Monk, how do you not choose iksar?

[Beinen]

I saw some people arguing in OOC and told them to take it to the forums. Here you go.

Exp penalty, 1 extra delay on fists, and depending on how you feel about it, the tail is a positive or a negative.

[Colgate]

u basically have to either be a newbie, retard, or roleplayer to make a human monk

there is no argument for it

[Troxx]

Iksar is the undeniable min/max choice, and it's true they hold every advantage once the monk hits 60. They have more ac. They have more regen. They have worse bare fist ratio ... but nobody ever uses bare fists so it doesn't matter.

Knowing all that ... I still made a human monk. Why a human monk?

-Looks better (subjective, but /shrug)
-I like it better
-levels 20% faster

Most of all? I did it because I wanted a human monk - everyone and their mother plays an iksar monk.

[Pik]

/thread

[ctre]

/thread

And don't forget.
The Epic human monk Epic dps is slightly higher than the Iksar epic dps.

[jolanar]

And don't forget.
The Epic human monk Epic dps is slightly higher than the Iksar epic dps.

wut

[Pipip]

The only thing I regret about my iksar monk is that I wasn't able to do the sash and headband quests. Of course, you can just buy them. Or get a group together and kill Brother Qwinn, skipping the sash and headband quests altogether.

Come to think of it, I have no regrets rolling iksar.

[Korain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVNeKx7VkgU

[Raev]

Most of all? I did it because I wanted a human monk - everyone and their mother plays an iksar monk.

The funny thing, though, is that there are a lot of human monks around. At *least* 1/3. Maybe even 40%. The monk class is so overpowered that even with a weak race it's quite good.

[Sallan]

Most of all? I did it because I wanted a human monk

This. For me at least it's to re-live the nostalgia of my char back in '99. I've always played a human monk with the same name (even during the TLP servers)

[Beinen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVNeKx7VkgU

That settles it

[Qtip]

Human monk looks alot better, but its like picking a gnome warrior over a troll/ogre warrior. Just dumb. When your dragging corpses after your group wipes you will miss that innate regen from iksar while fd flopping yourself through a dungeon.
Also I think iksar has a ac bonus over monk.

[arsenalpow]

Well there was no option prior to Kunark. Also tail=fail, everyone knows that.

[maskedmelon]

Iksar are fricken' gross too, so there's that ^^

[Thiefboy777]

Because Iksar racials are ridiculously OP and some people don't want easy mode.

[Valura]

Female human monks are smexy. I want to see one in a Shroud of Longevity.

[titanshub]

I can't believe all these smoothskin lies. Tails are awesome and have great, next generation, animations.

Also regen is pretty damn good at 56 but I didn't even notice it until like 50 or 51. It's obviously OP now though.

[Atada]

... but nobody ever uses bare fists so it doesn't matter.

We do though. Ask any epic monk.

Human monks exist mostly from:
Pre Kunark, want to level faster or want to use good towns.

[touchtonedialing]

Female human monks are smexy. I want to see one in a Shroud of Longevity.

This week or next most likely. Then Shrouds are going to start to rot.

[Jimjam]

Human female monks are the best because you can make nun jokes. I guess.

[jolanar]

Human female monks are the best because you can make nun jokes. I guess.

Human females look the best in robe graphics IMO. Human males look stupid in robes. Iksars look decent.

But that's all just opinion.

[Vexenu]

There is no defensible argument for Humans except that of personal taste (cosmetic). Iksars are superior in every way statistically. The human superior ratio fists are a joke, as epic makes Human and Iksar fists 9/16, and even Kunark weapons (much less Velious) blow away non-epic fists.

Iksars should have been better balanced to account for their strengths. For example, imagine if Iksars had a STR or STA hard cap of 200, or slightly lower weapon skill caps than humans. You could balance Iksar Necromancers the same, with a 200 INT hard cap. The choice would then at least be more debatable.

[Atada]

24% exp penalty is no joke. That's a pretty hefty balance.

[Man0warr]

But irrelevant at 60. For a min/maxer that isn't a valid penalty.

[Sage Truthbearer]

A lot of people started their Monks before Kunark when Iksar wasn't even an option. Other people just think Humans look better, and that matters to them more in how they enjoy their EQ hobby than being more powerful.

[jolanar]

There is no defensible argument for Humans except that of personal taste (cosmetic). Iksars are superior in every way statistically. The human superior ratio fists are a joke, as epic makes Human and Iksar fists 9/16, and even Kunark weapons (much less Velious) blow away non-epic fists.

Iksars should have been better balanced to account for their strengths. For example, imagine if Iksars had a STR or STA hard cap of 200, or slightly lower weapon skill caps than humans. You could balance Iksar Necromancers the same, with a 200 INT hard cap. The choice would then at least be more debatable.

People actually cared about faction in Classic and Kunark though. Being KoS everywhere except Cabilis was a much bigger deal then. There was a lot less information around at the time and it was harder to get what info was available because it was all word of mouth. So things like invis banking etc was unknown.

Given today's 20/20 hindsight, it's pretty clear that Iksar's racials are OP for Necros and Monks.

[Colgate]

faction doesn't work here like it did on live; you can become ally with all of those as an iksar, whereas i don't think it was possible to raise your faction above a certain point with many places

[trist4n]

Honestly, I just enjoy the human monk over the Iksar monk. It's not a great argument, but I love my human monk.

[fiveeauxfour]

Well there was no option prior to Kunark. Also tail=fail, everyone knows that.

chest is right

/vomit

[chiefrocka]

I know a few human monk players who play a human because it's what they played on Live. Yeah, they miss out on a few things. I chose Iksar myself because Iksar.

[Nixtar]

Iksar has some advantages over human monks but won't affect you nearly as much as choosing iksar or non-iksar when rolling necromancer. The extra ac and hp regen helps but that's it.

[eisley]

A lot of people don't know you can FD/hide to use a KoS banker, or use sneak to be indifferent to use any vendor

[nyclin]

And don't forget.
The Epic human monk Epic dps is slightly higher than the Iksar epic dps.

epic fists set your hands to 9/16, there's no difference for iksar

[ctre]

epic fists set your hands to 9/16, there's no difference for iksar

No.. You are wrong.

Go look again.

Epic non iksar monk damage/delay ratio is a different ratio

[Sajan]

epic fists set your hands to 9/16, there's no difference for iksar

This is correct. No clue what that guy is reading.

[Man0warr]

Pretty sure that's only non-epic where Humans have a better ratio.

[Colgate]

both races get 9/16 ratio with epic

[JurisDictum]

Many high-end monks made their characters before Kunark. Other than that, there is no power gaming reason to pick human. To me, it seems weird to put Sleeper's Tomb robes on human monks....when Kunark was out for 4+ years. But I understand people get sentimental about their characters.

There's a couple posts about Human monks being less common....not really bro. Human and Iksar monks are equally common at level 60.

[Kender]

There is absolutely no doubt at all in any form that Iksar make the better monk from a min/max point of view

That said, I'm probably going to make a human monk

[jolanar]

Another reason is you can barely notice the hp regen until you are 51+ where the difference skyrockets. Most people won't be willing to reroll at that point.

[slappytwotoes]

No.. You are wrong.

Go look again.

Epic non iksar monk damage/delay ratio is a different ratio

No sir, you are wrong. Its 9/16 for both races. Damage parses prove

[Thiefboy777]

Reasons to not be Iksar:

Limp wristed main hand punch animation.

Ridiculous 2hb blunt poke animation.