lol ru kidding me

[iruinedyourday]

oh come on lol https://twitter.com/NotBUFFY_VS/status/674031233945366528/video/1

I guess I win.

http://i.imgur.com/O9rI0st.png

[AzzarTheGod]

Well, we need better monitoring of jihad email devices and techniques, we do need to close those things up asap...

That is what he is referencing I assume. They use special internet clients and other tactics to plan and organize, they teach how to use it in the camps when you go to train. I read an article on it a while back.

Trump just misspoke.

[Kyff]

Well, the Paris attackers used regular cellphones in their conversations. They even gave interviews to radical news magazined earlier in the year clearly stating what they intended to do. It went all unnoticed.

I'm not too sure they would need "special internet clients and tactics". As far as I'm concerned they could've used doodle to plan the attacks. "Who is coming to the Bataclan this weekend?"

[AzzarTheGod]

Well, the Paris attackers used regular cellphones in their conversations. They even gave interviews to radical news magazined earlier in the year clearly stating what they intended to do. It went all unnoticed.

I'm not too sure they would need "special internet clients and tactics". As far as I'm concerned they could've used doodle to plan the attacks. "Who is coming to the Bataclan this weekend?"

Ah very sad no one paid attention to the public radical magazines.

The client is something the Yemeni terrorists use, but not all of them I guess. The Anwar guy (dont care to look up these types names for proper spelling, I believe extremists should all be nameless) was using some client to communicate safer with international contacts in Holland/Denmark and his Wife in the US I saw on a report.

[Swish]

Don't mind this whole charade, people are so brainwashed that they feel like its wrong to vote for common sense.

Hilary has already won, she's the choice of the men behind the curtain. It's no democracy lol

[Kyff]

Don't mind this whole charade, people are so brainwashed that they feel like its wrong to vote for common sense.

Hilary has already won, she's the choice of the men behind the curtain. It's no democracy lol

Well if all the GOP can come up with is an absolute nutcase, the democratic candidate will most likely have the upper hand. Whoever it may be in the end.

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/lpm3V3Y.jpg

[Pokesan]

isis hates us for our freedoms also our freedoms are how isis attacks us so no more freedoms because of isis

[dafier]

VOTE TRUMP!

[iruinedyourday]

No trump suporters postin ITT kek

[James_Joyce]

If there were a way to cut off Internet access in hostile geography completely, and feed astroturfed, pruned, propagandized clones of Reddit and whatever Arabs read into just that physical area, with every "foreigner" they interact with being a paid shill or a bot, I wouldn't see why not to do it. Shadowban the entire country from the internet. Total isolation from connecting to anything nonlocal but a select few clone sites, and the illusion that interactions on those sites reach the wider world through shilling.

Information quarantine for lawless anarchies? Why not. That seems to be what he's trying to describe. I'm somewhat doubtful this is technically feasible, but we are the ones installing this infrastructure in these countries after we topple their governments, so I suppose we could set it up any way we like. We might as well have a handle on information distribution in these places if we're going to be meddling with them for Israel.

If these techniques were ever used on US soil, every traitor involved in their deployment would rightly deserve a quick trip to the gallows however.

TRUMP status: unstumped. This is learned 21st-Century defense policy right here. The Constitution doesn't provide guarantees for rights for non-citizens. Fuck 'em all -- feed them an astroturfed Internet pumped full of aggressive advertisement for US companies.

[iruinedyourday]

duh its quite simple guys. It works like this:

you shut off access to the internet and you only browse the web through facebook

TRUMP 2016

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I don't have a girlfriend but if I did I'd want someone else pleasuring her because I know I'm inadequate.

IRYD 2016

I can do it too.

[iruinedyourday]

its a good thing kaga is voting next election to close the internet down outside of facebook so i can avoid his trolls

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You should take a nap.

[iruinedyourday]

Just happy to see this bastardization of free speech doesn't bother you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'd point out that free speech only applies to those within our society but you really need to take a nap. You're clearly worn out after TRUMP's latest polling results.

[iruinedyourday]

Im callin it now. 2016 will be the year we get a Socialist vs a Fascist.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Im callin it now. 2016 will be the year we get a Socialist vs a Fascist.

I thought the primaries were in November of this year.

[iruinedyourday]

I thought the primaries were in November of this year.

Kek

[Madbad]

at least I would have a reason to stop listening to you fuckers

[Sidelle]

http://i.imgur.com/Xm5hylA.gif

LOL.

Oh god, dat hair.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I don't believe a single person has suggested to:

close the net in america

[iruinedyourday]

Youre a fucking moron if you think ANY regulatory committee monitoring what can or cannot be put on the internet is a good idea.

the patriot act on the internet, what an idiot you are kaga. Seriously you are a grade A morAn.

ur also so out of touch here you dont even know what moran is a reference to.

[nyclin]

don't like trump at all but the full quote is important because he doesn't flatly say "close the internet"

either way, evidence has shown that the Paris attackers used unencrypted text messages to communicate. banning encryption & censoring the internet isn't going to stop crazy people from doing crazy shit.


“We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people.”

[iruinedyourday]

don't like trump at all but the full quote is important because he doesn't flatly say "close the internet"

again, I have to reiterate, if you are the kind of person that doesn't think that putting ANY restrictions on the internet as such as restricting who can upload content to it, WONT turn into a corporate ownership of ALL media on the internet.

You are just reallly really reallllllly not paying attention to the way the world works.

either way, evidence has shown that the Paris attackers used unencrypted text messages to communicate. banning encryption & censoring the internet isn't going to stop crazy people from doing crazy shit.

either way, stopping terrorism is NOT the goal for puting these types of restrictions onto the internet, again, this is just a ploy to allow a restricted corperate controlled internet into your homes in place of the free one that is vital to a free way of life.

[nyclin]

that double negative is literally worse than hitler

[maskedmelon]

again, I have to reiterate, if you are the kind of person that doesn't think that putting ANY restrictions on the internet as such as restricting who can upload content to it, WONT turn into a corporate ownership of ALL media on the internet.

You are just reallly really reallllllly not paying attention to the way the world works.



either way, stopping terrorism is NOT the goal for puting these types of restrictions onto the internet, again, this is just a ploy to allow a restricted corperate controlled internet into your homes in place of the free one that is vital to a free way of life.

I agree w/ IRYD on the principal of internet censorship. Any power you grant the government becomes a mallet for them to beat you with later.

That said, Trump's quote doesn't suggest that is his intent, though I don't think it is beyond consideration for him either. The interesting thing about Trump is that he knows what he doesn't know and it doesn't bother him because in his mind what he does know is vitally more important. To a degree it is true and in no small part the reason for his success. He gets things done, by finding people who know how to do them and then pushing. That is why he references Bill Gates there. It's his way of saying "I've no fucking clue, but there are people who do and we'll see what they have to say and then make something happen."

[apio]

You know what would be a good idea to stop terrorism. Get the fuck out of the middle east and stop going to war with countries who are not your equal to steal their resources, maybe they will stop retaliating the only way they can.

[maskedmelon]

You know what would be a good idea to stop terrorism. Get the fuck out of the middle east and stop going to war with countries who are not your equal to steal their resources, maybe they will stop retaliating the only way they can.

And, we have another racist. Stop suggesting those people are incapable of anything but violence. It's gross.

[nyclin]

don't go to war = racism

logic is irrefutable

[apio]

If you don't have the power to go head to head in a war you have to resort to "dirty" strategies. You can really only blame your government if you get targeted by terrorists. The same people who are using it as an excuse to take away your liberty and privacy.

[maskedmelon]

don't go to war = racism

logic is irrefutable

wooooooooshhhhh

[nyclin]

k

[maskedmelon]

If you don't have the power to go head to head in a war you have to resort to "dirty" strategies.

Oh ok, so now we are broadening our expectations of terrorism to EVERONE. Way to be inclusive.

[nyclin]

not sure why i'm actually responding here but can you explain yourself?

apio says don't go to war because it results in retaliation, you said his statement is equivalent to racism while also making a racist statement yourself

either i'm an idiot or i'm being trolled, and its probably both

[Pokesan]

we must defeat the irish menace

[Lune]

If you don't have the power to go head to head in a war you have to resort to "dirty" strategies. You can really only blame your government if you get targeted by terrorists. The same people who are using it as an excuse to take away your liberty and privacy.

How about this:

Given our vastly superior power, it is only our generosity and sense of honor and adherence to the rules of engagement that keeps us from exterminating every last one of them.

By your logic, we might as well say: "Well, we don't have the power to do what is necessary to defeat an insurgency, because they blend in with civilians when our troops show up and start planting IED's. So we have to resort to "dirty" strategies and just exterminate 100 civilians in a country that hosts terrorists for every American civilian killed by terrorists. You can really only blame the terrorists if you get targeted by us".

No thanks. I'm going to blame terrorists for being terrorists, whether they feel their actions are justified or not. The Middle East can attribute its continued existence to the fact that we are neither Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, or Imperial Japan.

I don't want to have anything to do with the Middle East, and I disagree with our foreign policy, but terrorism is never okay whether you think we "deserve it" or not.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

again, I have to reiterate, if you are the kind of person that doesn't think that putting ANY restrictions on the internet as such as restricting who can upload content to it, WONT turn into a corporate ownership of ALL media on the internet.

You are just reallly really reallllllly not paying attention to the way the world works.



either way, stopping terrorism is NOT the goal for puting these types of restrictions onto the internet, again, this is just a ploy to allow a restricted corperate controlled internet into your homes in place of the free one that is vital to a free way of life.

Aren't you backing the ladies who went to the United nations to beg then to censor the internet to stop "cyber violence"?

So disagreeing with a feminist = censor the entire internet.

Multiple terror attacks, people actually dying = don't you dare internet embargo the middle east.

You're insane, there's no two ways about it.

[maskedmelon]

not sure why i'm actually responding here but can you explain yourself?

......

either i'm an idiot or i'm being trolled, and its probably both

You are new here, no one faults you.

maybe they will stop retaliating the only way they can.

You don't see anything wrong with suggesting a people is only capable of terrorism?

[apio]

How about this:

Given our vastly superior power, it is only our generosity and sense of honor and adherence to the rules of engagement that keeps us from exterminating every last one of them.


Exactly. This half assed approach is what is getting their own people killed. Still nobody's fault but their own.

At the end of the day, you have to look at body count. Not even the greatest terrorist threat in the world is even remotely close to how many civilians are being killed every day because of your adherence to these awesome "rules of engagement"

[Pokesan]

MM are you saying islamists should wage conventional war against the West?

[nyclin]

You don't see anything wrong with suggesting a people is only capable of terrorism?

conventional war isn't a viable option. diplomacy appears to be off the table. what other options are there? if you're an extremist faction looking to retaliate against the US, what options do you have?

when the most powerful military force in the world starts shitting on your country, there isn't much you can do except resort to guerrilla tactics

[maskedmelon]

when the most powerful military force in the world starts shitting on your country, there isn't much you can do except resort to guerrilla tactics

Ok so we are back to extending the expectation of violent response to everyone. If nobody can be faulted for violent retaliation, then why fault the US government for a more robust response?

diplomacy appears to be off the table.

Why is that?

[iruinedyourday]

Why is that?

Because when we said we wanted to subjugate and control every element of their country in exchange for all of their natural resources, they said no.

[Lune]

conventional war isn't a viable option. diplomacy appears to be off the table. what other options are there? if you're an extremist faction looking to retaliate against the US, what options do you have?

when the most powerful military force in the world starts shitting on your country, there isn't much you can do except resort to guerrilla tactics

What options do we have to fight ISIS? If we sent troops, they would simply put away their flags and their Toyota pickups and blend in with civilians and plant IED's. Then come out again once we were gone.

Conventional war isn't a viable option, diplomacy appears to be off the table. What other options are there? We might as well go to countries that harbor terrorists, round them up, and slaughter them, right?

Do you see how toxic this reasoning is? There is no excuse for terrorism or for warcrimes. When we beat the shit out of Japan and totally occupied their country and rewrote their Constitution, did they start blowing up American civilians? No, they accepted the reality of their position, and got to work building themselves a better life.

Human history is a litany of peoples being defeated and abused, but rebuilding and ultimately being okay. This was rarely if ever the result of terrorism. Even the American revolution and American Civil War were largely conventional conflicts against vastly superior, arguably oppressive powers with minimal guerrilla activity and very little killing of civilians.

The only way these people are going to be okay in the long run is by building a better life for themselves, not by killing American abusers.

[maskedmelon]

Because when we said we wanted to subjugate and control every element of their country in exchange for all of their natural resources, they said no.

Oh, when was it again that we said that? To whom did we send this message? Who responded? And who is taking action?

[iruinedyourday]

What options do we have to fight ISIS?

we dont.

we stop.

we let muslims in the region fight htem.

if they loose we care as much about what happens after as we did in Iran.

we stop pretending we are humanists, trying to help them from suffering when the truth is we are spending money to make money on war.

We fight the war at home, the war on poverty. Not people.

[apio]

The only way these people are going to be okay in the long run is by building a better life for themselves, not by killing American abusers.

Not an easy feat when your country lies in ruins and half the civil population has been wiped out as "collateral damage"

Let the middle east take care of their own problems. By making them our problems we have turned our people into targets

[Lune]

we dont.

we stop.

we let muslims in the region fight htem.

if they loose we care as much about what happens after as we did in Iran.

we stop pretending we are humanists, trying to help them from suffering when the truth is we are spending money to make money on war.

We fight the war at home, the war on poverty. Not people.

Rhetorical question

Not an easy feat when your country lies in ruins and half the civil population has been wiped out as "collateral damage"

Post-war American South, Germany, Russia, Eastern Byzantine empire etc etc etc all managed just fine rebuilding from the ravages of war and brutal invasion.

Let the middle east take care of their own problems.

Yes

By making them our problems we have turned our people into targets

No. If you argue people should resort to murder and warcrimes when they feel no other alternative exists, you also argue for American genocide in countries harboring terrorists.

[apio]

Post-war American South, Germany, Russia, Eastern Byzantine empire etc etc etc all managed just fine rebuilding from the ravages of war and brutal invasion.

No. If you argue people should resort to murder and warcrimes when they feel no other alternative exists, you also argue for American genocide in countries harboring terrorists.

The only reason why the rebuilding of Europe was so successful is because of the money the US provided Europe to rebuild. Which was only done to further US American interests in Europe, strategically and economically.

It is the single worst example, because all the western world has left behind in the war torn middle east is political instability and a body count that is not attainable by means of terrorism. There is no plan to stabilize the region because US American interests are already met, resources are already under control. Bases to expand the invasion of the middle east are built and the countries themselves are no better off than they were before the western world "intervened".

[iruinedyourday]

No. If you argue people should resort to murder and warcrimes when they feel no other alternative exists, you also argue for American genocide in countries harboring terrorists.

This is a great example of missing the point.

Nobody thinks anyone SHOULD resort to that shit.

The fact is people DO resort to that shit.

Its ideology vs reality.

the classic republican problem, all of their policies are based off of how they think people should act.. none of htem are based off the way people do act.

people shouldn't get abortions, so we out law them and people wont get them right?

people shouldn't do drugs, so we outlaw them and people wont do them right?

people should rebuild a ravaged war torn nation into a democratic utopia.. :rollseyes

[Lune]

It is the single worst example, because all the western world has left behind in the war torn middle east is political instability and a body count that is not attainable by means of terrorism. There is no plan to stabilize the region because US American interests are already met, resources are already under control. Bases to expand the invasion of the middle east are built and the countries themselves are no better off than they were before the western world "intervened".

So what? Not an excuse for massacring civilians. It wasn't the responsibility of the British to rebuild Washington DC when they burned it down, and it's not our responsibility to care for Middle Eastern countries like little children because they ended up on the wrong side of geopolitical affairs. Cuba was basically excommunicated by the United States and left to rot, and they are one of the more stable and successful countries in Latin America (which isn't saying much).

Plenty of countries throughout history have been ravaged by brutal invaders and turned out just fine. I support a change in our foreign policy as much as anyone, but I draw the line at condoning terrorism because they "have no other option".

[Lune]

This is a great example of missing the point.

Nobody thinks anyone SHOULD resort to that shit.

The fact is people DO resort to that shit.

Its ideology vs reality.

the classic republican problem, all of their policies are based off of how they think people should act.. none of htem are based off the way people do act.

people shouldn't get abortions, so we out law them and people wont get them right?

people shouldn't do drugs, so we outlaw them and people wont do them right?

people should rebuild a ravaged war torn nation into a democratic utopia.. :rollseyes

What do you propose? Say "we deserved it" about the terrorism, pack up and leave the Middle East, and pay them reparations for the awful shit we did? Pay who reparations? Many of these fuckers don't even have a functioning government.

[apio]

Just packing up and leaving sounds like the best way to go about it. Ask any radical Muslim and he will tell you the same.

I don't see any terror attacks being committed because the US withdrew from the Middle East.

[maskedmelon]

people should rebuild a ravaged war torn nation into a functioning state.. :rollseyes

FTFY. Let's keep the straw out of it ^^

Many peoples throughout history have done just that. Suggesting that this particular group is incapable of doing so is racist. What makes any other nation better?

[iruinedyourday]

What do you propose? Say "we deserved it" about the terrorism, pack up and leave the Middle East, and pay them reparations for the awful shit we did? Pay who reparations? Many of these fuckers don't even have a functioning government.

we walked out of viet nam...

yes I am proposing adding this TERRIBLE war to the list of wars we did not win.

We move on, and address what happens when it happens, and we dont retaliate

retaliating against terrorism is the same thing as falling victim to it.

Literally the only way to end terrorism is to accept it as a fact of life.

I mean, IF the attacks on american soil were as bad as 9/11 on a regular basis, YES we hunt down the perpertartors and kill them, like obama did bin laden.

but we don't just blanket attack EVERY fucking nation that surrounds where we think the perpetrators, might be.

and we certainly don't engage in wars with countries in order to win the ones our father lost.

and we definitly do not, continue to fund the wars in those nations 10 years later ffs.

I mean jesus, not getting out will just prolong whatever cost getting out now will be, only while supplying the cost of whatever it takes to get to the point we are actually smart enough to get the fuck out, knawm sayin?

You gotta pay the piper, its time we did.

[iruinedyourday]

FTFY. Let's keep the straw out of it ^^

Many peoples throughout history have done just that. Suggesting that this particular group is incapable of doing so is racist. What makes any other nation better?

If you think that race is the cause, you are the racist.

No its the situation.

you have to look at the fucking SITUATION and not just put your idiolized vision of a nation rebuilding its self one way, as the only way.

Look at iran, they are developing from a very bad place, into a soon to be great nation.

25, 40 years from now, iran will be a fantastic place with a wonderful quality of life.

100 years from now, the single state of Korea may be the technological heart of the world.

who knows.

race is NOT in the equation AT ALL, so stop trying to put it there.

[apio]

crying racist is the new troll metagame

[Ricky Bobby]

The only reason why the rebuilding of Europe was so successful is because of the money the US provided Europe to rebuild. Which was only done to further US American interests in Europe, strategically and economically.

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click /\ (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214219)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Aren't you backing the ladies who went to the United nations to beg then to censor the internet to stop "cyber violence"?

So disagreeing with a feminist = censor the entire internet.

Multiple terror attacks, people actually dying = don't you dare internet embargo the middle east.

You're insane, there's no two ways about it.

[AzzarTheGod]

Look at iran, they are developing from a very bad place, into a soon to be great nation.

25, 40 years from now, iran will be a fantastic place with a wonderful quality of life.

100 years from now, the single state of Korea may be the technological heart of the world.


Iran is not an Arabic nation. Second, it has a very rich and strong cultural identity/history with a sense of nationalism, similar to Turkey in that sense. Not many other Middle East countries can boast of the good governing and economic prosperity that Iran has seen, if any at all.

Iran developing from a "bad place" is more of a political narrative than a reality. You want to see developing from a bad place, or lack thereof? Pakistan. Libya. Egypt. These are the guys that need our help and guidance. Iran is going to be fine, they have been fine for hundreds of years. With or without us.

Iran is one Western banking deal away from becoming Turkey since the 80's I'd say.

[iruinedyourday]

well sense you want to have no productive conversation and just nit pick everything I have to say I have to get back to work, but good luck with your flames of war.

[James_Joyce]

Iran is not an Arabic nation. Second, it has a very rich and strong cultural identity/history with a sense of nationalism, similar to Turkey in that sense. Not many other Middle East countries can boast of the good governing and economic prosperity that Iran has seen, if any at all.

Iran developing from a "bad place" is more of a political narrative than a reality. You want to see developing from a bad place, or lack thereof? Pakistan. Libya. Egypt. These are the guys that need our help and guidance. Iran is going to be fine, they have been fine for hundreds of years. With or without us.

Iran is one Western banking deal away from becoming Turkey since the 80's I'd say.
just finished smiling pleasantly at this polite & accurately informative post to see IRYD's reply

well sense you want to have no productive conversation and just nit pick everything I have to say I have to get back to work, but good luck with your flames of war.

smh fam

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

IRYD truly is a caricature.

[Sidelle]

people shouldn't get abortions, so we out law them and people wont get them right?

people shouldn't do drugs, so we outlaw them and people wont do them right?
"People shouldn't own guns, so we outlaw them and people won't get them right?"
(^^This would be perfect in your sarcastic post above. Tell me what ya think of it. You have to admit it's funny because you're so busted. ;) LOL)
Look at iran, they are developing from a very bad place, into a soon to be great nation.

25, 40 years from now, iran will be a fantastic place with a wonderful quality of life.

100 years from now, the single state of Korea may be the technological heart of the world.

who knows.
As certain other nations rise up out of third world status, America is crumbling and fading. Life is getting harder for the average citizen to make ends meet. Oh well, no big deal...

Maybe we'll slide down into third world status eventually, after we get smacked down by an EMP or some other devastating shit and the whole country goes dark. Millions would die or become cannibals. (Ok, it's possible that I may have read too many books in the apocalyptic genre but that scenario is still plausible, imo :D)

I'm all for other countries becoming more prosperous and moving up in the world.... just not at the expense of our people and nation.

P.S. I wanted to ask you something. You sound so weirdly proud of Iran. Why is that? Does it have something to do with Iran giving everyone the finger by violating the nuclear deal by developing ICBMs? Or is it admiration for how great they are at oppressing women and religious minorities. Not to mention they still execute gays.. :confused:

[iruinedyourday]

Sidelle... No.

Same thread kaga calls me a extremist feminist sidelle calls me a shira law suporter.

This is my problem with REPUBLICANS which is exactly what idiot kaga is even tho he insists he is not.

Its that you idiots are so ignorant you can both look at very clear arguments and both be so fucking dumb you get conflicting wrong answers

[Pokesan]

you heard it here first folks, if you outlaw guns americans will become cannibals

[iruinedyourday]

Sidelle there is a diff between gun deaths and abortions but you are two red state to figure it out.

Straight up im saying one is an idiology and the other is a reactionary decision.

You dont want people to have abortions because of your idiology.

People ARE killing innocent people with guns, many of thise deaths can be avoided with common sense laws so we are REACTING to how people are behaving and atempting to make it SAFE for everyone.

There is about ZERO chance you are going to be able to understand this though...

[maskedmelon]

Sidelle there is a diff between gun deaths and abortions but you are two red state to figure it out.

Straight up im saying one is an idiology and the other is a reactionary decision.

You dont want people to have abortions because of your idiology.

People ARE killing innocent people with guns, many of thise deaths can be avoided with common sense laws so we are REACTING to how people are behaving and atempting to make it SAFE for everyone.

There is about ZERO chance you are going to be able to understand this though...

Both of those are generally viewed through an ideologic (rhymes with idiotic, coincidence?) lens. To people with such a lens often reason is treason.

In the gun control issue, proponents believe banning guns will save lives.

In the abortion control issue, proponents believe banning abortions will save lives.

Both are true. So long as the scope is limited to lives lost to guns and lives lost to abortions. The world is vastly more complicated though.

[iruinedyourday]

Both of those are generally viewed through an ideologic (rhymes with idiotic, coincidence?) lens. To people with such a lens often reason is treason.

In the gun control issue, proponents believe banning guns will save lives.

In the abortion control issue, proponents believe banning abortions will save lives.

Both are true. So long as the scope is limited to lives lost to guns and lives lost to abortions. The world is vastly more complicated though.

Thats like saying its ideology that has us set speed limits on highways and school zones. Or its ideology that doesn't allow you to have campfires in california drought zones, or drink over the age of 18/21 years old.

No, the abortion issue comes directly from one group of people thinking killing babies is wrong, while the other side of the argument knows killing babies protects families and individuals from hardships, as well as prevents people from harming themselves to having their own illegal abortions when you outlaw it.

The democrats look at how people act, and make laws based off of that data.

Republican sides of the argument do it because they think baby killing is the devil's work and evil.

You need to understand this basic point to understand the two sides at war in our nation.

One, relies on data & is reactionary. The other Pre-emptive & ideological.

[iruinedyourday]

idk what kinda fucked up places red states are, but I've lived in the most dangerous neighborhoods in some of the countries biggest cities, i never been threatened with a gun in my life.

that said, at this point i could give a fuck about gun laws.. I dont even like them when they spammed on my facebook page anymore.

But that wont stop republicans from crying about gun laws constantly inbetween crying about every other fucking law they want to impose on the american populace with their hypocritical bullshit.

none else find it ironic sidelle says i support shira law and puting cloaks over women, while she advocates the removal of rights for a woman to do what she wants with her own body.

smh

[maskedmelon]

No, the abortion issue comes directly from one group of people thinking killing babies is wrong, while the other side of the argument knows killing babies protects families and individuals from hardships, as well as prevents people from harming themselves to having their own illegal abortions when you outlaw it.


Kudos to you for acknowledging the truth of the act. Not a lot who will. I tend to support abortion rights because it is in the best interest of society that people who are that irresponsible do not reproduce. Procreation by such individuals is nothing more than propagation of misery.

That aside, the basis of your support is interesting. If it is acceptable to kill babies to avoid hardship, is it not also acceptable to kill your parents if they become demented and unable to care for themselves? You would be averting hardship in both cases. Or does the reasoning only apply to offspring? What if your child was hit by a motorist and paralyzed for the rest of their life? Would it not be acceptable then to kill them to avoid the hardship?

Life is full of hardship. Those who do not learn to overcome it, inherently spread it.

[Sidelle]

When have I ever said I was against abortion? Oh, you just assumed I am? Next time you might want to find out the truth before you post.

For the record, I'm NOT anti-abortion. I don't want it to be outlawed again because women will end up dead trying to either do it themselves or having a butcher of a doctor take care of it.

However, I am vehemently against late term abortiions unless the mother's life is in danger. Do you even know what they do to those late term babies to kill them?

So what are you gonna pull out of your ass next time?

[AzzarTheGod]

However, I am vehemently against late term abortiions unless the mother's life is in danger. Do you even know what they do to those late term babies to kill them?

So what are you gonna pull out of your ass next time?

We want to let all these single male immigrants and adults into our country by the hundreds of thousands, but we can't even develop a foster program to the degree necessary to deal with the SMALL demand for late term abortions.

Planned Parenthood infrastructure already exists to defer these women away from late-term abortion and convince them to participate in a federal foster program.

But "my body, my choice". Fuck you. I loathe unreasonable ideologues who take up extreme positions without compromise. I'm all for the right to do it, if you tone down the extremism by making a good faith effort to divert away from abortion and into foster programs.

Hell, give them some fucking tax dollars for agreeing to it. Consider it an investment in human capital.

Just strikes me as ass backwards.

[Sidelle]

We want to let all these single male immigrants and adults into our country by the hundreds of thousands, but we can't even develop a foster program to the degree necessary to deal with the SMALL demand for late term abortions.

Planned Parenthood infrastructure already exists to defer these women away from late-term abortion and convince them to participate in a federal foster program.

But "my body, my choice". Fuck you. I loathe unreasonable ideologues who take up extreme positions without compromise. I'm all for the right to do it, if you tone down the extremism by making a good faith effort to divert away from abortion and into foster programs.

Hell, give them some fucking tax dollars for agreeing to it. Consider it an investment in human capital.

Just strikes me as ass backwards.
You have some good points there. I concur.

[iruinedyourday]

Kudos to you for acknowledging the truth of the act. Not a lot who will. I tend to support abortion rights because it is in the best interest of society that people who are that irresponsible do not reproduce. Procreation by such individuals is nothing more than propagation of misery.

That aside, the basis of your support is interesting. If it is acceptable to kill babies to avoid hardship, is it not also acceptable to kill your parents if they become demented and unable to care for themselves? You would be averting hardship in both cases. Or does the reasoning only apply to offspring? What if your child was hit by a motorist and paralyzed for the rest of their life? Would it not be acceptable then to kill them to avoid the hardship?

Life is full of hardship. Those who do not learn to overcome it, inherently spread it.

its tough I know, which is why a lot of good people probubly struggle with the decision.

I suggest not thinking of it as a precident setting issue. Think of an issue in and of its self.

By supporting the choice to end a pregnacy you may not also support the killing of your parrents hehe.

I mean, if we are goign to think of stretch edge cases, every time you masterbate, are you commiting murder?

Everytime you blow it on a first date, since you might have had kids with them one day, is that murder?

You see how many rediculous place you can take that type of thinking?

As for if your kid is hit by a car and is in a vegitative state, I do think its ok to pull the plug.

Does that mean that if your kid gets a cold, may as well start over?

no.

So yea...

Finally Sidelle, you make baseless accusations about how I hate america and support shaira law, and you try to lecture me on making assumptions about people?

Ive been incredibly clear where I stand on issues, and yet you still can't figure out who I am and try to say I am X or Y... I like that you take such great offence to being treated exactly how you treat others.

[Sidelle]

IRYD: I don't even consider myself to be especially conservative. Yes, I'd prefer a smaller and less useless government and more fiscal responsibility. What's wrong with that?

I support gay marriage and women's rights. I thought I'd mention that because you (hysterically) accused me of wanting to strip away women's rights. I don't even know where the fuck that came from. :confused: Oh yeah, I'm also not even religious and don't go to church so I don't believe in the fucking devil. For fuck's sake, you can be such a freak. Settle down a bit. LOL There is no reason we can't have a mature conversation about these things.

Anyway, STFU about people when you don't even know what you're talking about.

[iruinedyourday]

IRYD: I don't even consider myself to be especially conservative. Yes, I'd prefer a smaller and less useless government and more fiscal responsibility. What's wrong with that?

I support gay marriage and women's rights. I thought I'd mention that because you (hysterically) accused me of wanting to strip away women's rights. I don't even know where the fuck that came from. :confused: Oh yeah, I'm also not even religious and don't go to church so I don't believe in the fucking devil. For fuck's sake, you can be such a freak. Settle down a bit. LOL There is no reason we can't have a mature conversation about these things.

Anyway, STFU about people when you don't even know what you're talking about.

dude sidelle fuck off. Dont you fucking tell me to STFU when ALL YOU FUCKING DO is say I am a haira law supporting anti american, youa re such a fucking kettle calling me black.

you need to fucking take a step back and stop being such a cunt.

You quoted adn argued with me about abortion and spouted of nonsense about gun control

There is no reason we can't have a mature conversation about these things.

STFU

You are the reason we cannot ahve a mature convo about htis, you refuse to respond to anything I say ever except to just make attacks.

I happen to be having a mature convo about this shit with maskedmellon right now, while you cunt up this thread with your bloody period.

[iruinedyourday]

oh on that note!:

That aside, the basis of your support is interesting. If it is acceptable to kill babies to avoid hardship, is it not also acceptable to kill your parents if they become demented and unable to care for themselves?

your bloody period.

since we're not actively trying to STOP women form having their period, are we not committing murder?

[Pokesan]

knock it off with the identity politics azzar

[iruinedyourday]

We want to let all these single male immigrants and adults into our country by the hundreds of thousands, but we can't even develop a foster program to the degree necessary to deal with the SMALL demand for late term abortions.

Planned Parenthood infrastructure already exists to defer these women away from late-term abortion and convince them to participate in a federal foster program.

But "my body, my choice". Fuck you. I loathe unreasonable ideologues who take up extreme positions without compromise. I'm all for the right to do it, if you tone down the extremism by making a good faith effort to divert away from abortion and into foster programs.

Hell, give them some fucking tax dollars for agreeing to it. Consider it an investment in human capital.

Just strikes me as ass backwards.

Wouldnt it be awesmoe if the same people who were anti abortion, actually DID ANY OF THIS.. instead of insisting that the pro choice people, do it all for them?

This is a prime example of what I hate about the republican way of life, SAY ALL SHIS IDEOLOGICAL SHIT.... do NOTHING to support it.

[Lurikeen]

Wouldnt it be awesmoe if the same people who were anti abortion, actually DID ANY OF THIS.. instead of insisting that the pro choice people, do it all for them?

This is a prime example of what I hate about the republican way of life, SAY ALL SHIS IDEOLOGICAL SHIT.... do NOTHING to support it.

So when you make your arguments in support of Bernie Sander's ideas, you're not taking an ideological stand?

I think you need to rethink your use of "ideological." Just saying.

[James_Joyce]

if we just glassed the middle east today we wouldnt have alot of todays sociatal problems. and gas would be cheap so i could go to the beach more oftne. who agree?

[maskedmelon]

oh on that note!:





since we're not actively trying to STOP women form having their period, are we not committing murder?

Hmmm, I thought we already agreed abortion = killing babies. You are now equating contraception with abortion? Abortion by definition is not contraception, because it occurs once the woman has already conceived.

Whether you call it murder or not depends on how you define human life. If you think a fetus becomes a person once it has fully exited its mother's vagina intact, then ok. But is it not at the very least alive prior to that? And sentient?

Those latter characteristics profoundly differentiate it from sperm, eggs and dreams.

[Madbad]

Dude, chill the fuck out.

Rule #1: Don't get mad on the internet.

Rule #2: Tits or GTFO.

[Lune]

youa re such a fucking kettle calling me black.

you need to fucking take a step back and stop being such a cunt.

while you cunt up this thread with your bloody period.

lol you're so funny when you're mad

This is how I talk in the car in traffic

[James_Joyce]

michael brown calling trayvon black ITT

[Pokesan]

Hmmm, I thought we already agreed abortion = killing babies. You are now equating contraception with abortion? Abortion by definition is not contraception, because it occurs once the woman has already conceived.

Whether you call it murder or not depends on how you define human life. If you think a fetus becomes a person once it has fully exited its mother's vagina intact, then ok. But is it not at the very least alive prior to that? And sentient?

Those latter characteristics profoundly differentiate it from sperm, eggs and dreams.

do you eat meat?

[James_Joyce]

do you eat meat?

loling irl, i had typed up a reply asking the guy if he ate fish before i decided to go with a pure shitpost. I feel a kinship with u my brother

[Pokesan]

not a shitpost I'm going somewhere with this

[James_Joyce]

you heard it here first folks, if you outlaw guns americans will become cannibals

if you outlaw guns I literally will become a cannibal using my gun stockpile to acquire flesh

just FYI u cant shit all over the legacy of my ancestors that a theoretical great-grand-relative may or may not have fought and/or died for without me taking a bite out of you.

[James_Joyce]

not a shitpost I'm going somewhere with this

no no, so was I, i just decided 2 go the pure shitposting route and I backspaced it all out. i know you better than i know my self buddy.

[Lurikeen]

Rule #2: Tits or GTFO.

Kk

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/cb/8b/4ccb8b775c8697a5601691eba3a54976.jpg

[Madbad]

Kk

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/cb/8b/4ccb8b775c8697a5601691eba3a54976.jpg

afk, fapping

[James_Joyce]

porn is outlawed on this board even when it is politically correct ebony women my friend

enjoy your vacation

[Sidelle]

HAHAHAHAHA
Omg you really are funny when mad, IRYD. LOL

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/it-crowd-maurice-moss-frustration-fuck-this.gif

[James_Joyce]

HAHAHAHAHA
Omg you really are funny when mad, IRYD. LOL

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/it-crowd-maurice-moss-frustration-fuck-this.gif

bazinga

[Lurikeen]

porn is outlawed on this board even when it is politically correct ebony women my friend

enjoy your vacation

For the record that is a drawing of a Sasquatch. ;)

[maskedmelon]

do you eat meat?

Of course I do. I am just differentiating between abortion and abstinence while trying to better understand IRYD's position. He referred to it as killing babies earlier, which I tend to agree with.

Are You suggesting an 8mo human fetus is the same as cattle?

The interesting thing about that analogy is that the cattle are consumed. Their death is has purpose. They are in fact created for that purpose. The same dignity is not afforded the fetus. It was created by mistake and the penalty for that mistake is a meaningless death.

[James_Joyce]

Of course I do. I am just differentiating between abortion and abstinence while trying to better understand IRYD's position. He referred to it as killing babies earlier, which I tend to agree with.

Are You suggesting an 8mo human fetus is the same as cattle?

The interesting thing about that analogy is that the cattle are consumed. Their death is has purpose. They are in fact created for that purpose. The same dignity is not afforded the fetus. It was created by mistake and the penalty for that mistake is a meaningless death.

The same dignity of being bred into meat slavery in a stifling shit-drenched pen is not afforded for the fetus. poor fetus

[Lune]

Of course I do. I am just differentiating between abortion and abstinence while trying to better understand IRYD's position. He referred to it as killing babies earlier, which I tend to agree with.

Are You suggesting an 8mo human fetus is the same as cattle?

The interesting thing about that analogy is that the cattle are consumed. Their death is has purpose. They are in fact created for that purpose. The same dignity is not afforded the fetus. It was created by mistake and the penalty for that mistake is a meaningless death.

The ridiculous overpopulation of the human race and the extent to which we are destroying the planet is justification enough to kill an unwanted fetus before it can become another fully grown human bacteria. Far from a meaningless death.

There's not enough room on this Earth for 7.3 billion humans, much less unwanted humans born into poverty to shitty parents too stupid to use contraception properly.

[maskedmelon]

The same dignity of being bred into meat slavery in a stifling shit-drenched pen is not afforded for the fetus. poor fetus

Dignity of purpose, friend.

[James_Joyce]

Dignity of purpose, friend.

By that line of thought wouldn't it be an even greater shame to birth a child with no purpose and no family to drain resources from the state, get hooked on drugs and live as a child prostitute? You sound like you're advocating abortion.

ive got it, we can eat aborted fetuses. then they are aborted for a purpose and acquire dignity, and they get to explore the world after we poop them into the ocean.

[Pokesan]

at what stage is a fetus more sentient than an adult cow

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/rJkIQip.gif

[Lurikeen]

The ridiculous overpopulation of the human race and the extent to which we are destroying the planet is justification enough to kill an unwanted fetus before it can become another fully grown human bacteria. Far from a meaningless death.

There's not enough room on this Earth for 7.3 billion humans, much less unwanted humans born into poverty to shitty parents too stupid to use contraception properly.

Why stop at fetuses?

[maskedmelon]

By that line of thought wouldn't it be an even greater shame to birth a child with no purpose and no family to drain resources from the state, get hooked on drugs and live as a child prostitute? You sound like you're advocating abortion.

ive got it, we can eat aborted fetuses. then they are aborted for a purpose and acquire dignity, and they get to explore the world after we poop them into the ocean.

Scroll back a few pages, I've already stated my position on abortion which aligns with the same reason you and Lune followed to your conclusions. I am just not afraid of exploring the possibility that while reasoned it may be in part morally wrong, cruel or unjust.

[James_Joyce]

http://i.imgur.com/rJkIQip.gif

i miss when comics were good and i didnt think randall munroe was a toolio

i used to have this farside book from the 80s i would read while i was pooping as a boy. there were lots of Ivanna TRUMP jokes in those cartoons. Pretty sure my first memory is the day i learnt about TRUMP on the john.

[maskedmelon]

at what stage is a fetus more sentient than an adult cow

At what point did you become more sentient than an adult cow?

[Lune]

Why stop at fetuses?

Because it's more cruel to kill a fully developed human than it is to kill a retarded fetus which can barely perceive the world or process sensory information.

But you have a point, we should sterilize people too when they are incapable of taking care of their children yet keep having more.

http://i.imgur.com/U930VS6.jpg

[James_Joyce]

At what point did you become more sentient than an adult cow?

the line is arbitrary. That's why it doesn't matter when in its gestation we kill a fetus, so long as it hasn't been assigned a name and human identity (this is to be done at the moment of birth).

The morality that prioritizes unfeeling masses of flesh with no sense of identity over the end-result for living, breathing, sentient beings is backwards as fuck. Let the conscientous objectors raise a few of these unwanted mulatto crotchspawn if they want to stem the tide.

[Pokesan]

At what point did you become more sentient than an adult cow?

? i just asked you that but in a nicer way

[Lurikeen]

Because it's more cruel to kill a fully developed human than it is to kill a retarded fetus which can barely perceive the world or process sensory information.

But you have a point, we should sterilize people too when they are incapable of taking care of their children yet keep having more.

http://i.imgur.com/U930VS6.jpg

So let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying it is good for the planet to kill fetuses ("ridiculous overpopulation of the human race and the extent to which we are destroying the planet is justification enough to kill an unwanted fetus "), but it is "more cruel to kill a fully developed human than it is to kill a retarded fetus" and so the criteria for helping to save the planet is that the killing must be relatively convenient and also humane?

[maskedmelon]

the line is arbitrary. That's why it doesn't matter when in its gestation we kill a fetus, so long as it hasn't been assigned a name and human identity (this is to be done at the moment of birth).

The morality that prioritizes unfeeling masses of flesh with no sense of identity over the end-result for living, breathing, sentient beings is backwards as fuck. Let the conscientous objectors raise a few of these unwanted mulatto crotchspawn if they want to stem the tide.

How about toddlers? They don't have a fully developed sense of identity until around three or so.

And what morality prioritizes in the manner you have described? Are you referring to the feelings of the mother relative to the life of an embryo? Or something more dire?

[James_Joyce]

So let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying it is good for the planet to kill fetuses ("ridiculous overpopulation of the human race and the extent to which we are destroying the planet is justification enough to kill an unwanted fetus "), but it is "more cruel to kill a fully developed human than it is to kill a retarded fetus" and so the criteria for helping to save the planet is that the killing must be relatively convenient and also humane?

Why wouldn't you want it to be humane? Why would you want it to be inconvenient?

What are you even implying with these retarded questions?

[James_Joyce]

How about toddlers? They don't have a fully developed sense of identity until around three or so.

And what morality prioritizes in the manner you have described? Are you referring to the feelings of the mother relative to the life of an embryo? Or something more dire?

Killing a human who has been assigned an identity is murder. Don't try to move the goalpost to shit I already covered, nerd.

As for which morality? Any morality that wants to restrict abortion and saddle society with unwanted children because of fears of it not being "humane" to carefully prune who enters society. The subjective experience of an entity that has no sense of identity is immaterial compared to material human concerns.

[Sidelle]

Some of you flirting with a bit of Nazi ideology. They started practicing euthanasia on their own mentally handicapped and old sick people in Germany before the war actually broke out.

[James_Joyce]

Some of you flirting with a bit of Nazi ideology. They started practicing euthanasia on their own mentally handicapped and old sick people in Germany.

If you promise socialized medicine this becomes a natural conclusion. Blame the statist tyrants.

I want a minimal government and medical care commensurate with my ability to pay so that I can depend on my natural ability to succeed and never have to worry about getting cut off from medicine or euthanized by a death panel, personally. What comes along with this is the personal responsibility to take care of your own damn kids and not bring children in who you will not care for, destabilizing the entire system and requiring a bloated government agency to start raising up state-raised, state-educated frankenstein children.

[iruinedyourday]

my dad payed into SS 360k over his life.. he will in return get about 80... what a fucking bunch of shit.

[Lune]

So let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying it is good for the planet to kill fetuses ("ridiculous overpopulation of the human race and the extent to which we are destroying the planet is justification enough to kill an unwanted fetus "), but it is "more cruel to kill a fully developed human than it is to kill a retarded fetus" and so the criteria for helping to save the planet is that the killing must be relatively convenient and also humane?

Yea it sounds like you want all of these decisions and policies to be black and white instead of shades of gray. Abortion is obviously not ideal, but it does help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world.

Pretty much this:

Why wouldn't you want it to be humane? Why would you want it to be inconvenient?

What are you even implying with these retarded questions?

How about toddlers? They don't have a fully developed sense of identity until around three or so.

And what morality prioritizes in the manner you have described? Are you referring to the feelings of the mother relative to the life of an embryo? Or something more dire?

While not fully developed, toddlers are more developed than a fetus. They are developed enough for the idea of killing them to become abhorrent. Sounds like a good place to draw the line to me.

[maskedmelon]

Killing a human who has been assigned an identity is murder. Don't try to move the goalpost to shit I already covered, nerd.

As for which morality? Any morality that wants to restrict abortion and saddle society with unwanted children because of fears of it not being "humane" to carefully prune who enters society. The subjective experience of an entity that has no sense of identity is immaterial compared to material human concerns.

So a name then constitutes identity. Ok. Legality = morality? Interesting place to draw the line.

Stands to reason that that which is not material would in be immaterial ^^ Thanks for that gem <3

[Pokesan]

morality can only be derived from a divine source making it a pointless thing to worry about

[James_Joyce]

So a name then constitutes identity. Ok. Legality = morality? Interesting place to draw the line.

Stands to reason that that which is not material would in be immaterial ^^ Thanks for that gem <3

Yes, I know enough about embryology to know there is no clear-cut moment when a fetus becomes a living, sensing human other than arguably the moment of birth. The line of demarcation is immaterial and arbitrary regardless of where you draw it, so don't paint me like some kind of outlier. Your argument depends on the same immateriality.

The important thing is guaranteeing that euthanasia of living humans does not become a thing. That's why you draw the line at murder of a human with an identity. Any mass of cells without a human identity or subjective experience of reality cannot be murdered, as it is not human. It's very simple.

[maskedmelon]

While not fully developed, toddlers are more developed than a fetus. They are developed enough for the idea of killing them to become abhorrent. Sounds like a good place to draw the line to me.

Abhorrent to you perhaps, but entirely acceptable to a more reasoned man under the line of reasoning that initiated this conversation.

If abhorrence is the qualification for drawing the line so to speak, then pro-lifers have a valid argument. They find abortion abhorrent.

[James_Joyce]

Abhorrent to you perhaps, but entirely acceptable to a more reasoned man under the line of reasoning that initiated this conversation.

If abhorrence is the qualification for drawing the line so to speak, then pro-lifers have a valid argument. They find abortion abhorrent.

I find you eating fruit abhorrent. I can hear the cries of the planet with every bite.

If you are caught eating fruit, I will have 6 thugs in uniforms imprison you on pain of death.

Statists, yall.

[Lurikeen]

Yea it sounds like you want all of these decisions and policies to be black and white instead of shades of gray. Abortion is obviously not ideal, but it does help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world.



My question wasn't concerning "shades of gray." If your goal is to "help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world," then why not fully support a view of eugenics? You're already willing to kill a "retarded fetus" and you suggest sterilization of those you do not want to reproduce. You're just a step away from euthanizing those elderly who can no longer function is society and the disabled who can't contribute to the greater good.

[Swish]

I'm a pro-lifer. Ask yourself if you wanted to be aborted before you were born. Everyone should have a chance out in the world.

I also believe in euthanasia, or pro-choice if people want to bring things to an end for medical reasons and while I can see how it would be abused, particularly to bump off senile relatives who are sitting on a $$$$$ mountain...I think there should be something in place globally. In the meantime, those who can hang themselves or whatever will do so and that's far more distressing for people around them.

What a nice cheery post :)

[James_Joyce]

Voluntary euthanasia already exists. Setting up a government agency to do it is completely insane.

[Lurikeen]

Some of you flirting with a bit of Nazi ideology. They started practicing euthanasia on their own mentally handicapped and old sick people in Germany before the war actually broke out.

BINGO!

[Lurikeen]

Voluntary euthanasia already exists. Setting up a government agency to do it is completely insane.

Would you support a program of euthanasia as long as it was in the private sector?

[James_Joyce]

Suggesting you should have total personal freedom over nonsentient cells growing in your body is flirting with a totalitarian ideology! In the name of not being totalitarian, I suggest we employ vast numbers of police to ensure such freedoms are never practiced.

[Pokesan]

I'm a pro-lifer. Ask yourself if you wanted to be aborted before you were born.

what do you think a fetus would say if you asked it that question

[Dillian]

not suicidal, but i am a firm believer of, if you dont want to live anymore who has the right to stop you from killing your self.

[James_Joyce]

Would you support a program of euthanasia as long as it was in the private sector?

Nope.

I would support the right for people who are physically unable to end themselves due to health issues giving legal authority to a loved one, NONCOMMERCIALLY, to kill them. With extensive very rigorous documentation of the giving of consent and the medical issue that prevents the person from pulling the trigger of a gun. That's about as far as I would go.

If you're able-bodied, do it yourself.

[maskedmelon]

morality can only be derived from a divine source making it a pointless thing to worry about

I've always viewed morals as cultural constructs, not necessarily rooted in the divine and often the product of contemporary pragmatism of the times and places in which they originated.

[Pokesan]

also knock it off with the eugenics accusations - I'm pretty sure lune was calling all fetuses retarded

[Lune]

My question wasn't concerning "shades of gray." If your goal is to "help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world," then why not fully support a view of eugenics? You're already willing to kill a "retarded fetus" and you suggest sterilization of those you do not want to reproduce. You're just a step away from euthanizing those elderly who can no longer function is society and the disabled who can't contribute to the greater good.

You can't just assume that some of my beliefs will lead to others, that's known as a slippery slope fallacy.

How about you counter the reasoning of my stance if you disagree with it, rather than trying to label me a Nazi?

And for the record, I am a fascist, not a Nazi, do support reproduction being a privilege, not a right, and do not support killing the disabled, or killing anyone besides a fetus, for that matter.

[Lurikeen]

Nope.

I would support the right for people who are physically unable to end themselves due to health issues giving legal authority to a loved one, NONCOMMERCIALLY, to kill them. With extensive very rigorous documentation of the giving of consent and the medical issue that prevents the person from pulling the trigger of a gun. That's about as far as I would go.

If you're able-bodied, do it yourself.

Alright. You seem to be supporting home-grown euthanasia. Take grandma upstairs, family says good-bye, and then they take her life. All with her consent, though, so that makes it morally good. Uh, huh.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm a pro-lifer. Ask yourself if you wanted to be aborted before you were born. Everyone should have a chance out in the world.

if my mom was 14 years old and a drug addict and Id be born with my eyes too far apart, yes.

gimi a break. You aint that dumb swish. U just trying to fucking nice guy your way into sidelle's digital panties. not gonna happen.

my mother was a fucking saint fuck you for insinuating she would have aborted me, she and my father worked for 6 years at having thier first child.

[James_Joyce]

Alright. You seem to be supporting home-grown euthanasia. Take grandma upstairs, family says good-bye, and then they take her life. All with her consent, though, so that makes it morally good. Uh, huh.

Is grandma quadriplegic? Is there video evidence of her crying and begging to have her life ended? Because if not, that's strawman as fuck.

If you're able bodied, you do it yourself as I said.

Not that debate here is usually of a high quality, but the level of stupidity in this thread is just astounding. We're all Nazis and we're all advocating whatever insanity comes to your mind? You seem rustled by reality.

[iruinedyourday]

not suicidal, but i am a firm believer of, if you dont want to live anymore who has the right to stop you from killing your self.

truth

[Lurikeen]

You can't just assume that some of my beliefs will lead to others, that's known as a slippery slope fallacy.

How about you counter the reasoning of my stance if you disagree with it, rather than trying to label me a Nazi?

And for the record, I am a fascist, not a Nazi, do support reproduction being a privilege, not a right, and do not support killing the disabled, or killing anyone besides a fetus, for that matter.

I'm not sure you understand what a "slippery slope fallacy" is, since I am not making an argument as much as I am engaging your own words. Also, you should take a moment to read the posts. Nowhere did I "label [you] a Nazi."

[Lune]

Alright. You seem to be supporting home-grown euthanasia. Take grandma upstairs, family says good-bye, and then they take her life. All with her consent, though, so that makes it morally good. Uh, huh.

My grandmother had Alzheimer's and spent the last 2.5 years of her life in abject misery, wailing, crying, and begging for death, in spite of being under the care of professionals and in the presence of her family.

You sound like a huge asshole just assuming euthanasia is never warranted.

[maskedmelon]

My question wasn't concerning "shades of gray." If your goal is to "help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world," then why not fully support a view of eugenics? You're already willing to kill a "retarded fetus" and you suggest sterilization of those you do not want to reproduce. You're just a step away from euthanizing those elderly who can no longer function is society and the disabled who can't contribute to the greater good.

That is the troubling conclusion reason delivers and incidentally the reason we should be wary of advances in AI.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm not sure you understand what a "slippery slope fallacy" is, since I am not making an argument as much as I am engaging your own words. Also, you should take a moment to read the posts. Nowhere did I "label [you] a Nazi."

you already labeled him a marxist socialist weeks ago.

[iruinedyourday]

That is the troubling conclusion reason delivers and incidentally the reason we should be wary of advances in AI.

Always wanted to write some terminator fan fic.. where it started out the robots were like literatly helping in every positive way possible, making it so you didnt have to work, making life better in every aspect

but the red states are like

THESE DEVIL BOTS ARE TAKING OUR JOBS AND GOING TO RESTRICT OUR FREEDOM

and then they start the judgement day by trying to genocide all artificial intelligence based off their retarded outlook on life so the robots are just like, "FINE! well put you in cages you animals."

[Lurikeen]

Is grandma quadriplegic? Is there video evidence of her crying and begging to have her life ended? Because if not, that's strawman as fuck.

If you're able bodied, you do it yourself as I said.

Not that debate here is usually of a high quality, but the level of stupidity in this thread is just astounding. We're all Nazis and we're all advocating whatever insanity comes to your mind? You seem rustled by reality.

Explain how that is a straw-man given your assertion, "Is grandma quadriplegic? Is there video evidence of her crying and begging to have her life ended?" Indeed, you seem to be arguing it is OK to euthanize "grandma quadriplegic" at home ("I would support the right for people who are physically unable to end themselves due to health issues giving legal authority to a loved one....").

[James_Joyce]

Always wanted to write some terminator fan fic.. where it started out the robots were like literatly helping in every positive way possible, making it so you didnt have to work, making life better in every aspect

but the red states are like

THESE DEVIL BOTS ARE TAKING OUR JOBS AND GOING TO RESTRICT OUR FREEDOM

and then they start the judgement day by trying to genocide al artificial intelligence based off their retarded outlook on life.

i found some cutting edge internet videos that should hold your attention for the next 20 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N8IpxO6rKs

[James_Joyce]

Explain how that is a straw-man given your assertion, "Is grandma quadriplegic? Is there video evidence of her crying and begging to have her life ended?" Indeed, you seem to be arguing it is OK to euthanize "grandma quadriplegic" at home ("I would support the right for people who are physically unable to end themselves due to health issues giving legal authority to a loved one....").

The only thing you described about grandma is that she's a grandma. I already stated there would be far stricter requirements on authorizing voluntary euthanasia. The more important thing would be a physical malady like paralysis; age would play very little into this.

Ergo, you twisted my argument into one it was not, ergo you're a strawmanning shit-tier poster.

[Lurikeen]

My grandmother had Alzheimer's and spent the last 2.5 years of her life in abject misery, wailing, crying, and begging for death, in spite of being under the care of professionals and in the presence of her family.

You sound like a huge asshole just assuming euthanasia is never warranted.

Yes, so now that you have determined I am a "huge asshole" I suppose the conversation is over? :rolleyes:

The only thing you described about grandma is that she's a grandma. I already stated there would be far stricter requirements on authorizing voluntary euthanasia. The more important thing would be a physical malady like paralysis; age would play very little into this.

Ergo, you twisted my argument into one it was not, ergo you're a strawmanning shit-tier poster.

Typical of fundamentalists of any stripe to resort to ad hominem when they can't engage questions of their "faith."

[iruinedyourday]

i found some cutting edge internet videos that should hold your attention for the next 20 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N8IpxO6rKs

hehe love these guys.

I relaly like there animated podcasts but they only do so few of them :(

IF ONLY ROBOTS ANIMATED THEM, then they would all be done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h7fG_AyJRQ

[iruinedyourday]

Yes, so now that you have determined I am a "huge asshole" I suppose the conversation is over? :rolleyes:



Typical of fundamentalists of any stripe to resort to ad hominem when they can't engage questions of their "faith."

u been a huge asshole to people who earnestly try to dumb down their arguments so you have the opportunity to understand them for months. So you got the ad hominems comin pal.

[James_Joyce]

Yes, so now that you have determined I am a "huge asshole" I suppose the conversation is over? :rolleyes:



Typical of fundamentalists of any stripe to resort to ad hominem when they can't engage questions of their "faith."

Calling a nerd out for strawmanning is "ad hominem" now.

The fallacious fallacy fallacy? Is there a latin name for this one? If not, the fact that you made the first post with zero arguments in it in reply to both of the people you were debating is pretty telling by itself.

[Pokesan]

I've always viewed morals as cultural constructs, not necessarily rooted in the divine and often the product of contemporary pragmatism of the times and places in which they originated.

morality backed only by consensus is nothing.

[maskedmelon]

morality backed only by consensus is nothing.

The Japanese would disagree.

[James_Joyce]

The Japanese would disagree.

are u claiming the japanese have no religion or philosophy underpinning their code of ethics

[Pokesan]

The Japanese would disagree.

I don't understand the reference.

[Lurikeen]

u been a huge asshole to people who earnestly try to dumb down their arguments so you have the opportunity to understand them for months. So you got the ad hominems comin pal.

Need a hug?

[maskedmelon]

are u claiming the japanese have no religion or philosophy underpinning their code of ethics

No, I said morals are cultural constructs not necessarily the product of divine inspiration in response to Poke's assertion that morals were necessarily the product of divine inspiration. For the Japanese consensus is morality and that is largely a product of the hostile environment their culture originated from, reinforced by feudal group accountability.

[Pokesan]

no those are just opinions

what backing do they have other than more opinions?

[James_Joyce]

o ok well thats a interedasting argument, thank you for just now making it

[maskedmelon]

no those are just opinions

what backing do they have other than more opinions?

Consensus of course.

[Lurikeen]

That is the troubling conclusion reason delivers and incidentally the reason we should be wary of advances in AI.

Indeed. Advances in AI could take us out of the science fiction of human transcendence (the human mind moved into a "robot" body) to its reality.

[James_Joyce]

yall realize strong AI is as likely to be seen in ur lifetime as ayyliums, right?

[Pokesan]

Consensus of course.

right, more opinions!

[maskedmelon]

o ok well thats a interedasting argument, thank you for just now making it

Which one? The "morals as cultural constructs" was made several pages back at the inception of my convo w/ Poke.

The rest, yes that's new. You're welcome ^^

[maskedmelon]

yall realize strong AI is as likely to be seen in ur lifetime as ayyliums, right?

What are ayyliums?

[James_Joyce]

no need 2 be defenive it was a geniune conpliment

ayyliums (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTLZjhHIEdw)

[maskedmelon]

OH ok. Thank you. I thought it might be an appropriate time to have a melt down.

I was this close to saying fuck it all. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsrV3zGd0c&feature=player_detailpage#t=87)

Also, those ayyliums don't concern me. ty for sharing though ^^

[Lune]

Calling all space *****s. We can take over the crack game. We can sell the coke on our own. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsRPWRJ7PY)

http://i.imgur.com/b4dDm2s.jpg

[Lurikeen]

Uh...

https://moviesfilmsandflix.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/john_carpenters_they_live_1988_685x385.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

Uh...

https://moviesfilmsandflix.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/john_carpenters_they_live_1988_685x385.jpg

good picture of trump here.

[James_Joyce]

i only just watched that movie for the 1st time recently, was actually prety good.

"hoffman lenses" heh heh heh

[iruinedyourday]

i only just watched that movie for the 1st time recently, was actually prety good.

"hoffman lenses" heh heh heh

isnt it fucked up when you realise that shepered ferry just ripped all that shit off... especailly becuse like not many people besides sci fi nerds knew about it durring the early 2k's

I mean, he never cited it once.

fuckn billionaires.

[James_Joyce]

isnt it fucked up when you realise that shepered ferry just ripped all that shit off... especailly becuse like not many people besides sci fi nerds knew about it durring the early 2k's

I mean, he never cited it once.

fuckn billionaires.

ppl didnt kno that was from a movie? dam son

"The only things in the universe that are infinite is human stupidity, and my love for inserting my throbbing member into a small child or toddler, being the tightest most elastic thing to insert myself into and the greatest pleasure known to humankind. ANd i'm not 100% sure about that second part." -Neal Degrassi

[iruinedyourday]

Trump would be a great 'litmus test' as to exactly what % of the nation are a bunch of racist assholes.

just thinkn about the positives to Trump getting the nom

I guess, some % of the racist asshole % that votes for him, are ppl like bigj that just want to watch the world burn tho i guess :/

[Pokesan]

a better question is why shouldn't it burn

[iruinedyourday]

http://usuncut.com/news/soldier-who-lost-leg-argues-against-islamophobia/

cus only like 3k are basement dwelling offtopic p99 poster types out of like what 350 mil?

and on top of that like 60% are liberal progressive super heros

[Pokesan]

ppl didnt kno that was from a movie? dam son

"The only things in the universe that are infinite is human stupidity, and my love for inserting my throbbing member into a small child or toddler, being the tightest most elastic thing to insert myself into and the greatest pleasure known to humankind. ANd i'm not 100% sure about that second part." -Neal Degrassi

I would report this if Llandris were not a spineless cur.

You win this round Big J.

[AzzarTheGod]

Calling all space *****s. We can take over the crack game. We can sell the coke on our own. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsRPWRJ7PY)

http://i.imgur.com/b4dDm2s.jpg

/dead

O lawd. The fapping montage over the slanging crack speech got me.

[James_Joyce]

I guess, some % of the racist asshole % that votes for him, are ppl like bigj that just want to watch the world burn tho i guess :/

"just wnat to watch the world burn"?? that's what you think this is about?

u will NEVER, EVER understand my relationship with Lord TRUMP. TRUMP was my childhood penpal mentor and still one of my best celebrity friends. I have signed pictures and correspondence where he took his EXTREMELY VALUABLE (WORTH BILLIONS) time to advise a child he didn't even know on making his way thru this crazy mixed-up world. He's a good man right down to his inner soul and the depths yall go to smear him are disgusting. This isn't about watching the world burn, it's about getting someone with a verifiable good and strong heart into our great nation's highest office and MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Calling all TRUMP *****z. We can take over the TRUMP game. We can sell the TRUMP on our own.

[AzzarTheGod]

Calling all TRUMP *****z. We can take over the TRUMP game. We can sell the TRUMP on our own.

[Lune]

I have signed pictures and correspondence where he took his EXTREMELY VALUABLE (WORTH BILLIONS) time to advise a child he didn't even know on making his way thru this crazy mixed-up world.

Pics or it didn't happen, shitlord

[James_Joyce]

Pics or it didn't happen, shitlord

i'll work on this sometime soon. I'm actually not lying, but I gotta dig through a lot of shit to find the damn envelope.

Ill post Prince Naseem and Mike Tyson materials at the same time prolly.