Making a Murderer

[Shrubwise]

Who's watched this/who is watching this? It's absolutely fascinating. It's on Netflix and I dare you to not binge watch it.

[Lu|zSect]

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[Jitsumo]

I finished it on Sat night and def binge watched the whole thing. Is this where we talk about everything and give spoilers to the end? I probably have 1,000 questions.

[Tasslehofp99]

Think there might be lots of important omissions by documentarians who made this, but it was good.

[James_Joyce]

ppl still give money to the MPAA, an organization that invests said money back into lobbying people to point guns at you to create an artificial monopoly so you have no choice but to pay for more oppression or be called Amish? when the internet exists? yikes

[iruinedyourday]

If you like this show you should watch:

The Jinx (HBO)
Paradise Lost Trillogy (HBO)
Serial (Podcast)

um.. those are the 3 I can think of.

Oh and I think the lawyers for the defense, though they seemed smart, were pretty... Idk.. bad?

It's not like they Erin Brokoviched this case that much.. I mean they did with the vial of blood, but in Erin Brockovich they would have done their own testing, not just FBI testing of the bloodstains.

Is just scooping the key up off a bedroom floor enough to attach that bedroom owners DNA on it? I dont know, sees like that could be a good case to make.

But they didn't really go out and investigate the crime. Like they should have done more investigation at the second burn site, they surely could have found something.

I honestly think there should have been more investigation of other folks in the area, like those creepy relatives that had nothing nice to say about Steven on the stand...

One thing you'll learn watching Paradise Lost no matter how guilty someone might look or seem, if you just look around you you might find someone who looks WAY guiltier, and in a documentary, since you only see who they the filmmakers themselves are looking at, you might be missing the obvious perp sitting there, just a block down the road.

About Stevens case.. As I was watching Making a murderer I thought to myself, shouldn't you want to have Brandon and Steven on trial for the murder, together? Brandon's confession is so absurd and obviously false, yet it was the very reason they were able to arrest Steven. Wouldn't you want the prosecution to come at you with such obviously false claims if you were Stevens lawyers?

If they did, would they have a better chance at getting off? No evidence in the house or bed of any rape, no evidence in the garage of any shooting other than the bullet, no blood, a huge mess of clutter, nothing there either. I mean you saw the show, there was nothing that had to do with anything Brandon said.

When they were so excited each time one of the counts from the Brandon confession was removed from Avery's case all I could think is, why would want the prosecution to be forced to distance itself from such an obviously false claim?

All that said if they did this wouldn't it mean for Brandon's case they would have spent more time going over with a fine tooth comb investigating with dna evidence discovering that there was no damage to the bed from rape/binding, blood or anything to corroborate his confession at all?

And why wasn't that something his defense even seemed to try to push for at the end anyway? How can you send someone to jail for making a confession about a murder, that cannot and does not match the evidence at all? its like he may as well said he road a dinosaur into the trailer and tail whipped her to death... then he actually gets prosecuted for tail whipping a woman to death with a dinosaur!! This system of law makes zero sense to me, zero.

Maybe the Brandon trial was abridged a lot compared to the Avery trial, but it seemed like there was all this attention to detail to proving how wrong the confession was during the Avery trial, but it didn't seem so during Brandon's.

I dont think the police did it, I don't think there was a major conspiracy or anything. I do think the police wanted to arrest someone as quickly as possible and did not and do not ever really care, if they have the right person. I think thats what happened here. I think that the killer is likely a relative other than Brandon and I think he was interviewed in the documentary, but not investigated.

I just dont see any motive to suddenly be like, hmm ill rape this woman because I'm about to get 36 mil from the state and I'm also engaged to someone who loves me and I'm very excited about that.

Just doesn't add up. But a real cold blooded relative? in the sticks? that makes sense.

[Barkingturtle]

I've was falsely accused of a felony once. I was facing about twenty years. In the end, it took a brief incarceration, seven subsequent years of monthly court dates, house arrest, and tens of thousands of dollars to clear my name. There was no recompense, of course. Really, I was fortunate.

Watching this documentary was almost too much. I recommend it to anyone looking for something to be fucking outraged about. In my experience, this is how detectives and district attorneys go about their business. THAT is the major conspiracy at play here. The criminal justice system is about convictions, period, while only claiming to care about truth.

[James_Joyce]

If you like this show you should watch:

The Jinx (HBO)
Paradise Lost Trillogy (HBO)
Serial (Podcast)

um.. those are the 3 I can think of.

Oh and I think the lawyers for the defense, though they seemed smart, were pretty... Idk.. bad?

It's not like they Erin Brokoviched this case that much.. I mean they did with the vial of blood, but in Erin Brockovich they would have done their own testing, not just FBI testing of the bloodstains.

Is just scooping the key up off a bedroom floor enough to attach that bedroom owners DNA on it? I dont know, sees like that could be a good case to make.

But they didn't really go out and investigate the crime. Like they should have done more investigation at the second burn site, they surely could have found something.

I honestly think there should have been more investigation of other folks in the area, like those creepy relatives that had nothing nice to say about Steven on the stand...

One thing you'll learn watching Paradise Lost no matter how guilty someone might look or seem, if you just look around you you might find someone who looks WAY guiltier, and in a documentary, since you only see who they the filmmakers themselves are looking at, you might be missing the obvious perp sitting there, just a block down the road.

About Stevens case.. As I was watching Making a murderer I thought to myself, shouldn't you want to have Brandon and Steven on trial for the murder, together? Brandon's confession is so absurd and obviously false, yet it was the very reason they were able to arrest Steven. Wouldn't you want the prosecution to come at you with such obviously false claims if you were Stevens lawyers?

If they did, would they have a better chance at getting off? No evidence in the house or bed of any rape, no evidence in the garage of any shooting other than the bullet, no blood, a huge mess of clutter, nothing there either. I mean you saw the show, there was nothing that had to do with anything Brandon said.

When they were so excited each time one of the counts from the Brandon confession was removed from Avery's case all I could think is, why would want the prosecution to be forced to distance itself from such an obviously false claim?

All that said if they did this wouldn't it mean for Brandon's case they would have spent more time going over with a fine tooth comb investigating with dna evidence discovering that there was no damage to the bed from rape/binding, blood or anything to corroborate his confession at all?

And why wasn't that something his defense even seemed to try to push for at the end anyway? How can you send someone to jail for making a confession about a murder, that cannot and does not match the evidence at all? its like he may as well said he road a dinosaur into the trailer and tail whipped her to death... then he actually gets prosecuted for tail whipping a woman to death with a dinosaur!! This system of law makes zero sense to me, zero.

Maybe the Brandon trial was abridged a lot compared to the Avery trial, but it seemed like there was all this attention to detail to proving how wrong the confession was during the Avery trial, but it didn't seem so during Brandon's.

I dont think the police did it, I don't think there was a major conspiracy or anything. I do think the police wanted to arrest someone as quickly as possible and did not and do not ever really care, if they have the right person. I think thats what happened here. I think that the killer is likely a relative other than Brandon and I think he was interviewed in the documentary, but not investigated.

I just dont see any motive to suddenly be like, hmm ill rape this woman because I'm about to get 36 mil from the state and I'm also engaged to someone who loves me and I'm very excited about that.

Just doesn't add up. But a real cold blooded relative? in the sticks? that makes sense.

did you actually write all that shit? im not about to read enough of it to find out

[iruinedyourday]

THAT is the major conspiracy at play here. The criminal justice system is about convictions, period, while only claiming to care about truth.

I was watching a documentary about politics from the 60s and was outraged at how, everything we're arguing about right now they argued about 40 years ago.

buuut on the bright side, I like to think that we are on the tail end of fixing problems that take 40 years to fix.

So that makes me think, our corrupt broken justice system will be fixed!

Just not be fixed until 2056.

Maybe things will move 50% faster since we aren't all ass backwards conservatives IRL and we'll only have to wait for 2031 or something.

Either way I agree, corruption in our criminal justice system needs to be squashed. They had a great quote at the end of MaM that resonated pretty profoundly with me, 'we just dont think the law is wrong, we believe the people that maintain it are innocent until the end, we don't want to know our system is as broken as it really is'

We just love the idea of blind justice and think its real.

But it aint.

...the answer?

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[Sidelle]

I love documentaries. Especially ones based on finding missing persons and solving murders. Gut-wrenching stuff at times, like the Paradise Lost series. That kind of stuff makes me cry. :(

One of the more memorable ones lately really shocked the hell out of me.
9/11: Decade of Deception (updated) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48&itct=CBkQpDAYAiITCOCawe-qkcoCFUwovgod_S0HWDIHcmVsYXRlZEjcrqLqzLOQ-J0B)

That whole "Bush knocked down the towers" or "it was an inside job" thing. I thought you all were just kidding. Wow. I had no idea... :o

[iruinedyourday]

I love documentaries. Especially ones based on finding missing persons and solving murders. Gut-wrenching stuff at times, like the Paradise Lost series. That kind of stuff makes me cry. :(


Paradise lost:

did you finnish paradise lost tho? all 3 of them? the third one is... spolilers..................>>> tears of joy!

[Sidelle]

Paradise lost:

did you finnish paradise lost tho? all 3 of them? the third one is... spolilers..................>>> tears of joy!
Yeah, I saw! That was awesome but still bittersweet to me. Those guys had their lives ruined because people were really crazy retarded about so-called devil worship. Livin in dat bible belt must really suck. The only fun times to be had: joining hysterical witch hunts and jumping on bandwagons.

Anyone with a brain could see through Damian back then. Just a rebellious teen doing the whole goth thing for fuck's sake..

The worst part is the true killer (one of the dads) got away with it. Those poor little boys. :(

[iruinedyourday]

Yeah, I saw! That was awesome but still bittersweet to me. Those guys had their lives ruined because people were really crazy retarded about so-called devil worship. Livin in dat bible belt must really suck. The only fun times to be had: joining hysterical witch hunts and jumping on bandwagons.

Anyone with a brain could see through Damian back then. Just a rebellious teen doing the whole goth thing for fuck's sake..

The worst part is the true killer (one of the dads) got away with it. Those poor little boys. :(

inst it amazing tho (I'm sure you just as I did, just as everyone I've ever known did) was sure the father of one of the boys, that crazy ass dude, was the murderer? For two documentaries, for years in between them I was sure it was him.. then all of the sudden they introduce this new suspect that third doc that had pretty much completely left out, that was never really investigated and its like 10 seconds of his interview your like HOLY SHIT THAT FUCKER DID IT WHOAH! so much so even the dad was like IT WASN'T THESE KIDS, IT WAS THIS GUY!... that just really stuck with me how you can see so much evidence, be so convinced about something, and so quickly can be proved wrong, whoah!!!

another thing I thought was suuuuuper interesting was in part 2, there is a new crime scene investigator looking at the evidence for the documentary and he is just like, left and right throwing out all these amazing statements about the evidence that you're like HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS AMAZING! he knows EVERYTHING about this scene, how could they still be in jail?! with this guy knowing so much amazing shit!?!! he is SO SMART!!... but then then again, in the 3rd documentary, they bring out an even better attorney that is like, "uh those are not knife marks, they are from a coyote and they generally eat the groin because of the soft flesh etc etc and its like EVERYTHING the guy in part two said, (who seemed so smart and correct when reviewing all the evidence) gets completely dashed apart by this even better attorney.

It just really showed me in that doc how you can believe something, you can think it makes so much sense, you can even see it in court TWICE and have many people insist that X means Y and you'll believe it, but you can STILL be wrong.

There was so much I thought was so right, so much that everyone Ive known thought was right about that case that was just ripped apart by the amazing attorney hired in part three, that it just really is eye opening that its just damn hard to tell what the fuck actually really happened in any situation like that.

I dont think I could be a juror cus id just be like, INNOCENT! HES INNOCENT IDK WTF IDK HOW WE CAN THINK WERE RIGHT. I CANT SEND SOMEONE TO JAIL FOR SOMETHING IDK. INNOCENT.

So yea id make a terrible juror heh

[Sidelle]

inst it amazing tho (I'm sure you just as I did, just as everyone I've ever known did) was sure the father of one of the boys, that crazy ass dude, was the murderer? For two documentaries, for years in between them I was sure it was him.. then all of the sudden they introduce this new suspect that third doc that had pretty much completely left out, that was never really investigated and its like 10 seconds of his interview your like HOLY SHIT THAT FUCKER DID IT WHOAH! so much so even the dad was like IT WASN'T THESE KIDS, IT WAS THIS GUY!... that just really stuck with me how you can see so much evidence, be so convinced about something, and so quickly can be proved wrong, whoah!!!

another thing I thought was suuuuuper interesting was in part 2, there is a new crime scene investigator looking at the evidence for the documentary and he is just like, left and right throwing out all these amazing statements about the evidence that you're like HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS AMAZING! he knows EVERYTHING about this scene, how could they still be in jail?! with this guy knowing so much amazing shit!?!! he is SO SMART!!... but then then again, in the 3rd documentary, they bring out an even better attorney that is like, "uh those are not knife marks, they are from a coyote and they generally eat the groin because of the soft flesh etc etc and its like EVERYTHING the guy in part two said, (who seemed so smart and correct when reviewing all the evidence) gets completely dashed apart by this even better attorney.

It just really showed me in that doc how you can believe something, you can think it makes so much sense, you can even see it in court TWICE and have many people insist that X means Y and you'll believe it, but you can STILL be wrong.

There was so much I thought was so right, so much that everyone Ive known thought was right about that case that was just ripped apart by the amazing attorney hired in part three, that it just really is eye opening that its just damn hard to tell what the fuck actually really happened in any situation like that.

I dont think I could be a juror cus id just be like, INNOCENT! HES INNOCENT IDK WTF IDK HOW WE CAN THINK WERE RIGHT. I CANT SEND SOMEONE TO JAIL FOR SOMETHING IDK. INNOCENT.

So yea id make a terrible juror heh
Lol, it's possible I need to watch #3 again. Seems like I've forgotten some things. I know they get released eventually but I can't remember a lot of it. They were all really good and totally worth watching again.

[iruinedyourday]

Lol, it's possible I need to watch #3 again. Seems like I've forgotten some things. I know they get released eventually but I can't remember a lot of it. They were all really good and totally worth watching again.

yea part 3 is the most mind blowing of them all, so much is just flipped turned upside down.

I cant recommend re watching it enough... and guys I cant recommend watching the entire trilogy enough, do it if you liked MaM!

[James_Joyce]

That whole "Bush knocked down the towers" or "it was an inside job" thing. I thought you all were just kidding. Wow. I had no idea... :o

I think you're finally ready to hear this Sidelle.

As comical as specific conspiracy theories about thermite, remote controlled black drone planes, and other unproveable bullshit are, I am being quite serious every time i say "bush knocked down the towers".

Considering that the best you can say of Mossad is that it knew what was coming and allowed it to happen, plus considering that the hijackers were all Saudi-connected, plus considering the close Bush family connection to Saudi, plus considering the Bush family connection to CIA (president of USA previously had literally inherited the CIA immediately after the MKULTRA/Phoenix Program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) days, click link if that does not sound familiar), plus considering the Bush affiliate business interests which boomed magnificently as a direct result of the attack's ramifications, I'd say you're stretching your faith in humanity pretty fucking far to say incompetence and callous opportunism were the worst sins committed by US officials with respect to 9/11. Shit you just said you already know girl what am I goin on about.

These are the same people who justify "extraordinary rendition" and gitmo practices to continue the MKULTRA line of inquiry into the scientific formula that breaks any human. It would appear starving men until they are forced to beg a leather daddy to be fed with ground chickpeas up the ass is the thrilling result of these decades of illegal, unethical, and unscientific research on humans.

Hold up let me hit this shit.
http://i.imgur.com/jP2Tio3.gif

Now, as a direct result of the laws passed in response to 9/11, these very same demons have access to the bulk communications data of the majority of the internet-connected world for the scientific refinement of psyops and the manipulation of human discourse on the population scale. Finally there is a machine which can collate psychological data about humans on such a scale as to make lines of research into the final suppression of the human spirit feasible, and a legal framework that allows it to happen. Which propaganda technique resulted in the greatest repetition of our keyphrases in human discourse both public and private? Which suppression/distraction techniques resulted in the optimal reduction of keyphrases we desire to minimize? The Earth as one extremely large psychological laboratory, collecting better data than any other lab ever has as the test subjects are utterly blind to what is happening and never consent to the test.

The whole privacy/blackmail thing most people bring up when talking about universal surveillance is scary, but it's a trivial side benefit compared to the real function -- literally harnessing the power of Lucifer.

Google already transcribes my voice mail with frightening accuracy. If you think the idea of kilobyte-sized transcriptions of all the voice picked up by these always-on devices (which are already listening for "Okay google" 24/7) being fed into a database for the population-scale monitoring of every human interaction, even those conducted offline, is moonbat tinfoil never gonna happen, you're probably just too frightened to face the inevitable future. And that's me being optimistic enough to not call it the present, only because the machine is maybe not yet refined enough to deal with the extreme backlash that would come from such a revelation becoming public. No, this tech is too important to be rejected; it will be introduced very gradually.

The collection infrastructure is growing rapidly, the data stockpile is growing exponentially, and there is currently a Manhattan Project style operation underway to unlock the secrets sitting in that data. We live in the precursor to the darkest times humanity will ever know, enjoying the last gasp of the Enlightenment. Whoever did 9/11, and whatever their intentions (highly likely they were unwitting pawns shopping for 72 virgins as advertised), they triggered the greatest and most fundamentally civilization-altering coup in the history of mankind.

[Lune]

I think you're finally ready to hear this Sidelle.

As comical as specific conspiracy theories about thermite, remote controlled black drone planes, and other unproveable bullshit are, I am being quite serious every time i say "bush knocked down the towers".

Considering that the best you can say of Mossad is that it knew what was coming and allowed it to happen, plus considering that the hijackers were all Saudi-connected, plus considering the close Bush family connection to Saudi, plus considering the Bush family connection to CIA (president of USA previously had literally inherited the CIA immediately after the MKULTRA/Phoenix Program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) days, click link if that does not sound familiar), plus considering the Bush affiliate business interests which boomed magnificently as a direct result of the attack's ramifications, I'd say you're stretching your faith in humanity pretty fucking far to say incompetence and callous opportunism were the worst sins committed by US officials with respect to 9/11. Shit you just said you already know girl what am I goin on about.

These are the same people who justify "extraordinary rendition" and gitmo practices to continue the MKULTRA line of inquiry into the scientific formula that breaks any human. It would appear starving men until they are forced to beg a leather daddy to be fed with ground chickpeas up the ass is the thrilling result of these decades of illegal, unethical, and unscientific research on humans.

Hold up let me hit this shit.
http://i.imgur.com/jP2Tio3.gif

Now, as a direct result of the laws passed in response to 9/11, these very same demons have access to the bulk communications data of the majority of the internet-connected world for the scientific refinement of psyops and the manipulation of human discourse on the population scale. Finally there is a machine which can collate psychological data about humans on such a scale as to make lines of research into the final suppression of the human spirit feasible, and a legal framework that allows it to happen. Which propaganda technique resulted in the greatest repetition of our keyphrases in human discourse both public and private? Which suppression/distraction techniques resulted in the optimal reduction of keyphrases we desire to minimize? The Earth as one extremely large psychological laboratory, collecting better data than any other lab ever has as the test subjects are utterly blind to what is happening and never consent to the test.

The whole privacy/blackmail thing most people bring up when talking about universal surveillance is scary, but it's a trivial side benefit compared to the real function -- literally harnessing the power of Lucifer.

Google already transcribes my voice mail with frightening accuracy. If you think the idea of kilobyte-sized transcriptions of all the voice picked up by these always-on devices (which are already listening for "Okay google" 24/7) being fed into a database for the population-scale monitoring of every human interaction, even those conducted offline, is moonbat tinfoil never gonna happen, you're probably just too frightened to face the inevitable future. And that's me being optimistic enough to not call it the present, only because the machine is maybe not yet refined enough to deal with the extreme backlash that would come from such a revelation becoming public. No, this tech is too important to be rejected; it will be introduced very gradually.

The collection infrastructure is growing rapidly, the data stockpile is growing exponentially, and there is currently a Manhattan Project style operation underway to unlock the secrets sitting in that data. We live in the precursor to the darkest times humanity will ever know, enjoying the last gasp of the Enlightenment. Whoever did 9/11, and whatever their intentions (highly likely they were unwitting pawns shopping for 72 virgins as advertised), they triggered the greatest and most fundamentally civilization-altering coup in the history of mankind.

Dumb but this was a fun post to read holy shit

5 stars

[Lu|zSect]

Known security lapses exploited until the game was patched is more likely than a planned conspiracy

Entertaining theory however big J

[Filthy_Pagan]

Paradise lost:

did you finnish paradise lost tho? all 3 of them? the third one is... spolilers..................>>> tears of joy!

Yeah, I saw! That was awesome but still bittersweet to me. Those guys had their lives ruined because people were really crazy retarded about so-called devil worship. Livin in dat bible belt must really suck. The only fun times to be had: joining hysterical witch hunts and jumping on bandwagons.

Anyone with a brain could see through Damian back then. Just a rebellious teen doing the whole goth thing for fuck's sake..

The worst part is the true killer (one of the dads) got away with it. Those poor little boys. :(

inst it amazing tho (I'm sure you just as I did, just as everyone I've ever known did) was sure the father of one of the boys, that crazy ass dude, was the murderer? For two documentaries, for years in between them I was sure it was him.. then all of the sudden they introduce this new suspect that third doc that had pretty much completely left out, that was never really investigated and its like 10 seconds of his interview your like HOLY SHIT THAT FUCKER DID IT WHOAH! so much so even the dad was like IT WASN'T THESE KIDS, IT WAS THIS GUY!... that just really stuck with me how you can see so much evidence, be so convinced about something, and so quickly can be proved wrong, whoah!!!

another thing I thought was suuuuuper interesting was in part 2, there is a new crime scene investigator looking at the evidence for the documentary and he is just like, left and right throwing out all these amazing statements about the evidence that you're like HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS AMAZING! he knows EVERYTHING about this scene, how could they still be in jail?! with this guy knowing so much amazing shit!?!! he is SO SMART!!... but then then again, in the 3rd documentary, they bring out an even better attorney that is like, "uh those are not knife marks, they are from a coyote and they generally eat the groin because of the soft flesh etc etc and its like EVERYTHING the guy in part two said, (who seemed so smart and correct when reviewing all the evidence) gets completely dashed apart by this even better attorney.

It just really showed me in that doc how you can believe something, you can think it makes so much sense, you can even see it in court TWICE and have many people insist that X means Y and you'll believe it, but you can STILL be wrong.

There was so much I thought was so right, so much that everyone Ive known thought was right about that case that was just ripped apart by the amazing attorney hired in part three, that it just really is eye opening that its just damn hard to tell what the fuck actually really happened in any situation like that.

I dont think I could be a juror cus id just be like, INNOCENT! HES INNOCENT IDK WTF IDK HOW WE CAN THINK WERE RIGHT. I CANT SEND SOMEONE TO JAIL FOR SOMETHING IDK. INNOCENT.

So yea id make a terrible juror heh

Lol, it's possible I need to watch #3 again. Seems like I've forgotten some things. I know they get released eventually but I can't remember a lot of it. They were all really good and totally worth watching again.

yea part 3 is the most mind blowing of them all, so much is just flipped turned upside down.

I cant recommend re watching it enough... and guys I cant recommend watching the entire trilogy enough, do it if you liked MaM!

You two are being too sneaky with your spoiler tags. Pretty sure there's some rulebreaking going on here but I'm too lazy to check

[Shrubwise]

I am impressed with the spoiler tag usage. That is all.

The thing which fastinates me about Making a Murderer, particularly, is watching the testimonies and more specifically the body language/tone of people testifying. It's fun to watch someone, the way they move and speak, and think, Oh, you son of a bitch, you are so fucking lying.

[Lionsfan616]

I think you're finally ready to hear this Sidelle.

As comical as specific conspiracy theories about thermite, remote controlled black drone planes, and other unproveable bullshit are, I am being quite serious every time i say "bush knocked down the towers".

Considering that the best you can say of Mossad is that it knew what was coming and allowed it to happen, plus considering that the hijackers were all Saudi-connected, plus considering the close Bush family connection to Saudi, plus considering the Bush family connection to CIA (president of USA previously had literally inherited the CIA immediately after the MKULTRA/Phoenix Program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) days, click link if that does not sound familiar), plus considering the Bush affiliate business interests which boomed magnificently as a direct result of the attack's ramifications, I'd say you're stretching your faith in humanity pretty fucking far to say incompetence and callous opportunism were the worst sins committed by US officials with respect to 9/11. Shit you just said you already know girl what am I goin on about.

These are the same people who justify "extraordinary rendition" and gitmo practices to continue the MKULTRA line of inquiry into the scientific formula that breaks any human. It would appear starving men until they are forced to beg a leather daddy to be fed with ground chickpeas up the ass is the thrilling result of these decades of illegal, unethical, and unscientific research on humans.

Hold up let me hit this shit.
http://i.imgur.com/jP2Tio3.gif

Now, as a direct result of the laws passed in response to 9/11, these very same demons have access to the bulk communications data of the majority of the internet-connected world for the scientific refinement of psyops and the manipulation of human discourse on the population scale. Finally there is a machine which can collate psychological data about humans on such a scale as to make lines of research into the final suppression of the human spirit feasible, and a legal framework that allows it to happen. Which propaganda technique resulted in the greatest repetition of our keyphrases in human discourse both public and private? Which suppression/distraction techniques resulted in the optimal reduction of keyphrases we desire to minimize? The Earth as one extremely large psychological laboratory, collecting better data than any other lab ever has as the test subjects are utterly blind to what is happening and never consent to the test.

The whole privacy/blackmail thing most people bring up when talking about universal surveillance is scary, but it's a trivial side benefit compared to the real function -- literally harnessing the power of Lucifer.

Google already transcribes my voice mail with frightening accuracy. If you think the idea of kilobyte-sized transcriptions of all the voice picked up by these always-on devices (which are already listening for "Okay google" 24/7) being fed into a database for the population-scale monitoring of every human interaction, even those conducted offline, is moonbat tinfoil never gonna happen, you're probably just too frightened to face the inevitable future. And that's me being optimistic enough to not call it the present, only because the machine is maybe not yet refined enough to deal with the extreme backlash that would come from such a revelation becoming public. No, this tech is too important to be rejected; it will be introduced very gradually.

The collection infrastructure is growing rapidly, the data stockpile is growing exponentially, and there is currently a Manhattan Project style operation underway to unlock the secrets sitting in that data. We live in the precursor to the darkest times humanity will ever know, enjoying the last gasp of the Enlightenment. Whoever did 9/11, and whatever their intentions (highly likely they were unwitting pawns shopping for 72 virgins as advertised), they triggered the greatest and most fundamentally civilization-altering coup in the history of mankind.

Fascinating

perfect 5/7

[Filthy_Pagan]

I think you're finally ready to hear this Sidelle.

As comical as specific conspiracy theories about thermite, remote controlled black drone planes, and other unproveable bullshit are, I am being quite serious every time i say "bush knocked down the towers".

Considering that the best you can say of Mossad is that it knew what was coming and allowed it to happen, plus considering that the hijackers were all Saudi-connected, plus considering the close Bush family connection to Saudi, plus considering the Bush family connection to CIA (president of USA previously had literally inherited the CIA immediately after the MKULTRA/Phoenix Program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) days, click link if that does not sound familiar), plus considering the Bush affiliate business interests which boomed magnificently as a direct result of the attack's ramifications, I'd say you're stretching your faith in humanity pretty fucking far to say incompetence and callous opportunism were the worst sins committed by US officials with respect to 9/11. Shit you just said you already know girl what am I goin on about.

These are the same people who justify "extraordinary rendition" and gitmo practices to continue the MKULTRA line of inquiry into the scientific formula that breaks any human. It would appear starving men until they are forced to beg a leather daddy to be fed with ground chickpeas up the ass is the thrilling result of these decades of illegal, unethical, and unscientific research on humans.

Hold up let me hit this shit.
http://i.imgur.com/jP2Tio3.gif

Now, as a direct result of the laws passed in response to 9/11, these very same demons have access to the bulk communications data of the majority of the internet-connected world for the scientific refinement of psyops and the manipulation of human discourse on the population scale. Finally there is a machine which can collate psychological data about humans on such a scale as to make lines of research into the final suppression of the human spirit feasible, and a legal framework that allows it to happen. Which propaganda technique resulted in the greatest repetition of our keyphrases in human discourse both public and private? Which suppression/distraction techniques resulted in the optimal reduction of keyphrases we desire to minimize? The Earth as one extremely large psychological laboratory, collecting better data than any other lab ever has as the test subjects are utterly blind to what is happening and never consent to the test.

The whole privacy/blackmail thing most people bring up when talking about universal surveillance is scary, but it's a trivial side benefit compared to the real function -- literally harnessing the power of Lucifer.

Google already transcribes my voice mail with frightening accuracy. If you think the idea of kilobyte-sized transcriptions of all the voice picked up by these always-on devices (which are already listening for "Okay google" 24/7) being fed into a database for the population-scale monitoring of every human interaction, even those conducted offline, is moonbat tinfoil never gonna happen, you're probably just too frightened to face the inevitable future. And that's me being optimistic enough to not call it the present, only because the machine is maybe not yet refined enough to deal with the extreme backlash that would come from such a revelation becoming public. No, this tech is too important to be rejected; it will be introduced very gradually.

The collection infrastructure is growing rapidly, the data stockpile is growing exponentially, and there is currently a Manhattan Project style operation underway to unlock the secrets sitting in that data. We live in the precursor to the darkest times humanity will ever know, enjoying the last gasp of the Enlightenment. Whoever did 9/11, and whatever their intentions (highly likely they were unwitting pawns shopping for 72 virgins as advertised), they triggered the greatest and most fundamentally civilization-altering coup in the history of mankind.

This is a man with eyes wide open. Start stockpiling ammo, folks.

[Sidelle]

Thread delivered. Special "thank you" to James_Joyce. :p

[Ella`Ella]

The thing which fastinates me about Making a Murderer, particularly, is watching the testimonies and more specifically the body language/tone of people testifying. It's fun to watch someone, the way they move and speak, and think, Oh, you son of a bitch, you are so fucking lying.

http://www.herstorygame.com/ was actually pretty entertaining and along these lines.

[Thulack]

I was watching a documentary about politics from the 60s and was outraged at how, everything we're arguing about right now they argued about 40 years ago.

buuut on the bright side, I like to think that we are on the tail end of fixing problems that take 40 years to fix.

So that makes me think, our corrupt broken justice system will be fixed!

Just not be fixed until 2056.

Maybe things will move 50% faster since we aren't all ass backwards conservatives IRL and we'll only have to wait for 2031 or something.

Either way I agree, corruption in our criminal justice system needs to be squashed. They had a great quote at the end of MaM that resonated pretty profoundly with me, 'we just dont think the law is wrong, we believe the people that maintain it are innocent until the end, we don't want to know our system is as broken as it really is'

We just love the idea of blind justice and think its real.

But it aint.

...the answer?

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/robocop/images/e/ef/Ed209.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100116202642

As long as people are legally allowed to bribe politicians(lobbyists) nothing will ever change.

[iruinedyourday]

As long as people are legally allowed to bribe politicians(lobbyists) nothing will ever change.

as pessimistic as I am like everyone else.. the one constant in the human condition is every decade it gets better.

So to that I say, one, everything is always changing for the better, and two, it will continue to forever!

:D

This positive message about the human condition was brought to you by Bronco the makers of bronco and its subsidiaries.

[Ahldagor]

as pessimistic as I am like everyone else.. the one constant in the human condition is every decade it gets better.

So to that I say, one, everything is always changing for the better, and two, it will continue to forever!

:D

This positive message about the human condition was brought to you by Bronco the makers of bronco and its subsidiaries.

Nah man, the babyboomers set us back more than Nixon did politcally.

[mmmroo]

If you guy's liked that series check this documentary on Netflix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HW0d1NO9Y4

[mmmroo]

I think you're finally ready to hear this Sidelle.

As comical as specific conspiracy theories about thermite, remote controlled black drone planes, and other unproveable bullshit are, I am being quite serious every time i say "bush knocked down the towers".

Considering that the best you can say of Mossad is that it knew what was coming and allowed it to happen, plus considering that the hijackers were all Saudi-connected, plus considering the close Bush family connection to Saudi, plus considering the Bush family connection to CIA (president of USA previously had literally inherited the CIA immediately after the MKULTRA/Phoenix Program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) days, click link if that does not sound familiar), plus considering the Bush affiliate business interests which boomed magnificently as a direct result of the attack's ramifications, I'd say you're stretching your faith in humanity pretty fucking far to say incompetence and callous opportunism were the worst sins committed by US officials with respect to 9/11. Shit you just said you already know girl what am I goin on about.

These are the same people who justify "extraordinary rendition" and gitmo practices to continue the MKULTRA line of inquiry into the scientific formula that breaks any human. It would appear starving men until they are forced to beg a leather daddy to be fed with ground chickpeas up the ass is the thrilling result of these decades of illegal, unethical, and unscientific research on humans.

Hold up let me hit this shit.
http://i.imgur.com/jP2Tio3.gif

Now, as a direct result of the laws passed in response to 9/11, these very same demons have access to the bulk communications data of the majority of the internet-connected world for the scientific refinement of psyops and the manipulation of human discourse on the population scale. Finally there is a machine which can collate psychological data about humans on such a scale as to make lines of research into the final suppression of the human spirit feasible, and a legal framework that allows it to happen. Which propaganda technique resulted in the greatest repetition of our keyphrases in human discourse both public and private? Which suppression/distraction techniques resulted in the optimal reduction of keyphrases we desire to minimize? The Earth as one extremely large psychological laboratory, collecting better data than any other lab ever has as the test subjects are utterly blind to what is happening and never consent to the test.

The whole privacy/blackmail thing most people bring up when talking about universal surveillance is scary, but it's a trivial side benefit compared to the real function -- literally harnessing the power of Lucifer.

Google already transcribes my voice mail with frightening accuracy. If you think the idea of kilobyte-sized transcriptions of all the voice picked up by these always-on devices (which are already listening for "Okay google" 24/7) being fed into a database for the population-scale monitoring of every human interaction, even those conducted offline, is moonbat tinfoil never gonna happen, you're probably just too frightened to face the inevitable future. And that's me being optimistic enough to not call it the present, only because the machine is maybe not yet refined enough to deal with the extreme backlash that would come from such a revelation becoming public. No, this tech is too important to be rejected; it will be introduced very gradually.

The collection infrastructure is growing rapidly, the data stockpile is growing exponentially, and there is currently a Manhattan Project style operation underway to unlock the secrets sitting in that data. We live in the precursor to the darkest times humanity will ever know, enjoying the last gasp of the Enlightenment. Whoever did 9/11, and whatever their intentions (highly likely they were unwitting pawns shopping for 72 virgins as advertised), they triggered the greatest and most fundamentally civilization-altering coup in the history of mankind.


Have you seen this documentary bro?

Your not at all a tinfoil hat person hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HW0d1NO9Y4