Chanter gearing question

[Knowmercy]

I was lookign over the BiS gearing section of the chanter on wiki, and im curious; other than say insig protector/void, heiro cloak, boneclasp girdle/searhorse belt, and perhaps the sup neckalce, tranix crown, ect. - what are the final/best trade-able items suitable to get for a chanter? Ide like to hear some suggestions but I think thats about it, what am i overlooking?

Got some pp saved up and insig coming, and wondering were to put the money soon. would love to hear some tips even for inv items/clickies.

For no drops - still after hate helm/bp, velious armor stuff, and robe of benevolence. Are those the best targets right out of the gates after gearing with the tradeable stuff above? My guild is still relatively new raid wise with planar and entry lvl velious stuff, but were having a blast and feels good to tackle content that hard for us, so dont have access to any mobs too too crazy yet. I feel like theres this hidden hodgepodge quest item i should be pursuing, but have yet to hear about, heh. at least im hoping anyway

anyway thanks for reading any tidbits and little reads would be nice

Cheers,
KM

[-Catherin-]

get an orb of the infinite void instead of IP. my IP is bagged for resists now.

[-Catherin-]

get an orb of the infinite void instead of IP. my IP is bagged for resists now.

HP is a priorety and it sounds like you have enough plat to get cha in other ways. IP is an expensive 5cha.

[Daldaen]

I'd suggest making a Magelo and linking that so each slot can be looked at for upgrades.

There are definitely some solid quests in Velious that may be overlooked.

PoMischief Cloak, Belt and Robe for example are a huge investment of either time or money, and they would each be tough to replace. Though I'd probably say a BCG is better than the PoM belt.

PoHate Halo is very tough to replace until you get solid CHA outside of the head slot. At which point Circlet of Falinkan is your go to.

I'd also say Orb of Infinite Void is favorable over Insignia Protector for non-AE areas.

For Neck don't go for Necklace of Superiority, form up a group and do the 6-Talisman Dragons in WW. They are easily grouped with a balanced group.

[maurilax]

I know this is a really crappy thing to say, but I will anyway. You shouldnt waste money gearing your enchanter for Velious raiding, the per plat impact of anything you get is going to be severly negligable. These guys have good suggestions, but I honestly believe you should save the plat for either a Rog/Cleric alt or useful clickies you might not already have, lev cloak, see invis bracer, jboots, soulfires whatever.

Sadly enchanters are buff bots in this expansion, their gear has very little direct outcome on a raid encounter.

I'm sorry that doesnt answer your question but hopefully it gives you some perspective before you blow 30k+ on a 75hp upgrade which lets you survive 1/8 of a round of combat from a Velious mob

[Knowmercy]

Awesome food for thought, appreciate the responses and insight. Maurilax you answered my question about clickies and priorities, definitely going to look into that. i can see why its wise to spread the resources around to other characters that would ultimately help a guild with raid encounters. Most of my gaming time is spent solo or in small groups however. I started in Oct.

Im all about the incremental upgrades as thats whats fun for me, im interested in taking on more mobs on the solo and duo list challenges. I got one of the +4 dragon amulets duo'ing with a druid charmed animal and charmed gravid drake in WW on a dragon, that was a good time. Ive also got the circlet quest pieces as well, and i figured in the future when CHA from halo or another similar helm isnt needed, that item is definitely cool.

I suppose the IP's cha is appealing to me cause it would open up an earring or wrist slot. But ac and hp seems king on void ultimately, would be cool to have both.

And looking forward to checking out mischief in the future, or tracking down a BSG.

Magelo looks neat, thanks for the recommendation going to put that together and share sometime.

Cheers,
knowmercy






this next bit is an off topic rant read at your own risk, but the title is "gearing chanter" and was intended to be directed toward newer players like myself. In my limited experience chanters are op in velious, just not broken op like it feels in kunark. I think alot of the changes made to the classes capabilities are really appropriate and give other classes opportunity to shine.

for example in kael arena i was the only chanter on in guild unfortunately, but we have an amazing bard pulling and cc'ing. I cant cc gaints, but pet a baby one, and when two protector of zeks and an add get pulled that would wipe our team, dictate can save the day and is really fun and bad ass to watch and use. Its hectic being the only chanter on, or only one with good spells yet because were small, but its a real challenge and super enjoyable to me.

Hell i wouldnt mind being a buff bot from time to time just to catch a break lol from charming, cc'ing, tell hell buffing, slowing/crippling cause shaman is to low to stick, and non stop spell swapping, however I can see how that would get old - I joined a large guild at first, but soon left because the rate at wich, and the content they were doing did not feel appropriate for me, it was just a massive zerg force farming/grinding content. I was one of many enchanter sitting in the back doing fuck all waiting around for loot. Everything that i could do simply wasnt needed. Didnt feel classic or challenging at all. I feel like thats what most players do, join a massive guild - and leads to the chanter velious buff bot mentality. This is a pve game afterall - your grinding and farming so you can...? grind and farm some more. Its about the journey and your goals not just the finish line. I typically dont play mmos to that point were it feels like work anyway. Granted I havnt seen the end game raids, but anyhow i think its misleading to players to boil chanter down to simply a buff bot. But hey thats just my 2 copper, and in today's economy? sheet. lay it on me. put me in my place plz

[nhdjoseywales]

Awesome food for thought, appreciate the responses and insight. Maurilax you answered my question about clickies and priorities, definitely going to look into that. i can see why its wise to spread the resources around to other characters that would ultimately help a guild with raid encounters. Most of my gaming time is spent solo or in small groups however. I started in Oct.

Im all about the incremental upgrades as thats whats fun for me, im interested in taking on more mobs on the solo and duo list challenges. I got one of the +4 dragon amulets duo'ing with a druid charmed animal and charmed gravid drake in WW on a dragon, that was a good time. Ive also got the circlet quest pieces as well, and i figured in the future when CHA from halo or another similar helm isnt needed, that item is definitely cool.

I suppose the IP's cha is appealing to me cause it would open up an earring or wrist slot. But ac and hp seems king on void ultimately, would be cool to have both.

And looking forward to checking out mischief in the future, or tracking down a BSG.

Magelo looks neat, thanks for the recommendation going to put that together and share sometime.

Cheers,
knowmercy






this next bit is an off topic rant read at your own risk, but the title is "gearing chanter" and was intended to be directed toward newer players like myself. In my limited experience chanters are op in velious, just not broken op like it feels in kunark. I think alot of the changes made to the classes capabilities are really appropriate and give other classes opportunity to shine.

for example in kael arena i was the only chanter on in guild unfortunately, but we have an amazing bard pulling and cc'ing. I cant cc gaints, but pet a baby one, and when two protector of zeks and an add get pulled that would wipe our team, dictate can save the day and is really fun and bad ass to watch and use. Its hectic being the only chanter on, or only one with good spells yet because were small, but its a real challenge and super enjoyable to me.

Hell i wouldnt mind being a buff bot from time to time just to catch a break lol from charming, cc'ing, tell hell buffing, slowing/crippling cause shaman is to low to stick, and non stop spell swapping, however I can see how that would get old - I joined a large guild at first, but soon left because the rate at wich, and the content they were doing did not feel appropriate for me, it was just a massive zerg force farming/grinding content. I was one of many enchanter sitting in the back doing fuck all waiting around for loot. Everything that i could do simply wasnt needed. Didnt feel classic or challenging at all. I feel like thats what most players do, join a massive guild - and leads to the chanter velious buff bot mentality. This is a pve game afterall - your grinding and farming so you can...? grind and farm some more. Its about the journey and your goals not just the finish line. I typically dont play mmos to that point were it feels like work anyway. Granted I havnt seen the end game raids, but anyhow i think its misleading to players to boil chanter down to simply a buff bot. But hey thats just my 2 copper, and in today's economy? sheet. lay it on me. put me in my place plz


Try Phinny. Chanters actually do stuff on raids there. On P99, pet pathing is badly broken so no one wants you using charm pets on raids. On live pet pathing works fine and you are encouraged/expected to be charming on raids for dps. Also your debuffing ability is actually useful on phinny. Last night i was the one that slowed/incap'd/weaknessed cazic on incoming and i lived to tell the tale :) (we actually got three cazics and 3 dracos last night. yaay split raid instancing)

[maurilax]

Try Phinny. Chanters actually do stuff on raids there. On P99, pet pathing is badly broken so no one wants you using charm pets on raids. On live pet pathing works fine and you are encouraged/expected to be charming on raids for dps. Also your debuffing ability is actually useful on phinny. Last night i was the one that slowed/incap'd/weaknessed cazic on incoming and i lived to tell the tale :) (we actually got three cazics and 3 dracos last night. yaay split raid instancing)


I dont think people are against charming on raids here. At the very least pets for kael (vindi) and Trak (dictate) are great sources of CC and dps.

What do you charm in NTOV and VP on phinny?

[Erati]

chanters use pets on nearly every P99 raid lol wat

[nhdjoseywales]

I dont think people are against charming on raids here. At the very least pets for kael (vindi) and Trak (dictate) are great sources of CC and dps.

What do you charm in NTOV and VP on phinny?

Those xpacs arent out yet but in NTOV the hatchlings should be charmable. We really going to pretend pets dont fall thru the world and train the entire zone back to you? We really gonna pretend pets dont get stuck running over a 5 foot path back and forth over and over and over again?

[Daldaen]

On raids pets are fine in Kael.

On Phinny they have these new NPCs called Shade of DRAGONNAME, that are charmable ghosts in VP.

The NToV drakelings should be charmable but they are flagged not charmable for some reason on here.

The thing is, on P99, pulls happen so quickly that setting up with a charmed pet isn't viable. And in the one area where it may be (AoW), extra aggro/entities just cause more desynches.

Honestly the only reason I would want to spend more on my enchanter's gear is for more HP to survive more Stun resist or interrupts in PoM. But being level 53, levels would be far more helpful in that endeavor than raw HP would be.

Pet pathing really isn't that bad on P99 though. Maybe in Sebilis it is. But most every other zone it's fine.

[-Catherin-]

I'm quite commonly top dps in raids due to charmed pets and I'm not afraid to use them and push the limits of them. Chanters can still really shine on a lot of raids. Yes I know charm isnt going to be usable on all of them.

They are also still one of the most powerful solo classes outside of raids too. Yeah average level and MR goes up in velious but it's still very much doable.

Maybe your raid enchanters don't charm or their raid leaders don't let them though? :p

Bottom line is people are giving chanter's a bad rap in velious and you are seeing their numbers dropping because of it. But you know what. They are a whole lot more upset when there are no chanters at all.

[maurilax]

Bottom line is people are giving chanter's a bad rap in velious and you are seeing their numbers dropping because of it. But you know what. They are a whole lot more upset when there are no chanters at all.

Camp the chanter, switch to the rogue still the less stressful option. But I am glad someone is sticking up for them. Best class in any game ever!

I still use my enchanter for all kinds of stuff including solo/duo/trio in PoM. I'm just not gonna advocate spending multiple thousands of plat to get marginal increases in gear.

[trite]

Best dropable mask was Dragon Scaled Mask. Enchanters only charmed on raids in velious in plane of growth and sleeper's tomb...you technically can in kael but not worth it same with some other low end targets like velketor...

[Raev]

I don't know how this 'Enchanters are terrible in Velious' meme got started, but its just silly IMO.

Its not like Enchanters weren't buff bots in Kunark. VP had 0 charmable mobs, the outdoor dragons dispelled and feared, and no one had time to clear down to Trakanon with a platoon of krup knights. There were a few exceptions, most notably the horses in Sky, but they were few and far between. Enchanters are arguably actually better on Velious raids because so many raid targets are slowable and/or come with massive Druid buffs. Tash and 4 slot dispell are both awesome there.

And its not as though Enchanters are suddenly bad at farming the group zones. You can charm in Sirens, Kael, DN, and POM, and in all cases the charmed pets tear up. Drakkel Dire Wolves Kael are worth like 2 rogues each! Add in the usual buffs and debuffs and pretty much any good 3-4 man group will include an enchanter.

So what's changed? I think two things. First, Enchanters can't really SOLO much Velious content like they could in HS/Seb. Velious is just too high level; you can't calm/charm/ae mez L55+ stuff. So you need to actually, you know, make friends with Shamans, Monks, Clerics, etc. Second, Velious is melee candyland. Most of the hardcore players in raid guilds are doing it to gear out a monk/warrior/rogue. Caster itemization in Classic EQ is just shit. It wasn't until Luclin with focus effects that raid gear really started to make a difference. And being the only enchanter on a raid really sucks, because you get totally overwhelmed with buff requests.

TLDR: Enchanters rock Velious just fine if you aren't intent on facerolling your keyboard.

[maurilax]

I don't know how this 'Enchanters are terrible in Velious' meme got started, but its just silly IMO.

Its not like Enchanters weren't buff bots in Kunark. VP had 0 charmable mobs, the outdoor dragons dispelled and feared, and no one had time to clear down to Trakanon with a platoon of krup knights. There were a few exceptions, most notably the horses in Sky, but they were few and far between. Enchanters are arguably actually better on Velious raids because so many raid targets are slowable and/or come with massive Druid buffs. Tash and 4 slot dispell are both awesome there.

And its not as though Enchanters are suddenly bad at farming the group zones. You can charm in Sirens, Kael, DN, and POM, and in all cases the charmed pets tear up. Drakkel Dire Wolves Kael are worth like 2 rogues each! Add in the usual buffs and debuffs and pretty much any good 3-4 man group will include an enchanter.

So what's changed? I think two things. First, Enchanters can't really SOLO much Velious content like they could in HS/Seb. Velious is just too high level; you can't calm/charm/ae mez L55+ stuff. So you need to actually, you know, make friends with Shamans, Monks, Clerics, etc. Second, Velious is melee candyland. Most of the hardcore players in raid guilds are doing it to gear out a monk/warrior/rogue. Caster itemization in Classic EQ is just shit. It wasn't until Luclin with focus effects that raid gear really started to make a difference. And being the only enchanter on a raid really sucks, because you get totally overwhelmed with buff requests.

TLDR: Enchanters rock Velious just fine if you aren't intent on facerolling your keyboard.

My point was that gear has nothing to do with being able to do any of these things. as long as you can hit the cha caps and have SOME hp gear you can participate in any of these activities. I dont sign up for the enchanters are useless in this expac but trying to say their gear matters very much is silly. After you have all your clickies and hp gear, you are better off using money on other characters or something.

[Daldaen]

My point was that gear has nothing to do with being able to do any of these things. as long as you can hit the cha caps and have SOME hp gear you can participate in any of these activities. I dont sign up for the enchanters are useless in this expac but trying to say their gear matters very much is silly. After you have all your clickies and hp gear, you are better off using money on other characters or something.

Or more clickies.

Wort Pots
Reaper
WC Cap
Wand of Allure
Puppet Strings
Prayer of Life

All of these will provide more value to a soloing enchanter than dropping 100k for each BIS tradeable upgrade you go for.

Personally I think the Wand of Allure is vastly undervalued for how common and relatively cheap to recharge it is. Especially if you cannot afford puppet strings.

Wort pots are just ridiculous when you have a few of them too.