Censor Japan = good / censor the gays = bad

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I still don't even know what Steven Universe is even about, but it appeals to the same type of degenerates into the pony thing so I'm gonna assume I hate it anyway.
Kinda sucks that since I'm a person of principle I'm going to be backing these idiots if they actually do start to fight this censorship (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Steven+Universe+UK+censorship).

In the meantime though, gonna enjoy the sweet, sweet irony.
http://kukuruyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-universe.png

[James_Joyce]

Apples and oranges. If scum can profit from Japanese patriarchy being translated into English, that will add a profit motive to brainwashing men into the rape culture. This thing is just discrimination.

[Pokesan]

I still don't even know what Steven Universe is even about, but it appeals to the same type of degenerates into the pony thing so I'm gonna assume I hate it anyway.
Kinda sucks that since I'm a person of principle I'm going to be backing these idiots if they actually do start to fight this censorship (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Steven+Universe+UK+censorship).

In the meantime though, gonna enjoy the sweet, sweet irony.
http://kukuruyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-universe.png

Thanks for bragging about your ignorance idiot OP

voted 5

[iruinedyourday]

don't get your flip flopping these are hard core sarkisans that you are supporting with this thread

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

being for freedom of speech in all forms and against censorship consistently
flip flopping

Pick one.

[Pokesan]

My dear Senior Rational Extremist, I believe you have overlooked a key detail in your research!!

Japan cartoons were censored for having content of a pedophilic nature, yes? Surely you, in all your wisdom, can understand this is quite a lot different than censorship of homosexual themes.
I submit to you the following notion - one of these things should be censored and the other should not.

Yours in Faith,
Pokesan

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Street Fighter is not being censored for pedophilia content.

[jarshale]

I'm pretty sure steven universe is basically just dragonball z with some fanfiction level plot changes

[Pokesan]

Street Fighter is not being censored for pedophilia content.

With the utmost respect, as accords your Senior position, I lack the credulity to believe this can actually be the reason for your objection.

Am I so out of touch with youth culture that this is what a serious moral objection is founded on - video game nudity?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Self censorship (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJA_L4ZZs4) the worst kind of censorship.

[Ruinous]

Thank god I can still play The Witcher series in all of its overly sexualized and uncensored glory.

[maskedmelon]

I am confused. The link just takes me to Google. What am I missing?

[maskedmelon]

My dear Senior Rational Extremist, I believe you have overlooked a key detail in your research!!

Japan cartoons were censored for having content of a pedophilic nature, yes? Surely you, in all your wisdom, can understand this is quite a lot different than censorship of homosexual themes.
I submit to you the following notion - one of these things should be censored and the other should not.

Yours in Faith,
Pokesan

This Is the fundamental problem with morality. It is subjective. Many people believe both are wrong. Many believe the former is fine and the latter is not. Others might believe the opposite. Reason tells us that neither practice is without consequence (perceived or real) just as any other practice that is or has been morally objectionable to persons throughout history.

Private parties should be free to reject or embrace ideas as they see fit and rally around them. The only issues that I take with censorship though are hipocrisy and government imposition on diverse societies.

If Cartoon Network UK does not wish to promote gay culture, that's their choice. You don't have to watch their programming. If they do want to promote it, that's their choice and opponents don't have to watch it. The same goes for any other content, provided it does not explicitly incite criminality.

Which Japanese cartoons are we discussing?

[iruinedyourday]

Self censorship (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJA_L4ZZs4) the worst kind of censorship.

Kaga is like a video game version of whatever you call those Oregon patriot preppers

[Filthy_Pagan]

Pick one.

He's a libtard. If logical thought was on his resume he wouldn't say 90% of the shit he says.

[Filthy_Pagan]

My dear Senior Rational Extremist, I believe you have overlooked a key detail in your research!!

Japan cartoons were censored for having content of a pedophilic nature, yes? Surely you, in all your wisdom, can understand this is quite a lot different than censorship of homosexual themes.
I submit to you the following notion - one of these things should be censored and the other should not.

Yours in Faith,
Pokesan

For the sake of intellectual exercise, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and point out that sexual preference, whether it be gay, straight, or of a pedophilic nature, are all the same psychologically predetermined things. While pedophilia isn't socially acceptable and is in fact detrimental biologically, it stands to reason that if homosexuality isn't frowned upon, neither should any other sexual preference.

[Big_Japan]

There's nothing wrong with being a pedophile - only with acting on your proclivities with a minor (of age 12 or younger imo, but aoc is a debate for another day).

[Spyder73]

This Is the fundamental problem with morality. It is subjective. Many people believe both are wrong. Many believe the former is fine and the latter is not. Others might believe the opposite. Reason tells us that neither practice is without consequence (perceived or real) just as any other practice that is or has been morally objectionable to persons throughout history.

Murder and Rape are acceptable by some, but we as a society have made a value judgement that these things are not OK. Gay anime characters fondling little boys is generally frowned upon and I have no issue with this type of censorship, nor does any reasonable human being.

Censorship when someone really has something to say is way different than when someone is going to ridiculous extremes only to make a point that they are being censored.

Sexuality against children is a particularly dicey subject to some people and making light of it is even worse than forced censorship. Sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils

[sOurDieSel]

We should be giving free helicopter rides to all pedophiles, rapists and the liberals at Salon (http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/im_a_pedophile_youre_the_monsters_my_week_inside_t he_vile_right_wing_hate_machine/) whom support them.

Make The World Great Again.

[iruinedyourday]

He's a libtard. If logical thought was on his resume he wouldn't say 90% of the shit he says.

Im a libtad, youre a retard. I say tomato, you say some bad internet joke from 5 years ago.

whats the dif.

[Big_Japan]

libtad
at least he admits he's a babby + subhuman
https://i.imgur.com/TlyPSgz.png

[iruinedyourday]

this forum is overun with really bad 4chan wana b posters and its sad

[Big_Japan]

i been saying babby since before 4chan lil babby

note: never goon

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Which Japanese cartoons are we discussing?

None. I'm talking about video games being censored in their western localizations due to pressure from special interest groups who don't buy the product either way.

There's usually one or two games per year (almost always dating sims) that have their content trimmed down a bit, but this year there have been over two dozen fighting games, RPGs, FPSs etc. being censored or modified for political correctness, last year there were quite a few more than usual as well.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Im a libtad

https://45.media.tumblr.com/a4707e329ee247e802748b91d77880cb/tumblr_mrbwvbjZsb1rbv8d7o1_400.gif

[iruinedyourday]

fun fact the average iq of a liberal is 50% higher than the average iq of a non liberal.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

fun fact the average iq of a liberal is 50% higher than the average iq of a non liberal.

You're not liberal. Puritanical authoritarian regressive leftists like you are by definition, illiberal.

[Pokesan]

I have two questions.

1. What sort of content is censored out of these 'dating sims' you seem so fond of?

2. What is the difference between a 'dating sim' and a cartoon?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I have two questions.

1. What sort of content is censored out of these 'dating sims' you seem so fond of?

2. What is the difference between a 'dating sim' and a cartoon?

I wasn't clear enough in the earlier post, edited for clarity. The point is that it wasn't dating sims being censored, its games across the board.

[iruinedyourday]

Can confirm, game developer here.

There is this INSANELY huge illuminati society that reaches out to game devs across all platforms. If you put [something, I'm not even at liberty to say] in games, then you will likely be removed from your position and blacklisted from the industry.

One thing I can promise you for sure is, people like Kaga and youtube posters that talk about games industry illuminati are absolutely the smartest guys in the room and NEVER have EVER made assumptions about information they read about on the internet.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Says the guy who sent me... I lost count after a while... how many PMs in August/September 2014 about his personal friend Anita and how she's a good girl and dindu nuffin.

[iruinedyourday]

these are the videos kaga watches every night until 4am

https://youtu.be/o1WYimHB1mQ

this is his face watching every one

http://i.imgur.com/jnv61AS.gif

[maskedmelon]

In the FFVII remake they have alluded to plans to alter the fuuzoku sequence. Whether it is an issue with some of the girls' comments, perceived mockery of transgendered peoples with Cloud's drag, or disparaging of homosexuals with Cloud's displeasure at the all male group service provided is unclear. The whole sequence is funny though and I don't see who'd be offended to be honest.

YouTube Honeybee Inn FFVII if you haven't played the game ^^

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

these are the videos kaga watches every night until 4am

https://youtu.be/o1WYimHB1mQ

Nah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgdHgMPP3k)

[Pokesan]

In the FFVII remake they have alluded to plans to alter the fuuzoku sequence. Whether it is an issue with some of the girls' comments, perceived mockery of transgendered peoples with Cloud's drag, or disparaging of homosexuals with Cloud's displeasure at the all male group service provided is unclear. The whole sequence is funny though and I don't see who'd be offended to be honest.

YouTube Honeybee Inn FFVII if you haven't played the game ^^

I've played it - do you think that sequence will be removed on moral objection or because retaining it might damage the marketability of the game?

[Big_Japan]

Can confirm, game developer here.

There is this INSANELY huge illuminati society that reaches out to game devs across all platforms. If you put [something, I'm not even at liberty to say] in games, then you will likely be removed from your position and blacklisted from the industry.

One thing I can promise you for sure is, people like Kaga and youtube posters that talk about games industry illuminati are absolutely the smartest guys in the room and NEVER have EVER made assumptions about information they read about on the internet.

It's not the impossible giant conspiracy illuminati strawman you mock here so much as the repercussions of the same techniques of thought control that have you believing there is a substantive difference between Bernie and George Bush. If you think that the force that has you convinced that another neocon is the wave of the future exists only in tinfoil conspiracy theories, can you explain how you've been bent into such a comical pretzel of a jackbooted idiot cuck?

The funny thing is that you think you're in any way kind, gentle, or "liberal" when you're the same flavor of easily led submissive retard that would be sicking german shepherds on homosexuals if the wind were blowing that way. Lick my shoe plebeian.

TRUMP 2016

[iruinedyourday]

It's not the impossible giant conspiracy illuminati strawman you mock here so much as the repercussions of the same techniques of thought control that have you believing there is a substantive difference between Bernie and George Bush. If you think that the force that has you convinced that another neocon is the wave of the future exists only in tinfoil conspiracy theories, can you explain how you've been bent into such a comical pretzel of a jackbooted idiot cuck?

The funny thing is that you think you're in any way kind, gentle, or "liberal" when you're the same flavor of easily led submissive retard that would be sicking german shepherds on homosexuals if the wind were blowing that way. Lick my shoe plebeian.

what a fucking idiot.

thinks being open minded means: has to think rape kidnappng or murder or fuck it, insert anything, is ok.

your a fuckn bad poster pal just being bad.

[Big_Japan]

what a fucking idiot.

thinks being open minded means: has to think rape kidnappng or murder or fuck it, insert anything, is ok.

your a fuckn bad poster pal just being bad.

But you're a Bernie enthusiast, which means you're a Wars for Israel fan, which means you literally are a rape kidnapping and murder supporter. Wherein am I mistaken?

...right, I'm giving you too much credit by assuming you have thought any deeper about him than "he offered me free shit". My bad.

[maskedmelon]

I've played it

*high-five!*

do you think that sequence will be removed on moral objection or because retaining it might damage the marketability of the game?

In the commentary they said something along the lines of "some things have changed, " or "you can't do anymore." I don't recall offhand. Kaga made a thread about it late last year.

Undoubtedly being pulled to avoid backlash from outside the target audience or distancing potential newcomers. At the same time while generally serving their fans well, SE has made ardent strides to broaden their fan base. The abomination that was FFXIIIP speaks to that.

SE has every right to pull content they don't like, but it is a sad state of affairs if special interest outsiders are dictating what is acceptable to the developer and its audience.

I am more curious about the reasoning behind it myself, because it is not immediately clear to me what would now be considered offensive to someone, which would not have previously been considered offensive. The three items that I through out are just because LGBT and "rape culture" have been hot discussion topics and are really the only themes at work in that sequence (not rape, but exploitation of women). Unless it is something to do with the organized crime???

[Pokesan]

Would you object if SE pulled it with the expectation of higher sales from the title?

[iruinedyourday]

But you're a Bernie enthusiast, which means you're a Wars for Israel fan, which means you literally are a rape kidnapping and murder supporter. Wherein am I mistaken?

...right, I'm giving you too much credit by assuming you have thought any deeper about him than "he offered me free shit". My bad.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5330664de4b0c8441aea50d8/t/543fdeebe4b06639c593723f/1413471981600/what

[maskedmelon]

Would you object if SE pulled it with the expectation of higher sales from the title?

No, that is what I thought we were discussing; the reasons why they might have that expectation. I am annoyed with those who fostered that perception though.

If I don't like tomatoes on my sandwiches I am not going to bitch until sandwich shops stop offering tomatoes in their sandwiches. I'll just look for tomato free sandwiches or sandwich alternatives if those aren't offered. Why take other peoples' tomatoes from them?

[iruinedyourday]

No, that is what I thought we were discussing; the reasons why they might have that expectation. I am annoyed with those who fostered that perception though.

If I don't like tomatoes on my sandwiches I am not going to bitch until sandwich shops stop offering tomatoes in their sandwiches. I'll just look for tomato free sandwiches or sandwich alternatives if those aren't offered. Why take other peoples' tomatoes from them?

uh the mere fact that you want a sandwich without tomatoes is censorship and you are bad for trying to ruin gaming.

on top of that, its self censorship... which is even worse.

[Pokesan]

No, that is what I thought we were discussing; the reasons why they might have that expectation. I am annoyed with those who fostered that perception though.

If I don't like tomatoes on my sandwiches I am not going to bitch until sandwich shops stop offering tomatoes in their sandwiches. I'll just look for tomato free sandwiches or sandwich alternatives if those aren't offered. Why take other peoples' tomatoes from them?

good, good.

now apply the inverse.

[Filthy_Pagan]

I try real hard to meme good

[maskedmelon]

good, good.

now apply the inverse.

I've already endorsed (this is the third time now) sandwich shops that do not wish to serve tomatoes. That is their prerogative. Are you suggesting that all the regular patrons who enjoy tomatoes should go elsewhere? Doesn't make sense since I the one with the problem and they were happy with he service as is. Why would I do that?

What if I don't even eat sandwiches and I lobby for tomato-free sandwich exclusivity at sandwich shops? What then? Huh?

[Pokesan]

It's more like you're angry with the sandwich shop for offering a sandwich with the most popular ingredients.

Whether the sandwich you liked was once the most popular choice is completely irrelevant to their current goal of selling the most sandwiches they can and earning the most profit.

[maskedmelon]

Oh ok, so you contend that the rest of the sandwich shop patrons and/or sandwich esters in general no longer like tomatoes and I am alone I my tomato indifference. That may be and it's fine too if the case. I am just not convinced that most gamers have any issue at all with the Honey Bee Inn.

If the world in general deems tomatoes foul though, then business expansion would certainly be a challenge. I don't think that is the case either though. I do t think most people care about the content of other peoples' sandwiches. It just happens that the fee who do are very vocal about it.

I could be wrong though. The world may be most displeased with my indifference or appreciation of tomatoes.

I am most interested in why SE believes the world is against tomatoes. 70 years ago, sure, that whole sequence would have been offensive to many. But today?

[Pokesan]

I don't think tomatoes are a hill most sandwich consumers are willing to die on; I surely am not.

SE thinks they can make the most money without including HBI. This isn't censorship, it's a business decision. Demanding they include it, to their own (theoretical) financial harm, is unreasonable.

Do you think people will abstain from purchasing the game, solely because HBI was omitted?

[Pokesan]

Does it count as censorship if I intentionally ruin Kaga's threads with tomato chat?

this could be useful

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Does it count as censorship if I intentionally ruin Kaga's threads with tomato chat?

this could be useful

If they were accompanied by your usual high caliber zingers, I'd be ok with it. Is it censorship though? I suppose this might be the gray area where its subjective based on the person being 'silenced's' perspective, so in this case, no.

[iruinedyourday]

go on

http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/import/2013/images/2013/02/thinkingfyi.jpg?itok=mXSmaqcl

[James_Joyce]

he just put ur balls in his mouth bro

[Lurikeen]

Apples and oranges. If scum can profit from Japanese patriarchy being translated into English, that will add a profit motive to brainwashing men into the rape culture. This thing is just discrimination.

GAH! I make it to the second post on page one and find myself vehemently disagreeing with someone.

First of all, you toss out the loaded term "patriarchy" as if you even know what it means in a historical context. I mean what the hell, would you have the Japanese people do, rewrite history, or worse yet ignore it, so that they could somehow move "forward" into a what? A matriarchy? A non-sexual-archy? Seriously, do you even take time to think about the talking points you are fed by your progressive liberal masters? Talk about brainwashing. You my friend are the product of a progressive liberal brain washing camp, called "public education" and it wreaks through your comments.

Hopefully I am wrong about you and I am reading a bit of sarcasm which I have misunderstood.

[Pokesan]

GAH! I make it to the second post on page one and find myself vehemently disagreeing with someone.

First of all, you toss out the loaded term "patriarchy" as if you even know what it means in a historical context. I mean what the hell, would you have the Japanese people do, rewrite history, or worse yet ignore it, so that they could somehow move "forward" into a what? A matriarchy? A non-sexual-archy? Seriously, do you even take time to think about the talking points you are fed by your progressive liberal masters? Talk about brainwashing. You my friend are the product of a progressive liberal brain washing camp, called "public education" and it wreaks through your comments.

Hopefully I am wrong about you and I am reading a bit of sarcasm which I have misunderstood.

would you like some tomatoes, dumbass?