Muslims in Denmark protesting for a caliphate, Sweden now rape capital of the west [Archive]

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 12:23 AM

President Assad: These terrorist organizations, whether ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra or al- Qaeda are mere manifestations of a long and deep perversion in our region and our society. This perversion is at least five decades old; but it practically started two centuries ago with perverse interpretation of Islam. The main manifestation of this perversion is the Wahhabi movement which interpreted Islam in a perverted and, in most cases, contradictory manner with the import of Islam itself. So, these are mere manifestations.

Dealing with this short term damage, which is related to the terrorist acts, the destruction and killing they are carrying out, is not easy, but certainly possible. Dealing with it will constitute a victory for society, an important victory because it protects it against a disease and a real epidemic.

The big danger is for this treatment to take a long time and for these organizations to become entrenched within society. In that case you will be dealing with a very dangerous, cultural and intellectual situation. You will be before a new generation of ideological terrorists who believe in killing, takfir and discrimination as a basic method for building an Islamic State, as they believe. Then, the whole region will face a huge dilemma. This type of thought has no boundaries. It does not recognize political borders. It spreads, through contagion, very quickly in our region, and even in Europe, as we see today. That is why these organizations are extremely dangerous, but it is not enough to fight them as organizations. More importantly, we should fight the thought which led to the creation of these organizations, the states which promoted this type of thought and the institutions which provide funds for this thought through religious schools and foundations which promote extremism in the Islamic world.

bubur

12-01-2015, 12:27 AM

cool

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 12:29 AM

PVP server chat?

10/20 of the threads on the front page have nothing to do with Everquest, it's more of a community forum section anyway.

bubur

12-01-2015, 12:30 AM

forums need a caliphate imo

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 12:46 AM

ah, so that's what it's like to be retarded

Thanks OP

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 12:50 AM

President Assad: We wanted to say to them that terrorism will get to you in the end, but it has actually reached them recently. When we used to say this a few years ago, they said that the Syrians are threatening. Today it is no longer a threat. Terrorism has arrived in different European countries in addition to the regional countries which support terrorism and have started to suffer the consequences. There are waves of immigrants from different countries and for causes related to terrorism and other causes which might push others to leave the region. It is known that a large number of terrorists have infiltrated those immigrants, and now they are in those European countries. More importantly, this region has always been accused of exporting terrorism and extremism to Europe.
The fact today is that the most important terrorist leaders in Syria and Iraq are Europeans. Probably the largest number of terrorists comes from Muslim countries, and particularly Arab countries, but most of the leaders come from Europe, and specifically from northern Europe which is relatively far from our region and has a rich and sophisticated society. Nevertheless, terrorism comes from those countries to our region. This means that terrorism knows no boundaries, and that terrorism cannot be used as a political card whenever we want. I always liken terrorism to a scorpion. You cannot put a scorpion in your pocket, because it will sting on the first opportunity. We are repeating this now. They have started to realize this fact, but they do not dare acknowledge it, because if they do, they will have to acknowledge that they were mistaken from the beginning. This is difficult for them domestically and will constitute political suicide. That is why we hope that they will be brave enough one day to acknowledge this error and to say that they acted against the interests of their people in the service of their electoral interests.

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 12:51 AM

ah, so that's what it's like to be retarded

Thanks OP

I do what I can YW.

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 12:55 AM

I'm fucking terrified of 0.8 percent of the US population

buzz off

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 01:05 AM

I'm fucking terrified of 0.8 percent of the US population

buzz off

"The Muslim share of Europe’s total population has been increasing steadily. In recent decades, the Muslim share of the population throughout Europe grew about 1 percentage point a decade, from 4% in 1990 to 6% in 2010. This pattern is expected to continue through 2030, when Muslims are projected to make up 8% of Europe’s population."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

You think small.

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 01:20 AM

"The Muslim share of Europe’s total population has been increasing steadily. In recent decades, the Muslim share of the population throughout Europe grew about 1 percentage point a decade, from 4% in 1990 to 6% in 2010. This pattern is expected to continue through 2030, when Muslims are projected to make up 8% of Europe’s population."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

You think small.

Gadzooks! in 100 years Muslims will make up 15% of Germany! we'll really be in a pickle then!

Rastignac

12-01-2015, 01:49 AM

lol stasis literally spewing propaganda from a dictator. sigh.

iruinedyourday

12-01-2015, 02:13 AM

The greatest danger is this thread gives you cancer

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 02:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZciRDI6zM

I used to think Fox was a joke but I've somehow turned from a Liberal into a Republican?

Imagine being a moderate Muslim.

From what I gather infidels are held in higher regard than a moderate Muslim. Who would have thought in 2015 we would still have people worried about being branded a heretic. Talk about dark ages. Is this the 13th century again?

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 02:41 AM

lol stasis literally spewing propaganda from a dictator. sigh.

lol I won't personally attack you over this statement.

But please, go create your own democracy in Syria.

Let us all know how that works out. I find Assad credible, as do many 1st world governments, banks, and businesses that continue to deal with him.

You realize his intelligence services were responsible for assisting in the identifications of terrorists, hostages, and their respective locations for the past 3 years as well as bringing many to justice? His information on terrorists and terror is good enough when lives are on the line, but suddenly hes full of shit I guess because hes a dick-tator.

You realize Assad has been fighting terrorism and waging war against extremists for decades and might know a thing or two about these scumbags M.O.? Nm hes a dicktator I dun't liek him nemore. He's only been fighting terror and extremism his entire life in the most toxic region of the Middle East, but yeah what the fuck does he know man. He doesn't like, hold cheech and chong elections and stuff like Russia and the USA man. Man I really don't like that. What a dicktater.

Swish

12-01-2015, 02:50 AM

People have certain tolerance levels. As with what happens in Paris etc there will be a breaking point eventually if it keeps on and the government continues to look weak.

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 02:56 AM

lol I won't personally attack you over this statement.

But please, go create your own democracy in Syria.

Let us all know how that works out. I find Assad credible, as do many 1st world governments, banks, and businesses that continue to deal with him.

You realize his intelligence services were responsible for assisting in the identifications of terrorists, hostages, and their respective locations for the past 3 years as well as bringing many to justice? His information on terrorists and terror is good enough when lives are on the line, but suddenly hes full of shit I guess because hes a dick-tator.

You realize Assad has been fighting terrorism and waging war against extremists for decades and might know a thing or two about these scumbags M.O.? Nm hes a dicktator I dun't liek him nemore. He's only been fighting terror and extremism his entire life in the most toxic region of the Middle East, but yeah what the fuck does he know man. He doesn't like, hold cheech and chong elections and stuff like Russia and the USA man. Man I really don't like that. What a dicktater.

if you like syria so much why dont you marry it lol

Psionide

12-01-2015, 03:18 AM

Up until the start of the Syrian civil war Assad was looked upon in a positive light by American politicians, never mind that him and his father were nicknamed butchers by the Syrian people. This whole civil war started because a bunch of teenagers were arrested for spray painting anti-government propaganda. That would have happened in a number of countries not just Syria. Now, America sees an opportunity to try to depose an ally of Russia and China so they fight against this dictatorship when they have no problems with Saudi Arabia?

Fame

12-01-2015, 03:33 AM

lol dont worry dude, be confident in yourself and America. We need our people to be strong now, perhaps, more than ever.

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 03:33 AM

Syria should on paper, be our closest ally in the Middle East theater if not for the Russian and Chinese ties.

Qaddafi's dictatorship was sacked because their relations had really soured big time with France. With France turning on him, he was greenlit and fair game for a regime change in addition to his ailing mental health.

He was a power broker in the Middle East theater and started to clam up and may have asked for too much sovereignty from Uncle Sam. Witnesses had a French intelligence agent unaffiliated with the Revolution, pushed past the men detaining Qaddafi, leaned in, and shot Qaddafi while the captors were deciding what to do with him.

But he was a dicktater hehe who cares.

Farzo

12-01-2015, 04:33 AM

Sweden decided for what ever poofta reasons to invite black muslims to live in their country.

Blacks dont not know how to rape and pillage its in their DNA.

So go figure.

For such a foward thinking country its kinda hard to excuse that they didnt have the foresight to see this happening.

Swish

12-01-2015, 05:02 AM

Its a whole new level of proving you arent racist, right?

unleashedd

12-01-2015, 12:40 PM

the shit that went down in Paris wasn't a terrorist act. if it was, Russia needs to march into USA to save students from shooting themselves

Orruar

12-01-2015, 01:07 PM

the shit that went down in Paris wasn't a terrorist act. if it was, Russia needs to march into USA to save students from shooting themselves

Is the US marching troops into France against their will?
Are school shootings happening in an attempt to affect political change?
Even if school shootings were terrorism, how exactly does Russia have anything to do with Americans killing Americans?

Don't answer those questions. We know whatever response you come up with will be equally retarded as your last post.

unleashedd

12-01-2015, 01:35 PM

Is the US marching troops into France against their will?
don't see the relevance - is the US marching troops into other countries against their will?

Are school shootings happening in an attempt to affect political change?
did the shooting in Paris happen under political pretext? ISIS claimed responsibility, but I can easily take credit for inventing the internet as well

Even if school shootings were terrorism, how exactly does Russia have anything to do with Americans killing Americans?
someone has to help Americans, so why not Russia? could be anyone...

sOurDieSel

12-01-2015, 01:50 PM

School shootings are used by Communists in order to further implement gun control.

Stop importing 3rd worlders and they can't Aloha Snack'Bar in your country.

Lune

12-01-2015, 01:52 PM

Fun little slice of life video about the new reality of Europe for some.

Trash-talking Hungarian trucker braves the rock-throwing Calais migrant swarm. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=382njADcWvE)

Orruar

12-01-2015, 02:08 PM

don't see the relevance - is the US marching troops into other countries against their will?

did the shooting in Paris happen under political pretext? ISIS claimed responsibility, but I can easily take credit for inventing the internet as well

someone has to help Americans, so why not Russia? could be anyone...

Don't answer those questions. We know whatever response you come up with will be equally retarded as your last post.

Some might say I'm Nostradamus, but predicting the future is as easy as understanding that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Orruar

12-01-2015, 02:10 PM

Fun little slice of life video about the new reality of Europe for some.

Trash-talking Hungarian trucker braves the rock-throwing Calais migrant swarm. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=382njADcWvE)

Up until the very end of the movie, The Usual Suspects, I had a picture of Kaiser Soze in my head and this guy was it.

Orruar

12-01-2015, 02:12 PM

Fun little slice of life video about the new reality of Europe for some.

Trash-talking Hungarian trucker braves the rock-throwing Calais migrant swarm. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=382njADcWvE)

8:52

What in God's cock is going on here?

This needs to be part of American vernacular.

Tradesonred

12-01-2015, 02:40 PM

Stasis household idiocy capital of the west

Rastignac

12-01-2015, 02:42 PM

lol I won't personally attack you over this statement.

But please, go create your own democracy in Syria.

Let us all know how that works out. I find Assad credible, as do many 1st world governments, banks, and businesses that continue to deal with him.

You realize his intelligence services were responsible for assisting in the identifications of terrorists, hostages, and their respective locations for the past 3 years as well as bringing many to justice? His information on terrorists and terror is good enough when lives are on the line, but suddenly hes full of shit I guess because hes a dick-tator.

You realize Assad has been fighting terrorism and waging war against extremists for decades and might know a thing or two about these scumbags M.O.? Nm hes a dicktator I dun't liek him nemore. He's only been fighting terror and extremism his entire life in the most toxic region of the Middle East, but yeah what the fuck does he know man. He doesn't like, hold cheech and chong elections and stuff like Russia and the USA man. Man I really don't like that. What a dicktater.

I'm gonna poke the stupid bag and ask you which 1st world governments you are talking about.

Tradesonred

12-01-2015, 02:44 PM

France right now in a nutshell (Cops trampling all over tribute to victims of Paris attacks)

http://s14.postimg.org/rz3c0k0y9/asd.jpg

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 04:39 PM

^
What the fuck is that? Talk about bad press.

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 05:08 PM

I'm gonna poke the stupid bag and ask you which 1st world governments you are talking about.

This is a gotcha question because we both know it was inappropriate for me to use that term in the first place as it was created by the US, NATO, and its allies several decades ago for the purpose of the Cold War. I was using it colloquially.

I'm not going to list any developed or developing nations working with Assad because there is no point arguing semantics with a potential bigot.

By formal definition there are no 1st world governments working with, or indirectly allied with Assad in any way shape or form. There.

Rastignac

12-01-2015, 05:11 PM

This is a gotcha question because we both know it was inappropriate for me to use that term in the first place as it was created by the US, NATO, and its allies several decades ago for the purpose of the Cold War. I was using it colloquially.

I'm not going to list any developed or developing nations working with Assad because there is no point arguing semantics with a potential bigot.

By formal definition there are no 1st world governments working with, or indirectly allied with Assad in any way shape or form. There.

It was indeed a gotcha question, as in, you were talking out of your ass and I got ya.

The nations working with Assad are themselves authoritarian nations. He has bombed his own territory, created the worst refugee crisis in decades and employed chemical weapons against his own people.

Now if these things fail to move you, so be it. If you are ignorant of them, go do your homework.

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 05:44 PM

Fun little slice of life video about the new reality of Europe for some.

Trash-talking Hungarian trucker braves the rock-throwing Calais migrant swarm. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=382njADcWvE)

I hope he becomes the next prime minister of the EU. That man is the hero the west needs.

Rastignac

12-01-2015, 05:45 PM

I hope he becomes the next prime minister of the EU. That man is the hero the west needs.

Oooh this thread really bringing out the Red99 psychos. Never change!

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 06:16 PM

Wow people want to leave the concentration camps, look for work, a new life and path to citizenship. I'm shocked.

The trucker is judging them for not picking up a gun in their home country. Quick to judge when he has never faced that reality.

"Everyone's a tough guy until it comes time to do tough guy shit" - Wise man

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 06:45 PM

in 50 years, i dont think anyone will need to give a shit about the mid east. global warming, transition from petroleum as a source of fuel, war, cleansing nuclear fire, etc.

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 06:51 PM

Oooh this thread really bringing out the Red99 psychos. Never change!
You must be new here to think I'd ever touch that cesspit.
Wow people want to leave the concentration camps, look for work, a new life and path to citizenship. I'm shocked.

The trucker is judging them for not picking up a gun in their home country. Quick to judge when he has never faced that reality.

"Everyone's a tough guy until it comes time to do tough guy shit" - Wise man

How ever did I get a job not knowing how to properly search for one?

I'm going to have to make a mental note for the future if I ever look for different work:
Walk illegally on the side of the highway.
Throw rocks at vehicles passing by.
Block traffic.
Assault the drivers of said vehicles.

That's totally what anyone looking for a job should... you know, it's just easier if I call you stupid.

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 06:55 PM

That's totally what anyone looking for a job should... you know, it's just easier if I call you stupid.

Oh so they have access to programs in the camps, that would secure them a healthy longterm future in the country, have been given assurances and guarantees of this on written paper/legislation? Without taking matters into their own hands?

Who is stupid again? I just can't bring myself to pretend like you I guess. These guys walking on the street are the future innovators and frontiersmen on the cutting edge. The forerunners. They are the spirit of America. If you can't see that you are probably a racist bigot. They want a piece of the action, not in 5 fucking years, today pal. Hook em up?

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 07:13 PM

Oh so they have access to programs in the camps, that would secure them a healthy longterm future in the country, have been given assurances and guarantees of this on written paper/legislation? Without taking matters into their own hands?

Who is stupid again? I just can't bring myself to pretend like you I guess. These guys walking on the street are the future innovators and frontiersmen on the cutting edge. The forerunners. They are the spirit of America. If you can't see that you are probably a racist bigot. They want a piece of the action, not in 5 fucking years, today pal. Hook em up?

1. Yeah, clock boy too.
2. That's Hungary not America, dipshit.

AzzarTheGod

12-01-2015, 07:18 PM

1. Yeah, clock boy too.
2. That's Hungary not America, dipshit.

Whooosh. Right over your head.

Probably more American than you too.

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 07:23 PM

You're bad at this.

iruinedyourday

12-01-2015, 08:09 PM

who the fuck is in kagas avatar

Lune

12-01-2015, 08:17 PM

Adam Sessler

Didn't you used to watch G4 in the background when you came home from school and played EQ/vanilla WoW til it was time for bed?

Oh right you're 13 years old

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 08:29 PM

okay but who's sargon of akkad? is he the one kaga gets his youtube opinions from or is that somebody else?

iruinedyourday

12-01-2015, 08:30 PM

Adam Sessler

Didn't you used to watch G4 in the background when you came home from school and played EQ/vanilla WoW til it was time for bed?

Oh right you're 13 years old

im 13 years old and I still crush more pussy than u

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 08:54 PM

who the fuck is in kagas avatar
I've had this avatar for over 6 months, why ask now?
okay but who's sargon of akkad? is he the one kaga gets his youtube opinions from or is that somebody else?

No, that would be moon man.

iruinedyourday

12-01-2015, 08:56 PM

I've had this avatar for over 6 months, why ask now?

I had hoped you would change it by the time i couldn't stand it enough to ask

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 09:19 PM

I've had this avatar for over 6 months, why ask now?

No, that would be moon man.

who's moon man?

i never know these internet celebrities you kids post about so much

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 09:42 PM

Not gonna fall for that.

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 09:43 PM

WHO IS MOON MAN

Lune

12-01-2015, 09:44 PM

http://i.imgur.com/MtnRFg2.jpg

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-01-2015, 09:54 PM

http://i.imgur.com/MtnRFg2.jpg

That be moon man. He, Sam Hyde, The Duder, and Ben Garrison are all going to fix this country.

Swish

12-01-2015, 10:38 PM

another quality offtopic thread :o

Pokesan

12-01-2015, 11:35 PM

another quality offtopic thread :o

need to get Monty in here to make some high quality posts

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 11:43 PM

I just don't get why any country would take Muslim immigrants. They don't assimilate and stick with themselves, are highly religious, many believe in sharia law, we don't share their beliefs of the oppression of women.

Many have a hostile take over mentality with their religion.

I just don't get it.

It's like we're so soft that we can't even stick up for our values.

Swish

12-01-2015, 11:45 PM

I just don't get why any country would take Muslim immigrants. They don't assimilate and stick with themselves, are highly religious, many believe in sharia law, we don't share their beliefs of the oppression of women.

Many have a hostile take over mentality with their religion.

I just don't get it.

Because they breed like rabbits and the world apparently needs more taxpayers/slaves/etc.

Also they don't care generally about the politics of the new country they find themselves in unless something offends them so you're buying more quiet non-voters.

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 11:46 PM

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/muslims-try-pass-sharia-law-alabama-citizens-say-hell-watch/

Shits going on all over the world.

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 11:48 PM

http://www.ibtimes.com/thousands-muslims-gather-england-pledge-islamic-caliphate-name-peace-2071828

iruinedyourday

12-01-2015, 11:49 PM

I for one would like to express my values of which are, fuck stasis01's opinon.

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 11:49 PM

Because they breed like rabbits and the world apparently needs more taxpayers/slaves/etc.

Also they don't care generally about the politics of the new country they find themselves in unless something offends them so you're buying more quiet non-voters.

They don't care generally about the politics?

What drugs.

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 11:50 PM

I for one would like to express my values of which are, fuck stasis01's opinon.

You could have just said nothing, because you said nothing.

Stasis01

12-01-2015, 11:54 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-nigeria-schoolgirls/while-world-watches-isis-boko-haram-declares-its-own-caliphate-n202556

Let's not forget about Boko Haram wanting to make a caliphate in Nigeria.

Pokesan

12-02-2015, 01:44 AM

iruinedyourday

12-02-2015, 01:45 AM

You could have just said nothing, because you said nothing.

Hmm same same

Pokesan

12-02-2015, 01:51 AM

SHARIA LAW?

NEARLY ALL OF US HERE ARE AMERICAN, AND THAT'S A SERIOUS FUCKING WORRY OF YOURS?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR GARBAGE BRAINS FOLKS

AzzarTheGod

12-02-2015, 02:23 AM

I just don't get why any country would take Muslim immigrants. They don't assimilate and stick with themselves, are highly religious, many believe in sharia law, we don't share their beliefs of the oppression of women.

What the fuck...did you not see the video of Hungary with the refugees attempting to assimilate and integrate?

Do you think that they were hailing trucks in droves trying to hitch a ride and leave the refugee camps so they could stick with themselves?

Do you think they had intentions of "sticking with themselves" by hitching a ride with a trucker headed to a random city? Do you think they would solicit car rides from random infidels because they are highly religious?

Oppression of women and Sharia law in America...yeah not happening.

I don't see you bashing the Jewish community over the Talmud and how it says you are worthless cattle, and a Jew's life is always worth more than yours. And how Rabbi's direct their members of temple to always help the true Jew over the new-Jew or non-Jew no matter how strong your friendship is the Rabbi will demand the Jew get the position/loan/promotion over you under threat of violating the Talmud? No you don't have anything to say about that. Are you consistent or just selectively racist?

Nice generalized bigotry and racism. Maybe if you show them true kindness and understanding it will be returned.

Lune

12-02-2015, 02:33 AM

What the fuck...did you not see the video of Hungary with the refugees attempting to assimilate and integrate?

Do you think that they were hailing trucks in droves trying to hitch a ride and leave the refugee camps so they could stick with themselves?

Do you think they had intentions of "sticking with themselves" by hitching a ride with a trucker to god knows where? Do you think they would take car rides from random infidels because they are highly religious? Really?

Nice generalized bigotry and racism.

If you're referring to the video earlier in this thread:

1. That wasn't in Hungary, it was in Calais, a port and conduit between France and England. The driver was Hungarian.

2. You seem to have no idea what assimilating and integrating means. It has nothing to do with trying to stow away on a truck to get to a richer/more desirable country.

3. They are indeed highly religious.

4. They seem to like to throw rocks at the trucks for some reason.

Pokesan

12-02-2015, 02:41 AM

assimilating and integrating means abandoning your prior culture in favor of consumerism and is overall a dumb thing to expect of anyone

AzzarTheGod

12-02-2015, 02:47 AM

Doesn't matter Lune. In the video I can see plainly that there is absolutely no way that behavior is:

1) sticking to themselves

Or

2) highly religious

We didn't see anyone actually hitchhike, but I am making the assumption they wanted a ride based on the fact they were trying to pull doors open and jumping onto the cab and riding along with the truck until they were kicked off or lost their nerve and got scared.

It's possible they were just having some fun, sure. But I'll stick to my initial observation which is they were attempting to integrate. Completely counter intuitive to what Stasis was on about.

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-02-2015, 06:11 AM

^
You are really really bad at this.

Bazia

12-02-2015, 06:41 AM

yeah that was the friendlist rock and trash hurdling i've ever seen

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 10:03 AM

It's possible they were just having some fun, sure. But I'll stick to my initial observation which is they were attempting to integrate.

The word is spelled infiltrate ^^

On a serious note though, attemptimg to gain admittance to a place does not necessarily connote a desire to integrate with it. I mean come on, is the peeping tom who enters a woman's locker room trying to integrate?

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 10:10 AM

As for all the ridiculous cries of racism, Islam is not a race. It is a vile religion afflicting all races. This is about ideas not genetics, so stop constantly insinuating brown (or any other color) of people are inferior. The only ones promoting that idea are the ones crying racist. It is shameful. Your lack of pigment does not make you or your ideas any better than anyone else's.

Stasis01

12-02-2015, 10:47 AM

religious tolerance is one of our most important values IMO

Look I'm not saying we have to hate them or fuck them over, but do we really want Islam in the US/Canada, and why?

We don't have to just bend over and invite a bunch of people with different values and views into our society, that's crazy.

I'm by no means christian either(I grew up that way, realised it makes no sense and ditched it) this isn't a religious thing, if I lived during the crusades I'd be saying the same shit about them.

Bardalicious

12-02-2015, 10:49 AM

yeah that was the friendlist rock and trash hurdling i've ever seen

Hahaha, right??

I hate that we're so worried as a society to be politically correct and accepting of difference that we can't even stand up for ourselves and our own values anymore without being labeled xenophobic and racist.

I believe it's an incredibly bad idea to allow these refugees in to European countries. Here are a few points to consider:

These people by and large are Muslim. Years of anti-western propaganda in their countries has helped to brainwash them from a very young age to devalue the lives of unbelievers over other Muslims, as well as to hate the west and western way of life.

This would cause inevitable tension between the two cultures as it always does. Imagine the culture shock that awaits millions of Muslim refugees in Europe when they see half naked men and women on billboards, strip clubs, mini skirts and heels, alcohol, smoking, little to no halal butcher shops etc.

One reason why Muslim women must wear headscarves is because Muslim men and women are taught that if you do not wear the scarf that it is lawful for Muslim men to rape women, especially non-Muslim women or "the wives of infidels." Every woman in Europe is not covered, every woman in Europe is thus fair game. And this epidemic is already ongoing in Sweden. German schools have already warned girls not to wear mini-skirts for this very reason.

Muslims have a proven track record of not integrating into other cultures well, especially not western countries and regions like Europe. This would be no different.

Many of these people are illiterate young men under age 30 who do not speak the language of the countries they are trying to enter and will have enormous difficulty finding jobs in economies that are already struggling. Imagine the further animosity that will fester when foreigners and their children grow up in a strange "godless" land where they are poor and discriminated against because of people's (understandable) anxieties toward Islam.

These people are [highly] religious, they live, breathe, eat, and sleep religion and devotion to Allah comes above even their own lives, now contrast that mentality with the mentality of Europe which is mostly atheistic and hardly mentions religion in every day discourse. The idea that Europe can take in these suffering people and provide them with new lives without all these inevitable consequences is preposterous. It will happen because these things already [have] happened via the old Muslim population that has come before. Do not forget the first reason listed in this post as to why taking in these suffering migrants is a bad idea. It is possibly the worst decision any European country could possibly make. Let them be taken into a country more sensitive to their religious needs and that is more culturally familiar to them. Europe will only turn these young men into radicals.

Stasis01

12-02-2015, 10:53 AM

Hahaha, right??

I hate that we're so worried as a society to be politically correct and accepting of difference that we can't even stand up for ourselves and our own values anymore without being labeled xenophobic and racist.

I believe it's an incredibly bad idea to allow these refugees in to European countries. Here are a few points to consider:

1. These people by and large are Muslim. Years of anti-western propaganda in their countries has helped to brainwash them from a very young age to devalue the lives of unbelievers over other Muslims, as well as to hate the west and western way of life.

2. This would cause inevitable tension between the two cultures as it always does. Imagine the culture shock that awaits millions of Muslim refugees in Europe when they see half naked men and women on billboards, strip clubs, mini skirts and heels, alcohol, smoking, little to no halal butcher shops etc.

3. One reason why Muslim women must wear headscarves is because Muslim men and women are taught that if you do not wear the scarf that it is lawful for Muslim men to rape women, especially non-Muslim women or "the wives of infidels." Every woman in Europe is not covered, every woman in Europe is thus fair game. And this epidemic is already ongoing in Sweden. German schools have already warned girls not to wear mini-skirts for this very reason.

4. Muslims have a proven track record of not integrating into other cultures well, especially not western countries and regions like Europe. This would be no different.

5. Many of these people are illiterate young men under age 30 who do not speak the language of the countries they are trying to enter and will have enormous difficulty finding jobs in economies that are already struggling. Imagine the further animosity that will fester when foreigners and their children grow up in a strange "godless" land where they are poor and discriminated against because of people's (understandable) anxieties toward Islam.

6. These people are [highly] religious, they live, breathe, eat, and sleep religion and devotion to Allah comes above even their own lives, now contrast that mentality with the mentality of Europe which is mostly atheistic and hardly mentions religion in every day discourse. The idea that Europe can take in these suffering people and provide them with new lives without all these inevitable consequences is preposterous. It will happen because these things already [have] happened via the old Muslim population that has come before. Do not forget the first reason listed in this post as to why taking in these suffering migrants is a bad idea. It is possibly the worst decision any European country could possibly make. Let them be taken into a country more sensitive to their religious needs and that is more culturally familiar to them. Europe will only turn these young men into radicals.

People like us have been shunned by a lot of people and it's starting to come out a lot more, I know this is just a stupid EQ forum but people are talking more and this we must take it dry by everyone and not stand up for our beliefs and culture is becoming greater.

I am a big fan of Bill Maher a liberal and he's saying roughly the same shit. He quoted on his show 18% of Muslims in Indonesia (a "moderate" muslim country) believe in extreme islamic ideas.

Stasis01

12-02-2015, 11:07 AM

In fact Bill Maher had a muslim woman on his show that he interviewed who had a friend beheaded and then they laid down their prayer stones after mopping up the blood from the murder.

Most of these muslim cultures that we need to "respect and value and blah blah fuck off" are oppressive and against everything I believe.

She is saying why aren't people sticking up for the oppressed muslims, when you have liberal views, it makes no fucking sense.

That doesn't mean bring all of the moderate ones into our country.

ronasch

12-02-2015, 11:13 AM

Mooslims suck.

I'm a proud bigot of Islam roar!!!!

On a side note anyone hear about the shooting in Louisiana over the weekend at a kids birthday party? 17 shot at a park no media coverage.

iruinedyourday

12-02-2015, 01:18 PM

I can see why bardslicious doesnt like me, hes a bigot scumbag. Id take any non vetted refuge over him anyday.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 01:31 PM

On a side note anyone hear about the shooting in Louisiana over the weekend at a kids birthday party? 17 shot at a park no media coverage.

That was gang related and was a shoutout (multiple factions) not a slaughter. Stop using skin color to equate ordinary (albeit appalling) criminality with hateful ideology. It's racist and it's wrong. One is about socieconomics and the other religion. Both are the product of culture. Neither has anything to do with genetics, asshole.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 01:40 PM

I can see why bardslicious doesnt like me, hes a bigot scumbag. Id take any non vetted refuge over him anyday.

Serious question, what if non-vetted refugee turned out to be a member of ISIS? No matter how much you disagree with him, you know (or at least should know) that Bardalicious would never engage in the sort of brutality preached by the sharia adherents of ISIS. That aside you share many more common beliefs with Bardalicious than you do with Muslims. The difference is, you aren't listening to what the Muslims have to say.

sOurDieSel

12-02-2015, 01:53 PM

Muslim Culture = Blowing Shit Up

ronasch

12-02-2015, 02:00 PM

That was gang related and was a shoutout (multiple factions) not a slaughter. Stop using skin color to equate ordinary (albeit appalling) criminality with hateful ideology. It's racist and it's wrong. One is about socieconomics and the other religion. Both are the product of culture. Neither has anything to do with genetics, asshole.

Hey dumbfuck, I'm only pointing out that there was 0 coverage. Does it matter that it was gang related oh wait Blacks killing blacks its expected no reason to cover that, but when white biker gangs have shootouts at restaurants every national media outlet is licking their chops. Masked I used to think you were somewhat intelligent obviously you proved me wrong

ronasch

12-02-2015, 02:05 PM

The Left wants to see planned parenthood shot up by some right wing radical. It helps their cause to erase Christianity from America. They love that shit.

Pokesan

12-02-2015, 02:07 PM

Muslim Culture = Blowing Shit Up

Russian culture too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUk1z8HBe-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0IeZIcW9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rKrwdUUok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWveLHVG7mo

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 02:11 PM

Hey dumbfuck, I'm only pointing out that there was 0 coverage. Does it matter that it was gang related oh wait Blacks killing blacks its expected no reason to cover that, but when white biker gangs have shootouts at restaurants every national media outlet is licking their chops. Masked I used to think you were somewhat intelligent obviously you proved me wrong

My bad Rons :/ I thought I detected veiled racism there. We must be ever vigilant, you know?

I apologize.

ronasch

12-02-2015, 02:32 PM

My bad Rons :/ I thought I detected veiled racism there. We must be ever vigilant, you know?

I apologize.

Alls good I as well take back the dumbfuck comment

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 02:32 PM

Yall need to chill out and luxuriate in the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Pokesan

12-02-2015, 02:37 PM

What are we doing here if not wallowing in our own intellectual filth?

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 02:39 PM

Also instead of ban hammering can we just get badges? Racist badge, fascist badge, "i get my news from Drudge Report" badge, etc.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 02:42 PM

We've earned two more stars. That counts for something doesn't it?

Lune

12-02-2015, 02:48 PM

Also instead of ban hammering can we just get badges? Racist badge, fascist badge, "i get my news from Drudge Report" badge, etc.

Or instead of coming in here and calling us racists and fascists, make a point and say why we're wrong. Good points were made in this thread on both sides and I've refined my views. I'm always open to facts.

This forum needs more reasonable people and less low-effort trolls and morons.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 02:59 PM

This world needs more reasonable people and less low-effort trolls and morons.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 02:59 PM

Or instead of coming in here and calling us racists and fascists, make a point and say why we're wrong. Good points were made in this thread on both sides and I've refined my views. I'm always open to facts.

This forum needs more reasonable people and less low-effort trolls and morons.

If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in. What you call an exchange of views is really just a bunch of bone heads trotting out their jingoism and xenophobia, indulging in peurile pleasure, and then donning a tone of moderation later on to feel better about themselves. This conversation is not virtuous. If you want to educate yourself read real news

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:06 PM

What I mean to say is that when you have a pro-assad propagandist and an unreconstructed racist ranting post after post, discourse has not been earned. Derision is appropriate.

So, badges.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 03:08 PM

lol stasis literally spewing propaganda from a dictator. sigh.

I'm gonna poke the stupid bag and ask you which 1st world governments you are talking about.

It was indeed a gotcha question, as in, you were talking out of your ass and I got ya.

The nations working with Assad are themselves authoritarian nations. He has bombed his own territory, created the worst refugee crisis in decades and employed chemical weapons against his own people.

Now if these things fail to move you, so be it. If you are ignorant of them, go do your homework.

Oooh this thread really bringing out the Red99 psychos. Never change!

Yall need to chill out and luxuriate in the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Also instead of ban hammering can we just get badges? Racist badge, fascist badge, "i get my news from Drudge Report" badge, etc.

Thank you for your contributions Rast...

Lune

12-02-2015, 03:09 PM

If you want to educate yourself read real news

You use the news to educate yourself and you're calling me a bone head? The news is for being notified about an event that happens, not telling you how to think, in spite of all your American conditioning to the contrary. I read plenty of pro-Muslim editorials on Al-Jazeera but I balance it out with what I know and what is empirically verifiable about the world, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on this forum who has provided a shitload of facts supporting my assertions about Muslims. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2106566&postcount=18)

If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in.

I thought this was that other thread, you're right this thread sucks.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:10 PM

Thank you for your contributions Rast...

If you respond to someone spewing ignorant hate by flattering them with calm, patient replies, they walk away thinking that they have participated in a conversation. It's bad reinforcement. That's how free speech works - you get to say what you want, and you get to be marginalized as a result.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:14 PM

Putting aside the fact the polls of public opinion in the United States paint an equally horrifying picture (among people whose level of education and freedom from conflict should have produced a kinder outlook on life), let's entertain your statistics.

What about the majorities in each case who do not share those hateful opinions? What about, in the case of your first citation, the 80% of British Muslims who do not sympathize with the 7/7 bombers? Should they be denied tolerance?

and by the way "it's time to stop tolerating those who don't deserve tolerance" is literally a perfect definition of fascism.

you have earned your badge, sir.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 03:20 PM

Ah so you've shown by algebra that Muslims are nefarious! What's the next step?

So does this response suggest you consider statistics to be hateful?

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:21 PM

So does this response suggest you consider statistics to be hateful?

it was a question.

Lune

12-02-2015, 03:25 PM

Ah so you've shown by algebra that Muslims are nefarious! What's the next step?

Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism_in_the_Netherlands) who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies. (http://www.jhubc.it/ecpr-porto/virtualpaperroom/127.pdf)

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:27 PM

Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism_in_the_Netherlands) who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies. (http://www.jhubc.it/ecpr-porto/virtualpaperroom/127.pdf)

eh, if the last 300 years are any indication, America has the assimilation game pretty well mastered. despite the fact that those with racist and fascist impulses trot out these same fear-based arguments every single time.

There is no evidence that Muslim Americans represent a security threat. The majority of our terrorism is perpetrated by White Christians.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:29 PM

If you want to do your part, a good first step is to stop thinking about 1.2 billion people as a single unit. This fear-mongering helps nobody except extreme Muslim elements who want to portray Americans as being bent upon the destruction of Islam.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:31 PM

Here's some of that data you're so fond of

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?_r=0

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:35 PM

Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism_in_the_Netherlands) who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies. (http://www.jhubc.it/ecpr-porto/virtualpaperroom/127.pdf)

Also all of this is patently unconstitutional. Which in this case is pretty much a euphemism for fascist.

Lune

12-02-2015, 03:38 PM

eh, if the last 300 years are any indication, America has the assimilation game pretty well mastered. despite the fact that those with racist and fascist impulses trot out these same fear-based arguments every single time.

There is no evidence that Muslim Americans represent a security threat. The majority of our terrorism is perpetrated by White Christians.

It's a very different thing to integrate Irish, Italians, Germans, etc who are all very culturally similar.

We've still failed in many ways to integrate blacks, Chinese, and many other groups.

It's not about a threat to our security, but a threat to our culture. Making 15% of your country Muslim when over 50% of those Muslims support enacting Sharia law is problematic. You can see in that paper that, after immigration by Muslims, the Dutch experienced their first two political assassinations since the Enlightenment: Muslims killing Dutch artists and cartoonists for religious reasons.

If you want to do your part, a good first step is to stop thinking about 1.2 billion people as a single unit. This fear-mongering helps nobody except extreme Muslim elements who want to portray Americans as being bent upon the destruction of Islam.

I never did this. Islam spans many different cultures, but it does have some core values that tend to be preserved across cultural lines. They kill each other more than they kill us.

Here's some of that data you're so fond of

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?_r=0

You don't find the way they assemble their narrative disingenuous? They conveniently exclude 9/11. That's like me saying Smallpox isn't a dangerous virus because it has killed so few people since we cured it.

That said, I don't necessarily disagree. It's more about culture than the threat of terrorist violence.

Also all of this is patently unconstitutional. Which in this case is pretty much a euphemism for fascist.

You keep calling me fascist like I give a shit. I am a fascist. Not all fascism is national socialism, and it's an extreme left ideology as much as an extreme right one.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:40 PM

It's a very different thing to integrate Irish, Italians, Germans, etc who are all very culturally similar.

We've still failed in many ways to integrate blacks, Chinese, and many other groups.

It's not about a threat to our security, but a threat to our culture. Making 15% of your country Muslim when over 50% of those Muslims support enacting Sharia law is problematic. You can see in that article that, after immigration by Muslims, the Dutch experienced their first two political assassinations since the Enlightenment: Muslims killing Dutch artists and cartoonists for religious reasons.

I never did this. Islam spans many different cultures, but it does have some core values that tend to be preserved across cultural lines.

You don't find the way they assemble their narrative disingenuous? They conveniently exclude 9/11. That's like me saying Smallpox isn't a dangerous virus because it has killed so few people since we cured it.

That said, I don't necessarily disagree. It's more about culture than the threat of terrorist violence.

Do you differentiate yourself from the anti-immigrant ranters of the past? Or do you just think they were right?

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:44 PM

And furthermore Irish, German and Italian immigrants seem culturally similar to you now precisely due to assimilation. At the time the Irish were considered sub-human, rape-hungry, drunk simians by the WASP establishment. They did their best to keep them out, marshaling the same arguments you are marshaling.

In point of fact, America, as a traditionally Christian nation, has far more culture in common with Muslims, another people of the book, then they do with Chinese, Japanese, Hindus, Southeast Asians, etc.

Muslims are just available to you as a convenient other. You are deriving the same pleasure and sense of security from your bigotry as any bigot in the past. You are just experiencing it in the present tense.

But don't mistake me, the convictions that are animating these posts of yours give you a window onto all fascist impulses of the past. In a way you are getting to know what it was like to be a regular ol' German 30-something in 1933.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 03:47 PM

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:48 PM

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:52 PM

Rast the problem does not originate with people it originates with Islam. How much of the Koran have you read? The values espoused by that text are patently incompatible with Western ideals. Muslims are different from previous immigrant groups in that regard. And that is the reason for failed assimilation.

Lol how much of the bible have you read? The Torah? None of it is compatible with post-enlightenment Western ideals. There's not a bit of social democracy to be found in those texts. For much of the last millennium the Muslim world was more tolerant than the Western world. And we share a great deal of the blame for the radicalization that has occurred in the last half-century.

And, all that aside, you propose to deal with this by rounding them up and imposing cultural re-education regimens?

Thank god those who share your views are so politically disorganized, so driven by the least common denominator, that they have no hope of electing a president in the foreseeable future.

Lune

12-02-2015, 03:55 PM

And your skepticism about the NYT poll is laughable. First of all its inclusion would not have substantially altered the statistical results. Secondly it was a very long time ago and the world has changed dramatically since. Third of all it would have no relevant bearing as a predictor of the behavior of Muslim immigrants, which has been stellar compared to the behavior of other Americans.

Statistics are often the refuge of a simple mind. You have racist confirmation bias painted on every word you write.

Data is the refuge of the simple mind? Reliance on fact is the hallmark of science and reason.

I don't disagree that since 9/11 other forms of terrorism are more damaging than Muslim terrorism in the US, but my point isn't about terrorist violence, it's about culture.

Lol how much of the bible have you read? The Torah? None of it is compatible with post-enlightenment Western ideals. There's not a bit of social democracy to be found in those texts. For much of the last millennium the Muslim world was more tolerant than the Western world. And we share a great deal of the blame for the radicalization that has occurred in the last half-century.

And, all that aside, you propose to deal with this by rounding them up and imposing cultural re-education regimens?

Thank god those who share your views are so politically disorganized, so driven by the least common denominator, that they have no hope of electing a president in the foreseeable future.

You know it's funny, many of the things I'm suggesting as a way to deal with the integration of Muslims are similar to ways we've tried to integrate blacks in the United States. I don't hear you complaining about LBJ being fascist.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 03:56 PM

Lune

12-02-2015, 03:59 PM

This isn't some perfect allegory to the immigration of Irish and Italians into the US in the 1800's / early 1900's. If you think the Irish and Italian narrative mirrors the Muslim immigrant narrative, you're not capturing it accurately.

There are already massive Muslim minorities in European countries who are unequivocally failing to assimilate, and hundreds of thousands more are coming. I don't think 'Let them in, we're all the same, multiculturalism is good' is any more realistic or sensible a position than 'let's think of informed ways to handle a deeply religious immigrant population with extremely incompatible values''

You're right that the bible and Torah are also very incompatible with post-enlightenment Western ideals, but you can't seriously be claiming politics and religion are anywhere near as entwined among Westerners as they are among most Muslims. Sharia law, religious law, is the norm in most Muslim countries, and religious values dictate political values to a much greater extent among Muslims than they do in the West. In Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, and many parts of Indonesia, I'd be a criminal for being an atheist.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 04:00 PM

Data is the refuge of the simple mind? Reliance on fact is the hallmark of science and reason.

I don't disagree that since 9/11 other forms of terrorism are more damaging than Muslim terrorism in the US, but my point isn't about terrorist violence, it's about culture.

You know it's funny, many of the things I'm suggesting as a way to deal with the integration of Muslims are similar to ways we've tried to integrate blacks in the United States. I don't hear you complaining about LBJ being fascist.

Integrate blacks? Blacks have been here since day one.

But here I am giving you exactly what you want, and what you don't deserve. Go ye back to your echo chamber and ponder the sonorities of your dismal mind. I gotta get back to work.

Orruar

12-02-2015, 04:01 PM

In point of fact, America, as a traditionally Christian nation, has far more culture in common with Muslims, another people of the book, then they do with Chinese, Japanese, Hindus, Southeast Asians, etc.

And yet the Asians assimilate more successfully. The Asians don't fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up to kill non-believers, or kill people because of cartoons. Perhaps successful assimilation requires more than just a 3000 year old book in common.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 04:01 PM

This isn't some perfect allegory to the immigration of Irish and Italians into the US in the 1800's / early 1900's.

There are already massive Muslim minorities in European countries who are unequivocally failing to assimilate, and hundreds of thousands more are coming. I don't think 'Let them in, we're all the same, multiculturalism is good' is any more realistic or sensible a position than 'let's think of informed ways to handle a deeply religious immigrant population with extremely incompatible values''

You're right that the bible and Torah are also very incompatible with post-enlightenment Western ideals, but you can't seriously be claiming politics and religion are anywhere near as entwined among Westerners as they are among most Muslims. Sharia law, religious law, is the norm in most Muslim countries, and religious values dictate political values to a much greater extent among Muslims than they do in the West. In Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, and many parts of Indonesia, I'd be a criminal for being an atheist.

haha. Christian fundamentalists are the bane of our political process! We just had a bible thumper shoot up a planned parenthood.

GET OUT OF TOWN

- DROPS MIC -

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 04:03 PM

And yet the Asians assimilate more successfully. The Asians don't fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up to kill non-believers, or kill people because of cartoons. Perhaps successful assimilation requires more than just a 3000 year old book in common.

none of this is true. genocide is rampant in Asian history. And muslim americans are a statistically peaceful, productive part of American society.

Orruar

12-02-2015, 04:05 PM

In Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, and many parts of Indonesia, I'd be a criminal for being an atheist.

Not just a criminal. Saudi Arabia recently sentenced a man to death for apostasy. Fucking insane!

ronasch

12-02-2015, 04:06 PM

If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in. What you call an exchange of views is really just a bunch of bone heads trotting out their jingoism and xenophobia, indulging in peurile pleasure, and then donning a tone of moderation later on to feel better about themselves. This conversation is not virtuous. If you want to educate yourself read real news

oh oh, another pseudo-intellectual, can't wait to read his next post. We're so inferior o'wise one.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 04:06 PM

Not just a criminal. Saudi Arabia recently sentenced a man to death for apostasy. Fucking insane!

yeah, it's almost like if you were a reasonable person in those countries you'd want to do everything you could to get someplace with more freedom...

Lune

12-02-2015, 04:08 PM

none of this is true. genocide is rampant in Asian history. And muslim americans are a statistically peaceful, productive part of American society.

Genocide is rampant in our own history too, so what? We're talking about trends among minority groups.

And as far as Muslims, I'm mainly talking about Europe, where Muslim idiosyncrasies are more tolerated. For better or worse, the United States is simply too religious / intolerant for Muslim shenanigans like Sharia law, and to tell you the truth, we've done a better job integrating them than they have in Europe. We had far less of them to deal with, proportionately.

yeah, it's almost like if you were a reasonable person in those countries you'd want to do everything you could to get someplace with more freedom...

Except they are bringing those beliefs with them. They aren't coming for freedom, they are coming for economic and security reasons.

Sort of like how the Puritans escaped religious persecution in England... so they could go on to persecute in New England.

Rastignac

12-02-2015, 04:13 PM

As fun as this has been, I do really have to go. My prediction? Yall will be back to froth-mouthed racism in a few posts.

Have fun rounding up the darkies boys.

See you tomorrow in school!

Orruar

12-02-2015, 04:17 PM

3:01pm
- DROPS MIC -

3:03pm
none of this is true. genocide is rampant in Asian history. And muslim americans are a statistically peaceful, productive part of American society.

You can't drop the mic and then immediately post again.

Regardless, when did Asians perpetrate genocide upon the western countries in which they were integrating? Or did you completely lose track of the conversation?

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 04:18 PM

Lol how much of the bible have you read? The Torah?

All of them. You should too if you want to better understand their adherents. Some beliefs are in-malleable.

And we share a great deal of the blame for the radicalization that has occurred in the last half-century.

Islam was born by the sword and has ever lived by it. The barbarism we witness today did not evolve over the last half century

And, all that aside, you propose to deal with this by rounding them up and imposing cultural re-education regimens?

Reason demands that Islam be utterly purged from humanity. Civility stands aghast at reason.

Thank god those who share your views are so politically disorganized, so driven by the least common denominator, that they have no hope of electing a president in the foreseeable future.

You do not fully understand my views, but purport to know those who agree with me? They are few.

Orruar

12-02-2015, 04:28 PM

yeah, it's almost like if you were a reasonable person in those countries you'd want to do everything you could to get someplace with more freedom...

What you just said is equivalent to saying "Perhaps the jews should have left Germany in the early 1930s."

Yes, it is probably a good idea for an atheist to move out of a majority Muslim country. But that doesn't make the Muslim country any less terrible.

KagatobLuvsAnimu

12-02-2015, 04:35 PM

Yes, it is probably a good idea for an atheist to move out of a majority Muslim country. But that doesn't make the Muslim country any less terrible.

Makes it more carpet bombable though.

maskedmelon

12-02-2015, 05:20 PM

As fun as this has been, I do really have to go. My prediction? Yall will be back to froth-mouthed racism in a few posts.

Have fun rounding up the darkies boys.

See you tomorrow in school!

Stop yoking the behaviors and ideologies we are arguing against to ethnicities. It is shameful and disgusting. This is about ideas, not genetics asshole. The lack of pigment in your skin makes you and your ideas no better than anyone else's, so stop blanketing entire ethnic groups with your bigoted views.

Psionide

12-02-2015, 05:50 PM

Love how when a Muslim does an act of terrorism all the defenders are so quick to come to the defense with "Not all Muslims are like this, don't lump them all together etc etc etc" but when a Christian or a Jew does something its the typical DAMN JEWS or BIBLE THUMPING CHRISTIANS!

Also, lulz at using the NYT as a credible source of information. Its one of the most biased forms of journalism out there and its one of the reasons its subs have been plummeting and why they have to keep firing and hiring new people to try to stop the bleeding.

James_Joyce

12-02-2015, 07:14 PM

We ought to ship 'em all back to Africa, we ought to ship 'em all back to Africa.

We oughta ship 'em all back to Africa where they beloooong!

stormlord

12-03-2015, 01:45 AM

Well I'm not against arabs immigrating to Europe or anywhere. My family here in america are immigrants from scandinavia. My grandmother emigrated from Germany before Hitler rose to power. My great grandfather sailed to New York from Finland. He didn't even know english. He came here for adventure and work. I support anybody emigrating who'll be productive. That ultimately makes us stronger if it's not just a drain. I'm not even against illegals IF they're otherwise lawful and working or seeking work. Fact is, the US has probably 13 million illegals, 60% of them mexican. BUT many work using fabricated/abused SSN and papers. They're "documented." They're being taxed something on the order of 20+ billion every year. Big part of economy.

But it does seem to be some common things happening now:
1) genders are the same
2) cultures are the same
3) people are the same
etc....

There's the idea everything is the same. Everybody is the same. I don't agree with it.

Goddamnit I'm a male and I'm not the same as a female. I'm an AMERICAN, not a European or a Chinese. I think part of standing up for what we're is believing we're different and for good cause. I think one of the things occurring now is the erosion of distinctions. Partly it's the belief peace can't exist with difference. We're trying to force this on ourselves.

It's the same mentality which is everyone is a winner if they participate! And if they don't, they get slapped on the wrist. It's an extreme desire for peace and calm. For maybe evne pacifism. I think ti's authoritarian.

Pokesan

12-03-2015, 01:56 AM

Well I'm not against arabs immigrating to Europe or anywhere. My family here in america are immigrants from scandinavia. My grandmother emigrated from Germany before Hitler led the country. My great grandfather sailed to New York from Finland. He didn't even know english. He came here for adventure and work. I support anybody emigrating who'll find work and be productive. We need open borders with some reasonable vetting. I'm not even against illegals IF they're otherwise lawful. Fact is, the US has probably 13 million illegals, 60% of them mexican. BUT many work using fabricated/abused SSN and papers. They're being taxed something on the order of 20+ billion every year. They're a major part of the economy. They're "documented" workers, essentially.

But it does seem to be some common things happening now:
1) hate your gender; all genders are the same
2) hate your culture; all cultures are the same
3) hate yourself; all people are teh same
etc....

Ther's the idea everything is the same. Everybody is the same. You can't really stand up for anyting.

your post is the same as a bad post

stormlord

12-03-2015, 02:19 AM

your post is the same as a bad post
Well you're right. I dont really know what I"m trying to say. I do agree with you.

It's a mix of "I support arabs immigrating into Europe" and "You should still stand up for yourselves." Meaning let people come in. It's healthy. But don't let your brains fall out when you're doing it. Follow common sense.

I'm not a liberal. I don't think we're all the same. Differences--real ones--exist.

Pokesan

12-03-2015, 02:20 AM

Well you're right. I dont really know what I"m trying to say.

It's a mix of "I support arabs immigrating into Europe" and "You should still stand up for yourselves." Meaning let people come in. It's healthy. But don't let your brains fall out when you're doing it.

cucked

Lune

12-03-2015, 02:24 AM

your post is the same as a bad post

cucked

Low effort background noise shitposting

Pokesan

12-03-2015, 02:32 AM

Low effort background noise shitposting

http://i.imgur.com/SPP3pih.jpg

You were saying?

stormlord

12-03-2015, 03:01 AM

We're in agreement. My post sucked. And my reply to Pokesan's reply sucked as well.

James_Joyce

12-03-2015, 03:02 AM

That's okay man, the important thing is to get back on the horse and keep trying many times per day.

Pokesan

12-03-2015, 03:07 AM

who gives a fuck what I, or anyone, thinks

just post :)

stormlord

12-03-2015, 03:08 AM

That's okay man, the important thing is to get back on the horse and keep trying many times per day.
Thanks.

Watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tssf7U1bWaM

Nobody is against immigrants of good character--I hope. I'm not. Almost all of them are good people.

Like I said my grandpa didn't know english. He sailed here and got jobs. Illegals not much different. A guy living next to me is from down there. He has a family. I have every reason to respect him. I've worked alongside mexican immigrants. I probably at one time or another worked with someone who had a stolen or otherwise fake number. But he worked as hard as anyone.