is acceptable?

edit: Seems to be an awakened trigger because I noticed a ton of them in Icewell logging out.

[Atmas]

edit: Seems to be an awakened trigger because I noticed a ton of them in Icewell logging out.

Please do yourself a favor and look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[Boilon]

edit: Seems to be an awakened trigger because I noticed a ton of them in Icewell logging out.

If it is not, than it is being taken advantage of, and then still doesn't answer the question of my post.

Failing a ring war is classic, indeed. What is happening here is not. There should be punishment for people who do this with the intention of spawning Dain without giving the Ring War a solid attempt. This will continue to happen as often as there is people with turn in items.

[Atmas]

It doesn't answer your question, my post was about not throwing out baseless accusations. I could just have easily made a post saying "oh you made a post knowing this happened so you must have been the one who failed the ring war!"

Also failing a ring war and Thurg being slaughtered is an intended part of the game. it's been two weeks since someone failed a ring war? Stop overreacting like this happens several times a day or something. Even if working classically it could happen way more frequently than it has been.

[azeth]

i see you kept some stupid shit in your post even after being told you were wrong. good on you.

if im a ring 9 holder i can spawn a war whenever i want. if i fail i need to talk to dain, i lose no progress on ring.

if im a ring 8 holder i need dain to be up to turn to 9.

ring 8 holder pays ring 9 holder say 5k to spawn war, fail so dain pops.

both ring 8 and ring 9 holder go to the dain and ring 8 holder gets ring 9, and ring 9 holder gets another declaration of war.

thinking is hard, i know

[Herp]

OP has gone full retard

don't accuse people unless u know wtf ur talking about

[bktroost]

i see you kept some stupid shit in your post even after being told you were wrong. good on you.

if im a ring 9 holder i can spawn a war whenever i want. if i fail i need to talk to dain, i lose no progress on ring.

if im a ring 8 holder i need dain to be up to turn to 9.

ring 8 holder pays ring 9 holder say 5k to spawn war, fail so dain pops.

both ring 8 and ring 9 holder go to the dain and ring 8 holder gets ring 9, and ring 9 holder gets another declaration of war.

thinking is hard, i know

At the cost of flooding guilds with dain heads.

[Culkasi]

Such a coincidence that there is always a raid force ready to kill Dain when someone needs a very nessescary new declaration of war, its really fortunate that way, when lady luck shines on you like that

[fan D]

its the blue server, looting Dain heads or any other item off Dain is not gonna change anything as far as the ability to raid.

[arsenalpow]

Such a coincidence that there is always a raid force ready to kill Dain when someone needs a very nessescary new declaration of war, its really fortunate that way, when lady luck shines on you like that

The 24 hour raid guilds (awakened / Forsakengard) will always have the people to kill a dain with 2 hours of notice. It's not luck.

[Foxplay]

i see you kept some stupid shit in your post even after being told you were wrong. good on you.

if im a ring 9 holder i can spawn a war whenever i want. if i fail i need to talk to dain, i lose no progress on ring.

if im a ring 8 holder i need dain to be up to turn to 9.

ring 8 holder pays ring 9 holder say 5k to spawn war, fail so dain pops.

both ring 8 and ring 9 holder go to the dain and ring 8 holder gets ring 9, and ring 9 holder gets another declaration of war.

thinking is hard, i know

Spawning Dains, Send me a tell, cost 5k

/lul

[khysanth]

3am ring war sounds legit

[Triangle]

Surprised at the vehement defense of this practice, although perhaps not as surprised that such defense is generally comprised of ad hominem attacks toward the opposition/

The server GM's do not seem to be doing anything about it, so it is 'legit' in that sense, but I can't see how anyone can argue that the ability to spawn Dains at will is how things should be.

[Atmas]

It sounds like a lot of you are new to the server. On this server when raid mobs are in window raid forces park out for them. Most high end targets are killed very quickly after spawning.

Also it seems like a lot of people misinterpreted Azeth's post explaining why any random person with a 9th ring and declaration can and might spawn Dain. He was not saying he did it. You guys sound like you have the detective skills of Chief Wiggum.

[Raev]

Surprised at the vehement defense of this practice, although perhaps not as surprised that such defense is generally comprised of ad hominem attacks toward the opposition

Probably because of this leap of logic:

edit: Seems to be an awakened trigger because I noticed a ton of them in Icewell logging out.

Just because Awakened (or FA) have people in Thurgadin at all hours and notice its down, then batphone for people to park at Dain, does not imply that we purposefully failed the Ring war.

Hopefully whoever did the turnin burns in the fire of Nilbog's banhammer justice.

[Triangle]

Probably because of this leap of logic:



Just because Awakened (or FA) have people in Thurgadin at all hours and notice its down, then batphone for people to park at Dain, does not imply that we purposefully failed the Ring war.

Hopefully whoever did the turnin burns in the fire of Nilbog's banhammer justice.

Noted. I missed that edit.

[EatitNerd]

It's fucking classics, you won't change it and neither will the GMs. Please move this to RNF so we can really tell OP how much of an idiot he's being

[SamwiseRed]

velious is pointless on blue. everything can be killed in kunark gear.

[Pint]

you guys should trigger these mid day on sundays for free dains, we wont contest them

[Culkasi]

If a GM at some point states its completely legit we might, right now, we consider it an exploit, and we are not going near it

[Man0warr]

It's fucking classics, you won't change it and neither will the GMs. Please move this to RNF so we can really tell OP how much of an idiot he's being

Dain spawning on a failure is not classic, nor is being able to chain Ring Wars 30 minutes after a win/fail.

Nilbog just hasn't figured out a way to keep Dain from spawning with his Thurgadin repop script.

[Atmas]

Dain spawning on a failure is not classic, nor is being able to chain Ring Wars 30 minutes after a win/fail.

Nilbog just hasn't figured out a way to keep Dain from spawning with his Thurgadin repop script.

The thing is the majority of people who complain about these failures, which happen about twice a month, are upset they can't bank/buy/sell in Thurg. Which is classic.

[Pint]

If a GM at some point states its completely legit we might, right now, we consider it an exploit, and we are not going near it

seems odd to me that 3 guilds cant muster enough people on a sunday to beat a ring war

[Raev]

Serious question: how come I never hear about FA doing ring wars? They aren't really that hard, and you guys certainly have enough people.

[Vallanor]

seems odd to me that 3 guilds cant muster enough people on a sunday to beat a ring war

Is this the same Sunday in which your alliance is tracking a ton of mobs and thus unwilling to do a Ring War of your own? We may not be with you in NToV, but we're doing the exact same thing in Kunark and elsewhere...

[MavstabYoudead]

failures end up hurting awakened as we are the only ones who are completing the ring war and failing seems to be bugging out the reward heroes....

[FatMice]

Pint raises a good point. Go for Ring War. Not Kunark.

[bktroost]

Pint raises a good point. Go for Ring War. Not Kunark.

The day I'm told it's not an exploit is the day we do that. I can't lead my guild or an alliance down a road of exploitation just because we can or the rest of the people on the server are. It's against the rules. Period. Therefore there is no wiggle room.

[Pokesan]

The day I'm told it's not an exploit is the day we do that. I can't lead my guild or an alliance down a road of exploitation just because we can or the rest of the people on the server are. It's against the rules. Period. Therefore there is no wiggle room.

http://i.imgur.com/7tiHBST.jpg

[Pokesan]

Only if you are attempting it with the intent to fail just to kill the Dain. Otherwise how is attempting the ring war, which has been completed, an exploit?

he smirks, his cock in hand, gesturing feverishly at noone

"How can you say I'm jerking off?"

[Freakish]

Yeah you raid guilds should be ashamed. How dare you kill Dain that hasn't had a variance of 16 hours?

[bktroost]

Yeah you raid guilds should be ashamed. How dare you kill Dain that hasn't had a variance of 16 hours?

Yeah, maybe you are right. Okay Devs, because this guy thinks it's better let's turn all raid mobs into instances. Please start passing out the raid mob tokens to spawn them at will.

[bktroost]

Only if you are attempting it with the intent to fail just to kill the Dain. Otherwise how is attempting the ring war, which has been completed, an exploit?

I'll do a ring war, but I'm not going to exploit. There is absolutely zero rationale that anyone can pose that will convince me there is a good reason to blatantly lead people into breaking server rules for pixels.

All it takes is a GM to say " we are okay with people spawning Dains and killing them. It is not going to be considered an exploit until we can fix it" and I'll be all over that. But not before.

[Fanguru]

So how is the ring war an exploit, exactly?

When Awakened triggers and wins a ring war, are they exploiting?
There is no Dain repop, it is working as intended.

When anyone fails a ring war, are they exploiting?
Of course it is an exploit if the goal is to make an 8th ring holder get a 9th.

What about a legit attempt like CSG could do? Are you considering the whole ring war an exploit just because you might lose and shorten Dain's intended repop?
You could get Dain's time of death, wait till its window opens next week and start your ring war. Then there is no extra pixel added to the server (besides, you'll probably win, I believe in you! :) ).

About killing Dain himself after the failed ring war, is that the exploit? Leaving a raid mob up intentionally is definitely not classic, and I think all guilds killing Dain have a rule against their players triggering a repop without an attempt.
In any case, I do hope the GMs investigate individual players doing this shady stuff and ban them.

[Cheps]

The exploit is to trigger the war with no intent to win, i.e. not having a raid force ready, with the goal to spawn a Dain who should not spawn.

Whether you do this for ring 9 final hand in or to kill the Dain for loot is the same IMHO.

Now if someone not from your guild does it, is it an exploit to take advantage of it? That's something to discuss. Maybe Dain shouldn't be killed until his "real" window opens.

[MavstabYoudead]

Yeah, maybe you are right. Okay Devs, because this guy thinks it's better let's turn all raid mobs into instances. Please start passing out the raid mob tokens to spawn them at will.

it's not even close to an "instance". everyone has the same ability to mobilize. if you are feeling so bad about potentially exploiting this then if you guys attempt/fail a ring war just don't go for the dain afterwards...

again awakened loses out on ring war loot when ring wars are failed. it's definitely someone just selling the ring MQs.

[Thiefboy777]

I'll do a ring war, but I'm not going to exploit. There is absolutely zero rationale that anyone can pose that will convince me there is a good reason to blatantly lead people into breaking server rules for pixels.


Attempting to complete quests now classified as breaking server rules. I have been a part of several ring war attempts and every single one was a solid try. The war is beatable, why would you not give it a shot if you have a 9th ring?

[Pan]

Plenty of discussion on this subject here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220783

[Pint]

The day I'm told it's not an exploit is the day we do that. I can't lead my guild or an alliance down a road of exploitation just because we can or the rest of the people on the server are. It's against the rules. Period. Therefore there is no wiggle room.

This is a ridiculous stance to take in a video game, you're not hurting anyone and the only person judging you is yourself. Its just a game.

[Tankdan]

I'll do a ring war, but I'm not going to exploit. There is absolutely zero rationale that anyone can pose that will convince me there is a good reason to blatantly lead people into breaking server rules for pixels.

All it takes is a GM to say " we are okay with people spawning Dains and killing them. It is not going to be considered an exploit until we can fix it" and I'll be all over that. But not before.

Immersion levels over 9000

[Culkasi]

Of course its okay to attempt to actually win over the Ring War. Noone is really argueing that. Unfortunately, someone thinks they can win the ring war with 15 people at 6am, but luckily has 60 people to kill Dain a cpl of hrs later - that is the exploit, and everyone here knows that, even though some justify it because "the others also do it".
We (CSG) will take a legitimate shot at doing the Ring War sometime in the near future, however we will NOT kill the Dain that may spawn should we fail, because that is, until otherwise stated by GMs, not a Dain that should spawn, and as such an exploit. Even more so when ring wars are being triggered with the clear sole purpose of spawning said Dain. And everyone who claims that doesn't happen, needs to get off the coolaid.

[Lojik]

it is a big sacrifice waking up at very odd hours, its not healthy and not normal behavior.

Immersion levels over 9000

[Daldaen]

Honest question:

Let's say everyone adopts CSG's view of the Dain. It's an exploit spawn and shouldn't be killed...

When is it deemed okay to be killed? I mean, if he is an exploit and can't be killed then the non-exploit Dain cannot spawn, meaning no one can kill Dain until a server reset spawns a legitimate Dain? Do you wait until his real window would've started? Ended? Midpoint?

I don't think anyone is ignorant of the fact that Ring Wars are purposefully being failed to spawn Dains. However I think the only reason people are doing this is to avoid the 16-hour window on Dain, and use him as a quest vessel. Either to complete a 9th Ring or get a new Declaration of War. While I definitely don't condone it, with the fact in mind that City Leaders (Dain included) all had an exact 7 day respawn on live, I can empathize with people wanting to use this bug to skip a non-classic 16 hour variance window camping a simple turn in mob.

No one has purposefully failed the war just to kill the Dain. Guilds just catch word that Thurg or Icewell are down and know roughly when a Dain will spawn after someone else failed the war.

I'd LOVE if there were code that would require say 50+ characters in GD to trigger a Ring War. Just so that these 6AM fails, or any non-coordinated fail for that matter, isn't a possibility. Fails would only really happen when guilds make legitimate attempts at the war and happen to fall short of the tanking/healing or DPS checks in the event. Dunno how feasible this is though...

Would be cool if Nilbog fixes the respawn triggering a Dain also.

[MavstabYoudead]

Of course its okay to attempt to actually win over the Ring War. Noone is really argueing that. Unfortunately, someone thinks they can win the ring war with 15 people at 6am, but luckily has 60 people to kill Dain a cpl of hrs later - that is the exploit, and everyone here knows that, even though some justify it because "the others also do it".
We (CSG) will take a legitimate shot at doing the Ring War sometime in the near future, however we will NOT kill the Dain that may spawn should we fail, because that is, until otherwise stated by GMs, not a Dain that should spawn, and as such an exploit. Even more so when ring wars are being triggered with the clear sole purpose of spawning said Dain. And everyone who claims that doesn't happen, needs to get off the coolaid.

Please post any logs showing 15 people attempting a ring war and then showing up with 60 for the dain. You won't be able to because it is a terrible example that doesn't happen. The recent dain spawns have been from people selling MQs.

Again failing the war has been bugging out the heroes, so the only guild that has killed the ring war is the one being hurt.

[Fanguru]

Unfortunately, someone thinks they can win the ring war with 15 people at 6am, but luckily has 60 people to kill Dain a cpl of hrs later

If you find any evidence of that, please submit it to both GMs and leadership of the incriminated people's guild.
A monk afk FD at throne room or at sentry Badain could provide logs of the guilty person.
-> Sentry Badain says 'I'll be right with you, _____.'
-> Dain Frostreaver IV says, 'My good ______, you have served me well.

FA and Awakened can both muster a Dain kill force at pretty much anytime of the day. This is what cutthroat competition has brought: huge guild rosters with people from all around the globe.
It is no mobilization miracle to send a batphone saying Dain pops in a couple hours.

[Fanguru]

Also waiting up to 16 hours to do a turn-in is stupid beyond reason. Long variance sucks.

[arsenalpow]

What's the min faction needed with Dain to finish Ring 9? I assume someone knows for sure.

[Erati]

What's the min faction needed with Dain to finish Ring 9? I assume someone knows for sure.

just NON-KOS - so dubious I think is first...

that is same for 10th ring too

[arsenalpow]

just NON-KOS - so dubious I think is first...

that is same for 10th ring too

Give me a percentage of how confident you are with this information.

[Erati]

Give me a percentage of how confident you are with this information.

Ive done 4 9th rings - 100%

[arsenalpow]

Now I just someone to spawn me a 4am Dain for the easy peasy turn in.

[Erati]

Now I just someone to spawn me a 4am Dain for the easy peasy turn in.

lol

just schedule a BDA Ring War then add 2 hour 45 min

[arsenalpow]

lol

just schedule a BDA Ring War then add 2 hour 45 min

Ouch lol.

[Erati]

haha <3 - getting Chest his 10th ring needs to be a Server Wide Ring War pls

after you guys solo one for the cap in feather

[arsenalpow]

haha <3 - getting Chest his 10th ring needs to be a Server Wide Ring War pls

after you guys solo one for the cap in feather

Nah, there's plenty of people in BDA that deserve a 10th before me.

[Tuljin]

-----hilarious hypocritical quotes about immersion levels-----

roflmaoooooo

[Daldaen]

I'll help Chest get a 10th Ring

[Relbaic]

I'll help Chest get a 10th Ring

Please stop supporting bad ideas. His heads already big enough from his Robe/Crown.

[MavstabYoudead]

Nah, there's plenty of people in BDA that deserve a 10th before me.

Would be good to make an open event out of it if not for the desync issues. Ring wars are fun for me so would be down to help.

[JayDee]

It's fucking classics

Plenty of things are not classic here, in the spirit of balance

[xexbis0]

Camping a 16 hour window for a turn in is far from classic either. When Dain lands on a weekday, for the normal person, it's almost a non-starter. Poopsock and sleep deprive yourself for the chance that he spawns while you aren't at work? Sounds fun.

[bktroost]

Camping a 16 hour window for a turn in is far from classic either. When Dain lands on a weekday, for the normal person, it's almost a non-starter. Poopsock and sleep deprive yourself for the chance that he spawns while you aren't at work? Sounds fun.

You can't make that decision for the server. Europeans, Aussies, Koreans?

[Freakish]

Point out the guild killing dain who is popping him on purpose.

[xexbis0]

You can't make that decision for the server. Europeans, Aussies, Koreans?

I'm not making any decisions for the server. I'm not sure what your solution is either? By the way, congratulations to those mentioned above for not having to wake up at 5 am on a Sunday to do a Dain turn-in.

[Crom]

Would be good to make an open event out of it if not for the desync issues. Ring wars are fun for me so would be down to help.

/this, would help

[bktroost]

This is a ridiculous stance to take in a video game, you're not hurting anyone and the only person judging you is yourself. Its just a game.

I care far more about what I think about myself than what others think about me.

Integrity
[in-teg-ri-tee]
noun
1.
adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

[Thiefboy777]

I care far more about what I think about myself than what others think about me.

Integrity
[in-teg-ri-tee]
noun
1.
adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

Please stop exploiting those poor Kunark targets with Velious geared toons.

[Bman703]

Sirken confirmed on his podcast tonight that they wont punish anyone for this ask your guild Nemce about this he was on the show

[Bman703]

You're Welcome

[bktroost]

Sirken confirmed on his podcast tonight that they wont punish anyone for this ask your guild Nemce about this he was on the show

I am Nemce. Thanks. Yes he said he would be posting about it soon.

[Lazie]

Mhm. It feels like an exploit. However, you can't really blame people that didn't fail the war for killing Dain when he is up after it currently. If they didn't intentionally fail the war. His 7 day timer is reset each time. So the longer he stays up the longer it takes him to respawn.

[bktroost]

Mhm. It feels like an exploit. However, you can't really blame people that didn't fail the war for killing Dain when he is up after it currently. If they didn't intentionally fail the war. His 7 day timer is reset each time. So the longer he stays up the longer it takes him to respawn.

Right, well except for those who legitimately precamped and planned on tracking Dain only to find out there was a false attempt at 2am est and he died to an exploit. Those guys can surely cast blame.

[EatitNerd]

Classic as fuck. I truly remember it, we just didn't fucking exploit it like the sick fucks we have playing here now do or would

[arsenalpow]

Well now that it's signed off sounds like we need to have Dain days for scheduled farming. Sorry everyone, hope you aren't bound in thurg.

[Erati]

I call dibs on the Friday Dain !

when will loot rights to his head be sold? 200K seems reasonable for that if not too pricey lol

[Freakish]

I'm selling frapsquest videos for 20k / night. Convinced your opponent is going to stall, kite, AND train you? Hire my service and sleep easy that justice will be served.

[bktroost]

Just don't fail a ring war intentionally. Trolly, Trolly Neckbeards go home.

[arsenalpow]

Just don't fail a ring war intentionally. Trolly, Trolly Neckbeards go home.

Was that specified?

[Joyelle]

How can you judge whether a fail was intentional or not? I seem to recall you screaming exploit when we legitimately tried the wars and failed on last wave. Where is the line between a legit failure and an intentional one these days? It seems you have altered the terms of your superfluous crusade now that you see it's winnable.

[arsenalpow]

How can you judge whether a fail was intentional or not? I seem to recall you screaming exploit when we legitimately tried the wars and failed on last wave. Where is the line between a legit failure and an intentional one these days? It seems you have altered the terms of your superfluous crusade now that you see it's winnable.

You can't judge it, that's the point in trying to make. X number of wave 3 bosses or whatever isn't a proper metric. I'm saying that the whole thing is stupid and let's just farm Dain as a server because Sirken said its ok.

And it wasn't a crusade. There was a patch between the war being winnable and impossible, so it was altered slightly, plus needing 75-80 people that are intimately familiar with the encounter wearing loads of velious gear OR 120 kunark geared/moderate velious gear doesn't make me feel like the encounter is actually balanced.

[FatMice]

You can't judge it, that's the point in trying to make. X number of wave 3 bosses or whatever isn't a proper metric. I'm saying that the whole thing is stupid and let's just farm Dain as a server because Sirken said its ok.

For those that need this spelled out. This guild leader believes if he or anyone fails there is no difference between good or bad intentions. Make sure you never fail in this mans eyes.

[jpetrick]

I really don't see the problem with it. More stuff to kill, who cares.

[Daldaen]

I really don't see the problem with it. More stuff to kill, who cares.

People who are using Thurgadin for stuff care is who.

Also if this becomes a thing, I think you should have 20 minutes to kill the spearmen. If you don't, another guild can swoop in and claim the event for themselves.

I'd love to jump in and do a war someone spawned intentionally to fail lol.

[arsenalpow]

For those that need this spelled out. This guild leader believes if he or anyone fails there is no difference between good or bad intentions. Make sure you never fail in this mans eyes.

Yes, exactly that. /eyeroll

Intentions never mean a goddamn thing on p99. Every single action or statement gets parsed and spun and twisted for RnF or for propaganda (see the above quote as example) Remove intent, remove the need to police the action, we aren't going to give each other the benefit of the doubt anyways.

Just farm some Dains. It's been signed off, and then we don't have to argue the semantics.

People who are using Thurgadin for stuff care is who.
Then why give the OK? Why not stop the practice? Why not differentiate between a good attempt and bad attempt?

[Joyelle]

Are you saying you don't want anyone to attempt ring wars at all because there is a chance of failure?

[Man0warr]

Are you saying you don't want anyone to attempt ring wars at all because there is a chance of failure?

Where did he say that? Stop being obtuse. We are trying to prevent the below scenario I am about to lay out that is now completely legal because Sirken just said so:

You can spawn 8? Dains per day because the Ring War trigger respawns with Great Divide after 30 minutes instead of being a 3 day spawn or whatever it is supposed to be classically. So now during the week when nothing is going on guilds can just spawn a Dain every ~2.5 hours and Thurgadin will be completely shut down.

Basically until Nilbog fixes one or both non-classic issues (Dain respawning on failure, Sentry trigger in GD respawning in 30 min) Thurgadin is dead.

[Danth]

Basically until Nilbog fixes one or both non-classic issues (Dain respawning on failure, Sentry trigger in GD respawning in 30 min) Thurgadin is dead.

Doing just that is probably the most effective way of encouraging the admins to do something, if you want something done.

Danth

[Freakish]

They're both the same issue. Dain respawns with a zone pop. Sentry respawns with a zone pop. If you figure out how to fix one the other can be fixed as well.

[Star]

I honestly can't believe people care this much about 17 year old elf sim. Like it literally is causing this guy to lose sleep at night.

YIKES

[Kevynne]

I honestly can't believe people care this much about 17 year old elf sim. Like it literally is causing this guy to lose sleep at night.

YIKES

my thoughts exactly

stfu and go red and just fight each other over ring wars imo

[Raev]

It's just yet another frustrating 'we don't give a fuck' staff decision :( I totally understand the burnout after dealing with the server for so long, but it makes me feel like a tool for trying to play by the rules. If Sirken has specifically said that nothing will happen, then we should all just kill Dain 50x a week <shrug>

[Erati]

WTS My failed War - Your Ring Turn in

20K

[Joyelle]

Where did he say that? Stop being obtuse.

This is what I was referring to:

Then why give the OK? Why not stop the practice?

I am not being obtuse, i'm trying to figure out exactly what it is that your Dear Leader wants us to do. Until the devs are able to fix the dain spawn issue, it sounds like you guys are asking for everyone to stop doing ring wars.

That isn't going to happen, and neither are guilds going to spawn ring wars every 2.5 hours just to kill Dains. I'm not sure what kind of skewed neckbeardy perception you have of FA and Awakened, but I can guarantee you we're not that fucking depraved.

[arsenalpow]

This is what I was referring to:



I am not being obtuse, i'm trying to figure out exactly what it is that your Dear Leader wants us to do. Until the devs are able to fix the dain spawn issue, it sounds like you guys are asking for everyone to stop doing ring wars.

That isn't going to happen, and neither are guilds going to spawn ring wars every 2.5 hours just to kill Dains. I'm not sure what kind of skewed neckbeardy perception you have of FA and Awakened, but I can guarantee you we're not that fucking depraved.

Seems like Raev and Eratani are understanding what I was getting at. Maybe you aren't being obtuse but you missed my point. Such is the Internet.

[Bman703]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDJTYoZbv8o

[bktroost]

I honestly can't believe people care this much about 17 year old elf sim. Like it literally is causing this guy to lose sleep at night.

YIKES

Wow, you are so right! I should also tell the NFL that American Football was invented in 1869 and they should stop acting like it's relevant. Way too many people have lost sleep over that game.

[Star]

Wow, you are so right! I should also tell the NFL that American Football was invented in 1869 and they should stop acting like it's relevant. Way too many people have lost sleep over that game.

This is a virtual world pal. You need to learn the difference between real life and 1000 player pixelquest

[jpetrick]

People who are using Thurgadin for stuff care is who.


When people start farming Dain on respawn then I think we can declare this a problem. Right now I don't see a problem.

[bktroost]

This is a virtual world pal. You need to learn the difference between real life and 1000 player pixelquest

I didn't realize I was speaking to a bot. I assumed you and every other player on this server existed in the real world.

This is a game that over a thousand actual people enjoy a day. Doesn't matter when Cheerios were invented, if you piss in the bowl everyone is eating from you are still being a jerk to a thousand different people.

[Daldaen]

When people start farming Dain on respawn then I think we can declare this a problem. Right now I don't see a problem.

I don't disagree with you. It's a hypothetical situation that has literally never played out. Failed ring wars have occured for these reasons:

CSG's very early first attempt on the war
Rampage + Taken getting to 3rd wave and failing
Taken + Forsaken + Asgard getting to 3rd wave and failing
Bregan De Aerth getting to 3rd wave and failing
Random guy purposefully failing to either sell a Ring 9 MQ

These are literally the only reasons the war has failed on P99. Not one of them has been done with the goal of spawning a Dain. They've all either been legitimate attempts at wars, or random dudes selling Ring 9 MQs who have no intent in killing the Dain.

Now... This could change if all of a sudden Sirken says it's totally cool to fail the war with the intent of spawning a Dain. I was in and out during his stream, I don't know what exactly he said when Nemce brought it up to him.

But for the time being... Yea it's really not a concern just a hypothetical problem.

[bktroost]

Now... This could change if all of a sudden Sirken says it's totally cool to fail the war with the intent of spawning a Dain. I was in and out during his stream, I don't know what exactly he said when Nemce brought it up to him.



I told him that it was previously stated on the forums that killing that dain on a failed ring war was an exploit. That killing ANY Dain was against the rules and since it refreshes the timer it means you cannot kill Dain at all legally on this server because of this. I asked him to allow for the Dains that are spawned on a failed ring war to be given the okay until it is fixed. It needs to be a legitimate attempt, obviously. I clarified that very clearly off stream. He promised to have it in writing.

PS: until it is in writing, I'd consider this just chit chat.

[arsenalpow]

why does it "obviously" have to be a legit attempt? Who decides the legitimacy of the attempt? Who is going to police this legitimacy?

[Pan]

I don't disagree with you. It's a hypothetical situation that has literally never played out. Failed ring wars have occured for these reasons:

CSG's very early first attempt on the war


Hey, give us the same failcredit that you did the others. We made it a good ways into Wave 3, too. Kept it going 29 mins after it started before we succumbed...

[Pint]

I care far more about what I think about myself than what others think about me.

Integrity
[in-teg-ri-tee]
noun
1.
adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

sorry nemce but you are being a tool

[Pan]

Hey, give us the same failcredit that you did the others. We made it a good ways into Wave 3, too. Kept it going 29 mins after it started before we succumbed...

Ugh, 23 mins, but still...

We'll be taking another swing at that soon.

[Joyelle]

Hey, give us the same failcredit that you did the others. We made it a good ways into Wave 3, too. Kept it going 29 mins after it started before we succumbed...

He was probably unsure how far you guys got into that war.

[Crom]

bump (best thread on the forums right now aside form the bug section)