Addiction is not a disease

[Filthy_Pagan]

Clearly it would take a drug addict to think up something as asinine as that. Name a single other disease that willpower cures. Name a single other disease where the using the symptom causes the disease. It's just a way for addicts to remove accountability from themselves and a way for the healthcare racket in america to convince people that they need an expensive doctor's help to beat.

[Heebo]

Obesity

[Filthy_Pagan]

Obesity

Food addiction and lack of willpower. Also not a disease.

[indiscriminate_hater]

i think he's just saying yer fat OP

[Filthy_Pagan]

He must be one of those addicts who get mad when you tell them it's their fault

[Thulack]

Clearly it would take a drug addict to think up something as asinine as that. Name a single other disease that willpower cures. Name a single other disease where the using the symptom causes the disease. It's just a way for addicts to remove accountability from themselves and a way for the healthcare racket in america to convince people that they need an expensive doctor's help to beat.

Obviously youre someone without a addiction issue so you would say this. Just because some people are able to willfully say no to something and dont have a addictive personality as i like to call it doesnt mean that everyone falls into that category and that anything different from that is the persons fault. A lot of people have addictive personalities. It might not be drugs or alcohol or anything that would hurt them but it is still a addiction. Take people work out every day of the week or people that tan every single day. There are things that are wrong with these people mentally that just saying "oh you should have the willpower to say no" wont fix. Maybe you should have a little more empathy for people it wouldnt make you look like such a dick.

[Zade]

ITT - OP is fat, blames drug addicts and mcdonalds

[Filthy_Pagan]

Obviously youre someone without a addiction issue so you would say this. Just because some people are able to willfully say no to something and dont have a addictive personality as i like to call it doesnt mean that everyone falls into that category and that anything different from that is the persons fault. A lot of people have addictive personalities. It might not be drugs or alcohol or anything that would hurt them but it is still a addiction. Take people work out every day of the week or people that tan every single day. There are things that are wrong with these people mentally that just saying "oh you should have the willpower to say no" wont fix. Maybe you should have a little more empathy for people it wouldnt make you look like such a dick.

I dont even know where to start telling you you're wrong.

"addictive personality"= PC code word for "lack of willpower and lazy"

Fat people and addicts like yourself can't handle the weight of responsibility for their situation because theyre either frail from drugs or already carrying 6 people worth of fat.

You can't compare working out regularly to being some overweight lard who cant find the strength to stop buying fast food thats 50% fat and 50% plastic. You can't compare someone who works out with some smelly junkie that steals or sells their boy to buy harmful addictive substances that tey got themselves hooked on in the first place.

there is 100% zero room for empathy, sympathy, compassion, or caring for people who ruin themselves of their own accord and then expect to pass the blame by calling it a disease.


Also Zade is wrong, too. Just got done with chest and back day and im sippin on a protein rich, home made smoothie. stay mad tubby

[Cymeon]

Obesity

[Lictor]

Nah obesity caused by thyroid problem, duh not their fault they have condisuns!

[iruinedyourday]

we should just shoot the weak people amirght?

like everyone here that plays this game is def weak and should be clensed.

this is the first place

I MIGHT HAVE TO OIL UP MY LEATHERS AND START CLEANSING CUS OP IS RIGHT

[Stasis01]

I'd say I have an addictive personality, and it's my fault not a disease.

The problem is when you cut everything out you start to wonder what's the point of even living.

Moderation is tough to maintain.

[iruinedyourday]

The truth is for a hundred years science and brillant minds have proven OP is just someone who plays an elf sim and isnt qualified to make these types of generalizations

BUT MY LEATHERS ARE OILED UP AND READY TO GO TO CLEANSE THIS PLACE CUS OP HAS GOT ME RAGING AT THE WEAKER PEOPLE OF SOCIETY AMIRIGHT?!

[Madbad]

im sippin on a protein rich, home made smoothie



I'll bet :rolleyes:

[AzzarTheGod]

people that tan every single day.

This releases natural narcotics (endorphins). It is considered an addiction by medical definition by any doctor who has read the literature.

Don't have the study off hand. They took 2 groups, one tanned for 8 weeks, the other did nothing.

They gave both groups naltrexone after the 8 weeks and monitored them closely for signs of endorphin withdrawal, and sure enough naltrexone instituted opioid withdrawal syndrome in only the tanning group.

Just thought it was funny you mentioned an actual activity that is proven by science to have the potential for addiction.

[AzzarTheGod]

The problem is when you cut everything out you start to wonder what's the point of even living.



This man has obviously been denied a good education.

Nihilism is the path of the know-nothing and the unevolved.

Keep asking the above as your guiding question in life if you want to be a huge loser, and a hair less primitive than a caveman.

[James_Joyce]

Addiction is initiated by bad decisions, but it's bullshit to say that something with crippling physical symptoms is in no way a disease. It's like saying a broken arm from wanton dangerous skateboarding doesn't count as an injury.

Nevertheless, another five-star thread from the SoRP.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Addiction is initiated by bad decisions, but it's bullshit to say that something with crippling physical symptoms is in no way a disease. It's like saying a broken arm from wanton dangerous skateboarding doesn't count as an injury.

Nevertheless, another five-star thread from the SoRP.
Saying addiction is a disease is like saying that skateboarding is a disease. It's a conscious choice someone makes, knowing that there are potential consequences. Don't do an addictive substance and you won't get hooked on it. It's as simple as that.


People don't do AIDS repeatedly until they have AIDS.

[AzzarTheGod]

Addiction is initiated by bad decisions, but it's bullshit to say that something with crippling physical symptoms is in no way a disease. It's like saying a broken arm from wanton dangerous skateboarding doesn't count as an injury.

Nevertheless, another five-star thread from the SoRP.



Would have totally agreed with this pals thread if he had set aside any opiate/opioid medicahshuns.

You could get into a huge war about physical dependence versus addiction though, and this semantics battle on the medical description of what constitutes either is still as hot a topic as it was in the 1970's.

On relevant forums this alone generates 100 pages worth of posts per thread on that argument alone. It gets so heated I'm convinced people have been punched in the face over it throughout history on both sides.

Thank god we are on p99. Blessed be the SoRP.

Don't do an addictive substance and you won't get hooked on it. It's as simple as that.



And when it is prescribed to an unknowing patient from assault/battery injuries, or a sporting accident, or car accident?

STAND DOWN FILTHY PAGAN.

[Filthy_Pagan]

we should just shoot the weak people amirght?

like everyone here that plays this game is def weak and should be clensed.

this is the first place

I MIGHT HAVE TO OIL UP MY LEATHERS AND START CLEANSING CUS OP IS RIGHT

Spoken like a true addict.

I'm not suggesting we kill addicts. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I don't think we should waste time, effort, or medical supplies on people who overdose though.

Would you have pity for a crack dealer getting arrested for consciously choosing to sell crack? It's cause and effect, my substance abusing friend.

[Big_Japan]

I don't think we should waste time, effort, or medical supplies on people who overdose though.

actually i totally agree with this. you're either on the suicidal track if you OD, or it's "natural selection at work" -holly windstalker

I woulda been pissed if someone fucked me out of one of my better nods with some narcan cause I seemed too sleepy anyway.

[Filthy_Pagan]

And when it is prescribed to an unknowing patient from assault/battery injuries, or a sporting accident, or car accident?

STAND DOWN FILTHY PAGAN.

The reason they prescribe opiates s because they're addictive. That's why we invaded Afghanistan. After we took over, they started producing like 91% of the world's poppy.

There are other alternatives when it comes to pain management, and all of them are devoid of the risk of physical addiction. Why would they need a drug so strong for an injury anyway? Pain won't kill you unless you're already really fat and have a weak heart, which would be a side effect of yet another addiction: food.

[Big_Japan]

The reason they prescribe opiates s because they're addictive.
Bingo.

Check out (http://archive.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/articles/2009/06/12/20090612gans.html) what I found when I googled the name of my doc, who started me with methadone + oxycodone in combination at age 22 before we tried anything milder or shorter acting. FYI, hydromorphone does almost nothing when taken orally thanks to something like 20% oral bioavailability, but if you inject it it's a wicked rush and you get the equivalent of about 5x supply of the drug hitting your brain. If you have it prescribed the temptation to inject is absolutely ridiculous. IV use is the only plausible way Gans could have OD'd on it. I don't think it should be given on a take-home basis under any circumstances personally.

With more common oral drugs hydrocodone, oxycodone, methadone the oral BA is more like 80%+ so you'll only get a fractional percentage increase by injecting, not a 500% increase.

There are other alternatives when it comes to pain management, and all of them are devoid of the risk of physical addiction. Why would they need a drug so strong for an injury anyway? Pain won't kill you unless you're already really fat and have a weak heart, which would be a side effect of yet another addiction: food.

This however is bullshit unless you consider manning up to be an alternative. I have given up on ever being treated for my chronic pain condition. I'll just have electric lightning pain melting my cock for a few hours every time I reach orgasm for the rest of my life I guess.

[AzzarTheGod]

This however is bullshit unless you consider manning up to be an alternative. I have given up on ever being treated for my chronic pain condition. I'll just have electric lightning pain melting my cock for a few hours every time I reach orgasm for the rest of my life I guess.

Sounds neuropathic. If haven't yet, gabapentin or pregballin (a scummy stronger version of gabapentin that some people are allergic to) are becoming more first-line treatments for neuropathic pain over opioid medications. Would have to adjust your other medications possibly, some docs will stack it on in a low dose.

Interestingly enough gabapentin is the only thing proven anecdotally (some scientifically) to ameliorate much of the opioid withdrawal syndrome. Many people exit their opioid dependency with a strong course of gabapentin in the acute withdrawal phase.

[Big_Japan]

Sounds neuropathic. If haven't yet, gabapentin or pregballin (a scummy stronger version of gabapentin that some people are allergic to) are becoming more first-line treatments for neuropathic pain over opioid medications. Would have to adjust your other medications possibly, some docs will stack it on in a low dose.

It's not neuropathic pain, it's just one more face of an angry god who punishes his chosen children for every moment they spend deviating from the path of final victory. I think he may also derive pleasure from torturing me sexually.

[AzzarTheGod]

It's not neuropathic pain, it's just one more face of an angry god who punishes his chosen children for every moment they spend deviating from the path of final victory. I think he may also derive pleasure from torturing me sexually.

Oh in that case narcotics in maximum amounts would be indicated.

Man these gods are hatin

[Big_Japan]

No no, he punishes even harder for that. Always rewarded me for large quantities of LSD tho. Which, by the way, is the only thing that completely erases acute opioid withdrawal symptoms temporarily.

I think he wants me to remain ascetic until the approaching moment of my instrumentality, or else he's just a prick sadist.

[Filthy_Pagan]

This however is bullshit unless you consider manning up to be an alternative. I have given up on ever being treated for my chronic pain condition. I'll just have electric lightning pain melting my cock for a few hours every time I reach orgasm for the rest of my life I guess.

It's almost like our species has survived for millions of years using only things that nature provides, in their natural form.

The reason the 'alternative' medicines that actualy work are still frowned upon, is because the impressionable yuppies who go to med school are taught that ONLY western medicine works and everything else is bullshit. Combine this regiment of brainwashing with their holier than though belief that being a doctor means you're always right, and you've got a herd of glorified drug dealers getting pushed into the medical field with a false belief that only the harmful chemicals they can prescribe you will do anything for you. And they don't even realize they're just drug dealers between the bullshit they're taught, and their own self righteousness.


When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[AzzarTheGod]

Have you considered DMT and confronting this god face-to-face?

It sounds like its time for a lil chat with the serpent.

[Big_Japan]

It's almost like our species has survived for millions of years using only things that nature provides, in their natural form.

like opium latex?? is that considered an ancien chinese sekret too?

[Filthy_Pagan]

like opium latex?? is that considered an ancien chinese sekret too?

Making poppy tea is a FAR cry from boiling opium latex down and adding a bunch of bullshit to it to make any of the various prescription opiates. It's the difference between peruvian farmers chewing on coca leaves for a boost similar to a weak cup of coffee and some producer boiling down the juice of 100 lbs of those leaves, adding other chemicals to it, and producing like an ounce of cocaine.

[Big_Japan]

Have you considered DMT and confronting this god face-to-face?

It sounds like its time for a lil chat with the serpent.

I have spoken with lord oroborus. He told me the only way not to be eaten is to be the eater. This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCuD4sqfqs) was his entrance theme. I have trained and studied diligently the way of strategy since that day and embedded myself in the industry that will come to dominate mankind in the coming century. I believe I can fulfill the prophecy.

Not being able to wack it to loli anymore is a real issue though as far as my sanity is concerned man.

[Big_Japan]

Making poppy tea is a FAR cry from boiling opium latex down and adding a bunch of bullshit to it to make any of the various prescription opiates. It's the difference between peruvian farmers chewing on coca leaves for a boost similar to a weak cup of coffee and some producer boiling down the juice of 100 lbs of those leaves, adding other chemicals to it, and producing like an ounce of cocaine.

Actually, poppy tea even from unwashed seeds is one hell of a lot stronger than you would think. 1lb of seeds washed thoroughly was enough to knock me on my ass and paralyze my ability to urinate like the first few times I did pharm oxycodone. By the time I got through 10lbs in 2 weeks I had a nasty withdrawal syndrome already.

I wish I had known about it when I was actually hooked on opiates and needed something to tide me over between scrips, because it's one hell of a lot cheaper than pharms and highly effective, but I shared your opinion and a disbelief that it would do that much until I actually tried it. I mean, it literally is a cocktail dose of some of the most common prescription opiates, they don't "add anything" to poppies when they are isolating morphine from them -- they remove morphine.

I've never made it from pods but I've heard that is even stronger.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Actually, poppy tea even from unwashed seeds is one hell of a lot stronger than you would think. 1lb of seeds washed thoroughly was enough to knock me on my ass and paralyze my ability to urinate like the first few times I did pharm oxycodone. By the time I got through 10lbs in 2 weeks I had a nasty withdrawal syndrome already.

I wish I had known about it when I was actually hooked on opiates and needed something to tide me over between scrips, because it's one hell of a lot cheaper than pharms and highly effective, but I shared your opinion and a disbelief that it would do that much until I actually tried it. I mean, it literally is a cocktail dose of some of the most common prescription opiates, they don't "add anything" to poppies when they are isolating morphine from them -- they remove morphine.

I've never made it from pods but I've heard that is even stronger.
Back during my experimental phase I made tea from a pod, which was basically like a decent body high, I tried opium, which was like a strong body high, and I took a few percs, which lead to me moving at zombie speed through a video store for about 4 hours checking every movie in the place and not actually renting anything.

[Big_Japan]

Back during my experimental phase I made tea from a pod, which was basically like a decent body high, I tried opium, which was like a strong body high, and I took a few percs, which lead to me moving at zombie speed through a video store for about 4 hours checking every movie in the place and not actually renting anything.

Pods and seeds are notorious for not being of consistent quality. I'm just telling you that at the higher end of quality, 1lb of unwashed seeds purchased on Amazon contained enough morphine to knock my on my ass harder than I'd ever been knocked down by pharm morphine pills.

You can believe me, or hang on to the idiotic argument that it's impossible to get a large dose of morphine by consuming a large quantity of a substance that contains morphine because muh natural.

Also, oxycodone zombifies you? I'm more like a speed talking meth junkie than someone on downers with that particular drug

Never tried real opium, always wanted to. jelly

[Filthy_Pagan]

Pods and seeds are notorious for not being of consistent quality. I'm just telling you that at the higher end of quality, 1lb of unwashed seeds purchased on Amazon contained enough morphine to knock my on my ass harder than I'd ever been knocked down by pharm morphine pills.

You can believe me, or hang on to the idiotic argument that it's impossible to get a large dose of morphine by consuming a large quantity of a substance that contains morphine.

Never tried real opium, always wanted to. jelly

I'm not arguing the consistency of potency, just stating my experience.

Real opium was interesting. Sort of smelled/ tasted like incense. I split a gram of it with a friend back when oblivion came out and we ended up switching bac and forth on the same character for the entire day. I felt like it would be a good drug to do while wearing a monocle and sitting on a bean bag.


Let's get back to the spirit of the thing though. Addiction is the fault of the user and isn't a disease. Whether it's knowingly taking an addictive substance, or failing to research what a doctor (legal drug dealer) is giving you.

[Big_Japan]

Let's get back to the spirit of the thing though. Addiction is the fault of the user and isn't a disease. Whether it's knowingly taking an addictive substance, or failing to research what a doctor (legal drug dealer) is giving you.

I agree well enough with this. But I don't think having a doc unexpectedly offer you thousands of dollars of street worth of drugs for $15 and not having the self-control to resist is the same as lying, cheating, and stealing your way into a street opiate addiction to the tune of thousands of dollars. I am not the type of person who does things like that for a high, or spends much money on drugs at all for that matter, so this crooked fuck financed by my insurance was literally the only way I was going to get hooked.

I wouldn't have been able to turn the scrip down for the sole purpose that it was worth over $1000 a month on SR at the time and I am an enterprising young gentleman. Unfortunately trying the one dose of methadone, and enjoying the 24 hours of very easy life and stress-free yet efficient work that ensued, were enough that I cleaned my plate rather than going through with the enterprising.

What I'm trying to say is that we should eat the rich who perpetrate these injustices upon us.

[Filthy_Pagan]

He didn't force the pills down your throat

[AzzarTheGod]

Real opium was interesting. Sort of smelled/ tasted like incense. I split a gram of it with a friend back when oblivion came out and we ended up switching bac and forth on the same character for the entire day. I felt like it would be a good drug to do while wearing a monocle and sitting on a bean bag.


Not going to get too deep into it. But there is no way you got real opium unless you grew your own.

I've never tried to procure or have any interest in it, but its my duty as an economist to point out to you that opium is worth more money when processed.

There is no market for opium. I find this very hard to believe.

[Big_Japan]

Not going to get too deep into it. But there is no way you got real opium unless you grew your own.

I've never tried to procure or have any interest in it, but its my duty as an economist to point out to you that opium is worth more money when processed.

There is no market for opium. I find this very hard to believe.

I see your point, but it's far from the first time I've heard of an American doing opium.

There are indeed people who are more like hobbyists that grow poppies domestically, harvest latex, and don't bother with processing it. I'm skeptical that such persons commonly sell that latex, but I'm not going to call it totally implausible. There's always some market for novelty.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Not going to get too deep into it. But there is no way you got real opium unless you grew your own.

I've never tried to procure or have any interest in it, but its my duty as an economist to point out to you that opium is worth more money when processed.

There is no market for opium. I find this very hard to believe.

It was definitely legit opium. There may not be a global market for it, but apparently there's a market for it in my area to some degree. I've only ever seen it twice, and I've never actively looked for it.

The first tiime, when I got the gram with a friend, it was mentioned to me through my weed guy that he had gotten a little bit of opium and didn't know what to do with it. I thought 'eh, fuck it. i'll try it' and got some.

The second time was a friend of a friend's birthday. He was rolling up a blunt in my friend's garage and pulled out what looked like a gram or so of opium, rolled some out into a thin noodle, and added it to the blunt.


It acted sort of like hardish resin when manipulating it. It was mostly black, but had a very faint reddish brown color to it when the light hit it just right and had some red specks in it. Pretty sure it was legit stuff.

[iruinedyourday]

Gee I wonder if there are smarter people than those on an elf sim that should determin what is a disease or not or what the true meaning of addiction is and how it affects life for the addicted and everyone around them

GEEE I WONDER?! OR NAW WE SHOULD HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT SHIT LIKE THIS CUS OBVIOUSLY IT MEANS FREEDOM RIGHT?!

http://rymimg.com/lk/f/s/fe5ea1361d9e55c910114b3427bf67b4/5188131.png

[Barkingturtle]

Here in Colorado Springs I used to get opium regularly back around 2000-2002. Then I moved away for about a decade and I've only seen it offered a handful of times since. The stuff I'd get was almost amber in appearance and I'll second the similarity in scent and taste to incense. The high was like coming down from a five day meth binge but without the monsters. God I used to love me some fucking opium.

I remember when the Madden game came out in 2001, I had three grams and -- actually I don't really remember much. But four days later I ran out of opium and I haven't been able to enjoy Madden since.

[iruinedyourday]

I know what I want, I want us treating people addicted to drugs like shit and try to encourage them to hate their lives and have so little, they don't mind shooting my family for a measly 9 dollars to buy a hit for the night

SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN

http://rymimg.com/lk/f/s/fe5ea1361d9e55c910114b3427bf67b4/5188131.png

[Filthy_Pagan]

Gee I wonder if there are smarter people than those on an elf sim that should determin what is a disease or not or what the true meaning of addiction is and how it affects life for the addicted and everyone around them

GEEE I WONDER?! OR NAW WE SHOULD HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT SHIT LIKE THIS CUS OBVIOUSLY IT MEANS FREEDOM RIGHT?!

http://rymimg.com/lk/f/s/fe5ea1361d9e55c910114b3427bf67b4/5188131.png

I know what I want, I want us treating people addicted to drugs like shit and try to encourage them to hate their lives and have so little, they don't mind shooting my family for a measly 9 dollars to buy a hit for the night

SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN

http://rymimg.com/lk/f/s/fe5ea1361d9e55c910114b3427bf67b4/5188131.png

IRYD confirmed maximum overrustle

https://i.imgur.com/1Auofh.jpg

Maybe you should listen to someone who has done the research and doesn't get a kickback from the pharmaceutical companies. I have no incentive for speaking honestly about addiction. Doctors get paid to bullshit about it.

[iruinedyourday]

shitty day at work but w/e also mad about that bernie shit.

[Big_Japan]

shitty day at work but w/e also mad about that bernie shit.

mad confirmed

[Filthy_Pagan]

Calm down bro, you'll find your next fix.