Lodizal Camp Rules

[Kileras]

I have heard conflicting information recently. Is it now valid/allowed to get FTE on lodizal and kite it around the island while a force is called in to kill it? Do you not need a force present capable of killing in order to claim a mob?

is the exception to this rule if it is a shaman/melee duo? is it allowed to fte the mob then kite it around until slow lands? This is not an accusation, this is strictly to get proper information. I used to do lodi a lot and this kind of thing never would have flown with most others there, but apparently is the norm now. I don't want me, or my guildies, violating any new rule set in place. Has there been any kind of verdict on this?

[Erati]

I dont get why you have to be actively tanking him for it to be considered 'an engage'

Getting him malo'd + snared then trying to land a slow is how you have to duo Lodi which is a very fun mob to duo.

Unless people are literally kiting him to the other side of Iceclad to call in forces.....running around in a small circle near the Icepaw tents doesnt seem that egregious esp if people are actively trying to slow/debuff him then engage when he is properly ready to be tanked.

[Kileras]

I dont get why you have to be actively tanking him for it to be considered 'an engage'

Getting him malo'd + snared then trying to land a slow is how you have to duo Lodi which is a very fun mob to duo.

Unless people are literally kiting him to the other side of Iceclad to call in forces.....running around in a small circle near the Icepaw tents doesnt seem that egregious esp if people are actively trying to slow/debuff him then engage when he is properly ready to be tanked.

Does this stand when there is no tank present? Once it is slowed then I assume it needs to be engaged by those present? I understand running from it to land a slow but running it to the other part of the island to "land a slow" when you are really stalling for people to port in seems broken to me. If someone is kiting to slow and doesn't actively have a force in zone to kill it that seems fair game to me to pull off.

[azeth]

Stop trying to compare the banana and apple. Considering there's no duo that doesn't include Shaman in the game capable of handling Lodizal..

yes if a 60 shaman engages solo and kites while trying to malo/slow then its legit.

no if a non 60 shaman engages solo and kites it is not legit

[Daldaen]

Stop trying to compare the banana and apple. Considering there's no duo that doesn't include Shaman in the game capable of handling Lodizal..

yes if a 60 shaman engages solo and kites while trying to malo/slow then its legit.

no if a non 60 shaman engages solo and kites it is not legit

Enchanter + Cleric
Anyone with Puppet Strings + Cleric

Those two duos can likely kill Lodizal I thinks.

[Tycoon]

No, you can't kite it in circle until you feel comfortable engaging.

If someone engages Lodizal they need to pull it to their kill spot and engage it directly or they are stalling.

If their friends aren't there til minutes later.. The shaman (even if tanking) has stalled.

[Senies]

No, you can't kite it in circle until you feel comfortable engaging.

If someone engages Lodizal they need to pull it to their kill spot and engage it directly or they are stalling.

If their friends aren't there til minutes later.. The shaman (even if tanking) has stalled.

Like the golems in pof Lodizal is not a raid target..... [rolls eyes]

[bktroost]

Intent plays a huge part.

[Tycoon]

Has Lodizal lost his FTE message?

[InfiniteCascade]

His FTE message bugs out time to time, yeah.

[InfiniteCascade]

Simply put, if you win FTE on Lodizal it's your until you wipe on it. Although he is never alive more then 8 mins anyways unless you duo it.

[topgun1027]

Use common sense here its really simple. If you see someone kiting and not trying to root/ slow to prep and kill it yes that is a kite and you should give them a warning saying you have xx minutes to start fighting or drop it.

If you see someone actually trying to kite it around and root / slow it leave it the F alone its not your FTE respect it. This scenario people are actually trying to kill the mob as intended with a strategy.

People have been suspended for taking Lodizal off others for 5 minutes kiting around so again respect FTE's or get in trouble.

[bktroost]

Simply put, if you win FTE on Lodizal it's your until you wipe on it. Although he is never alive more then 8 mins anyways unless you duo it.

This is false. I was part of a circumstance where a rogue got FTE on Lodizal without any other force in the zone. After a minute and thirty seconds of no harmful spells or damage that output Lodi's regen it was determined that the rogue was stall kiting a contested mob (no reference of raid or camp mob was made by the GM) and we killed the mob.

Why?!?! How could you have done such a thing and why was X,Y,Z okay on the fourth of June but x,y,z is illegal on the 5th of May!? FAVORITISM!

No. Stop making 20 threads about this mob. Don't stall kite. Period. If you are working on a strat to kill Lodizal that takes 5 hours involving a monk with a fungi and a druid to infinitely regen heal as the monk gets summoned and damages with DS then SURE! You are actively killing the mob. If you are a rogue... or anything other than a shaman or a bard and are trying to solo this dude with ZERO help in zone then don't aggro it or fear getting suspended for stall kiting. It has happened and it will happen again.

[JayDee]

Simply put, if you win FTE on Lodizal it's your until you wipe on it. Although he is never alive more then 8 mins anyways unless you duo it.

So someone could kite it and pass it like a baton forever in your little scenario?

I am sorry to inform you that you are a stupid person

[Pokesan]

I think we need an expert on turtle law to explain the legal intricacies of playing a fucking video game

what is wrong with you all

[Xaanka]

I think we need an expert on turtle law to explain the legal intricacies of playing a fucking video game

what is wrong with you all

its time to consider red

[Pheer]

I think we need an expert on turtle law to explain the legal intricacies of playing a fucking video game

what is wrong with you all

i think this is my favorite post in quite awhile

[zanderklocke]

If you are a rogue... or anything other than a shaman or a bard and are trying to solo this dude with ZERO help in zone then don't aggro it or fear getting suspended for stall kiting.

I'm intrigued by this. Bards are able to solo him even though he summons?

[arsenalpow]

buncha stuff

It's never up to the offended party to go vigilante and peel someone else's FTE even if they think they are being wronged. That's a sure fire way to get yourself suspended even if the jerks are in fact stalling.

Rule #1 is to always respect a FTE unless the person that has FTE states they are conceding it for whatever reason (maybe they are kiting the mob to get to a different mob, or they are conceding after FTEing with a tracker, whatever)

If you feel someone is stalling get fraps, keep logs, take screenshots, then present that information to the staff. If it were my decision to make as long as there is an effort being made to down the guy it's all legit. If some duo is running it in circles while they attempt to get it debuffed before actually DPSing him that seems totally normal, however don't expect to get a favorable ruling if you aren't doing anything to him and you're just running him in a circle waiting for pals to show up. If the goal is to wait for reinforcements you should have a destination in mind, like tagging and beelining to the dragon ring where reinforcements can arrive.

[Loke]

I think we need an expert on turtle law to explain the legal intricacies of playing a fucking video game

what is wrong with you all

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d0/d8/0f/d0d80fcf0eab4c61e29225f0be9cff1a.jpg

Edit - apparently I forgot how to post images. Too lazy to figure out what I did wrong.

[Freakish]

I've pulled him over to EW before, is that a kite? It's where my force was. And someone had dragged him over the other way to docks before dropping.

[Ele]

Anyone tried "pulling" him to the tiny island for switching boats from NRo?

The new Faydedar pull!

[Freakish]

I like it.

[Troxx]

If the whole kill squad is present in the zone when you engage him and you're kiting him around as part of a strat to slow/debuff him ... that's legit imo. If your force is in the zone and you're pulling him to where your capable and ready kill squad is, that's also legit imo.

If you're engaging him without your kill party in zone, whether it's to pull him to the rings where you HOPE your kill squad will port in time or the EW zone where people are frantically rushing to zone in ... not legit imo.

First in force, in zone, and ready to engage with the capable crew to kill him.

If you're the only one in the zone? Shouldn't engage him until your friends are there to help you. Pulling him away from his spawn/wander area effectively denies another group the ability to righteously engage him first when ready.

[Droog007]

I just got my tips frosted and my skin bronzed. You likey?

Being that this isn't a raid mob (despite the FTE shout), I kinda feel like it's a little more ok to take action when someone is clearly breaking the rules. Sorta like when someone is claiming ALL the dead side named in LGuk. You don't fraps it for 20 minutes and then make a petition. You pick the camp you want and take over.

[Llandris]

Respect the FTE. If you feel they are stalling, fraps/SS/log it and petition. Do NOT take matters into your own hands and KS it. Let us (Guides/GMs) decide if is a stall/kite and we will take care of it.

[drktmplr12]

Being that this isn't a raid mob (despite the FTE shout), I kinda feel like it's a little more ok to take action when someone is clearly breaking the rules. Sorta like when someone is claiming ALL the dead side named in LGuk. You don't fraps it for 20 minutes and then make a petition. You pick the camp you want and take over.

totally different scenario.

[Pyrocat]

Anyone tried "pulling" him to the tiny island for switching boats from NRo?

The new Faydedar pull!

I've seen people do this, because that's where their friends were. I think it's legit, if a bit annoying.

[bktroost]

Nemce killed someone's mob that had FTE. PSA about not doing that.

The guy dropped the mob after we talked.

[Lojik]

The guy dropped the mob after we talked.

"This is not the Lodizal you are looking for."

[icedwards]

Respect the FTE. If you feel they are stalling, fraps/SS/log it and petition. Do NOT take matters into your own hands and KS it. Let us (Guides/GMs) decide if is a stall/kite and we will take care of it.

Out of curiosity, how would the guides/GMs take care of this?

[Pokesan]

Out of curiosity, how would the guides/GMs take care of this?

http://i.imgur.com/XQuVlfQ.png

[Droog007]

totally different scenario.

I went to the other extreme. Given that the staff is overworked and underpaid, I always feel it's best to find a way to solve things amongst ourselves. I certainly would not recommend just KSing a staller and then scooping the loot... But let's say someone is found to be stalling via fraps/logs/screenshots a month after they already killed the mob with their unlawful FTE. Does the loot just get deleted? Is is just assumed that the petitioner had the best claim to the mob?

In other words, there's usually a tactful way to be proactive and avoid a petition scenario.