Possibility of KC group at 49

[darkreap]

So from what I've seen, KC seems to be lvl 50 minimum. What are the chances of a 49 bard finding a group in there on a regular basis? Should I just stick it out at CoM til 50? I am just so sick of that place...

[Smurn]

Go to the hole and make some TD friends

[darkreap]

From what I remember on live, the hole was mostly empty. Is it not on 99?

[Phantasm]

the hole offers low hp mobs with relatively good ZEM and a high mob count. with a decent group you can begin racking up quick and easy efficient xp

[RDawg816]

On live, on my server, KC was 45+. For whatever reason people on p99 wait until 50 to go there. As a bard, you have the option of joining groups earlier because you can be a mana battery. Conversely, as a bard, you have to deal with a stigma that all bards are evil zone disrupters.
The Hole is often empty, but you could find/bring a group there or go to Sol B or Lower Guk also.

[vouss]

I wouldn't bother going until you are level 50 tbh. The difference between a bard with Melody of Ervaj and one with out is HUGE.

[justin2090]

Could find a rogue of similar lvl and aggro kite the ravishing rick drolvargs outside KC or any blue con for that matter. I just like saying ravishing rick drolvarg.

[Troxx]

The difference between a bard with Melody of Ervaj and one with out is HUGE.

Umm ... no. It's actually a pretty crappy song and it requires you have a brass instrument physically equipped.

Sub 55, the biggest contribution a bard brings to most groups is hymn of restoration with lute, nivs melody of preservation with lute, mana pulse, and (depending on whether you're the only person who can haste or not) a choice of one of your melee songs or hastes. Keep mez, snare/slow, and other utility songs mem'd.

At 49 with a good lute you can twist high 30s to low 40s per tick hp regen (hymn + nivs) on top of covering basic haste and giving a nice pulse of mana for your casters. At 55 it gets nuts as the 55 cantana hp regen component is modified by strings, and still STACKS with nivs.

5% stackable haste is frankly a song not worth using. There are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

[Damn]

Umm ... no. It's actually a pretty crappy song and it requires you have a brass instrument physically equipped.

Sub 55, the biggest contribution a bard brings to most groups is hymn of restoration with lute, nivs melody of preservation with lute, mana pulse, and (depending on whether you're the only person who can haste or not) a choice of one of your melee songs or hastes. Keep mez, snare/slow, and other utility songs mem'd.

At 49 with a good lute you can twist high 30s to low 40s per tick hp regen (hymn + nivs) on top of covering basic haste and giving a nice pulse of mana for your casters. At 55 it gets nuts as the 55 cantana hp regen component is modified by strings, and still STACKS with nivs.

5% stackable haste is frankly a song not worth using. There are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

Don't you ever fucking speak to beastagor like that again

[Troxx]

Don't you ever fucking speak to beastagor like that again

My sarcasm detector is broken today. I have no idea if this is serious or not.

[EatitNerd]

Don't you ever fucking speak to beastagor like that again

[EatitNerd]

This isn't a fucking game troxx

[Troxx]

Crap ... well this means i'm going to have to redefine my life's priorities!

For what it's worth, I'll stand by my assertion. 5% v2 haste is a rubbish waste of your time. Assuming you're not even meleeing and just using instruments, there are much more valuable uses of your time to include:


CC'ing for the group (as needed)
Pulling for the group (as needed)
Feeding mana to the casters who might need it
Giving overpowered regen to the whole group
Resists or DS songs
Standard haste/buffs/younameit

Or any combination of the aforementioned.

Groups at that range are rarely limited (from an xp or loot vs time standpoint) by the groups kill speed. What they are limited by is speed of spawns, speed of pulls, and healer/support mana (and down time related to this).

v2 haste might be worth it if you're rocking epic and don't have to instrument swap AND already have a shaman or ench to give primary haste AND everyone is sitting around at full mana 24/7 ... but even then you'd probably kill faster by just being out there helping to pull with such an ideal and unrealistic group.

But back to the original question. At 49 as a bard you can add a lot to a group assuming you know what to do. If you're a 1-2 song twist wonder who insists on meleeing ... you're worthless to begin with. If you have realized that your best contribution is using your instruments to add power/efficiency to the group? Yes you can do this at 49. Lute + nivs + hymn + mana pulse +/- v1 haste as needed will bring more to most casual pickup groups than adding another random 51-55 class. 49 is probably a bit low to help with CC in this zone (ideally 50+ for this job), but you can manage.

[vouss]

And this is why Red players are better then Blue players

[brecon]

And this is why Red players are better then Blue players

Dunno what this means. I agree, 5% v2 haste is a joke. Assuming your group is Cleric, Bard, Enchanter and 3 melee dps, you're looking at a total DPS bump of ~15%. There's lots of better things a Bard can be doing with a song than ~15% dps. Hell, he'd do more damage just meleeing instead of holding his horn, and then he can cast an additional song in the rotation.

But thread is derailed: a 49 Bard can probably get a KC group, you're not high on anyone's list of classes or levels, so it could take awhile.

[Jimjam]

Surely if half the group is melee dps, then it is only a 2.5% dps increase?

[EatitNerd]

This guy is dumb no wonder why he can't get a group.

[Troxx]

And this is why Red players are better then Blue players

Red players are better than blue players because red players are bad at math?