Trump! The Neo what?

[Lurikeen]

Trump supporters should know they are supporting a neo-fascist. Trump is a left-winger who has no interest in anything other than "winning" for himself.

What a horrible election cycle. A socialist in Sanders and and Nazi in Trump.

http://i.imgur.com/0T1liZf.jpg

[Lune]

Bachelors in political science and you don't even know what a fascist is. Where the fuck did you go to school?

I know how much people enjoy calling people they don't like Hitler, but being a racist and a strong nationalist doesn't make you a fascist. Hitler would have viewed Trump with contempt as a disgusting materialistic capitalist and likely in cahoots with pesky Jew Bolsheviks. Don't forget Hitler and his government ultimately wanted to build a welfare state, with universal healthcare, pensions, massive public works projects, land reform, aid for the impoverished, and cultural engineering designed to promote cohesion, compassion, and sympathy between "true Germans". The extent of Hitler's appreciation for free market economics was his respect for social Darwinism. Beyond that, private enterprise was wholly subservient to the interests of the German state if it was deemed 'parasitic' instead of 'productive'.

A real Fascist or Nazi candidate would be if you mixed Bernie Sanders and Trump, and you got someone who was more socialist than Bernie Sanders, and more ethnocentric/white-nationalist than Trump. And also wanted to murder all the Mexicans and then conquer Mexico.

It's also hilarious that conservatives have become so fucking conservative that Trump is viewed as 'left-wing'. Yes, he is much further to the left than conservatives are now, but at this point so is Ronald Reagan for fuck's sake.

[Hastley]

Winner of SC.

[Pokesan]

I waver between voting Bernie or Trump. In my heart I hope I have the courage to vote Trump when the election comes, may Allah grant me the strength.

http://i.imgur.com/ucNtabE.gif

[Lurikeen]

Bachelors in political science and you don't even know what a fascist is. Where the fuck did you go to school?

I know how much people enjoy calling people they don't like Hitler, but being a racist and a strong nationalist doesn't make you a fascist. Hitler would have viewed Trump with contempt as a disgusting materialistic capitalist and likely in cahoots with pesky Jew Bolsheviks. Don't forget Hitler and his government ultimately wanted to build a welfare state, with universal healthcare, pensions, massive public works projects, land reform, aid for the impoverished, and cultural engineering designed to promote cohesion, compassion, and sympathy between "true Germans". The extent of Hitler's appreciation for free market economics was his respect for social Darwinism. Beyond that, private enterprise was wholly subservient to the interests of the German state if it was deemed 'parasitic' instead of 'productive'.

A real Fascist or Nazi candidate would be if you mixed Bernie Sanders and Trump, and you got someone who was more socialist than Bernie Sanders, and more ethnocentric/white-nationalist than Trump. And also wanted to murder all the Mexicans and then conquer Mexico.

It's also hilarious that conservatives have become so fucking conservative that Trump is viewed as 'left-wing'. Yes, he is much further to the left than conservatives are now, but at this point so is Ronald Reagan for fuck's sake.

Wow. You're an angry old guy, aren't you?

Let me fill you in on a few points and maybe you can understand them?

It doesn't matter if Hitler would've looked down upon Trump. That is a pretty stupid argument as a matter of fact. Hitler looked down even on other NAZI party members. He had some of them murdered. Of course, history isn't your strong suit, so how would you have known?

Your third paragraph is simply incoherent. If I didn't know better you've had a few Tom Collins too many, or whatever your favorite drink you imbibe in.

Your last paragraph is absolutely laughable. Coming from a socialist, who wrongly thinks Germany is a socialist state to be admired, you can't discern conservative principles in any other way, since they are all so far removed to the right of you. I mean, gosh, it could very well be that Trump is a leftist to your right and he would certainly look like a Reagan from where you sit.

Did you have anything else you wanted to share?

[Daywolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3eicA_ZFQ
:(

[Lune]

Wow. You're an angry old guy, aren't you?

Let me fill you in on a few points and maybe you can understand them?

It doesn't matter if Hitler would've looked down upon Trump. That is a pretty stupid argument as a matter of fact. Hitler looked down even on other NAZI party members. He had some of them murdered. Of course, history isn't your strong suit, so how would you have known?

Your third paragraph is simply incoherent. If I didn't know better you've had a few Tom Collins too many, or whatever your favorite drink you imbibe in.

Your last paragraph is absolutely laughable. Coming from a socialist, who wrongly thinks Germany is a socialist state to be admired, you can't discern conservative principles in any other way, since they are all so far removed to the right of you. I mean, gosh, it could very well be that Trump is a leftist to your right and he would certainly look like a Reagan from where you sit.

Did you have anything else you wanted to share?

Hitler looking down on Trump is incidental and is hardly my argument.

My argument consisted of me defining what Fascism actually is to you because you clearly have no idea in spite of paying tens of thousands of dollars for a degree on the subject.

Also I never said Germany was socialist, they aren't. But should we be more like Germany? Absolutely. Your average German citizen is happier, healthier, and just generally better off than your average American citizen. I mean they actually exercise political control over their own government, that's a plus, right?

[Lurikeen]

My argument consisted of me defining what Fascism actually is...

Well, no, you failed to do so. That was my point which you failed to get.

Was there something intelligible you wanted to say? Obviously you THINK you know what you're talking about, but I haven't seen someone who is so arrogantly mistaken as yourself.

I don't mind listening, but don't expect the guy with the four year poly-sci degree to cut someone as arrogant as you slack.

Edit: I suppose I should answer your confused question. You ask, " I mean they actually exercise political control over their own government, that's a plus, right?" Yes, ALL governments "exercise political control over their own government" that is what governments do there champ. Did you have another "tautological question" to ask in your effort to look smart? If so, I'll come back in some hours from now and check it out. Peace, dude. :)

[Pokesan]

Lurikeen rustled like the Strassers

[Pokesan]

Is a poli-sci degree from Kentucky Mountain Bible College worth the same as any degree from whatever school Lune went to? feels like bush league vs ivy league right now

[Lune]

Edit: I suppose I should answer your confused question. You ask, " I mean they actually exercise political control over their own government, that's a plus, right?" Yes, ALL governments "exercise political control over their own government" that is what governments do there champ. Did you have another "tautological question" to ask in your effort to look smart? If so, I'll come back in some hours from now and check it out. Peace, dude. :)

You think I'm asking whether their government controls itself? You need to challenge yourself more; if you're going to invent questions for yourself, invent harder ones.

Let's think about that one for a minute.

What would someone mean when they say "they actually exercise political control over their own government." I don't know, the German people maybe? And that's in direct contrast to the United States whose government answers primarily to the wealthy and powerful, and basic political representation has become dangerously meddled by gerrymandering, apathy, cynicism, tribalism, and the buying of politicians.

TL;DR if you still don't get it: Your average German citizen has more political power than your average American citizen.

[Raev]

Don't forget Hitler and his government ultimately wanted to build a welfare state, with universal healthcare, pensions, massive public works projects, land reform, aid for the impoverished, and cultural engineering designed to promote cohesion, compassion, and sympathy between "true Germans".

How do you know this isn't Trump? He has yet to propose any significant policies. In fact, I suspect after Trump and Clinton win their respective primaries Trump will tag Bernie as his VP. It's an obvious win for both of them: Bernie will get his socialist agenda (which probably appeals to Trump anyway) and Trump will win the election in a landslide and see his face on televisions everywhere.

I mean they actually exercise political control over their own government, that's a plus, right?
I think you would have had a better argument before Merkel invited a million Syrians into Germany. Europe is a powder keg right now.

[Lune]

I think you would have had a better argument before Merkel invited a million Syrians into Germany. Europe is a powder keg right now.

Seeing hordes of refugees misbehaving in the streets is shocking and powerful, but have you been in Compton, East LA, or the slums of Baltimore lately? We're not much better off.

I don't know the statistics (http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/United-States/Crime) but I'd bet $50 their violent crime rate won't surpass ours in the next 100 years, even if you include terror attacks.

Merkel betraying Germany on a single issue is a lot different than complete, systemic failure of the US political process.

[Raev]

Far be it from me to defend the US political process, which mostly involves bankers pillaging the country. I just think you are hugely underestimating Europe's problems.

[maerilith]

I say freelance and be free. it's the capitalist way.

no capitalist would bet on trump

only entrenched oligarchy and ignorant useful idiots

[Jorgam]

Up until now I've agreed with Trump on most everything. His ideas are brash and bold, but we need to fix our fucked up country. You don't fix fucked up things with sensitivity and coddling.

That said, his stance on this case of Apple vs DoJ and FBI is completely wrong! His position that Apple should be forced to defeat their encryption for the likes of an abusive DoJ and FBI like we have is so fucked. A smart man like Trump should recognize the peril that setting this precedent and inventing this tech would bring about.

I will be considering this a great length before I cast a vote for him for Prez, which until now I was completely on board with doing.

Btw, I hate Apple products and have for years, so I'm not an Apple fanboi.

[Pokesan]

Up until now I've agreed with Trump on most everything. His ideas are brash and bold, but we need to fix our fucked up country. You don't fix fucked up things with sensitivity and coddling.

That said, his stance on this case of Apple vs DoJ and FBI is completely wrong! His position that Apple should be forced to defeat their encryption for the likes of an abusive DoJ and FBI like we have is so fucked. A smart man like Trump should recognize the peril that setting this precedent and inventing this tech would bring about.

I will be considering this a great length before I cast a vote for him for Prez, which until now I was completely on board with doing.

Btw, I hate Apple products and have for years, so I'm not an Apple fanboi.

source your quotes

[Jorgam]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/politics/donald-trump-apple-boycott/

http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/19/donald-trump-weighs-in/

[Pokesan]

personally i think the government should be stronger than corporations

just my opinion as an american patriot

[Jorgam]

personally i think the government should be stronger than corporations

just my opinion as an american patriot

If the government was run by angels, but it isn't.

Being a sucker and pawn for big brother's power hunger is not patriotic. That's my opinion.

[iruinedyourday]

If the government was run by angels, but it isn't.

it could be if you supported Bernie Sanders :cool:

[maerilith]

Everyone you may vote for will try to expand government power. no one anywhere near being nominated is going to return us to the days of bonanza and Clint Eastwood. or possibly could.

[iruinedyourday]

Everyone you may vote for will try to expand government power. no one anywhere near being nominated is going to return us to the days of bonanza and Clint Eastwood. or possibly could.

republicans expand it at an INSANE rate compared to Democrats, its just they expand it by buying more guns and getting us involved in more no end wars and police operations...

while they remove all sense of stability here in the US in order to fear you into voting for them again and again.

[Jorgam]

it could be if you supported Bernie Sanders :cool:
Bernie Sanders is no doubt a nice guy, but his positions and solutions to problems are not the ones for me.

I just hope you D's don't get stuck with Hillary the Wretched!

Great news for R's just recently broke tough. Jeb Bush has suspended his campaign! Very pleased about it.

[JackFlash]

Is a poli-sci degree from Kentucky Mountain Bible College worth the same as any degree from whatever school Lune went to? feels like bush league vs ivy league right now

[Pokesan]

If the government was run by angels, but it isn't.

Being a sucker and pawn for big brother's power hunger is not patriotic. That's my opinion.

you'd trust the private sector more? fucking you is a big part of their bottom line

what an unbelievably stupid response

[Jorgam]

you'd trust the private sector more? fucking you is a big part of their bottom line

what an unbelievably stupid response

And the government isn't fucking you? You obviously don't know anything about the world you live in.

I never said the private sector was trustworthy and angelic. However, on this issue, I'm with Apple. If you think for a second that what the DoJ and FBI want from Apple won't be used against the people, you're moronic.

[iruinedyourday]

And the government isn't fucking you? You obviously don't know anything about the world you live in.

the gov def does not fuck or has not fucked anyone anywhere near as bad as every corperation has in the last YEAR alone combined.

so this is a outright oblivious thing to say.

not to mention you have lost all hope in the political process if you think the voting that is designed to remove people who are fucking you over doesnt work.. which makes me wonder, why have an opinion at all?

[Jorgam]

the gov def does not fuck or has not fucked anyone anywhere near as bad as every corperation has in the last YEAR alone combined.

so this is a outright oblivious thing to say.

not to mention you have lost all hope in the political process if you think the voting that is designed to remove people who are fucking you over doesnt work.. which makes me wonder, why have an opinion at all?

So you buy nothing from any company then I guess? The Government fucks people over all the time.

The system does work, for some. The system is not timely enough for others and accountability is rare.

[iruinedyourday]

So you buy nothing from any company then I guess? The Government fucks people over all the time.

The system does work, for some. The system is not timely enough for others and accountability is rare.

holy shit you must be fucking 90 years old if you think boycotting works for anything but the local fucking hardware store idiot.

[iruinedyourday]

Tell me how comcast cares about you cutting your cord 10 years ago?

[xaxis]

I can't. I just can't. This thread is making me twitch...

[Jorgam]

holy shit you must be fucking 90 years old if you think boycotting works for anything but the local fucking hardware store idiot.

You sound upset lol.

Back to the actual subject, the Government is wrong on this one and that's my opinion. I'm not as excited to give up my rights as you seem to be.

[iruinedyourday]

You sound upset lol.

Back to the actual subject, the Government is wrong on this one and that's my opinion. I'm not as excited to give up my rights as you seem to be.

good thing you have a voice in it, where as if a corporation was wrong you would shutup and like it. ;)

[Lune]

This Jorgam guy was being so lovely and polite and you animals gone done and made him cranky

[iruinedyourday]

This Jorgam guy was being so lovely and polite and you animals gone done and made him cranky

http://i.imgur.com/OZerILd.gif

hehe its what I do to non humanists, u know this lune :)

[Jorgam]

good thing you have a voice in it, where as if a corporation was wrong you would shutup and like it. ;)

Not entirely true. You can choose to deal with and do business with a company or not and money is a compelling force to drive change. Excluding when there is a monopoly. You're required to deal with the government.

[barrettdc1]

spoiler alert, the FBI can crack an iPhones decryption and they can do so without a court order. It's not legal, but it happens. This whole boycott on Apple is just a publicity stunt.

[Jorgam]

spoiler alert, the FBI can crack an iPhones decryption and they can do so without a court order. It's not legal, but it happens. This whole boycott on Apple is just a publicity stunt.

For Trump, yes it is.

For the FBI, it is to set legal precedent and expand their powers over the 4th amendment. As well as forcing a private company to pay for the development of a spy system for them. They don't give a shit about the data on this work Iphone imo.

[Raev]

you'd trust the private sector more? fucking you is a big part of their bottom line

what an unbelievably stupid response

No, what's unbelievably stupid is you expecting that the government is somehow on your side and not with the bankers.

[iruinedyourday]

Not entirely true. You can choose to deal with and do business with a company or not and money is a compelling force to drive change. Excluding when there is a monopoly. You're required to deal with the government.

you feeling good that you arnt contributing to comcast isnt changing internet speeds for the better for you EVER

















Guess who will change them for the better?







THE GOV LOL

[Jorgam]

Guess who will change them for the better?

THE GOV LOL

Sure they will.

[iruinedyourday]

Actually ill give you this one, for now. but only with an interesting argument for the libertarian.

technically we would have much faster internet in the states if it wasn't for some age old bureaucratic nonsense about building infrastructure. If a corporation supplies something for public use, a road, lights, or in this case the Internet, they have to prove that what they supply will last for a long time at least many many years. This was to ensure infrastructure projects would be built to stand the test of time and not be a cash and grab for greedy industrialists.

Thats where google comes in, they are a company that like to build things that dont last and supply short term solutions. That way they can always supply the most modern technology. This ideal contradicts ideals of yore and in the case of providing highspeed wi-fi to everyone at free to low cost clashed. Google would be forced to build infrastructure that would last many years when what it would rather do is fly a bunch of weather balloons in the air to provide internet, or any other short term solution.

So thats part of the many reasons we dont have the best internet speeds in the US. Theres many more but thats just a case where the argument for less governmental control could be made.

I prefer an argument that the governmental control that once worked very well, and resulted in the best infrastructure in the entire world, could once again do that if updated to be more in line with progressive standards.

tl;dr sometimes good government policies age poorly, the case for the argument is we can be involved in that if we want to be but with a corporation remember, whatever they want to do, you do.

[Lurikeen]

You think I'm asking whether their government controls itself? You need to challenge yourself more; if you're going to invent questions for yourself, invent harder ones.

Let's think about that one for a minute.

What would someone mean when they say "they actually exercise political control over their own government." I don't know, the German people maybe? And that's in direct contrast to the United States whose government answers primarily to the wealthy and powerful, and basic political representation has become dangerously meddled by gerrymandering, apathy, cynicism, tribalism, and the buying of politicians.

TL;DR if you still don't get it: Your average German citizen has more political power than your average American citizen.

No, I get it. "Know it alls" such as yourself have a difficult time letting go of even the most ridiculous assertions and will continue to defend them so as to appear "smart."

The solution for your envy is to move to Deutschland and gain citizenship. Do the rest of us a favor and stop trying to make the USA your idealistic, European, world. Have a nice day.

[Barkingturtle]

No, I get it. "Know it alls" such as yourself have a difficult time letting go of even the most ridiculous assertions and will continue to defend them so as to appear "smart."

Nah, you definitely don't get it. You read at a level below that at which Lune writes. You have consistently misinterpreted his words since his first post in this thread. You've even called him incoherent when he's been expressing himself perfectly clearly. His grasp of the language simply exceeds yours. Hell, in some instances you've even failed to understand the words you yourself are using. Anyone reading this thread has already seen it. It's embarrassing. I feel bad for your mother. You seem dumb, friend, really fucking dumb -- and no amount of projection will fix this.

[Raev]

Your average German citizen is happier, healthier, and just generally better off than your average American citizen. I mean they actually exercise political control over their own government, that's a plus, right?

I don't think this statement is factually correct (the German government is currently fucking over its citizens by inviting millions of Syrians in and paying for their food and lodging), enlightening (if the Germans have more control over their government, it's probably because Germany is smaller and, until recently, more culturally homogeneous), or grammatically correct (it's a runon sentence) but it is completely coherent.

[Lune]

I don't think this statement is factually correct (the German government is currently fucking over its citizens by inviting millions of Syrians in and paying for their food and lodging), enlightening (if the Germans have more control over their government, it's probably because Germany is smaller and, until recently, more culturally homogeneous), or grammatically correct (it's a runon sentence) but it is completely coherent.

As much as I disagree with the policy, I'm not sure I'd agree that Germany inviting in what amounts to 1.25% of its population completely fucks over the country to the extent that it's suddenly not "happier and healthier (http://i.imgur.com/dzZmp9n.jpg)" than the US. It's still a drop in the bucket compared to the parallel societies we have going here in the US. Yes, 'happier' isn't a rigorous term, I'm only using it as a synthesis of all the various metrics for human welfare in which Germany surpasses the USA (HDI, GINI, life expectancy, education, corruption, social mobility, etc).

With regard to differences between the political systems of USA and Germany... it's complicated. Our problems date back to the 1700's and profound cultural and ideological differences between segments of our population, and it's an oversimplification of me to say "If we want to improve our political process, we should just copy Germany!". It's apples and oranges. But I do believe we have good options on the table, stuff like WolfPAC and real campaign finance / gerrymandering reform, and when I say we should be more like Germany, I mean we should fix our system so it works as well as theirs, not emulate their political process. I'm not convinced representative democracy can't work with 300 million people but can with 80 or 127 million. Heterogeneity is a real problem though.

That said, Germany is by no means perfect, and I think I use European systems too much as a way to demonstrate more leftist policies producing better outcomes. It's obviously a flawed and tired approach and there are dozens of things you can justifiably nitpick about it. It's just lazy.

[Jorgam]

I've got family in Bavaria. There are a lot of small towns in Germany still and when you drop 7k Syrians in a town that formerly had 1,500 living in it.. well it's going to obliterate the native culture. 7k Syrians in Berlin would be a drop in the bucket with minimal alteration to the parent culture.

[maerilith]

I've got family in Bavaria. There are a lot of small towns in Germany still and when you drop 7k Syrians in a town that formerly had 1,500 living in it.. well it's going to obliterate the native culture. 7k Syrians in Berlin would be a drop in the bucket with minimal alteration to the parent culture.

I don't think anyone sane would consider dropping 7k syrians on a town of 1500 with a totally alien culture.

[Lune]

I don't think anyone sane would consider dropping 7k syrians on a town of 1500 with a totally alien culture.

May not be sane, but I think it happens (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/world/europe/german-village-of-102-braces-for-750-asylum-seekers.html).

[Jorgam]

May not be sane, but I think it happens (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/world/europe/german-village-of-102-braces-for-750-asylum-seekers.html).

Yep, and if you even notice, let alone speak out about the fact that your culture is going to be destroyed, you are labeled a racist and xenophobe.

[maerilith]

Yep, and if you even notice, let alone speak out about the fact that your culture is going to be destroyed, you are labeled a racist and xenophobe.

Shit I saw this scenario on a TV show and dismissed it as fictional 'what if'. I'm totally for stopping shit like that. :mad:

Apparently some rich guy with a lot of money went around rounding up gang members from cali and dumped the in SLC valley to see what would happen. And a gang free city became a city with gangs.

[Jorgam]

Shit I saw this scenario on a TV show and dismissed it as fictional 'what if'. I'm totally for stopping shit like that. :mad:

Yeah it is really sad what is happening there. Germans are really kind and german culture is interesting and proud! I only hope that they can stop this forced immigration of completely opposing cultures before it is too late.

[Kyff]

What you and a lot of Germans don't understand is than Chancellor Merkel fucked the country over ages ago when she pushed for a Greece bailout against the existing EU treaties and against everything that was promised when the Euro was founded. Now she is simply appliying the existing laws, the Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the German constitution in granting political asylum to all people wrongly persecuted.

On the other hand all diehards who contra legem argue for a closing of the borders always fail to explain how this could be accomplished without a bloodbath when droves of desperate people are trying to get inside.

[Lune]

What you and a lot of Germans don't understand is than Chancellor Merkel fucked the country over ages ago when she pushed for a Greece bailout against the existing EU treaties and against everything that was promised when the Euro was founded. Now she is simply appliying the existing laws, the Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the German constitution in granting political asylum to all people wrongly persecuted.

On the other hand all diehards who contra legem argue for a closing of the borders always fail to explain how this could be accomplished without a bloodbath when droves of desperate people are trying to get inside.

I'd like to remind you that a large proportion of those inundating Germany are not Syrian refugees, but economic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html) migrants (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/26/60-of-refugees-are-really-economic-migrants-says-dutch-eu-commissioner/) from West/North Africa, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

And it could be accomplished by not supplying them with economic benefits, housing, and jobs, and instead rewarding them with deportations. There is a reason these people are heading for Germany and not settling in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic, or Poland.

If the German people want to be compassionate and help Syrian refugees, that is their prerogative. But 1 million+ is likely too many to integrate and assimilate without the formation of insular immigrant communities cloistered away into a parallel society. Germany is already a tiny country, roughly the size of Nevada, stuffed with 80 million people.

[Kyff]

I'd like to remind you that a large proportion of those inundating Germany are not Syrian refugees, but economic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html) migrants (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/26/60-of-refugees-are-really-economic-migrants-says-dutch-eu-commissioner/) from West/North Africa, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

And it could be accomplished by not supplying them with economic benefits, housing, and jobs, and instead rewarding them with deportations. There is a reason these people are heading for Germany and not settling in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic, or Poland.

If the German people want to be compassionate and help Syrian refugees, that is their prerogative. But 1 million+ is likely too many to integrate and assimilate without the formation of insular immigrant communities cloistered away into a parallel society. Germany is already a tiny country, roughly the size of Nevada, stuffed with 80 million people.

Thank you but I don't need the reminder. It's just my opinion that the economic migrants should be identified in due process by the authorities and finally the courts and not by the border guards or the press or the populace or whatever you suggest.

Also I don't know what the alternative to providing food and shelter should be. Have them fend for themselves living on the streets? You sure would like that. You can't deport them if they have the right to stay under the constitution. Finding out who falls under this category on an individual basis takes time and effort as I said above.

To open up another layer in this problem the "support" does not end up with the refugees. They get the bare necessities to survive whereas the big money ends up in the pockets of the Germans who provide the food and shelter at ridiculously overpriced rates.

[iruinedyourday]

the world should get together and give everyone on earth a basic income and everyone could live happily ever after.

[Tasslehofp99]

lol @ people thinking republicans and democrats are any different from eachother, also lol @ people who think either side gives a shit about americans

[sOurDieSel]

Ahhh, the poor lil rapeugees just want free gibsmedat and whitewomanz and all you evil racist xenophoic nazis want to hog it all for yourselves... SMH

[iruinedyourday]

lol @ people thinking republicans and democrats are any different from eachother, also lol @ people who think either side gives a shit about americans

They are pretty close, here's the breakdown I was thinking about last night:

Dems/repubs (voters, not registered voters, but votes aka candidates) make up 100% of the voters in the USA right now. But theyre split down the middle, 50% are republican, 50% are democrats. Let's split those halfs, into quarters:

50% of the republican half of the pie are racists that hate muslims and well pretty much every minority. The other 50% are registered Independents, and in reality aren't that different from the middle of the road democrat, that we'll get to next.

50% of the Democrats half are that middle of the road normal human being that the aforementioned half of the republican party is. They want jobs, progress and sensible money management. They don't agree on all social issues with the republican quarter mind you that's what separates them from each other. Neither side in these groups however, vote only on behalf of those social issues.

The other 50% of the democratic party are a bunch of closet racits that voted for Hope & Change not becuse they wanted hope and change, but becuse they thought voting for a black man would be cool and modern. That just like their defense of their racial positions could be made by saying, 'I have a black friend!' they can now say, 'We have a black president, we're not racist!'

TL;DR 50% of both parties are racists fuckwits, and 50% of both parties are cool & normal with different opinions on social issues that don't really matter to them politically, anyway.

IF that middle of the road 50% could vote for Bernie, we'd be able to make some real progress.

We need a 3rd party in this country. Write him in, fuck it. Let one 25% fight it out with the other 25% while the middle 50% just, get the fuck on with life.

[Lune]

lol @ people thinking republicans and democrats are any different from eachother, also lol @ people who think either side gives a shit about americans

The fact that they are both corrupt and shitty doesn't mean they aren't different from each other. It's like the choice between drinking beer and piss. One of them is gonna get you drunk and cause you to fuck things up and kill your liver. The other is just going to fuck you up. We should be drinking healthy vegetable smoothies like Bernie Sanders.

[iruinedyourday]

Im reposting cus lune burried my post! THIS IS MY BEST POST LUNE BEST POST EVER!

lol @ people thinking republicans and democrats are any different from eachother, also lol @ people who think either side gives a shit about americans

They are pretty close, here's the breakdown I was thinking about last night:

Dems/repubs (voters, not registered voters, but votes aka candidates) make up 100% of the voters in the USA right now. But theyre split down the middle, 50% are republican, 50% are democrats. Let's split those halfs, into quarters:

50% of the republican half of the pie are racists that hate muslims and well pretty much every minority. The other 50% are registered Independents, and in reality aren't that different from the middle of the road democrat, that we'll get to next.

50% of the Democrats half are that middle of the road normal human being that the aforementioned half of the republican party is. They want jobs, progress and sensible money management. They don't agree on all social issues with the republican quarter mind you that's what separates them from each other. Neither side in these groups however, vote only on behalf of those social issues.

The other 50% of the democratic party are a bunch of closet racits that voted for Hope & Change not becuse they wanted hope and change, but becuse they thought voting for a black man would be cool and modern. That just like their defense of their racial positions could be made by saying, 'I have a black friend!' they can now say, 'We have a black president, we're not racist!'

TL;DR 50% of both parties are racists fuckwits, and 50% of both parties are cool & normal with different opinions on social issues that don't really matter to them politically, anyway.

IF that middle of the road 50% could vote for Bernie, we'd be able to make some real progress.

We need a 3rd party in this country. Write him in, fuck it. Let one 25% fight it out with the other 25% while the middle 50% just, get the fuck on with life.

[iruinedyourday]

I made a chart!

http://i.imgur.com/oUigyC9.png

Truth is, the independants of the country are the most powerful but they're too busy thinking they are enemies though to get any real change to happen.

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/1oAW4VH.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/oUigyC9.png

What you’ve just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having looked at it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[iruinedyourday]

lol kaga's gf musta dumped him cus he is MAD

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Making a pop culture reference = mad now. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c)

Noted.

No wonder you progressives are so hellbent on eliminating comedy as a medium, you have no clue.

[Daywolf]

I made a chart!

http://i.imgur.com/oUigyC9.png

Truth is, the independants of the country are the most powerful but they're too busy thinking they are enemies though to get any real change to happen.

http://i.imgur.com/7mCiLHQ.gif

:rolleyes:

[iruinedyourday]

Making a pop culture reference = mad now. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c)

Noted.

No wonder you progressives are so hellbent on eliminating comedy as a medium, you have no clue.

i just figured you finally snapped.

[Pokesan]

Making a pop culture reference = mad now. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c)

Noted.

No wonder you progressives are so hellbent on eliminating comedy as a medium, you have no clue.

adam sandler movies aren't comedy though?

:confused:

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

adam sandler movies aren't comedy though?

:confused:

I'm not a fan in general but it's a funny scene.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm not a fan in general but it's a funny post.

hehe thanks kaga, im glad you enjoyed my contributions to the conversation today.

[maerilith]

I made a chart!

http://i.imgur.com/oUigyC9.png

Truth is, the independants of the country are the most powerful but they're too busy thinking they are enemies though to get any real change to happen.

lol'd funny fact

that chart has been accurate since people could vote in this country xD

[iruinedyourday]

It makes me think if we had an actual 3rd party, they'd win every single fucking time.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It makes me think if we had an actual 3rd party, they'd win every single fucking time.

Yea because independent voters are a single homogeneous group.

[iruinedyourday]

Yea because independent voters are a single homogeneous group.

you and i have the exact same plans for voting in 2016 and we hate everything eachother stands for so idk what you dont understand.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

you and i have the exact same plans for voting in 2016 and we hate everything eachother stands for so idk what you dont understand.

I don't hate all of what you stand for. I hate how you stand for it. I hate the people you support who stand in a similar way.

I hate equality of outcome being favored over equality of opportunity.
I hate feelings being given more weight than the facts.
I hate the double think that people use to justify removing the basic freedoms we hold dear.
I hate the hypocrisy that feeds into the idea that "there are no bad tactics only bad targets".

[iruinedyourday]

Ok this is hillarious, in the interest of reminding us all that we're mostly in that middle of the road indipendant, not different frmo eachother at all (idk why im proud of being like kaga) i want to point out how we are so alike, we post basically exactly the same.

here is a post kaga just made:

I don't hate all of what you stand for. I hate how you stand for it. I hate the people you support who stand in a similar way.

I hate equality of outcome being favored over equality of opportunity.
I hate feelings being given more weight than the facts.
I hate the double think that people use to justify removing the basic freedoms we hold dear.
I hate the hypocrisy that feeds into the idea that "there are no bad tactics only bad targets".

Here is a post I made like a year and a half ago:



I hate when people say someone is evil for doing one thing, while they themselves are doing the same thing.
I hate that this very thread is full of blind rage against Muslims. v

I also hate bigotry and people that use it as a way to attack and harm other people.

I hate people that trick other people into doing things even more.



Now kaga, if this is indeed true:

I don't hate all of what you stand for. I hate how you stand for it.

if your posts are the same as mine, then you just hated on YOURSELF!

http://i.imgur.com/1oAW4VH.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Those two posts are nothing alike. You're inane and insane

[maskedmelon]

The real problem with political discourse is that people regularly try to jam it under a dichotomous lens when in fact relevant issues are multi-dimensional. As Kaga pointed out most of us agree on many of the same principles. We just don't share an understanding of the facts, or the appropriate vehicles to effect the desired outcomes. C'est la vie

[maerilith]

I'm not doing it, I'm never going to do it (run the country myself), might as well vote my values. Which are not "racist" as poor delusional kagaservatives think. (Contrary to popular belief I want white men 2 do well, would like to meet a nice white man doing well who's not a complete fay-gate)

But the world isn't keeping the white man down it may "seem" like that but white mens have plenty of opportunity, but they want to fucking smoke marijuana and drink beer and be retard men along with the mexican men doing the same.

If you want to seize some opportunity Kaga stop posting here and GET A FUCKING LIFE OUTSIDE OF TEARING DOWN OTHER PEOPLE.

Me i'm happy to come here, be a retard, vent, and feel vindicated when I see people like you go full retard.

P.S. IRLs i'm an uplifting and calm individual. Somehow I can't get it out of my head that you're a raving lunatic Kaga, this is why I'm trying to troll u into seeking halp.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Seize what opportunity? I'm gainfully employed, own property and am engaged.

My passtimes include but are not limited to tossing shit on the internet. I want to protect my ability to do that so (on the internet) I tend to focus on that. Don't like it? Thatswhyimhappyandyoureoffended.png

Also, what's a kagaservative? That implies that anyone who isn't a member of the regressive left is a 'conservative'. Are you falling for the false dichotomy as well?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

In other news, MSM will be silent about this. Mark my words. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/23/arrest-made-of-black-lives-matter-thugs-who-robbed-and-beat-marine-veteran/)

[iruinedyourday]

In other news, MSM will be silent about this. Mark my words. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/23/arrest-made-of-black-lives-matter-thugs-who-robbed-and-beat-marine-veteran/)

this guy says all he's for is free speech but he will stop at nothing to silence the minority voice. Including sharing irrelevant information that means nothing.

call me when the black lives mater movement is a movement for and by these two random non factors.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

this guy says all he's for is free speech but he will stop at nothing to silence the minority voice. Including sharing irrelevant information that means nothing.

call me when the black lives mater movement is a movement for and by these two random non factors.

If the roles were reversed and 2 non-factor klan members walked up to a black vet and beat the shit out of him for responding 'yes' to the same question it would be front page news and would get 72 hours on CNN/MSNBC followed by a speech about it by Obama at an impromptu press conference.

[Whirled]

sad but true^

[iruinedyourday]

If the roles were reversed and 2 non-factor klan members walked up to a black vet and beat the shit out of him for responding 'yes' to the same question it would be front page news and would get 72 hours on CNN/MSNBC followed by a speech about it by Obama at an impromptu press conference.

BLM is NOT and nor will it EVER be anywhere near coparable to the KKK you fucking moran.

[Daywolf]

In other news, MSM will be silent about this. Mark my words. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/23/arrest-made-of-black-lives-matter-thugs-who-robbed-and-beat-marine-veteran/)
Yep, damn despicable https://youtu.be/mHKkmQW4do8
:mad:
Not just caught, but put up on charges of sedition, pre-meditative attempted murder and under the assertion of a violent hate crime. Life in prison w/o the possibility of parole. This is what prisons were actually built for.

[iruinedyourday]

God forbid you guys be this upset about white collar crime that affects you daily.

[maerilith]

God forbid you guys be this upset about white collar crime that affects you daily.

I get upset when I have to redo my nail polish.

[Whirled]

Amazing what some do with freedom.
Drop them into Al-Raqqah & Pay per view it for all to show we dont take kindly to terroristic behavior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ALyqfv1QI

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

BLM is NOT and nor will it EVER be anywhere near coparable to the KKK you fucking moran.

You're right, the last violent act linked to the KKK was sometime in the 1960s, they've only demonstrated/fundraised/protested peacefully for half a century. Unlike BLM who's burned down big chunks of 3 cities in the past 2 years.

[Pokesan]

finally someone speaks up for the white supremacists

[iruinedyourday]

You're right, the last violent act linked to the KKK was sometime in the 1960s, they've only demonstrated/fundraised/protested peacefully for half a century. Unlike BLM who's burned down big chunks of 3 cities in the past 2 years.

You're not winning any arguments here kiddo this is jr high school level debate.

[maskedmelon]

No, Kaga has a very valid point. The appropriate response of any decent human being to random acts of violence is "That is deplorable and something I would never condone." Throwing out examples of other bad stuff doesn't make anything else less bad. It can provide perspective, but should never be utilized to excuse bad stuff.

[maskedmelon]

finally someone speaks up for the white supremacists

Also missed this one.

Alright then, let's have a show of hands. Who here supports, defends or speaks on behalf of white supremacists?


Anyone?

[Pokesan]

Kagatob just did, you idiot

[maskedmelon]

No he didn't that was the purpose of the question. Idiot.









*sniffles*

[Pokesan]

did too

[Daywolf]

/emote slaps Pokesans elbow from one of the back row desks causing his hand to fling up into the air

Oh, you said "white"...

You can put your hand back down ...Pokesan?

[iruinedyourday]

No, Kaga has a very valid point. The appropriate response of any decent human being to random acts of violence is "That is deplorable and something I would never condone." Throwing out examples of other bad stuff doesn't make anything else less bad. It can provide perspective, but should never be utilized to excuse bad stuff.

no he has no valid point ill tell you why.

what is kaga trying to accomplish here? He only shares links of random acts of violence when it involves a BLM related title.

He has no interest in stopping random acts of violence, or isnt even appalled by random acts of violence.

his only goal is to insinuate that the BLM movement is a movement of violent criminals only, that there is no positive message that happens to be supported occasionally (and not unlike ANYTHING else in the universe) by people that you may or may not agree with or may or may not be violent or may or may not be criminals.

Its like putting, 'man who likes mcdonalds attacks random lady at bus stop' with the intent of attacking mcdonalds, not the person committing the crime.

If you really had a problem with the crime, you would have only posted bout the crime. Not tried to use it as an excuse to say something totally unrelated to the crime itself.

[Pokesan]

i'm just saying individual actions invalidate a groups political ideas

[Daywolf]

But they mentioned the BLM before the attack. The guy was just minding his own business. This is a hateful attack, based on race alone, because the guy has a different pigmentation than them. But of course not just that, but ideology, racism as it's called. They were "racists", how can this fact be traversed around? Just post a meme, K? IRYD?

Racist for pointing out racism. k... :/
And yeah, I'd say BLM is no different than the KKK, both are wrong. It's just the KKK is content to just rather think and speak now, while the BLM is out there terrorizing Amaricans with violence.

See this is where you and FP could have really gotten into things, almost like two sides of the same coin :o
I'm saying "almost", rather than saying it directly, leaving a level of latitude to not be apparently so, either of you.

[maskedmelon]

Its like putting, 'man who likes mcdonalds attacks random lady at bus stop' with the intent of attacking mcdonalds, not the person committing the crime.


You mean like holding up an abortion clinic shooter as a model of conservatism?

Or labeling all republicans as hateful?

I see your point, but the problem with BLM is that this sort of thing seems to be a regular occurrence. No other group in recent American history has engaged in the mass organized violence as this one.

You could be right. Maybe it is just a few bad apples. BLM leaders need speak up though and set themselves apart not tweet shit like "fuck Paris" after 130 of their countrymen were slain by madmen.

[maskedmelon]

The other problem with shouting "black lives matter" is that black youth might start to think they don't and then you end up with more situations like this where you have confused fearful kids lashing out angrily, further tarnishing the organization/cause.

Everybody already agrees that black lives matter; no less and no more than any other life.

[Pokesan]

The other problem with shouting "black lives matter" is that black youth might start to think they don't and then you end up with more situations like this where you have confused fearful kids lashing out angrily, further tarnishing the organization/cause.

Everybody already agrees that black lives matter; no less and no more than any other life.

Who said only black lives matter, or matter more for that matter?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

finally someone speaks up for the white supremacists

Stating facts about a group is speaking up for them now huh.

Westboro Baptist Church has killed a total of zero homosexuals.

I must be sticking up for them too. :rolleyes:

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Who said only black lives matter, or matter more for that matter?

The black lives matter movement, the mainstream media, the Democratic party, college campuses/administration to name a few.

[Pokesan]

Please examine the context of your earlier comment before authoring another severely stupid post, Kagatob.

[maskedmelon]

Who said only black lives matter, or matter more for that matter?

Who said they don't?

[Pokesan]

Okay.

Would you object to BLACK LIVES MATTER, TOO ?

Because that's the meaning of the slogan.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Please examine the context of your earlier comment before authoring another severely stupid post, Kagatob.

IRYD implied that a non-violent hate group was leaps and bounds worse than a violent hate group. I disagreed. While both groups are despicable, I'd take the non violent hate group over the violent one any day of the week given the choice.

[Pokesan]

IRYD implied that a non-violent hate group was leaps and bounds worse than a violent hate group. I disagreed. While both groups are despicable, I'd take the non violent hate group over the violent one any day of the week given the choice.

I'm aware of what you meant but you still spoke up for the KKK my friend!

Own it.

[maskedmelon]

Okay.

Would you object to BLACK LIVES MATTER, TOO ?

Because that's the meaning of the slogan.


I understand that and that is the point of what I said. Everybody agrees with that. Nobody has said otherwise, so why perpetuate the idea that people think they don't.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Okay.

Would you object to BLACK LIVES MATTER, TOO ?

Because that's the meaning of the slogan.

That may have been the original spirit behind the roots of the movement though honestly considering the less than reputable financial sources of it all its best to remain skeptical of even that.

As it devolved into the hate group that we are all acquainted with now, if what you say is true, there wouldn't be such vehement objection to the reply "all lives matter".

[Pokesan]

Yep everyone agrees.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm aware of what you meant but you still spoke up for the KKK my friend!

Own it.

I speak up for the facts, nuances and context regardless of the subject.

[Pokesan]

"All Lives Matter" dismisses the fact that blacks are more likely to be victimized in our society, particularly to be the victims of homicide. When you say ALM, you are saying that we should ignore the disparity.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

So just to be clear, what you are saying is.

Black lives matter too...

your own words

...because all lives matter

now it's racist

There's a reason that outside of those directly benefiting from this supremacy movement, literally nobody gives a flying fuck.

[maskedmelon]

"All Lives Matter" dismisses the fact that blacks are more likely to be victimized in our society, particularly to be the victims of homicide. When you say ALM, you are saying that we should ignore the disparity.

Now this honestly confuses me. I thought the BLM movement was supposed to be about police brutality. If it is about homicide in general what are they asking for? More policing? What is the goal of the organization? I am going to have to go look this up now.

[iruinedyourday]

You mean like holding up an abortion clinic shooter as a model of conservatism?

Dude one of the republican presidential candidates for the fucking GOP was spreading false information about planned parenthood and encouraged people to act out against abortion clinics.

The DAY a single actual candidate for the democratic party goes out and tells people to attack the police for shootings, then your argument will have a leg to stand on.

Until then you are just wrong to make this comparison.

[Pokesan]

So just to be clear, what you are saying is.

Black lives matter too...

your own words

...because all lives matter

now it's racist

There's a reason that outside of those directly benefiting from this supremacy movement, literally nobody gives a flying fuck.

It's racist because you're saying it in reply, in correction. You can dispute the facts if you like, but to dismiss the movement in spite of them, is a dick move.

[Pokesan]

Dude one of the republican presidential candidates for the fucking GOP was spreading false information about planned parenthood and encouraged people to act out against abortion clinics.

The DAY a single actual candidate for the democratic party goes out and tells people to attack the police for shootings, then your argument will have a leg to stand on.

Until then you are just wrong to make this comparison.

It was awhile ago but Senator Giffords from AZ was shot subsequent to Sarah Palin presenting her and others on a map with crosshairs on their cities to indicate enemy status.

[iruinedyourday]

IRYD implied that a non-violent hate group was leaps and bounds worse than a violent hate group. I disagreed. While both groups are despicable, I'd take the non violent hate group over the violent one any day of the week given the choice.

You know what kaga, fuck off.

[maskedmelon]

Dude one of the republican presidential candidates for the fucking GOP was spreading false information about planned parenthood and encouraged people to act out against abortion clinics.

The DAY a single actual candidate for the democratic party goes out and tells people to attack the police for shootings, then your argument will have a leg to stand on.

Until then you are just wrong to make this comparison.

1. Who said what? (source please)
2. Every candidate disavowed it.
3. This is another example of what's wrong with believing untruths.
4. You are still equating acts of individuals with those of whole groups. No different and I don't blame you tbh. It's natural.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It's racist because you're saying it in reply, in correction. You can dispute the facts if you like, but to dismiss the movement in spite of them, is a dick move.

In spite of what facts? They burn their own neighborhoods down, they shut down highways, they delayed hundreds of flights at an airport, they assault people for no reason whatsoever, they shut down a rally of the only candidate that actually supports their interests.

None of this is in dispute. They've also yet to take a single productive action.

[iruinedyourday]

1. Who said what? (source please)
2. Every candidate disavowed it.
3. This is another example of what's wrong with believing untruths.
4. You are still equating acts of individuals with those of whole groups. No different and I don't blame you tbh. It's natural.

stop. no. you fucking use google and find the answers to your claims ill burn in hell before you dont lift a fucking finger to source any of your shit while demand that I do.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Educate yourself shitlord

Haven't seen that in a while.

[maskedmelon]

stop. no. you fucking use google and find the answers to your claims ill burn in hell before you dont lift a fucking finger to source any of your shit while demand that I do.

Woah, woah, woah, woah, not demanding anything, I requested it (hence the please). You are the one making the claim so burden of proof is on you. I can't acknowledge or refute it without knowing what you are talking about.

[Pokesan]

Woah, woah, woah, woah, not demanding anything, I requested it (hence the please). You are the one making the claim so burden of proof is on you. I can't acknowledge or refute it without knowing what you are talking about.

as referenced in my earlier post. not exactly what you wanted, but it is an example of the practice.

http://i.imgur.com/u4e4iXc.jpg

[maskedmelon]

as referenced in my earlier post. not exactly what you wanted, but it is an example of the practice.

http://i.imgur.com/u4e4iXc.jpg

Thanks, first I've seen of that. While I'd hope we could agree that no rational person would consider this a call to arms, our greatest problems are seldom with rational people ^^ so I agree, poor design choice.

[iruinedyourday]

Im done im not going to be involved in these convos anymore. Have them at your own risk though. if you are aware or unaware of how close you are to crossing the line of hate speak, which infact HAS been crossed by Kaga in this thread, you might get into trouble on the forums and we've already lost too many good posters.

I'll leave you with this: http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11105552/trump-supporters-slavery?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=wednesday

Try not to be in that 20% guys.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You know what kaga, fuck off.

[maerilith]

/reported to the NSA for harassing my white cis female privilege.

(P.S. If you think this is an actual thing you are coooookoooo and the reason you ended up in jail is because you macequested, it had nothing to do with your percieved "targeted enemies of the state of kagahate")* , ** , *** , **** , † , ‡ , §.

* double speak
** double double speak
*** triple speak
**** quadruple speak
† double triple speak
‡ quadruple double speak
§ quadruple quadruple speak

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Im done im not going to be involved in these convos anymore.

Only the sixth time you ragequit with a veiled threat.

See you in a week.

[Daywolf]

It was awhile ago but Senator Giffords from AZ was shot subsequent to Sarah Palin presenting her and others on a map with crosshairs on their cities to indicate enemy status.
Jared Lee Loughner: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner)
A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal," "radical."

According to a former friend, Bryce Tierney, Loughner had expressed a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords. Tierney recalled that Loughner had often said that women should not hold positions of power.

---

uh-huh...

[maskedmelon]

How did we get here? Honestly.

I'm too perplexed to be offended tbh.

Sorry if I upset you this bad though IRYD :/ Take care elfpal

[maerilith]

Jared Lee Loughner: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner)
A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal," "radical."

According to a former friend, Bryce Tierney, Loughner had expressed a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords. Tierney recalled that Loughner had often said that women should not hold positions of power.

---

uh-huh...

from your same linked article bruh

The director of research on hate groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center noted that Loughner's political positions were a "hallmark of the far right and the militia movement." [43] the dood was a "nut job tea repub even if he voted "indie" once the guy was just nutz and loved repub fud

sounds like the people IYRD, poke and (sometimes mostly sort of me) are ridiculing their arguments here.

So we have a few people who need reported to the NSA for debriefings.

[Pokesan]

Jared Lee Loughner: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner)
A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal," "radical."

According to a former friend, Bryce Tierney, Loughner had expressed a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords. Tierney recalled that Loughner had often said that women should not hold positions of power.

---

uh-huh...

what grade level do you read on dude

[maerilith]

How did we get here? Honestly.

I'm too perplexed to be offended tbh.

Sorry if I upset you this bad though IRYD :/ Take care elfpal

You're failure is in trying to defend the arguments of an insane person. Your political views per say aren't entirely without merit.

It is just that your defense of the soundbites and Kaga go hand in hand to making you look like a "hallmark of the far right and the militia movement." [43]

[Pokesan]

sounds like Jared took the redpill!

[maskedmelon]

sounds like Jared took the redpill!

What is it with this Alice and Wonderland reference everywhere?

[Daywolf]

what grade level do you read on dude
16th actually. Why do you ask? :p

[Pokesan]

What is it with this Alice and Wonderland reference everywhere?

i don't actually know i'm just trying to irritate kaga

[iruinedyourday]

What is it with this Alice and Wonderland reference everywhere?

its the matrix you kno like do you want to know the truth or do you want to keep taking the blue pill and be a sheeperson.

[maerilith]

followed some links off wikipedia of laughner (were he was sentanced finally after all his legal gymnastics)... gr8 shit


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Rochester

This is a real gem here:
Keith E. Anderson 63025-004 Serving a 20-year sentence; scheduled for release in 2020. Owner of Anderson's Ark & Associates tax preparation company; extradited from Costa Rica in 2002; convicted in 2004 of conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering for assisting over 2,000 clients in five countries evade taxes on millions of dollars of income.[12][13]

this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche was sentanced there. We had his group lobbying for support in our home town (I was curious about it, but the minute they tried draggig me in to their web of "give us money to save the world from the evil russians" and their US supporters (I disengaged) lol... (thats nasty intelligence/counter intelligence orginization there)

lol

talk about people complaining about low level SJW sociopathes when the real crazy nutjubs are out there racking up the millions and helping people get away with literal murder (see my former most example of the tax evasion/fraud guy)

*Politics win.

Kaga, U iz slam dunked big time for the last 3 days, just go smoke some marijuana and get ready for the hallmark level of fame

[maerilith]

its the matrix you kno like do you want to know the truth or do you want to keep taking the blue pill and be a sheeperson.

Also red pills are republican pills lol.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Are you trying to fallacy of relative privation me?

[iruinedyourday]

followed some links off wikipedia of laughner (were he was sentanced finally after all his legal gymnastics)... gr8 shit


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Rochester

This is a real gem here:
Keith E. Anderson 63025-004 Serving a 20-year sentence; scheduled for release in 2020. Owner of Anderson's Ark & Associates tax preparation company; extradited from Costa Rica in 2002; convicted in 2004 of conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering for assisting over 2,000 clients in five countries evade taxes on millions of dollars of income.[12][13]

this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche was sentanced there. We had his group lobbying for support in our home town (I was curious about it, but the minute they tried draggig me in to their web of "give us money to save the world from the evil russians" and their US supporters (I disengaged) lol... (thats nasty intelligence/counter intelligence orginization there)

lol

talk about people complaining about low level SJW sociopathes when the real crazy nutjubs are out there racking up the millions and helping people get away with literal murder (see my former most example of the tax evasion/fraud guy)

*Politics win.

Kaga, U iz slam dunked big time for the last 3 days, just go smoke some marijuana and get ready for the hallmark level of fame

Great post

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Great post

You already declared your retreat.

GET OUT

[iruinedyourday]

Now who's trying to limit free speech?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Telling a hypocrite to practice what he preaches is not limiting free speech.

[Daywolf]

Also red pills are republican pills lol.
Actually it use to be blue. I have no freakin idea why it changed to red. But like before you were born, it was blue :D During Carter, Reagan... I think changed either during Bush or Clinton. I think the libs/dems got tired of the phrase "better dead than red" ? hah who knows. They really should be the red party though :p
Then the Reps just like half-red

Or just drop color entirely (racist?) and go with socialist A. and socialist B. parties.

[iruinedyourday]

Telling a hypocrite to practice what he preaches is not limiting free speech.

Telling a racist he's being racist isn't either but doesn't stop you from posting 300 tears a minute everytime

[Daywolf]

Dang, if I could catch all the race cards these guys are flinging around, I could hand them to IRYD so he'd (er or She'd?) almost be 'playing with a full deck' for once.

[iruinedyourday]

reported for sexist attacks daywolf

[Daywolf]

reported for sexist attacks daywolf

\o/ [ELECT DAYWOLF 2016]

[Lurikeen]

Nah, you definitely don't get it.

Yeah, I definitely got it and you certainly missed my points, just as Lune did, who is full of herself. But what can you do? You just go back and forth pointing fingers as we have done here.

And of course we have little "proxies" such as yourself who troll. I arose to the bait, so you can't be fully blamed. Just too bad she can't speak for herself.

Edit: And just so it is clear how remarkably stupid the person you are defending is, we were discussing American politics and Lune didn't recognize that the government of the USA is by the people and of the people (Or, as Lincoln said, "and that government of the people, by the people, for the people"). Perhaps you should give more thought to your defense of someone and especially when you haven't fully read all the posts involved?

[Nerrp]

I'm honestly just... confused. - yes - "confused" is the best word to describe it. That Trump is the current frontrunner.

[Daywolf]

I'm honestly just... confused. - yes - "confused" is the best word to describe it. That Trump is the current frontrunner.
Because he acts like he wants it. A bit different from previous Rep candidates in that :rolleyes:

[Lurikeen]

Because I started this thread I think it fitting to tell all of you that due to my work schedule I can't come here and respond to posts immediately.

[iruinedyourday]

Oh cool looks like they opened a coal mine somewhere in the appalachian range. Grats Lurik

[Lurikeen]

Oh cool looks like they opened a coal mine somewhere in the appalachian range. Grats Lurik

Hey, thanks. I'm gonna do you a fav-UR and make sure U dunt get elektricity.

[iruinedyourday]

Hey, thanks. I'm gonna do you a fav-UR and make sure U dunt get elektricity.

i boycott electricity until all electricity can get married neway.

[Lurikeen]

i boycott electricity until all electricity can get married neway.

Yeah, uh, no shit. You're a freaking hippie in a commune. You're collecting a check for all the babies you' ve popped out because Planned Parenthood told you that you are such a loser that you couldn't get your abortions payed for. So what can you do? Hell, the truth is that your electricity was cut off because you can't pay your bill. You just can't sell your ass anymore. Nobody should hold that against you.

[Pokesan]

Yeah, uh, no shit. You're a freaking hippie in a commune. You're collecting a check for all the babies you' ve popped out because Planned Parenthood told you that you are such a loser that you couldn't get your abortions payed for. So what can you do? Hell, the truth is that your electricity was cut off because you can't pay your bill. You just can't sell your ass anymore. Nobody should hold that against you.

what the fuck is wrong with you

retard

[iruinedyourday]

Yeah, uh, no shit. You're a freaking hippie in a commune. You're collecting a check for all the babies you' ve popped out because Planned Parenthood told you that you are such a loser that you couldn't get your abortions payed for. So what can you do? Hell, the truth is that your electricity was cut off because you can't pay your bill. You just can't sell your ass anymore. Nobody should hold that against you.

at least i been "collecting a check" from my job all year long.

[Lurikeen]

what the fuck is wrong with you

retard

I'm on heroin. What's your excuse butt nugget?

[Lurikeen]

at least i been "collecting a check" from my job all year long.

Taking money shots in the eyes

[iruinedyourday]

im glad you got a new job pal congrats just messn /w u

[Pokesan]

please examine and enjoy this portrait of a dangerous lunatic who will never be president

http://i.imgur.com/EAxOmKsl.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229843

first ever American Psycho prez

[barrettdc1]

Yeah, uh, no shit. You're a freaking hippie in a commune. You're collecting a check for all the babies you' ve popped out because Planned Parenthood told you that you are such a loser that you couldn't get your abortions payed for. So what can you do? Hell, the truth is that your electricity was cut off because you can't pay your bill. You just can't sell your ass anymore. Nobody should hold that against you.

waitaminit....IRYD is a gurl.


*GASPS* /hide

[maerilith]

I'd work in a coal mine if they payed enough for me to get srs and respected me.

[Lurikeen]

im glad you got a new job pal congrats just messn /w u

Having work is great. Even if it's mining coal with your cousins. :p