Hybrid Dps

[Qtip]

Quick question.... Do both paladin and Sk have the same dps? Then get bumped up to the same as warriors on velious? Not factoring in spells and all that bullshit. Strictly dps from weapons.

[hammbone]

thought warriors got trip attack in velly - paladins and SKs dont/wont.

[Farzo]

Sks seem to hit harder and more often than Paladins on this server.

Neglecting spells both sk and pals should hit the same rate aka same dps (not factoring in str from the larger races sks have access too ).

And yes sks and paladins get moved to the warrior dps table but restricted by their hit rates/weapon skills.

[Farzo]

I'd say Sks have about 20-30% more raw dps then Paladins. Something in the mechanics is broken.

[DRAGONBAIT]

Shadow Knight

1 No 1 Hand Blunt 200 225
1 No 1 Hand Slashing 200 225
1 No 2 Hand Blunt 200 225
1 No 2 Hand Slashing 200 225
1 No Offense 200 230

Paladin

1 No 1 Hand Blunt 200 225
1 No 1 Hand Slashing 200 225
1 No 2 Hand Blunt 200 225
1 No 2 Hand Slashing 200 225
1 No Offense 200 225


There u go, spells off. with spells the difference its clear, without its just minimal according to wiki, not sure if the velious hybrid buff up is in, since im not sure if it was only a ranger thing.

[OfftuneRZ]

SKs have always had more raw damage than paladins, this is something I remember being true on live too. SKs and Pals will not match warriors in regards to offense skill, only defense skill in velious. Rangers will meet warriors tho with offense. And Im pretty sure only monks get triple attack? Dont quote me tho

[Qtip]

Thank you for information everyone.

[Ghost of Jibekn]

skills and attack mean nothing on p99 its not coded like that, it has raw values based on class. those number literally mean nothing.

[Ghost of Jibekn]

i speak for pvp, skills and attack matter in pve but not in pvp.

[SamwiseRed]

hybrid weapons do insane dps. i prefer blasters over any other weapon system in eve.

[Ghost of Jibekn]

We sure were some damn reputable gentlemen

[SamwiseRed]

Jib, brother, you have no idea what I've become. Intel channels are starting to broadcast Samwise Bombing in Miroitem. Soon I will be feared and respected by even the bravest pvpers.

For real tho look at my KB linked in sig. It is fucking ridiculous.

[vouss]

@ OP, Sk's and paladins both miss all the time and frequently hit for 22 against well geared targets when they do hit (this sample is using epics)

But SK epic proc, death shroud proc, and DoT's can't be resisted. + HT. SK's put out some damage. Paladins put out nadda.

[Farzo]

@ OP, Sk's and paladins both miss all the time and frequently hit for 22 against well geared targets when they do hit (this sample is using epics)

But SK epic proc, death shroud proc, and DoT's can't be resisted. + HT. SK's put out some damage. Paladins put out nadda.

Yerp.

SK's spells and epic put them well ahead of a Paladin in PvE and PvP dps.

An epic proc and a few life taps and you're 500+ dmg more than a Paladin already.

The other huuuuuge disadvantage Paladins have are 0 finishing abilities PvP.

Edit
I also had 2nd highest dmg weapon hybrid weapon and still hit for 22s. (52 dmg)

[vouss]

Farzo isn't a really great source for PvP related information though, so better you take my word for it

[Farzo]

Vouss good source for pvp info: spends hours on end making gate pots 2 escape pvp deaths for a leaderboard score that doesn't really matter.

Def v desperate and the go 2 source for PvP related questions.

[Genedin]

Watching Greybeard virtually do no dmg to my monk 1v1 standing still with that wep was so hilarious. Literally missed 8/10 hits, prob would never kill him even.

SK's seem to do more dmg even just with melee. I'm partial to what jib says about the pvp too, the numbers don't seem to make a big difference.

[Ames1]

We sure were some damn reputable gentlemen

What happened to your EvE account?

: ) : ) : )

[vouss]

Vouss good source for pvp info: spends hours on end making gate pots 2 escape pvp deaths for a leaderboard score that doesn't really matter.

Def v desperate and the go 2 source for PvP related questions.

takes 1k and 2 minutes to buy a gate pot, this is why no one should take your advice

[Kergan]

Did they put the improved 2h damage tables in yet?

[Farzo]

takes 1k and 2 minutes to buy a gate pot, this is why no one should take your advice

High price 2 pay to avoid a yt.
You can craft thurg gate pots now you know? Takes like 3 components.

[Kergan]

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20011008.html

Two-Handed Weapons have been given an increased damage bonus for characters over level 50. Also, certain post-epic quality two-handers have been improved.

Paladins and Shadowknights, besides the benefits they gain from the two-handed weapons change mentioned above, have also been moved to the same combat tables as warriors. In the future we intend to examine the existing one-handed weapons useable by knights for possible upgrades. We are also increasing the Taunt skill cap for these two classes to 220.

If those changes haven't been put in yet I guess you have a little to look forward to...if they already have then yikes @ hitting for 22.

[Topdog]

I'd say Sks have about 20-30% more raw dps then Paladins. Something in the mechanics is broken.

that sounds biased, have you done any tests? i'm pretty sure sk and paladin are the exact same when it comes to offensive melee capabilities they probably run the exact same code.

i personally enjoy hitting for 22 constantly on cloth users with my Epic weapon, seems ok to me

[Farzo]

that sounds biased, have you done any tests? i'm pretty sure sk and paladin are the exact same when it comes to offensive melee capabilities they probably run the exact same code.

i personally enjoy hitting for 22 constantly on cloth users with my Epic weapon, seems ok to me

Any sk I play dueled with was hitting harder than me, my str was 200-220 without yaulp up so wasnt a large race vrs small race strength deficit.

It seems they hit harder and more often. No concrete proof though.

I used to play duel with strange on and off and he hit ALOT harder and way more frequently (misses vrs hits).

[wiggleroom]

When is discord coming out?

[Weta]

[Thu Oct 01 00:31:37 2015] You slash Utanven for 19 points of damage.

[Thu Oct 01 00:44:24 2015] You slash Cholk for 19 points of damage.
[Thu Oct 01 00:44:42 2015] You slash Cholk for 19 points of damage.(same fight)
[Thu Oct 01 01:04:35 2015] You slash Cholk for 19 points of damage.(still same fight)
[Thu Oct 01 01:09:57 2015] You slash Cholk for 19 points of damage.(.....)

[Fri Oct 02 12:06:11 2015] You slash Bangan for 19 points of damage.

[Fri Oct 02 13:07:33 2015] You slash Chmel for 19 points of damage.

[Fri Oct 02 13:04:13 2015] You slash Victim for 19 points of damage.

[Fri Oct 02 13:30:48 2015] You slash Mafakka for 43 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 02 13:30:48 2015] You slash Mafakka for 19 points of damage.(FEEL THE POWER)

[Thu Oct 08 12:16:08 2015] You slash Xico for 19 points of damage.

[Sun Oct 18 17:21:40 2015] You slash Muffcabage for 19 points of damage.

[Wed Oct 21 11:35:48 2015] You slash Kerwin for 19 points of damage.

[Thu Oct 22 12:03:13 2015] You slash Karaoke for 19 points of damage.
[Thu Oct 22 12:04:20 2015] You slash Karaoke for 19 points of damage.

[Fri Oct 30 11:15:59 2015] You slash Freez for 19 points of damage.

[Sat Oct 31 16:18:01 2015] You slash Yuuvy for 19 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 16:29:23 2015] You slash Yuuvy for 19 points of damage.

[Sat Oct 31 20:33:43 2015] You slash Wind for 19 points of damage.

Month of October only listed casters/priests/bards, I have a hilarious log of a little scrap with Brickhouse where we hit each other for 19 a combined 20 times or so in like a 3 minute fight.

Axe of Slaughter + 255 Strength at all times, God I love hitting for 19 all the time in pvp.

[Kergan]

I mean that shouldn't even be possible with the base damage table changes to 2hers? Like the base damage added per hit is more than 19, lol.

[Ghost of Jibekn]

pvp hits on p99 are very poorly coded and its designed based off class not stats. stats do not affect your pvp accuracy or hits at all. monks warriors and rogues are on top, sk/pal are far below ranger ive never played so i dont know

[syztem]

afaik the patch for the bonus damage to 2h hasn't gone in yet, so that should up the minimum hit some when it does so you don't see tons of low hits constantly just occasionally. On that note ive seen paladins double 230s, sk too. but that seems rare as hell.

[miraclegrow2]

I'd say Sks have about 20-30% more raw dps then Paladins. Something in the mechanics is broken.

something on this server is broken?

NO , you dont say

LOL

[vouss]

High price 2 pay to avoid a yt.
You can craft thurg gate pots now you know? Takes like 3 components.

Thurg gate pots take for ever to channel (15, 25 second??) Why are you even posting?

[grannock]

skills and attack mean nothing on p99 its not coded like that, it has raw values based on class. those number literally mean nothing.

Maybe you should have played post velious, and then you could speak from experience, rather than your asshole.

I notice alot more mitigation at 1250 ac with max agi and dex, i also hit more, hit harder, and backstab way harder with 1500 attack.

Stats help, all of them.

[Nirgon]

this was tested to be true

255 str vs Kubark rogues/monks I mean yeah you are gonna get some hard hits on em

Velious ac? heeh. lot of mins/misses.

Check your logs for primal Empire vs random scrubs hitting you back.