Paris attack thread

[Big_Japan]

http://i.imgur.com/8X7xJaz.jpg

I won't be using this tragedy for laughs or cheap political points. The importance of borders, not exceeding a nation's capacity to assimilate immigrants (rather than allowing the entry of piecemeal enclaves of hostile foreign culture), and TRUMP 2016 are all quite obvious now and require no elaboration.

A source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter)

Heard a rumor Eagles of Death Metal were performing at the hostage theatre and Josh Homme is a hostage. More important that I be the maker of this thread than that I fact check at this time.

[PlatLordlolz]

someone called me about this earlier, i hadnt heard about it before then. they were saying some secretary announced after the attacks that they are going to allow prior service members who were cut from the military to re enlist. i havent been able to find anything about that, does anyone have a source for that information?

[AzzarTheGod]

Mass unregulated immigration = 3rd world cultural clashes, 3rd world hellhole.

You don't have enough government police to babysit these "citizens". The Trump movement is real.

This ain't Newtown anymore. Stop mass refugee immigration programs now.

[iruinedyourday]

rofl so let me get this straight:

85-100 thousand deaths a year in the US to gun violence and you want to do nothing.

40 dead in Paris and you want to build a wall around america, kick out immigrants and elect a president who has no experience dealing with these situations.

awesome you totally deserve the right to post your feelings on the internet.

[Champion_Standing]

rofl so let me get this straight:

85-100 thousand deaths a year in the US to gun violence and you want to do nothing.

40 dead in Paris and you want to build a wall around america, kick out immigrants and elect a president who has no experience dealing with these situations.

awesome you totally deserve the right to post your feelings on the internet.

100,000 deaths a year to gun violence? Where the hell do you get these numbers lol

[Raev]

Europe is fucked. The Muslims have no intention of assimilating into Western liberal democracy and every intention of finally conquering Europe after 1000 years of failure. This is only the beginning. There will be genocide. I don't know who will win, but it will be bloody.

However, that doesn't apply to Latinos in the USA. The statistics there are MUCH better: Hispanics substantially intermarry with the native population and by the third generation they converge at similar political views, similar crime statistics, and about 80% of the income of US whites (pretty much exactly what IQ would predict). http://davidsevera.tumblr.com/post/130220421479/an-imagined-dialog-on-immigration-between-two has some great facts. Especially if the prevailing multicultural idiocy ever dies down, Hispanics will do just fine.

Our problems in the US center around our corrupt elites who are busy selling the country to Wall Street banksters.

[AzzarTheGod]

100,000 deaths a year to gun violence? Where the hell do you get these numbers lol

Also even if there was 100k deaths a year,

He can't support the claim that those deaths were not justifiable homicide, or targeted violence. A guy arguing with a guy over drugs, kills him. Oh well I don't give a shit really, a violent argument I had nothing to do with, its not my business I don't live that life.

A terrorist mass scale attack affects ME and MINE. My friends, good people, good citizens. Get it? maybe you can't understand that iruinedyourday.

I am wholely unimpressed by "gun death" statistics.

Qualify your "deaths" for starters, prove that it was senseless and random violence, and then get back to me.

Chop chop.

[iruinedyourday]

updated for 2015 400k per day

[iruinedyourday]

Also even if there was 100k deaths a year,

He can't support the claim that those deaths were not justifiable homicide, or targeted violence. A guy arguing with a guy over drugs, kills him. Oh well I don't give a shit really, a violent argument I had nothing to do with, its not my business I don't live that life.

A terrorist mass scale attack affects ME and MINE. My friends, good people, good citizens. Get it? maybe you can't understand that iruinedyourday.

I am wholely unimpressed by "gun death" statistics.

Qualify your "deaths" for starters, prove that it was senseless and random violence, and then get back to me.

Chop chop.

the truth is you are DRASTICALLY more in danger of random gun violence than you are terrorism no mater WHAT you say or think.

https://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/terrorism.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

updated for 2015 400k per day

Can you qualify any of them as random acts of terror against random people? How many of that number were law abiding citizens living a good life, staying out of trouble?

So yeah, still not impressed.

the truth is you are DRASTICALLY more in danger of random gun violence than you are terrorism no mater WHAT you say or think.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

Ill take it into consideration.

[Swish]

There's a lot of homeless people on our streets here, but why help them when you can spend way more helping 20,000 migrants.

They're mostly not refugees, they're men looking for work or welfare money to send home.

[Rec]

France needs a trump wall

[iruinedyourday]

There's a lot of homeless people on our streets here, but why help them when you can spend way more helping 20,000 migrants.

They're mostly not refugees, they're men looking for work or welfare money to send home.

why help either one? Why not just kill them all?

I love how every terrible incident just gets you fucks all posting about how shitty you want to treat other people.

[Lojik]

why help either one? Why not just kill them all?

swarmkiting was nerfed

[AzzarTheGod]

why help either one? Why not just kill them all?

I love how every terrible incident just gets you fucks all posting about how shitty you want to treat other people.

Why did the French President executive order the closing of the border then?

The border is suddenly important in liberal migrant France, hmm what happened? Can you email him and explain that it is not important and border security is not necessary, ever, so we don't need a real border. I am sure he would appreciate the help making his way through this mass terror attack at 7 different locations.

#BorderSecurityMatters 2016 France.

[Slathar]

all of this is a response to years of US led military violence that has destabilized the entire middle east. seems like the chickens are coming home to roost.

we destroyed nations. the people of those nations have nothing left so they're leaving. they are bringing their political and religious ideologies with them for better, or obviously and tragically in this case, worse.

whats the solution?

stop state sponsored, generational terrorism on behalf of the US and other western powers.

[Slathar]

borders mean nothing at this point. open them and embrace global capitalism. free trade for all in its most pure form.

[Lune]

Our ancestors fought a losing war against Muslims for over a thousand years, precisely so shit like this would not happen. Islam is a religion of conquest, it always has been. 'Moderate', 'Peaceful' Muslims in the West are simply those who are too disenfranchised to enforce Sharia law and shove their rotten culture down our throats. Islamic cultures are fundamentally toxic.

It's time to stop tolerating people who do not deserve to be tolerated.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.


Terrorism ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/)

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html)

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable". (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml)

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). (http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). (http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/)

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified (http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely)

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/)

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

[Viscian]

Here is my theory. /tinfoil hat on.

I truly believe there is people within our government ranks and higher offices with the goal of slowly destroying the American way of life. Think about this. No one has the ability to cross the ocean and conquer us. So how would they be able to destroy us???

This is how you do it.

You start by changing the social norms and how society thinks. Look at what was acceptable television in the 70's, 80's and mid 90's. Now it's like watching porn on local prime television. The Pledge of Allegiance isn't said in schools. Kids today are self-entitled and expect to have everything given to them. Kids get awards in school for not striving to be better. Hey kid. You get a trophy so you do feel left out even though you finished last.

What is being taught in school has changed throughout the generations. History is slowly changing, people no longer research facts in books but rather whatever pops up on the internet.

Then we have people with the retarded idea that if we make guns illegal it will save lives. NO IT WON'T!! It will keep guns out of law abiding citizens hands. Criminals are labeled as such due to them not following the Laws we have now. You retards think they will obey a Gun law and start robbing and committing crimes with their hands???

With all that. I believe there is people in power slowly changing America from within with each generation.

[Slathar]

Here is my theory. /tinfoil hat on.

I truly believe there is people within our government ranks and higher offices with the goal of slowly destroying the American way of life. Think about this. No one has the ability to cross the ocean and conquer us. So how would they be able to destroy us???

This is how you do it.

You start by changing the social norms and how society thinks. Look at what was acceptable television in the 70's, 80's and mid 90's. Now it's like watching porn on local prime television. The Pledge of Allegiance isn't said in schools. Kids today are self-entitled and expect to have everything given to them. Kids get awards in school for not striving to be better. Hey kid. You get a trophy so you do feel left out even though you finished last.

What is being taught in school has changed throughout the generations. History is slowly changing, people no longer research facts in books but rather whatever pops up on the internet.

Then we have people with the retarded idea that if we make guns illegal it will save lives. NO IT WON'T!! It will keep guns out of law abiding citizens hands. Criminals are labeled as such due to them not following the Laws we have now. You retards think they will obey a Gun law and start robbing and committing crimes with their hands???

With all that. I believe there is people in power slowly changing America from within with each generation.

the pledge of allegiance is jingoistic indoctrination. the national anthem is too.

im guessing youre not very smart, christian, and monolingual.

[Aviann]

The other day iruinedyourday said he wanted to 'shoot' down a helicopter. I almost told him that shit is illegal, but I figured that wouldn't stop him anyway... Irony?

[Slathar]

hundreds of thousands of middle eastern people murdered and it isnt news. white people die and its news.

im not excusing either. both are murder. the scale is different, like the media coverage theyre receiving.

[Viscian]

Our ancestors fought a losing war against Muslims for over a thousand years, precisely so shit like this would not happen. Islam is a religion of conquest, it always has been. 'Moderate', 'Peaceful' Muslims in the West are simply those who are too disenfranchised to enforce Sharia law and shove their rotten culture down our throats. Islamic cultures are toxic.

It's time to stop tolerating people who do not deserve to be tolerated.




Terrorism ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/)

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html)

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable". (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml)

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). (http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). (http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/)

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified (http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely)

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/)

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

I don't believe they are. This is my take on Islam.

Islam is not a religion of peace. No other religion does it say in whatever bible you read to behead non-believers as they are infidels and the only way to Allah is through his messenger Mohammad.

Yes, other religions have had corrupt people manipulate the bible for their own personal gains and agenda. But NOWHERE does it say to behead non-believers.

The best analogy that fits for me in Islam is this.

Practicing Catholics are the ones that go to Mass weekly, observe each holy day of obligation and pay dues to the church. If they don't do all this.. They are still a Catholic but not a Practicing Catholic.

Practicing Muslims are the people being label as terrorist. They are just practicing there religion. There bible says to kill infidels.. The other Muslims are not peaceful. They just aren't practicing their religion.

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/npqc5VD.png

[bubur]

i love islam <3

using this to characterize muslim culture as a whole would b as rash as judging us p99'ers by the macequest we have committed

well i guess i see ur point actually, carry on

I don't believe they are. This is my take on Islam.

Islam is not a religion of peace. No other religion does it say in whatever bible you read to behead non-believers as they are infidels and the only way to Allah is through his messenger Mohammad.

o thats weird, i must have missed that surah.. if thats tru ive got some major work to do to catch up on pleasing my unrelenting tyrant godking so i can get all the underaged virgins, namean? brb!

[Jarnauga]

it must be really convenient to live in your world. Muslisms = terrorists, mexicans = rapists, jews = controls the world..

You guys are fucking morons.

[iruinedyourday]

it must be really convenient to live in your world. Muslisms = terrorists, mexicans = rapists, jews = controls the world..

You guys are fucking morons.

http://i.imgur.com/bkqX5tj.gif

[Barkingturtle]

hundreds of thousands of middle eastern people murdered and it isnt news.

I bet they're all like "Fucking told you so, Ahmed. This is the inevitable result of multiculturalism. We should build a big fucking wall around the caliphate."


Seriously though, it's sounding like the scene inside the Bataclan theater where Eagles of Death Metal were playing is very bad. Reading reports of at least a hundred killed at that site alone. Shooters were apparently not making any demands or ordering the patrons around, instead they simply walked the aisles and killed indiscriminately.

[AzzarTheGod]

Seriously though, it's sounding like the scene inside the Bataclan theater where Eagles of Death Metal were playing is very bad. Reading reports of at least a hundred killed at that site alone. Shooters were apparently not making any demands or ordering the patrons around, instead they simply walked the aisles and killed indiscriminately.

Also multiple grenade fatalities. Guns confirmed Kalishnikov variation of the AK-47 being used.

The scene is said to be horrific at the Bataclan. They were just tossing grenades at large huddled groups of people and running and gunning people down.

Many escaped while they reloaded, but they had good control of a few exits. Really terrible details coming from the eye witness accounts.

[bubur]

it must be really convenient to live in your world. Muslisms = terrorists, mexicans = rapists, jews = controls the world..

You guys are fucking morons.

im not sure what u mean. i think its great when someone comes along and reveals to me something about the major text of my religion that i just plainly missed!

i love learning

[Lune]

it must be really convenient to live in your world. Muslisms = terrorists, mexicans = rapists, jews = controls the world..

You guys are fucking morons.

Not quite as convenient as a world where certain cultures aren't more conducive to certain behaviors, in empirically observable patterns, and we get to conveniently ignore the consequences of rapidly saturating a nation with a foreign culture with no regard for whether they are even going to assimilate and what the effects will be.

Keep rejecting objective facts when they disagree with your worldview, though.

Are all Muslims terrorists? No. Are Islamic cultures more conducive to religious extremism? Undeniable yes.

Shouldn't these facts affect policy decisions?

[bubur]

i'll level with u that there are some violent muslims, but you could just as easily and arbitrarily link this to poor per-capita lifestyle as you could religion

plus ur ignoring all of the non-religious violence that occurs in ur country. i know u said u dont care because drug-dealers, etc... but isnt that rejecting something that don't jive with ur world view?

[AzzarTheGod]

Large groups of Unmarked special forces/private contractors "deployed" to the Bataclan and surrounding streets. No confirmation on identities.

No uniforms, ear pieces on all of them, and plain clothing holding heavier spec ops military carbines.

They aren't speaking to the press, no word on if they are intelligence contractors or official military operatives and what purpose plain clothes operators serve during a state of emergency.

Tactical play perhaps, but when fighting military combatants the Convention says you are supposed to wear a uniform. Leaning towards contractors but I am not French so I can't speculate more.

Wielding FN P 90 carbines

Update: Presidental security, clearing for the Presidents immediate impending visit to the Bataclan and address to the nation.

[Lune]

i'll level with u that there are some violent muslims, but you could just as easily and arbitrarily link this to poor per-capita lifestyle as you could religion

plus ur ignoring all of the non-religious violence that occurs in ur country. i know u said u dont care because drug-dealers, etc... but isnt that rejecting something that don't jive with ur world view?

You can't easily and arbitrarily link this to poverty, because there are plenty of cultures that have had to deal with poverty, racism, war, etc and end up doing just fine. Chinese, Vietnamese, Hmong, Korean, Japanese diaspora worldwide are some examples. These are not racial differences, but cultural ones.

Rejecting a fact is different than rejecting an analysis. I acknowledge many people are killed by gun violence domestically. I reject that this somehow invalidates outrage toward terrorism. People like Jar outright reject the fundamental observable attributes of Islamic cultures and the ways they interface with their host nations.

[AzzarTheGod]

French President's address from the beginning of attack

Full translation: https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/665332244895035393/photo/1

Bataclan address in 1 hr or less. should be live on TV.

[bubur]

You can't easily and arbitrarily link this to poverty, because there are plenty of cultures that have had to deal with poverty, racism, war, etc and end up doing just fine. Chinese, Vietnamese, Hmong, Korean, Japanese diaspora worldwide are some examples. These are not racial differences, but cultural ones.

Rejecting a fact is different than rejecting an analysis. I acknowledge many people are killed by gun violence domestically. I reject that this somehow invalidates outrage toward terrorism. People like Jar outright reject the fundamental observable attributes of Islamic cultures and the ways they interface with their host nations.

im not convinced u know anything bout these countries who are doing 'just fine' by u, nor anything about the fundamentals of Islamic cultures(sic - its plural and believe it or not there are differences) beyond extremist terrorists which, of course, are most readily 'observable' because normal well-adapted muslims dont go and talk about their normal lives

i like u, so lets be civil. just sayin these paragraphs dont hold any water. lot of words, whole lotta air

[Brontus]

the pledge of allegiance is jingoistic indoctrination. the national anthem is too.

im guessing youre not very smart, christian, and monolingual.

Someone who can't can't capitalize sentences and use proper punctuation has no business telling other people that they are "not very smart".

Sounds like you don't like America very much.

[Slathar]

Someone who can't can't capitalize sentences and use proper punctuation has no business telling other people that they are "not very smart".

Sounds like you don't like America very much.

nerve struck. youre not very smart.

[Lune]

im not convinced u know anything bout these countries who are doing 'just fine' by u, nor anything about the fundamentals of Islamic cultures(sic - its plural and believe it or not there are differences) beyond extremist terrorists which, of course, are most readily 'observable' because normal well-adapted muslims dont go and talk about their normal lives

i like u, so lets be civil. just sayin these paragraphs dont hold any water. lot of words, whole lotta air

If you want to explore how 'normal, moderate Muslims' feel about these kinds of issues, you should consult the statistics I posted.

The fundamental issue here is whether you believe in cultural relativism or not. Does every set of behaviors and beliefs have just as much merit as any other? Are they all equally competent at running a stable state? Can radically different cultures coexist peacefully in a single state?

I think the answers to these questions are fairly clear. However, educating anything other than the cultural relativist dogma, even at the post-secondary level, is somehow thoughtcrime. It's ridiculous.

[iruinedyourday]

It's funny to me how Luna and the rest of the racists in off-topic are quicker conclude what caused this then a liberal single white female is to blame a cop for teen murder.

[Lune]

Luna and the rest of the racists

That you distill racism from what I've said just shows how profoundly simple you are. Nothing I've discussed has anything to do with race. You're completely incapable of functioning outside of the reddit hugbox echochamber where you only need to consider the facts that are comfortable to you. I introduce a new perspective you clearly don't even really understand and the only way you can respond is "RACIST!". Sad.

Also, it's abundantly clear "what caused this". The fact that it's clear should tell you something.

[iruinedyourday]

See it doesn't fucking matter. All fucking people like you do is say wait no let's hear what the cops have to say let's see what happened in court but then when it comes to fucking Muslim or any fucking nonwhite anything you're fucking immediately on the Internet posting blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Lulu and blah blah blah racist bullshit fuck your fucking face you fucking racist fuck

[Lojik]

You're talking about a guy who literally couldn't even bother to read the title of graphs before he starting spewing nonsense about them...what did you expect?

[Barkingturtle]

"Thoughtcrime?"

Seriously, dude? I mean, there's simply no such fucking thing in our advanced, superior culture. No one is going to prison for thoughtcrime. If they were, though, I bet they'd be converting to Islam.

But honestly, I don't imagine the French are going to start evicting Muslims or gassing them or whatever it is people think they should do. I mean, they're proud of their global reputation, and a city doesn't become recognized as a cultural mecca by embracing xenophobia.

[Champion_Standing]

See it doesn't fucking matter. All fucking people like you do is say wait no let's hear what the cops have to say let's see what happened in court but then when it comes to fucking Muslim or any fucking nonwhite anything you're fucking immediately on the Internet posting blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Lulu and blah blah blah racist bullshit fuck your fucking face you fucking racist fuck

Islam isn't a race

[iruinedyourday]

Islam isn't a race

Worf is in a very good character 😬

[Patriam1066]

I use the Quran as toilet paper

[Lune]

"Thoughtcrime?"

Seriously, dude? I mean, there's simply no such fucking thing in our advanced, superior culture. No one is going to prison for thoughtcrime. If they were, though, I bet they'd be converting to Islam.

But honestly, I don't imagine the French are going to start evicting Muslims or gassing them or whatever it is people think they should do. I mean, they're proud of their global reputation, and a city doesn't become recognized as a cultural mecca by embracing xenophobia.

It's not a dichotomy between multiculturalism and violent fascism. It's not like because I'm not a cultural relativist I don't respect that they are human beings who simply have different beliefs than me. It's one thing to allow immigration into your country with the firm expectation that they endeavor to become French. It's another to abolish your borders and allow millions of foreigners to enter your country and establish totally un-managed, segregated, parallel societies full of people who, instead of changing to adapt to their new host culture, support things like Sharia law. And it's not a simple issue. Part of what maintains the gulf between the immigrant community and the native French is racism and bigotry, so you get stuff like this in an attempt to make people colorblind and ease integration, even though cultural incompatibility (think fundamentalist Muslim vs. Atheist) creates a much larger gulf between two individuals than race ever could:

http://i.imgur.com/CKmATBZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5JxmyuL.jpg

But then you also have a culture that isn't particularly amenable to assimilation. So it's tough. However, multiculturalism is something that makes approaching the challenges posed by this situation completely impossible.

[iruinedyourday]

hey u heard it from lune first, he plays everquest alone on a friday night but knows how to run a European country. gimi a break quit posting already.

[Lune]

hey u heard it from lune first, he plays everquest alone on a friday night but knows how to run a European country. gimi a break quit posting already.

When have I ever offered any pretense that I'm anything other than a reclusive basement dweller? lol

I literally wrote a poem about Everquest earlier today

But by all means, try to silence casual discussion simply because you disagree with it, because that's not a hallmark of a terrible person or anything.

[iruinedyourday]

your casual discussion is about blaming and pointing fingers at genrealities and offering no positive solutions its fucking gross and you should be ashamed.

and i feel bad ur just a guy who likes the same games but cut the shit with the blaming large swaths of people with your self perceived analytical bigotry

[Lune]

your casual discussion is about blaming and pointing fingers at genrealities and offering no positive solutions its fucking gross and you should be ashamed.

Solution #1. Change the acceptance of multiculturalism that has developed since the end of WWII. Not all cultures deserve our respect or tolerance, not all cultures are equally advanced when it comes to running a stable, progressive society. Say nono to racism. This will guide a more reasonable immigration policy in the future, leading to:

#2. Very selective, low-volume immigration laws that are actually enforced. No more businesses importing hordes of low-skill low-wage labor and then passing off the social costs onto the government and the public. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

#3. Adopt post-scarcity basic-income fascist liberal republic. Stop worshiping the dollar, start pursuing self-improvement and the advancement of the human race as a brotherhood of mankind, with policy guided by science and objective thought.

http://i.imgur.com/6wk0yON.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/E6fjBCy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gRJeKg5.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

or shut the fuck up and start post something about dark elevs and stop trying to spam this fucking fucked up shit on a fucking video game forum jesus christ you fucking shutin do you ever ask yourself WHY you are a basement dwelling loaner?

god i feel bad again, just look stop posting fucked up shit your opinions are bad and wrong and you should keep them to yourself and the shower.

[Lojik]

Are you talking to Lune or yourself?

[Lune]

or shut the fuck up and start post something about dark elevs and stop trying to spam this fucking fucked up shit on a fucking video game forum jesus christ you fucking shutin do you ever ask yourself WHY you are a basement dwelling loaner?

god i feel bad again, just look stop posting fucked up shit your opinions are bad and wrong and you should keep them to yourself and the shower.

Which of us is more invested in spamming this shit though?

http://i.imgur.com/pdjNME4.jpg

[billhollins]

rofl so let me get this straight:

85-100 thousand deaths a year in the US to gun violence and you want to do nothing.

40 dead in Paris and you want to build a wall around america, kick out immigrants and elect a president who has no experience dealing with these situations.

awesome you totally deserve the right to post your feelings on the internet.

Amazing post lol

[Barkingturtle]

Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without ... dramatically altering the host culture.


The end bit there is the part that isn't logical.

We've been fighting for a thousand years, right? Don't you think that if we were going to impose global hegemony we'd have already accomplished it? I mean, we couldn't even wipe out every last pocket of the native culture here on our home continent -- how you gonna do so worldwide? Just kinda seems like a lot of masturbation.

I think it's more logical to assume all sides will need to make concessions before we can ever obtain Roddenberry's utopia. It's a beautiful thought, though. On the Enterprise, no one sees color. No one even knows Jordy is black. Not even Jordy.

[billhollins]

When have I ever offered any pretense that I'm anything other than a reclusive basement dweller? lol

I literally wrote a poem about Everquest earlier today

But by all means, try to silence casual discussion simply because you disagree with it, because that's not a hallmark of a terrible person or anything.

Can we hear the poem?

[Slathar]

so many crazy people in this thread.

[Barkingturtle]

so many crazy people in this thread.

Reported for thoughtcrimes.

[Big_Japan]

#who_let_them_in

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

it was inevitable...

I'm referring to Iruinedmypantz's immediate jump to "muh gunz" and "factz = raycess".








Also Europe's terrible immigration policy leading to this.

[Orruar]

You're talking about a guy who literally couldn't even bother to read the title of graphs before he starting spewing nonsense about them...what did you expect?

lol, I've destroyed iruinedyourday so many times that I forgot about that episode. And holy shit I'm glad the hilarity of that moment wasn't limited to myself.

[Orruar]

Didn't ISIS directly come out and say they were sending people into Europe with the refugees to eventually wreak havoc? This isn't really a surprise and it's only the first of many. The next few years is likely to see a lot of bloodshed in Europe. WW3 has likely already started, but we don't recognize it yet.

[MrSparkle001]

So there's already a good chance Putin will bomb the shit out of ISIS, and now France suffered their worst ever terrorist attack.

When is all this "no boots on the ground" nonsense gonna be set aside so we can go in there and blast these evil people to oblivion? I mean Al Qaeda was bad enough but ISIS is making them look like tame.

[Bruno]

Someone needs to contact the powers that be and let them know all of the answers they're looking for are right here on a 17 year old elf sim forum. Who's up for the task?

[Raev]

lol, I've destroyed iruinedyourday so many times that I forgot about that episode. And holy shit I'm glad the hilarity of that moment wasn't limited to myself.

the problem is IRYD hasn't figured that out

also, need link

[Orruar]

When have I ever offered any pretense that I'm anything other than a reclusive basement dweller? lol

I literally wrote a poem about Everquest earlier today

But by all means, try to silence casual discussion simply because you disagree with it, because that's not a hallmark of a terrible person or anything.

You're talking to someone who fully supports the actions of Melissa Click. Silencing ideas that he doesn't agree with is his favorite pasttime. I guarantee he's already gone to the forum mods to report this thread for thought crimes.

[iruinedyourday]

shut the fuck up orruar you racist fucking scumbag.

[Lune]

So there's already a good chance Putin will bomb the shit out of ISIS, and now France suffered their worst ever terrorist attack.

When is all this "no boots on the ground" nonsense gonna be set aside so we can go in there and blast these evil people to oblivion? I mean Al Qaeda was bad enough but ISIS is making them look like tame.

You can't defeat an insurgency with an occupation under the current rules of engagement. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, should have been enough to teach us that.

As soon as we show up they'll put away their black flags, put on their finest civilian clothes, and lay dormant planting IED's until we leave. It's also a colossal drain on our resources that accomplishes nothing, and this reality is one of the motivations behind these terrorist attacks... trying to provoke a misguided, useless, expensive response. Just look at all the ways 9/11 has degraded our country purely due to the actions we took in the aftermath.

[Soandso]

Could this be retribution for the drone strike that killed jihadi john and the other isis commanders? Maybe this is retribution for the destruction of the hospital in afghanistan?

[Orruar]

the problem is IRYD hasn't figured that out

also, need link

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2087574#post2087574

Context: IRYD claimed mass shootings (school shootings and the like) were at a "ridiculous all time high". I posted graphs that showed this was not the case and mass shootings were actually on the decline over the past couple decades. IRYD claimed my graphs included things like gang shootings. One of my graphs had in the title "non-gang" and another had a footnote that explicitly excluded those types of events that IRYD claims the graphs included.

[Orruar]

Could this be retribution for the drone strike that killed jihadi john and the other isis commanders? Maybe this is retribution for the destruction of the hospital in afghanistan?

Probably not retribution for Jihadi John. That happened too recently and something like this would have been in planning for weeks if not months. Even if their strike date was flexible, it wouldn't be so flexible as to go on a one day notice like that.

[iruinedyourday]

You can't defeat an insurgency with an occupation under the current rules of engagement. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, should have been enough to teach us that.

As soon as we show up they'll put away their black flags, put on their finest civilian clothes, and lay dormant planting IED's until we leave. It's also a colossal drain on our resources that accomplishes nothing, and this reality is one of the motivations behind these terrorist attacks... trying to provoke a misguided, useless, expensive response. Just look at all the ways 9/11 has degraded our country purely due to the actions we took in the aftermath.



OR i dont know you could spend your time thinking of positive things because being kind to your neighbor is literately the only contribution any of you failures of adults can have on society.

[Raev]

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When is all this "no boots on the ground" nonsense gonna be set aside so we can go in there and blast these evil people to oblivion? I mean Al Qaeda was bad enough but ISIS is making them look like tame.

How about we *gasp* try just leaving them alone? The US has been busy fomenting discord in the Middle East for the past 50 years. We supported the foundation of the State of Israel (because clearly the Arabs should have to take the Jews we didn't want). Our other allies in the region, the Saudis, are busy financing ISIS and bombing hospitals and weddings in Yemen (while also chairing the UN human rights committee!). Our original ally, Saddam Hussein, was busy gassing the Kurds as we cheered him on in his war with Iraq. Then we have two direct wars in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and proxy civil wars in Libya, Egypt, and now Syria. And during this whole time the US has been making a profit selling weapons. I'm not saying the Arabs have been blameless, but I hope you can start to understand why they talk about American imperialism.

IRYD claimed mass shootings (school shootings and the like) were at an all time high. I posted graphs that showed this was not the case. IRYD claimed my graphs included things like gang shootings. One of my graphs had in the title "non-gang" and another had a footnote that explicitly excluded those types of events that IRYD claims the graphs included.
I think Japan's analysis of IRYD is probably correct. He's not really a true troll like Tiggles, who gets off on others negative feelings. He's a self-hating liberal who gets off on being slapped around.

[Lune]

OR i dont know you could spend your time thinking of positive things because being kind to your neighbor is literately the only contribution any of you failures of adults can have on society.

... Wanting to keep the US military out of senseless wars isn't a positive thought?

Don't shit up the thread with your barely intelligible bickering. When Barkingturtle expresses the absurdity of what I'm saying I'm honored to have read it. You can do better.

[iruinedyourday]

... Wanting to keep the US military out of senseless wars isn't a positive thought?

Don't shit up the thread with your barely intelligible bickering. When Barkingturtle expresses the absurdity of what I'm saying I'm honored to have read it. You can do better.

you should try saying smart things instead of acting smart.

[iruinedyourday]

I wish the people that hated me weren't racist shit heads so i could feel bad about it.

[Lune]

you should try saying smart things instead of acting smart.

I dunno man, I was plenty smart when you were quoting and praising me in other threads where our positions converged, but here where there's an issue we disagree on, I'm dumb? How convenient.

And I don't hate people because they disagreed with me on elf forum. I don't know, maybe I'm older than you, but I'm past the point where I'm emotionally involved in forum quest.

[iruinedyourday]

thats becuse I didnt know you were a racist shithead

[Viscian]

thats becuse I didnt know you were a racist shithead

When you don't agree on issues.. You MUST BE A RACIST! lol

You should stop watching the Clinton News Network (CNN) and try other sources of information to form your opinions. Or just continue thinking everyone who doesn't agree with what your selling is a racist. #lovethatelfsimforumdrama

[Slathar]

When you don't agree on issues.. You MUST BE A RACIST! lol

You should stop watching the Clinton News Network (CNN) and try other sources of information to form your opinions. Or just continue thinking everyone who doesn't agree with what your selling is a racist. #lovethatelfsimforumdrama

to be fair saying "im not racist" is what every racist says.

[Star]

Well RIP TMO on red.

[Orruar]

iruinedyourday: A person who will unironically call someone a racist for disliking a religious ideology.

[Patriam1066]

My father is a Muslim. Until I was forced to leave Iran, I was being raised Muslim. When I was old enough to understand things, I chose my mother's Baha'i faith. It makes more sense to me, mainly the not taking text written thousands of years ago literally and ignoring every other influence on ones life.

I am 100% middle eastern, look Persian / Iraqi, and don't consider Lune racist. He's welcome to buy me a beer any time (I'm cheap as fuck, Persian baby). I don't know why if I don't find Lune racist you would IRD.

[Viscian]

Well RIP TMO on red.

Thought all TMO left red after Velious launch.

[Jarnauga]

If you don't see why saying "all muslims are terrorists" is basically the same thing as saying "all blacks are thieves", i can't do anything for you. Oh and don't start on the "culture of hate" thing. the coran is exactly the same thing as the bible: a religious text from 2000 years ago that you can interpret literaly if you're not smart enough to realize that we're not in the middle age anymore.

[Pik]

http://i.imgur.com/8X7xJaz.jpg

I won't be using this tragedy for laughs or cheap political points.

TRUMP 2016


dont u cheat on ur ladyboy wife n u sold bestow fungi 4 100 tacos?

ragin cajun

[Patriam1066]

The Quran and Hadith are like the Old Testament. They are nothing like the New Testament.

Regardless, people have a right in democracies to voice their opinions. Is turkey giving Armenia back its land? Are the Yazidis and Christians going to be promised a state in Iraq and Syria? Are the Kurds going to stop getting bombed by every nation trying to hold their land? Will Sharia be modified to allow women to have recourse when they are raped?

Christianity and post Christian agnostic/atheist western civ are not even close to the cultures that predominate in the Middle East. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

PS: no shit not all Muslims are terrorists. That doesn't mean people can't ask questions such as: what advantage does large scale Islamic immigration confer upon the host countries? I'm serious, I'd love to hear what you, as a Muslim, would say to that. It's pretty sad when even my family, religious Shias from rural Iran, are beginning to question their faith.

I believe in God in what I would call a devout fashion. I am extremely wary, however, of those who claim to speak for him. In addition, god's law has no place in the laws of a nation-state. When you choose a religion, it's a conviction that's deeply personal. I do my obligatory prayers 9 times a day, I fast a couple days a year to make my mother happy, and I have NEVER, in my life, passed judgment upon a person for not holding my beliefs. However, when Christians and Yazidis are being exterminated by Sunnis and NO ONE in the Islamic world is doing two shits about it, please don't expect me to listen to your arguments about "tolerance this" and "generalization that." Live by your own supposed code of tolerance that is identical to Christianity and then none of us will have a problem. I mean seriously, are you outraged that people in France are pissed about taking millions of Algerians and in return those same people shoot up 150 people? Your ire should be directed at your own who taint your holy Quran, rather than the rational people who abhor violence done in the name of a God, which though I believe in, cannot be logically proven to exist.

I DO NOT HATE YOU because you are Muslim or middle eastern. It simply makes me tremendously sad that the region where western civilization arguably started has no capacity for introspection and critical self analysis that could lead to positive change. In short, to every Muslim: live by this code of tolerance that you want all the rest of us to apply to you and none of us would have this problem.

God Bless and insh'allah we'll all stop killing each other over inane bull shit

[AzzarTheGod]

My father is a Muslim. Until I was forced to leave Iran, I was being raised Muslim. When I was old enough to understand things, I chose my mother's Baha'i faith. It makes more sense to me, mainly the not taking text written thousands of years ago literally and ignoring every other influence on ones life.

I am 100% middle eastern, look Persian / Iraqi, and don't consider Lune racist. He's welcome to buy me a beer any time (I'm cheap as fuck, Persian baby). I don't know why if I don't find Lune racist you would IRD.

What circumstance did you leave Iran under?

This is how most Catholics live in adulthood as well, they don't "choose" a different faith, but they intelligently decide that the Church is a bit dated and doesn't fully align with the real world environment of today. I feel this is Islam's biggest problem, a cultural/religious movement or revolution of sorts per say needs to take place.

Christianity had many many reformations and so-called revolutions even the Reformation which destroyed and dispelled many Dark Ages ideas and Church nonsense.

Has Islam had any such History of reformation from within as Christianity has with the Catholic Church? I do not know much about the history as most colleges do not offer such courses at a high level unless you specifically seek out such studies at a specific University.

Will buy you lifetime beers if you can introduce us to some of your Persian lady friends. Caught the fever and in love w/ the Farsi accent. Americanized Persians are really pretty but seems the princess complex comes with the package, I can deal though!

[Lune]

If you don't see why saying "all muslims are terrorists" is basically the same thing as saying "all blacks are thieves", i can't do anything for you. Oh and don't start on the "culture of hate" thing. the coran is exactly the same thing as the bible: a religious text from 2000 years ago that you can interpret literaly if you're not smart enough to realize that we're not in the middle age anymore.

One is a religion that heavily influences many cultures.

The other is a race.

Also nobody is saying all Muslims are terrorists, only that (for the 10th time this thread) Islamic cultures tend to be more conducive to religious violence. I take issue with the behaviors and beliefs that characterize these cultures, and I will explain why.

I feel like, even though when I took Anthropology I had cultural relativism drilled into my head and I believed it for years, you seriously need to bring yourself to understand culture. Understand the difference between culture and race, and the profound extent to which someone's culture influences the course of their life, and how it can evolve over time.

Consider the basic essence of what culture is:

There are two groups of humans living in a forest. Group A reveres fire, and devotes all its spare time to worshiping and experimenting with fire. Group B reveres wood, and spends its time worshiping trees and making things out of wood. Over several generations, due to group A's obsession with fire, they discover that if you put certain rocks in the fire, they will melt and make metal. Over a few more generations, they discover that you can shape this metal into a sharp, durable point that makes an incredible weapon or tool.

Group B, in spite of being just as ingenious as group A, are limited by the fact that wood simply doesn't have as many wondrous applications as metal. Due to their amazing new tools and weapons, group A is able to build a more complex society and their metal utterly outclasses group B in warfare and industry. Group A conquers group B and integrates/destroys their culture.

Group A and B are the same race of people, but which group was better at surviving in the forest? Why? How is this any different than one culture that highly values scientific exploration or educational attainment, and one that values pleasure and relaxation? Which one is going to achieve more? Are both cultures just as suitable for building a successful, advanced civilization?

Now apply this to the present situation. In the West, we endeavor to give our women many of the same rights as our men. Most Muslim cultures believe women should remain in the household with specific gender roles and limited rights. This is a Sharia provision. Pure cultural relativism says both these approaches have equal merit. I believe that is not true. I believe it's objectively better to give women rights, and I think societies that give their women rights end up being better societies. Now apply this to the full range of behaviors and beliefs that culture encompasses:

Political cartoons, educational attainment, courtship, how you treat the elderly, what age you should be when you have kids, how much you trust your neighbors, your faith in the government, your goals in life and the afterlife, dining customs. None of these things are dictated by your race, but by your culture. When you express disfavor for certain combinations of these things, you're expressing disfavor for a culture, not a race

Do you think it's fine that women aren't allowed to drive in many Middle Eastern countries, that they have minimal rights, often can't get an education, go out alone, or seek their own path in life? How would you like it if I called you racist because you disagreed with this treatment of women? As a very secular person, I disagree profoundly with the Sharia values that are so often part of Islamic cultures, and it pains me to watch a culture that I prefer make concessions and change itself to accommodate one that I dislike. Christian cultures, mainly in the West, tend to be more secular. Muslim cultures tend to be more fundamentalist. I'm a highly secular person. Even though not all Muslims are fundamentalist, a more fundamentalist culture is going to, on average, produce more fundamentalist people. Why the fuck would I approve of that culture? Not all Muslims are violent extremists, but most Muslims support Sharia law. Fuck that.

Cultural relativism is bullshit. Mulitculturalism, being founded on cultural relativism, is also bullshit.

[Raev]

Do you think it's fine that women aren't allowed to drive in many Middle Eastern countries

superb idea

[Sidelle]

See it doesn't fucking matter. All fucking people like you do is say wait no let's hear what the cops have to say let's see what happened in court but then when it comes to fucking Muslim or any fucking nonwhite anything you're fucking immediately on the Internet posting blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Lulu and blah blah blah racist bullshit fuck your fucking face you fucking racist fuck

or shut the fuck up and start post something about dark elevs and stop trying to spam this fucking fucked up shit on a fucking video game forum jesus christ you fucking shutin do you ever ask yourself WHY you are a basement dwelling loaner?

god i feel bad again, just look stop posting fucked up shit your opinions are bad and wrong and you should keep them to yourself and the shower.

your casual discussion is about blaming and pointing fingers at genrealities and offering no positive solutions its fucking gross and you should be ashamed.

and i feel bad ur just a guy who likes the same games but cut the shit with the blaming large swaths of people with your self perceived analytical bigotry

shut the fuck up orruar you racist fucking scumbag.

OR i dont know you could spend your time thinking of positive things because being kind to your neighbor is literately the only contribution any of you failures of adults can have on society.

I wish the people that hated me weren't racist shit heads so i could feel bad about it.

thats becuse I didnt know you were a racist shithead
LOL! I forgot how batshit crazy you get when you're having an autistic meltdown. It's funny to watch but someone better get a tranquilizer dart ready, just in case.

[AzzarTheGod]

Do you think it's fine that women aren't allowed to drive in many Middle Eastern countries, that they have minimal rights, often can't get an education, go out alone, or seek their own path in life? How would you like it if I called you racist because you disagreed with this treatment of women?

Yes. I get pleasure out of helping and courting women, and women get pleasure from having their every need attended to by a man. Many women prefer and ultimately seek this way of life as ideal, as it may very well be human nature.

However I agree they should have the option not to receive any help with anything, ever, thereby I support their right to not require a man to live day to day life if they so choose.

Although I would need to research this much more to form a final opinion. I feel that perhaps the Middle East is just trying to preserve what comes natural, through Sharia, and what not.

[AzzarTheGod]

LOL! I forgot how batshit crazy you get when you're having an autistic meltdown. It's funny to watch but someone better get a tranquilizer dart ready, just in case.

Leave IRYD alone. He's fine. Its a passionate subject and political arguments in real life often get heated, which is why its polite not to discuss politics with anyone as a rule of thumb. He has a right to express himself on the forum too.

[iruinedyourday]

LOL! I forgot how batshit crazy you get when you're having an autistic meltdown. It's funny to watch but someone better get a tranquilizer dart ready, just in case.

ah i havent seen a mass quote iryd from sidelle in sooo long <3 wb

[iruinedyourday]

Leave IRYD alone. He's fine. Its a passionate subject and political arguments in real life often get heated, which is why its polite not to discuss politics with anyone as a rule of thumb. He has a right to express himself on the forum too.

im just here to make sure this thread talks about how crazy I am instead of crazy racist sociopathic shit but thanks for lookn out :o;)

[Big_Japan]

dont u cheat on ur ladyboy wife n u sold bestow fungi 4 100 tacos?

ragin cajun

most people here get called a virgin truthfully, i get called a philanderer falsely

this is what separates me from yall

[Godefroi]

This is just so fucking sad. I got stuck last night cause they closed the subway. Apparently 3 suicide bombers @ stade de france failed, they blew up too early, i cant even imagine had they set off when the 80k folks were done watching the football game and came out.

this is just the saddest day since ww2 for us. It will give more rooms for extremism. It gives me nausea.

[Kyff]

A lot of correct things have been said from both sides of the discussion. Now what I'm missing everytime things like these gappen is an important muslim preacher standing up and explaining that people killing innocents do not fulfil the works of the prophet.

If it's true that there is no such thing as a commandment to kill infidels, which I am ready to Accept, there should be someone pointing this out to the believers. Maybe the muslims are lacking some kind of pope interpreting the scriptures for everyone. But then again the existing pope also failed to call out the holocaust when it happened.

[bubur]

i didnt read this thread but allahu akhbar

pras, your igorance empowers us, just like any video game u played

[bubur]

truth is, this event was a tragedy. you will not find a single normal non-neet muslim online or off that thinks this was a good thing. we're appalled

whereas youll find hundreds of racist tools calling for the extinction of our several unrelated countries. whos evil here?

[Swish]

Muslims can be any race, though I appreciate the "racism" card is often used when they're defending themselves because a ton of liberal whites come running.

[bubur]

fuckin glass the middle east & tyrant child molester lord amrite?

uneducated zero business sense hail plastic from china dummos

[Orruar]

If it's true that there is no such thing as a commandment to kill infidels, which I am ready to Accept, there should be someone pointing this out to the believers. Maybe the muslims are lacking some kind of pope interpreting the scriptures for everyone. But then again the existing pope also failed to call out the holocaust when it happened.

Unfortunately, the Koran is rather explicit and repetitive about its calls for Muslims to slaughter non-believers. It would take a complete rewriting of language to turn Islam based on the Koran into a peaceful doctrine.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

[Orruar]

truth is, this event was a tragedy. you will not find a single normal non-neet muslim online or off that thinks this was a good thing. we're appalled

Polls have been done (links were given earlier in the thread) showing support for actions like this at 20-50% across the Muslim world. This is not some tiny fringe of psychos, but rather a problem with the entire philosophy of Mohammed. That sort of happens when your religion is based on the life of a psychopath and child molester.

[myriverse]

But NOWHERE does it say to behead non-believers.
Bullshit. It's just that most "Christians" today are only nominal Christians that don't follow the Bible. If they did... look out! They'd be just as horrific as these crazy mofos.

"The God of Peace teaches us to kill each other in war."
"they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed." - the thing "devouring" and "consuming" in this speech is the sword
The list goes on and on and...

[Kyff]

Unfortunately, the Koran is rather explicit and repetitive about its calls for Muslims to slaughter non-believers. It would take a complete rewriting of language to turn Islam based on the Koran into a peaceful doctrine.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

Well, in Iraq and Syria most victims of terror are fellow muslims. Allah should at least frown at these actions. Where is the Imam that says so??

[Guttzs]

Well, in Iraq and Syria most victims of terror are fellow muslims. Allah should at least frown at these actions. Where is the Imam that says so??

imam here, please kill us all.

[One Tin Soldier]

The people who perpetrated these attacks want to promulgate a religious war between muslims and non-muslims. The darker side of my psyche thinks maybe we should give them what they want.

[Jahdu]

Guys, there are 1.5 billion muslims in the world. 1.5 Billion!!
That number just blows the "Islam if a violent religion" out the water because if they really were all out to get us, we'd be gone by now.

[sOurDieSel]

The Religion of Peace....Does anyone really believe that? rofl

There may be moderate Muslims, but there is NO moderate Islam.

Europe for Europeans.

164 Jihad Veruses (http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html)

Why the Crusades where a response to the Islamic Caliphate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y)

[One Tin Soldier]

Guys, there are 1.5 billion muslims in the world. 1.5 Billion!!
That number just blows the "Islam if a violent religion" out the water because if they really were all out to get us, we'd be gone by now.

Assuming your number is reasonably accurate how many non-muslims does that leave? I'm not going to bother looking it up but I think the population of the world is something like....7 billion? Something like that.

It's a silly thing to be talking about anyway but I'm sure if it ever actually came down to it we could at least count on the Hindus to help out. Besides, the vast majority of muslims live in piss-poor, shithole countries with weak militaries.

Obviously this is not likely to ever happen but if the jihad types ever did succeed in instigating a holy war with muslims versus everyone else I'm afraid they would go down in flames pretty quickly.

[Swish]

See the Ottoman Empire for a historical reference.

While all empires crumble, its amazing they got anywhere at all.

[sOurDieSel]

ohhhh the glorious benefits of multiculturalism at its finest

3rd World Strong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbJjizDvRKg)

Parasite On (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-ZjOHbO21U)

[Swish]

The sooner the EU is dissolved and European countries can do their own thing, the better.

[MrSparkle001]

You can't defeat an insurgency with an occupation under the current rules of engagement. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, should have been enough to teach us that.

As soon as we show up they'll put away their black flags, put on their finest civilian clothes, and lay dormant planting IED's until we leave. It's also a colossal drain on our resources that accomplishes nothing, and this reality is one of the motivations behind these terrorist attacks... trying to provoke a misguided, useless, expensive response. Just look at all the ways 9/11 has degraded our country purely due to the actions we took in the aftermath.

Storming and blowing the shit out of their strongholds in northern Iraq is a step that needs to be taken, and eventually will be, by us or someone else. But yeah the ROE does cripple us - but only us. You think Putin will care? Not that I expect him to launch an invasion but someone has to take the ROE and wipe their ass with it to eliminate these fuckers.

Only other thing we can do is not let these fuckers in our countries. France is currently fucked because there's too many of them already and the rest of Europe is in serious danger with these new refugees. One of the suicide bombers was a "Syrian refugee" who passed through Greece. Can't let these fuckers in.

[MrSparkle001]

Polls have been done (links were given earlier in the thread) showing support for actions like this at 20-50% across the Muslim world. This is not some tiny fringe of psychos, but rather a problem with the entire philosophy of Mohammed. That sort of happens when your religion is based on the life of a psychopath and child molester.

The muslim extremist wants to cut your head off. The muslim moderate wants the extremist to cut your head off.

Was said once sort of as a joke but it sure seems accurate doesn't it?

[Lojik]

I think people have a higher tendency to lean extremist the worse their countries economic/political situation. There are parts of both the Quran and the bible that have pretty radical language, but the poor state of things in the middle east means people are more willing to agree with those radical things.

Look at Paris for instance, 160 dead and people calling for the extermination of all Muslims. But the US and allies have been meddling in the middle east for 70 years. Essentially we've kicked the hornets nest for 7 decades, then Europe said "hey let's let the hornets in... they need a home. "

[Patriam1066]

This is just so fucking sad. I got stuck last night cause they closed the subway. Apparently 3 suicide bombers @ stade de france failed, they blew up too early, i cant even imagine had they set off when the 80k folks were done watching the football game and came out.

this is just the saddest day since ww2 for us. It will give more rooms for extremism. It gives me nausea.

Sorry to hear that man. My prayers are with you guys for what that's worth.

Vive la France

[Raev]

Look at Paris for instance, 160 dead and people calling for the extermination of all Muslims. But the US and allies have been meddling in the middle east for 70 years. Essentially we've kicked the hornets nest for 7 decades, then Europe said "hey let's let the hornets in... they need a home. "

Exactly. Logical solution in two parts: stop kicking hornets nest; let hornets stay at home. Bake for 10 years at low temperature.

[Champion_Standing]

I think people have a higher tendency to lean extremist the worse their countries economic/political situation. There are parts of both the Quran and the bible that have pretty radical language, but the poor state of things in the middle east means people are more willing to agree with those radical things.

Look at Paris for instance, 160 dead and people calling for the extermination of all Muslims. But the US and allies have been meddling in the middle east for 70 years. Essentially we've kicked the hornets nest for 7 decades, then Europe said "hey let's let the hornets in... they need a home. "

The US and it's allies have been in conflict with Middle Eastern and Muslim nations for a lot longer than 70 years. Our allies were fighting with them long before we were even a nation, and look at some of the first military engagements our congress authorized. Calls for Jihad against western nations are absolutely nothing new, they not a product of the modern era or the product of some kind of recent development in extremism.

[iruinedyourday]

Itt a bunch of people who have trouble interacting with the cashier at the grocery store hypothesize how a nation should interact with the whole world.

[Ahldagor]

Didn't sift through all of this because I got tired of everyone berating Lune in the early pages of posts, but Lune's right. How you cowards deal with it is your own personal way.

https://archive.is/VE0jj#selection-459.1-463.388

Apologies if this has already been posted.

[Lune]

Storming and blowing the shit out of their strongholds in northern Iraq is a step that needs to be taken, and eventually will be, by us or someone else. But yeah the ROE does cripple us - but only us. You think Putin will care? Not that I expect him to launch an invasion but someone has to take the ROE and wipe their ass with it to eliminate these fuckers.

Only other thing we can do is not let these fuckers in our countries. France is currently fucked because there's too many of them already and the rest of Europe is in serious danger with these new refugees. One of the suicide bombers was a "Syrian refugee" who passed through Greece. Can't let these fuckers in.

Honestly it's also time to cut the cord with their sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc. At this point, gas prices in the US probably wouldn't go up all that much, and this is something that eventually needs to happen anyway. The sooner we stop pouring money and resources into Islamic theocracies, the better.

http://i.imgur.com/x5FNtoR.jpg

Borderline illiterate tries to discuss issues in thread, fails, has a meltdown, resorts to trolling thread.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Honestly it's also time to cut the cord with their sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc. At this point, gas prices in the US probably wouldn't go up all that much, and this is something that eventually needs to happen anyway. The sooner we stop pouring money and resources into Islamic theocracies, the better.

Would probably help if we sent all the politicians in bed with big oil to go live with them

Borderline illiterate tries to discuss issues in thread, fails, has a meltdown, resorts to trolling thread.

So business as usual?

[iruinedyourday]

Muslim here. A common question i get is WHY do they attack? If you want to know specifically about ISIS, then you should first know a [little history about them,](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/) and if you want to know why some Muslims in the West join such extremist groups, then I've compiled several key factors that can push them to extremes and can help explain their perspective:


1. **Death Of Muslims**: Muslims have been witnessing the continual slaughter of their brothers and sisters by opposing forces in their lands. Instead of such incidents abating with time, every few days a new headline in some newspaper conveys the death of more anonymous Muslim civilians. This can encourage Muslims to sometimes make quick and irrational decisions, often times leading to innocent civilians being killed on the other side. "We can't just sit and watch our brothers and sisters get butchered while we sit comfortably behind our computer screens. We have to do something".

2. **Attacks From The West**: Some Muslims may see the Western world as their primary enemy because of their attacks, invasions, support of oppressive regimes and their killing of thousands of civilians in Muslim lands in the last century. From the invasion of Iraq to the military endeavors in Afghanistan, from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo, from Aafia Siddiqui to Ali al-Timimi, from the 'War on Terror' to the 'Patriot Act', it can become easier to convince an impressionable mind into accepting the West versus Islam paradigm (as if these two entities can be surgically and neatly delineated, separated and defined). It is not hard for some Muslims to feel strong resentment towards the West and this resentment can push some to go to the extreme in retaliation, consequently justifying taking the lives of civilians on the opposing side. "They killed our people, so we should be able to kill theirs" is the type of argument they use. [Here](https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/14/imprisoned-terror-charges-fahim-ahmad-gives-insight-radicalization/) is one example of a confessed terrorist plotter who wanted to get Canadian troops to withdraw.


3. **With Us Or Against Us**: Among extremist groups, you will see Muslims who have adopted a very simplistic, black/white view of the world. Either you are on their side (side of the Muslims) or on the side of the disbelievers (kuffar). When they come across Muslims who have condemned their group/actions, they will be quick to dismiss their arguments, saying that they are "aiding the kuffar". They see their condemnation as them betraying their Muslim brothers and sisters who are suffering in other countries.


4. **Economic Frustration**: Extreme frustration with the economic situation of many of those involved in such groups, coupled with a lack of hope in alleviating their dismal situation. Years of poverty, oppression, unemployment and greedy political leaders in the Muslim world can push many of the youth to take the matter into their own hands. For those with no hope, fanaticism and over-zealousness gives them some hope. When there is no alternative, extremism becomes normal.

5. **Lack Of Islamic Knowledge**: A common feature among extremist fighters is that they are largely composed of young recruits that are relatively new to Islam or have a very superficial understanding of the faith. A quick read through of the Quran and exposure to the first Muslim group you encounter can easily lead you to think that this group is on the right Islamic path. The more Islamic knowledge you have, the more easier it is to recognize unIslamic groups &amp; movements and to avoid making [poor uneducated choices.](http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119182/jihadists-buy-islam-dummies-amazon)

6. **Distrust**: You can find Muslims who support these groups online talking about how we shouldn't trust the mainstream media on the topic of Muslim terrorists, because of the previous lies these mainstream sources have told us. There are Muslims who honestly believe that the extremist group they support are in the right; that they are only defending themselves and not killing civilians unjustly. They will disregard any source that counters these claims despite how strong the evidence is against their group.

7. **Lack Of Unity**: Religious leadership among Muslims is disunited today; every loud voice can potentially become a leader merely by shouting loud enough. Anyone can potentially take on the lead without understanding Islam and the contemporary world or start takfiri preaching further dividing the Muslims into more smaller segments with various levels of authorities to follow. Since there is no official Caliphate, you can find some smaller segments coming up with their own pseudo-Islamic state or their own pseudo-caliph. Lack of unity also makes it harder for Muslims to voice their condemnation against any particular extremist group because they can't have an 'official' opinion on a matter.

8. **Misunderstanding Jihad**: The concept of jihad is a legitimate concept if applied properly in Islam; and it can be a type of terrorism if misunderstood and misapplied. It is like a loaded weapon: it can be used for good and to defend, and it can also be misused for harming others. Many other faiths don't have such a concept. Because Islam does, it can and will be misapplied.

9. **Silence of Muslim preachers on Jihad**: Muslim preachers in the West are restricted from speaking about physical jihad or have classes where Muslims can learn the proper history of battles in Islamic history, the conditions for fighting, and war in the modern world. Because Muslim preachers are often quiet about this subject, young Muslims can be easily duped by extremist recruiters into accepting the alternative view and the permissibility of fighting with modern militant groups. Someone can easily show them some narrations (hadith) of the rewards of jihad while being completely unaware of the major contextual differences in our time and can convince them of the greater good in fighting. When the only voices that address issues of concern are the voices of radical militant jihadis they find on the internet, it is only natural that young and impressionable minds will gravitate to these voices, as explained in [this article](http://muslimmatters.org/2010/10/18/yasir-qadhi-the-lure-of-radicalism-amongst-muslim-youth/).

10. **The Media**: Terrorist groups are empowered by the media. The more attention they get, the more powerful their threats become and the more new recruits they can potentially secure. Violent groups, no matter how small in number, will always get more attention than peaceful groups. Hundreds of Muslims scholars can condemn terrorism, tens of thousands of Muslims can protest for peace, but the 1 Muslim who blows himself up or beheads a civilian, will be the person who receives more attention in this modern age, and more attention gives him a better chance for more people to join his cause.

11. **The Easy Path**: It might be surprising to non-Muslims, but in many ways, it can actually be more simple and easier for a dedicated Muslim to join one of these groups and fight. It can be much tougher for a passionate Muslim to envision living in a secular land with trials, tribulations and possible persecution for the next 30+ years, all while watching their Muslim brothers and sisters die. And the false idea of blowing yourself up and going straight to paradise sounds very easy. Many passionate Muslims are eager to die for the sake of God, but how many are willing to live for the sake of God?

12. **Scholars Are Ignored**: Muslims who are already supporting extremist groups will completely ignore Muslim Scholars who critique their groups. Calling them " sellouts" or saying that they are "aiding the kuffar" because they're condemning a Muslim group. "You can't criticize those Muslims fighting! At least those Muslims are doing something while you are just living comfortably in your own home". I have personally come across isis sympathizers who completely dismiss Muslim scholars when they are refuted by them. Extremists are emotional and impatient, and they won't bother to take the time to read/listen to the entire message of Muslim scholars who often critique both sides and can explain to extremists about their flawed understanding. [Isis captors cared more about politics than religion when it mattered.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/intl_world/amanpour-didier-francois/)

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**tl;dr:** The Muslim world today is in a entirely different economic and political context than the Western world. The Muslim world lacks unity, suffers from poverty, oppression, unemployment, greedy political leaders, and Muslims have been witnessing the continual slaughter of other Muslims by opposing forces in their lands for decades. These factors, along with others, can push some to join extremist groups.

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edit: this is NOT my opinion that i came up with. Its from reddit but its a hell of a lot more intelligent than any of you upset nerds will be able to articulate on p99

[Bazia]

Muslims are slaughtered en masse by other muslims on a much larger and routine scale than any opposing force in recent times, you have never been to the middle east and have no fucking clue what you are talking about

just thought you should know

they use ultra violence to wrestle control from multiple vying tribes or groups in their home regions and once they relocate to other areas they replicate those strategies

[Jahdu]

Native Americans needed a stronger, Donald Trump Wall type policy all those years ago.
Just sayin...

[Skillslam]

Around islam, never stay calm.

[iruinedyourday]

I love when people who are just angry and sheltered and just think muslims are terrorists say I have no clue on a video game website

[Lune]

edit: this is NOT my opinion that i came up with. Its from reddit but its a hell of a lot more intelligent than any of you upset nerds will be able to articulate on p99

^

Link to the r/Explainitlikeimfive post this is copy pasted from (https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3sq6h7/eli5_paris_attacks_megathread/cwzk41k)

If I wanted this issue explained to me like I were five, I'd be on r/eli5. I expect better here. The only reason this was upvoted so hard on reddit was because it fit everyone's preconceived, comfortable expectation for how this issue should be framed. Everyone wants to believe Islam is mostly harmless and that most Muslims don't hold beliefs that are radically incompatible with Western civilization. This is untrue. We don't need this, especially when it ultimately amounts to framing Muslims as victims lashing out against white oppressors and ignores the widespread support for things like Sharia law among Muslims. It operates with the presumption that there is a mainstream body of moderate, reasonable religious scholars who are being ignored. That is simply not the case. This post is shameless PR. Mainstream Islam is Sharia.

Copy pasting rhetoric is embarrassing, especially when it is from Global Issues For Dummies. Formulate your own argument and if you want to give it authority, use data (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2106566&postcount=18).

[iruinedyourday]

god you guys are really fucking dumb

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I just figured it out.

IRYD is pissed that the #Mizzou hashtag is being ignored.

As we all know 150 tumblrites getting their fee-fees hurt by a poop swastika is worse than the wholesale slaughter of 150+ innocents.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RheaButter/status/665321875719852032
https://mobile.twitter.com/_kyrahardy/status/665327102472814594

[iruinedyourday]

the only one keeping up with tumblr here is you kaga sorry nope idk or care what ur talking about

[AzzarTheGod]

Sorry to hear that man. My prayers are with you guys for what that's worth.

Vive la France

How about a few sentences reply to this, since you are one of the only Muslims in this forum at the moment.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2106818&postcount=90

[iruinedyourday]

I can confirm that iranian food is the best on the planet but unless you like taarofing relatives that never ends then id stay away from the women.

[Lune]

How about a few sentences reply to this, since you are one of the only Muslims in this forum at the moment.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2106818&postcount=90

Read his posts, he's not a Muslim

I chose my mother's Baha'i faith

[AzzarTheGod]

I can confirm that iranian food is the best on the planet but unless you like taarofing relatives that never ends then id stay away from the women.

Just realized I got into a few taarofing matches and didn't even know what was going on. Thanks for the info. I had no idea what this was prior to you mentioning the term.

There was this persian cab driver I tried to tip for information (he used a computer, I waited at his window taking his time up) and he immediately said No no no no, and I responded instantaneously with no no no no no (as in no, really) and kept trying to give him the money and he said no again. And kept getting louder. I raised my voice over him and kept saying no no no no while trying to give him the money and eventually forced him to accept it, while shouting no no no.

Looks like I'm ready for Persian primetime and didn't even know it.

[Orruar]

Around islam, never stay calm.

Around Islam, always drop the bomb

[AzzarTheGod]

"Everybody just be calm, that's the word passed down by the Imam.

It came from the Quaran, it can't be wrong."

- popular mainstream Islamic extremist rapper in America.

[JayN]

And this is why every whack job in there country should have the right to own a gun.

at least they could fight back

[iruinedyourday]

I hope everyone is as sick of pitchfork reactions to this shit as I am and it puts bernie at the top of the polls after tonight's debate. Probably wrong tho :(

[iruinedyourday]

also lets keep in mind we named french frys freedom fries at one point, and everyone whos got thier pitchforks out are the same folks lol so...

[Champion_Standing]

also lets keep in mind we named french frys freedom fries at one point, and everyone whos got thier pitchforks out are the same folks lol so...

I don't really think that ever caught on bud, what like a few dozen restaurants did it to get some press and free advertising?

[iruinedyourday]

pretty sure it was a huge annoying deal. LIke everything the other 50% of retards make.

lol i wanted a funny image but found this: http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/

[Orruar]

Well, in Iraq and Syria most victims of terror are fellow muslims. Allah should at least frown at these actions. Where is the Imam that says so??

Sunni kill shia and back because of their religion. They each use their own interpretation of who the proper leader of who should bring forth Mohammed's message. They kill each other over this difference. Let that sink in.

[iruinedyourday]

Sunni kill shia and back because of their religion. They each use their own interpretation of who the proper leader of who should bring forth Mohammed's message. They kill each other over this difference. Let that sink in.

oh fuck off all religions kill eachother over the minuta differences

what the fuck escuse to the irish have? shits paradise up there, at least in the middle east its a fucking hellish nightmare of an environment to live in even on the most peaceful days

[Sidelle]

Bullshit. It's just that most "Christians" today are only nominal Christians that don't follow the Bible. If they did... look out! They'd be just as horrific as these crazy mofos.

"The God of Peace teaches us to kill each other in war."
"they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed." - the thing "devouring" and "consuming" in this speech is the sword
The list goes on and on and...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ^^that sounds like Old Testament to me. I'm no bible expert -- I'm not even religious -- but I'm pretty sure everything changed after Jesus was crucified. The New Testament takes over from there, and voila, no more animal sacrifices and other freaky shit that God required. Everything was about Jesus and his message from that point on, and it was very different from the Old Testament.
The muslim extremist wants to cut your head off. The muslim moderate wants the extremist to cut your head off.

Was said once sort of as a joke but it sure seems accurate doesn't it?
BINGO! LOL
I hate to break it to people, but the majority of muslims -- including the so-called "moderates" -- believe in and want Sharia law implemented everywhere. "Religion of peace" (my ass)... And if you think Christians are bad when it comes to shoving their beliefs down people's throats, just wait til the muslims get ahold of you. Convert or die, motherfuckers.
This is just so fucking sad. I got stuck last night cause they closed the subway. Apparently 3 suicide bombers @ stade de france failed, they blew up too early, i cant even imagine had they set off when the 80k folks were done watching the football game and came out.

this is just the saddest day since ww2 for us. It will give more rooms for extremism. It gives me nausea.
I'm sorry for what your country is going through. So many innocent people hurt or killed. My prayers are with you.

[Sidelle]

ah i havent seen a mass quote iryd from sidelle in sooo long <3 wb
https://38.media.tumblr.com/39fd2ccbaf05973f2ee1bd0314c46a28/tumblr_mvbzq9PMlr1rjuggro1_500.gif

<3

[iruinedyourday]

its pretty sad that 50% of america voted in a candidate that created the worst intenrational disaster since ww2 and as soon as another terrorst attack happens anywhere you're here imidiatly (in less than an hour) posting about cutting off MUSLIMS heads and saying its what they want.

you guys are sick and war is bad and you should figure out the root of these causes instead of making them out to be like nazi storm troopers that have no souls.

and <3 u anyway sidelle :)

[iruinedyourday]

in honor of sidelle hers a sweet shot of her sweet character

http://i.imgur.com/XRpmAR6.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Keep pretending Vietnam never happened you Marxist pig.

[iruinedyourday]

The muslim extremist wants to cut your head off. The muslim moderate wants the extremist to cut your head off.

Was said once sort of as a joke but it sure seems accurate doesn't it?

Im tripple posting cus this is a post that sidelle quoted a minuet ago and I thought it was so gross.

you are all here saying we should purge the world of muslims and we literetly just went to war and killed tens of thousands of them, we blew thier heads into thousands of little pieces.

we have videos of us machine gunning from attack helecoptors innocent people

we torched towns and blew some off the face of the earth

and you dengrate moderate muslims for having the same, if not LESS rage than you guys have.

you all should be ashamed and you dont deserve a place in heaven.

[Orruar]

oh fuck off all religions kill eachother over the minuta differences

what the fuck escuse to the irish have? shits paradise up there, at least in the middle east its a fucking hellish nightmare of an environment to live in even on the most peaceful days

Wait, so your counterargument to "this religion is violent because people kill other people over it" is "but there are other religions that do the same thing"? First, you're talking to an atheist who doesn't much care of any religion. But even I can recognize that some religions are far more likely to be extreme enough to murder over religious reasons. Where are all the Buddhist suicide bombers at?

[iruinedyourday]

orruar just put me on ignore i hate yo uand dont care what you think so stop quoting me and asking questions youll get nowhere besides the fact you are too fucking stupid to understand one word i have ever posted

[Lune]

too fucking stupid to understand one word i have ever posted

My brain when I read this shit:

literetly

http://i.imgur.com/t2ZvL6v.jpg

imidiatly

http://i.imgur.com/IZXw1f0.jpg

the root of these causes

http://i.imgur.com/TBt32yI.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

you know how you guy say when you cant win an argument cry racist?

yea you are being that fucking dumb trying to go after my spelling

[iruinedyourday]

this is what you guys say "we should turn the middle east into glass and euthanise all thier children - I heard that even moderate Muslims think isis should jihad us"

are you guys extremists? or moderates?

[Lune]

you know how you guy say when you cant win an argument cry racist?

yea you are being that fucking dumb trying to go after my spelling

Nah I just don't think you should be calling people stupid, and you stopped addressing my points a long time ago.

this is what you guys say "we should turn the middle east into glass and euthanise all thier children - I heard that even moderate Muslims think isis should jihad us"

are you guys extremists? or moderates?

I didn't say we should glass the middle east, nor do I agree we should. That so-called moderate Muslims tend to have healthy support for Sharia is objective fact, and I've posted evidence supporting it. I wouldn't make the assertion that the 'majority' of Muslims support ISIS (though many do), because it simply isn't true. However, the majority of Muslims do support Sharia, which is enough for me to disagree profoundly with the majority of Muslims.

[iruinedyourday]

moderate Americans tend to have a healthy support for world war 4 so maybe its you guys that should just stop for a second if you think about it, the KDR is WAY higher on your side of the argument.

http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/139399/freedom-fries-thumbnail.jpg

[JayN]

moderate Americans tend to have a healthy support for world war 4 so maybe its you guys that should just stop for a second if you think about it, the KDR is WAY higher on your side of the argument.

http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/139399/freedom-fries-thumbnail.jpg

I need some of the burger delight w/e the fug it is :D

[Champion_Standing]

Burger Delight from some god fearing patriots? sign me up

[Big_Japan]

Keep pretending Vietnam never happened you Marxist pig.

hell even Korea was worse than a bunch of browns slaughtering each other in some colony run wild. This is just an oblique way of hitting Godwin's law now that we're getting on in double digit pagecount.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

you are all here saying we should purge the world of muslims and we literetly just went to war and killed tens of thousands of them, we blew thier heads into thousands of little pieces..

There's 1.6 billion muslims in the world. Tens of thousands are a drop in the bucket.

[iruinedyourday]

There's 1.6 billion muslims in the world. Tens of thousands are a drop in the bucket.

so yes moderates here on p99 want to kill tens of thousands of people and you call the same moderate attitude on the other side terrorist supporters.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

When did I ever claim to have a moderate stance on the Muslim problem? Also I don't think anyone appreciates you lumping everyone together who doesn't agree with your stance on cultural "enrichment". I speak for myself. Everyone else speaks for themselves.

[iruinedyourday]

When did I ever claim to have a moderate stance on the Muslim problem? Also I don't think anyone appreciates you lumping everyone together who doesn't agree with your stance on cultural "enrichment". I speak for myself. Everyone else speaks for themselves.

I dont know what you mean by cultural enrchiment in "quotes" but you're an extremist so i hate you the way you hate ISIS

anyone else who shares your opinions, are just as bad. At least you are self admiting you are a christian extremist.

yall are sick

[Big_Japan]

When did I ever claim to have a moderate stance on the Muslim problem? Also I don't think anyone appreciates you lumping everyone together who doesn't agree with your stance on cultural "enrichment". I speak for myself. Everyone else speaks for themselves.

The horrifying thing is that this extremist stance on the "Muslim problem" is the only rational direction to go when you buy the prevailing narrative. This genocidal drive is what will be harnessed to force a war of extermination between most of the world's goyim -- this time not between their nation-states and at risk of nuclear armageddon, but within their own borders (which have been essentially dissolved by the same people telling you that Muslims are the originator of this problem).

The necessities for winning this type of war will be Manhattan Project-tier budgets for big data analysis, mass surveillance, and domestic propaganda research initiatives and the concentration of the omniscient power of God in the hands of those who created this "problem" in the first place.

Assuming you don't die violently, you will live to see the day when every always-on device in your Western nation is running constant voice recognition, transcribing every word said in the vicinity into plaintext, and feeding it into a database for mass statistical analysis of the collective consciousness. Go try to make a post on halfchan and look carefully at what information the captcha is leveraging from you. Datapoints for speech recognition and image recognition; the data required for a few to rule many with the aid of automation.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Now you're just stringing words together hoping something sticks.

I'm a Christian extremist?

Where the hell have you been? I'm for the elimination of all Abrahamic faiths.

[Sidelle]

you are all here saying we should purge the world of muslims and we literetly just went to war and killed tens of thousands of them, we blew thier heads into thousands of little pieces.
I don't like war and I never said anything about purging the world of muslims. That being said... if they want to continue living their medieval goat-fucking, honor-killing, female-subjugating disgusting lifestyles, they are more than welcome to fuck off out of the western world they hate so much. Go back to AD 700 and have a nice life.

[Big_Japan]

Toskas confirms Paris attacker w Syrian passport was registered as refugee on Leros island in Oct (https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/665555110467084289)

#who_let_them_in

[Sidelle]

Well they did say "We will use refugee crisis to infiltrate West" (http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/).

[Raev]

Toskas confirms Paris attacker w Syrian passport was registered as refugee on Leros island in Oct (https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/665555110467084289)

#who_let_them_in

This makes me wonder if it was a false flag attack and/or planted later. What kind of retard suicide bomber brings their passport just to make a point? Not to mention, how did they ensure it would survive the explosion unscathed?

[Big_Japan]

This makes me wonder if it was a false flag attack and/or planted later. What kind of retard suicide bomber brings their passport just to make a point? Not to mention, how did they ensure it would survive the explosion unscathed?

It's a "false flag" at the level of the people who intentionally let him in. There's no need for he himself to be directly under orders from some Westerner or Israeli when the context in which he fights is already built to serve the needs of those who enable it.

[Big_Japan]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/13/ironic-timing-today-first-load-of-10000-syrian-refugees-has-arrived-in-new-orleans-all-single-males-18-30-years-old/

First load of 10k syrians dropped at my beloved city and dispersed TODAY. And people still not sure whether to call all islamic terrorism in the west "false flags".

We take our fucking shoes off and have our naked bodies scanned like slaves in the name of "security" but the security impact here is out of bounds for discussion? Can't imagine what how random and insanely incompetent this world must appear to those still trying to fit the daily datapoints into the telavivision narrative.

[iruinedyourday]

if they want to continue living their medieval bombing, honor-killing, female-subjugating disgusting lifestyles, they are more than welcome to fuck off out of the middle east they hate so much. Go back to AD 700 and have a nice life.

here let me translate that for you.

holy shit i like didnt have to change ANY words to make it sound exactly like something a moderate Muslim in the middle east would say.

the only thing I hcanged was goat fucking to bombing... and it applies to america just as well.. Gross.

Dont you see how evil begets evil and nobody who hates Muslim is any better than a moderate Muslim that hates westerners?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

moderate Muslim

Stop making up phrases.

[Swish]

I don't like war and I never said anything about purging the world of muslims. That being said... if they want to continue living their medieval goat-fucking, honor-killing, female-subjugating disgusting lifestyles, they are more than welcome to fuck off out of the western world they hate so much. Go back to AD 700 and have a nice life.

https://media.giphy.com/media/qIXVd1RoKGqlO/giphy.gif

Agree 100%. What's funny is how quiet the feminists are on this issue, considering that women will be covered from head to toe and sent back a couple of centuries after being allowed to vote, work, go to school, etc etc.

The only people you're allowed to hate without any recourse are white guys, apparently.

[Sidelle]

https://media.giphy.com/media/qIXVd1RoKGqlO/giphy.gif

Agree 100%. What's funny is how quiet the feminists are on this issue, considering that women will be covered from head to toe and sent back a couple of centuries after being allowed to vote, work, go to school, etc etc.

The only people you're allowed to hate without any recourse are white guys, apparently.
Check out my ride. Lol

https://tkcollier.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/saudiwomencandrivenow.jpg?w=460&h=261

Yeah, I don't understand feminists nowadays. Whatever happened to just wanting equality? Those hairy-armpitted bitches are an embarrassment to the rest of us and they definitely don't represent me and my views as a modern woman.

[Sidelle]

here let me translate that for you.

holy shit i like didnt have to change ANY words to make it sound exactly like something a moderate Muslim in the middle east would say.

the only thing I hcanged was goat fucking to bombing... and it applies to america just as well.. Gross.

Dont you see how evil begets evil and nobody who hates Muslim is any better than a moderate Muslim that hates westerners?

I like my original post better, but thx for your efforts. :D I can't help but wonder, though... why do you hate your own country and countrymen so much? It's not just this thread, btw. You've been known to say some pretty nasty shit about America in general. Granted, there are lots of things about us that deserve criticism and needs to change. We aren't perfect, but our system of government vs. Sharia Law?... no fucking contest.

I'd really like to understand how you ended up becoming so sympathetic to those that would happily decapitate us all with butter knives if they got the chance.

[iruinedyourday]

why do you hate your own country and countrymen so much? It's not just this thread, btw. You've been known to say some pretty nasty shit about America in general. Granted, there are lots of things about us that deserve criticism and needs to change. We aren't perfect, but our system of government vs. Sharia Law?... no fucking contest.

I'd really like to understand how you ended up becoming so sympathetic to those that would happily decapitate us all with butter knives if they got the chance.

I dont hate america at all, I love america very much. That's why I'm so vocal about this stuff.

I hate when people say someone is evil for doing one thing, while they themselves are doing the same thing. I hate that this very thread is full of blind rage against Muslims. violent hate towards a faceless monster that this type of bigotry creates.

You posted a quote that could SO EASILY be the definition for why any normal moderate working class non ji-hadist Muslims would hate you or me.

I dont think wars on 'things' help anybody. Religion is a 'thing' you cant declare war on it, you cant hate it away. you just cant.

Nobody here is really asking themselves, 'why is this happening?' they're just reactiing instinctively without really thinking about it.

So no progress can be made.

I also hate bigotry and people that use it as a way to attack and harm other people.

I am disappointed in our country for a lot of reasons, firstly we should know better. We should KNOW that investing in Americans is the right thing to do, attacking people for not having a job or not being a job creator isnt right. Im disappointed in conservative ideals because they're designed to use bigotry and instinctive hate to promote ideals that make bad individuals more money.

So what I hate is our nations economic policy. But thats just something that bad people have tricked us into thinking is "american" and I hate people that trick other people into doing things even more.

Sidelle I love america, I just hate what bigotry ignorance and hate can do to it.

This is just like when quentin tarantino said we should call a murderer a murderer and call a murder a murder... people who are more conservitive just changed what he said into saying, 'all cops are murderers'

I think the war on terror has done FAR MORE HARM than good. It has created ISIS it has made them cut peoples heads off. And if you want to do it again? Im not going to let you.

[Big_Japan]

I dont hate america at all, I love america very much. That's why I'm so vocal about this stuff.

I hate when people say someone is evil for doing one thing, while they themselves are doing the same thing. I hate that this very thread is full of blind rage against Muslims. violent hate towards a faceless monster that this type of bigotry creates.

You posted a quote that could SO EASILY be the definition for why any normal moderate working class non ji-hadist Muslims would hate you or me.

I dont think wars on 'things' help anybody. Religion is a 'thing' you cant declare war on it, you cant hate it away. you just cant.

Nobody here is really asking themselves, 'why is this happening?' they're just reactiing instinctively without really thinking about it.

So no progress can be made.

I also hate bigotry and people that use it as a way to attack and harm other people.

I am disappointed in our country for a lot of reasons, firstly we should know better. We should KNOW that investing in Americans is the right thing to do, attacking people for not having a job or not being a job creator isnt right. Im disappointed in conservative ideals because they're designed to use bigotry and instinctive hate to promote ideals that make bad individuals more money.

So what I hate is our nations economic policy. But thats just something that bad people have tricked us into thinking is "american" and I hate people that trick other people into doing things even more.

Sidelle I love america, I just hate what bigotry ignorance and hate can do to it.

This is just like when quentin tarantino said we should call a murderer a murderer and call a murder a murder... people who are more conservitive just changed what he said into saying, 'all cops are murderers'

I think the war on terror has done FAR MORE HARM than good. It has created ISIS it has made them cut peoples heads off. And if you want to do it again? Im not going to let you.

lets be real** if u took the time to read this, u got problems

[iruinedyourday]

drugs

[Kyff]

The necessities for winning this type of war will be Manhattan Project-tier budgets for big data analysis, mass surveillance, and domestic propaganda research initiatives and the concentration of the omniscient power of God in the hands of those who created this "problem" in the first place.

Where did you spend the last years? The NSA has these kind of things and still failed to prevent a single attack. I wonder why despite these failures people still think more surveillance would bring better results. It might be a better idea to dissolve this entity and use the free budget to alleviate the lives of arabs.

[Big_Japan]

Where did you spend the last years? The NSA has these kind of things and still failed to prevent a single attack. I wonder why despite these failures people still think more surveillance would bring better results. It might be a better idea to dissolve this entity and use the free budget to alleviate the lives of arabs.

I don't think you grasp the actual point of surveillance on a global scale, let alone what I'm trying to say. It has little to do with individuals, and everything to do with scientifically refining the media apparatus to get the optimal outcome on the population-scale for those granted access to the data. All the NSA really has at present is vast stores of information; big data science hasn't moved beyond its infancy yet.

"Trying to prevent attacks" is an exceedingly thin justification for the real purpose of the Utah data center. In reality, the only serious mechanism for mass surveillance to improve security is by ensuring greater compliance and contentment with the prevailing social order through the scientific refinement of the psyops and propaganda techniques used to generate that image of society.

As Zuckerberg has said "give me a large enough dataset and I can predict the future". But even this falls short of describing what this power means for the state, who controls enough of the info distribution apparatus that they can use that data to predict and control the future. It's the power of God, granted to sick megalomaniacs, as predicted in pretty much every book of eschatology since humans started thinking about the inevitable outcome of advancing civilization and technology. Our preachers and priests talked about this shit at one time; maybe that's why we've been conditioned to laugh at everything they say, while simultaneously burying ourselves in total ignorance to all but the most superficial aspects of science and naturalism.

Nazis and Soviets had propaganda artists, perhaps of great talent but nonetheless limited to the realm of artistry. Mass psychology and propaganda will become the most revolutionary sciences in human history once we unlock the secrets hidden in the huge troves of data we are accumulating now year-by-year. "Big data" is the future. We're really overdue for a modern 1984/BNW that takes looming technology into account so the average unimaginative pleb can fathom the thousand-foot demon standing over us now. It's the greatest revolution in relations between ruler and serf ever, by far. I can't imagine another technology having larger implications for society until nanomachines and programmable environments.

[iruinedyourday]

Where did you spend the last years? The NSA has these kind of things and still failed to prevent a single attack. I wonder why despite these failures people still think more surveillance would bring better results. It might be a better idea to dissolve this entity and use the free budget to alleviate the lives of arabs.

Who ever said dark elves were evil

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't think you grasp the actual point of surveillance on a global scale, let alone what I'm trying to say. It has little to do with individuals, and everything to do with scientifically refining the media apparatus to get the optimal outcome on the population-scale for those granted access to the data. All the NSA really has at present is vast stores of information; big data science hasn't moved beyond its infancy yet.

"Trying to prevent attacks" is an exceedingly thin justification for the real purpose of the Utah data center. In reality, the only serious mechanism for mass surveillance to improve security is by ensuring greater compliance and contentment with the prevailing social order through the scientific refinement of the psyops and propaganda techniques used to generate that image of society.

As Zuckerberg has said "give me a large enough dataset and I can predict the future". But even this falls short of describing what this power means for the state, who controls enough of the info distribution apparatus that they can use that data to predict and control the future. It's the power of God, granted to sick megalomaniacs, as predicted in pretty much every book of eschatology since humans started thinking about the inevitable outcome of advancing civilization and technology. Our preachers and priests talked about this shit at one time; maybe that's why we've been conditioned to laugh at everything they say, while simultaneously burying ourselves in total ignorance to all but the most superficial aspects of science and naturalism.

Nazis and Soviets had propaganda artists, perhaps of great talent but nonetheless limited to the realm of artistry. Mass psychology and propaganda will become the most revolutionary sciences in human history once we unlock the secrets hidden in the huge troves of data we are accumulating now year-by-year. "Big data" is the future. We're really overdue for a modern 1984/BNW that takes looming technology into account so the average unimaginative pleb can fathom the thousand-foot demon standing over us now. It's the greatest revolution in relations between ruler and serf ever, by far. I can't imagine another technology having larger implications for society until nanomachines and programmable environments.


5 Star post. The P99 forum is unworthy of such insight, but I am sure you already knew that.

If you are anything like me, then exercising your own mind comes first, the post itself is secondary.

[Orruar]

when you cant win an argument cry racist?

I wish the people that hated me weren't racist shit heads so i could feel bad about it.

[Orruar]

Where did you spend the last years? The NSA has these kind of things and still failed to prevent a single attack. I wonder why despite these failures people still think more surveillance would bring better results. It might be a better idea to dissolve this entity and use the free budget to alleviate the lives of arabs.

Algorithms for analyzing data are constantly being developed and improved. We are a ways off yet from having the capabilities BigJap was describing. If we end up in an actual fight for our survival, and not just a series of small localized conflicts, then you'll see the fledgling multi-billion dollar AI industry expanded greatly by government funding.

[sOurDieSel]

Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization. These people aren't refugees. They just want all the free givezmedat. They travel through numerous 'safe' countries to get to places like Germany, Sweden and the UK where they get a lot more of the free givezmedat. There are plenty of wealthy Muslim countries are the same distance or closer in some instances yet they CHOOSE to go to European countries. Why isn't the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.. doing their part to take in 'refugees'?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-arabia-100000-empty-tents-ac-3-million-people-refugees/

Why doesn't Saudi Arabia fill up some of those tents and help their Muslim brothers out?

[Raev]

This makes me wonder if it was a false flag attack and/or planted later. What kind of retard suicide bomber brings their passport just to make a point? Not to mention, how did they ensure it would survive the explosion unscathed?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-syrian-passport-found-near-attacker-may-be-fake-1528823

The Syrian passport recovered from near one of the Paris attackers may be fake, a US intelligence official told CBS news. The document did not contain the correct numbers for a legitimate Syrian passport and the picture did not match the name, said the official.

etc

[Kyff]

I don't think you grasp the actual point of surveillance on a global scale, let alone what I'm trying to say. It has little to do with individuals, and everything to do with scientifically refining the media apparatus to get the optimal outcome on the population-scale for those granted access to the data. All the NSA really has at present is vast stores of information; big data science hasn't moved beyond its infancy yet.

"Trying to prevent attacks" is an exceedingly thin justification for the real purpose of the Utah data center. In reality, the only serious mechanism for mass surveillance to improve security is by ensuring greater compliance and contentment with the prevailing social order through the scientific refinement of the psyops and propaganda techniques used to generate that image of society.

As Zuckerberg has said "give me a large enough dataset and I can predict the future". But even this falls short of describing what this power means for the state, who controls enough of the info distribution apparatus that they can use that data to predict and control the future. It's the power of God, granted to sick megalomaniacs, as predicted in pretty much every book of eschatology since humans started thinking about the inevitable outcome of advancing civilization and technology. Our preachers and priests talked about this shit at one time; maybe that's why we've been conditioned to laugh at everything they say, while simultaneously burying ourselves in total ignorance to all but the most superficial aspects of science and naturalism.

Nazis and Soviets had propaganda artists, perhaps of great talent but nonetheless limited to the realm of artistry. Mass psychology and propaganda will become the most revolutionary sciences in human history once we unlock the secrets hidden in the huge troves of data we are accumulating now year-by-year. "Big data" is the future. We're really overdue for a modern 1984/BNW that takes looming technology into account so the average unimaginative pleb can fathom the thousand-foot demon standing over us now. It's the greatest revolution in relations between ruler and serf ever, by far. I can't imagine another technology having larger implications for society until nanomachines and programmable environments.

I'm glad you also think that 'prevention of attacs' is an insufficient justification for the invasion of our privacy. Why you think it would be beneficial to extend this invasion is beyond me.

I don't need any new utopia to know what's wrong with this assumption. By the way I seriously doubt that Mr. Zuckerberg will be able to correctly predict anything. The fascination for these new kinds of social networking has so far eluded me.

[Nastinate]

This shit happens in the middle east and africa every day. We all look like a buncha of asshole's when all of a sudden we give a fuck because it happens to us.

[Orruar]

This shit happens in the middle east and africa every day. We all look like a buncha of asshole's when all of a sudden we give a fuck because it happens to us.

We're assholes because we care about things that affect us more than things that don't? Biology is an asshole then, because every single organism has evolved to be more concerned about its survival than the survival of some other organism on the other side of the world.

[Nastinate]

Yeah dude what you just said makes you an asshole

[Smedy]

the modern world just need to ban all practice of religion at this point, especially islam, it's the most evil out of the main ones but ban all of it, any radical beliefs based on some story made up by some guy 3000 years ago is dumb as fuck

check this With Open Gates Video (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/), it's a little bit fear mongering but a lot of it in there is true.

[Lune]

This shit happens in the middle east and africa every day. We all look like a buncha of asshole's when all of a sudden we give a fuck because it happens to us.

You work hard to build a wonderful, beautiful house on a hill, with a verdant garden and well kept lawn, with ornate decorations and plenty of rooms. Due to your hard work, your bathrooms are cleaner than your neighbors kitchens. There is trust in your family, everyone generally follows the rules, and each family member usually cares for one another.

Your neighbor is constantly fighting with his friends and family; violent bloody brawls that spill over into neighboring houses and trash their property. He isn't lazy or stupid, but instead of channeling his energy into building a prosperous life and improving his property, he tries to take shortcuts. Their kids rarely care about staying in school and the girls aren't even allowed to go. There is a lack of trust in his household, and the social bonds between family members are tenuous at best as they barricade their rooms, brutalize each other, and disrespect the rules of their own house.

Eventually they look up at your house and decide they are going to leave their homes in search of a better life at your house. Once there, one of them brutally murders your daughter.

Of course we care more when it happens to us. When you see some idiot parent with two spoiled rotten hyperactive kids who destroy everything they encounter, do you go to their household and start parenting for them? What about when you're forced to adopt one of those kids and they terrorize your family? Can you honestly tell me you care more for foreign strangers than your family?

The fact that you expect everyone else to care just as much for foreign people, whose problems we aren't even capable of solving for them, as your own countrymen, just demonstrates the extent to which you're willing to ignore history, sociology, and simple basic reason. Western society didn't happen on accident, it's the result of a legacy of hard work, good values, trust, compassion, and plenty of mistakes. It doesn't make us assholes to build a beautiful life and then be angry when some slob comes and shits on it.

[Lune]

That was a really dumb analogy.

Why?

[iruinedyourday]

5 Star post. The P99 forum is unworthy of such insight, but I am sure you already knew that.

If you are anything like me, then exercising your own mind comes first, the post itself is secondary.

You know it's funny that you guys talk about propaganda a 1984 and all this shit about how our governments going to use all of its computers powers to convince us all to do shit that they want us to do.

All while posting a threat that is 100% bullshit propaganda to get you to hate an enemy that our country has invested everything in killing.

Big J is like one of those people that smart enough and has either completely given up and is now trying to make the world burn, or he's just some weird troll like I said I can't fucking figure this guy out.

[myriverse]

You work hard to build a... blahblahblah
"You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine..."

[Nastinate]

You work hard to build a wonderful, beautiful house on a hill, with a verdant garden and well kept lawn, with ornate decorations and plenty of rooms. Due to your hard work, your bathrooms are cleaner than your neighbors kitchens. There is trust in your family, everyone generally follows the rules, and each family member usually cares for one another.

Your neighbor is constantly fighting with his friends and family; violent bloody brawls that spill over into neighboring houses and trash their property. He isn't lazy or stupid, but instead of channeling his energy into building a prosperous life and improving his property, he tries to take shortcuts. There is a lack of trust in his household, and the social bonds between family members are tenuous at best as they barricade their rooms, brutalize each other, and disrespect the rules of their own house.

Eventually they look up at your house and decide they are going to leave their homes in search of a better life at your house. Once there, one of them brutally murders your daughter.

Of course we care more when it happens to us. When you see some idiot parent with two spoiled rotten hyperactive kids who destroy everything they encounter, do you go to their household and start parenting for them? What about when you're forced to adopt one of those kids and they terrorize your family? Can you honestly tell me you care more for foreign strangers than your family?

The fact that you expect everyone else to care just as much for foreign people, whose problems we aren't even capable of solving for them, as your own countrymen, just demonstrates the extent to which you're willing to ignore history, sociology, and simple basic reason. Western society didn't happen on accident, it's the result of a legacy of hard work, good values, trust, compassion, and plenty of mistakes. It doesn't make us assholes to build a beautiful life and then be angry when some slob comes and shits on it. You left out the part about going over to his house for 60 years wreaking the place and telling him how to live. You make it sound like we are all over here minding our own business. That is exactly the opposite of reality.

Heres an analogy for ya.

Man the Akbah's house has really looked like shit since I had accidently lite the garage on fire the last 4th of july bbq. They need to put up some new siding and paint that fucker. And whats with him and his wife fighting all the time, I only fucked her once. Gonna go over there and set this right. He better not lock the door again, my foots still bruised from kicking it in the last time.


How about you pick up a history book and read about the middle eastern governments and society pre WW2 before the west got involved. We have destabilized the entire region to the point where mass killings happen on a daily basis.

Eventually they look up at your house and decide they are going to leave their homes in search of a better life at your house. He's been watching us drive to work everyday off oil wells we planted on his front lawn and sipping starbucks we could afford, you know with gas prices these days.

[Lune]

You left out the part about going over to his house for 60 years wreaking the place and telling him how to live. You make it sound like we are all over here minding our own business. That is exactly the opposite of reality.

Heres an analogy for ya.

Man the Akbah's house has really looked like shit since I had accidently lite the garage on fire the last 4th of july bbq. They need to put up some new siding and paint that fucker. And whats with him and his wife fighting all the time, I only fucked her once. Gonna go over there and set this right. He better not lock the door again, my foots still bruised from kicking it in the last time.


How about you pick up a history book and read about the middle eastern governments and society pre WW2 before the west got involved. We have destabilized the entire region to the point where mass killings happen on a daily basis.

He's been watching us drive to work everyday off oil wells we planted on his front lawn and sipping starbucks we could afford, you know with gas prices these days.

Yep, blame whitey. Oh wait, we went over and fucked up China and Japan too, and they are doing just fine. And 1,000 years ago, Europe was ravaged by powerful Muslim civilizations who went as far as Vienna and the Pyranees. How did we ever recover from the victimization!?!?! England and the Norman coast from viking rampages? How did pretty much the entire Eurasian world ever recover from being utterly raped by Genghis Khan and the Mongols? Europe was wreckage after World War II. World War I decimated an entire generation of men. Does Spain blame their problems on the Moors for occupying most of their country for hundreds of years? Get real.

It's so much easier to blame someone else for your problems than to take responsibility for them. Every other human society has demonstrated resiliency, so it's not an excuse.

Truth is, the Middle East was a backwards retrograde clusterfuck before we arrived, during, and after. They declined on their own when Europe adopted Enlightenment ideals and they didn't. Iraq and Afghanistan weren't some idyllic paradises before white devils showed up. Ethiopia was never even colonized.

[Nastinate]

It's so much easier to blame someone else for your problems than to take responsibility for them. Every other human society has demonstrated resiliency, so it's not an excuse. Exactly

[Lune]

Exactly

No, what you're advocating is us taking responsibility for their problems. The white guilt levels required to look at the murder of 129 innocent civilians as our fault are astounding.

[iruinedyourday]

No, what you're advocating is us taking responsibility for their problems. The white guilt levels required to look at the murder of 129 innocent civilians as our fault are astounding.

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/04/Fog-War-US-Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

[Raev]

No, what you're advocating is us taking responsibility for their problems. The white guilt levels required to look at the murder of 129 innocent civilians as our fault are astounding.

Do you not understand that the US government has played an instrumental role in the Syrian civil war by funding and training the rebels? That we have done the same in Libya? This isn't comparable to some Viking raid that happened a thousand years ago. US imperialism is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in the past five years. All so we could have an oil pipeline through Syria to Europe from Saudi Arabia rather than Iran so the corporations that run our government can make more money.

Would Muslim Arabia be a shining beacon of liberalism without Western interference? Of course not. But to imply that the US and the West are blameless here is pretty hypocritical.

[AzzarTheGod]

the modern world just need to ban all practice of religion at this point, especially islam, it's the most evil out of the main ones but ban all of it, any radical beliefs based on some story made up by some guy 3000 years ago is dumb as fuck

check this With Open Gates Video (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/), it's a little bit fear mongering but a lot of it in there is true.

Ohhh No!!!! An Anders Brevik follower!! Arrest him.

Smedy unpatriotic and islamaphobic!

[iruinedyourday]

To be fair smedy is a scandanavia neo nazi internet nerd.

[AzzarTheGod]

To be fair smedy is a scandanavia neo nazi internet nerd.

The neo nazi part was brand new to me.

I wonder how many letters Smedy has exchanged with Brevik at this point?

[Nastinate]

I am advocating we accept responsibility for our problems and that we have empathy for thier's. We tell them how to live but don't give a fuck if they die. They know this. and they fucking hate us for it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/04/Fog-War-US-Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Lune would be happier never hearing about the middle east ever again.
Unfortunately the reality is that Islam by nature will attempt to subvert and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

[iruinedyourday]

and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

oh yea and our join or die largest military force on the planet shooting missles arming psycotics while sheltered nerds post GET EM GET EM on the internet ad nauseam isnt identical.

[AzzarTheGod]

Unfortunately the reality is that Islam by nature will attempt to subvert and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

It just isn't ready for primetime.

Sharia is anti-capitalist. Moderates passively supporting Sharia are the issue were trying to tackle with integration. If we can turn enough moderates against Sharia then Islam won't need a Reformation into the new age. Governments are operating under the belief that many do assimilate, there was a good article on UK Islamic immigration regarding certain neighborhoods and cities beliefs and behavior in a recent issue of the Economist periodical.

The Economist is a great periodical for current world issues and news I'd highly recommend it btw. Its incredibly well edited, no spin, and the economic lens is undetectable in its articles. Its not what you would think by the name of the periodical.

[Lune]

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/04/Fog-War-US-Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

Do you not understand that the US government has played an instrumental role in the Syrian civil war by funding and training the rebels? That we have done the same in Libya? This isn't comparable to some Viking raid that happened a thousand years ago. US imperialism is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in the past five years. All so we could have an oil pipeline through Syria to Europe from Saudi Arabia rather than Iran so the corporations that run our government can make more money.

Would Muslim Arabia be a shining beacon of liberalism without Western interference? Of course not. But to imply that the US and the West are blameless here is pretty hypocritical.

I know this. Do you think I want the US to have anything to do with the Middle East? You think I don't know our foreign policy is completely retarded?

No matter what the cause, we have a responsibility to defend the West from terrorism. And given Muslim values, I'd be willing to bet that even if we hadn't interfered in the Middle East historically, Westerners would still be dying to extremists today. Dutch and French cartoonists were killed simply for drawing a cartoon.

And IYRD if you want to call me a racist why don't you explain to me why this isn't true:

One is a religion that heavily influences many cultures.

The other is a race.

Also nobody is saying all Muslims are terrorists, only that (for the 10th time this thread) Islamic cultures tend to be more conducive to religious violence. I take issue with the behaviors and beliefs that characterize these cultures, and I will explain why.

I feel like, even though when I took Anthropology I had cultural relativism drilled into my head and I believed it for years, you seriously need to bring yourself to understand culture. Understand the difference between culture and race, and the profound extent to which someone's culture influences the course of their life, and how it can evolve over time.

Consider the basic essence of what culture is:

There are two groups of humans living in a forest. Group A reveres fire, and devotes all its spare time to worshiping and experimenting with fire. Group B reveres wood, and spends its time worshiping trees and making things out of wood. Over several generations, due to group A's obsession with fire, they discover that if you put certain rocks in the fire, they will melt and make metal. Over a few more generations, they discover that you can shape this metal into a sharp, durable point that makes an incredible weapon or tool.

Group B, in spite of being just as ingenious as group A, are limited by the fact that wood simply doesn't have as many wondrous applications as metal. Due to their amazing new tools and weapons, group A is able to build a more complex society and their metal utterly outclasses group B in warfare and industry. Group A conquers group B and integrates/destroys their culture.

Group A and B are the same race of people, but which group was better at surviving in the forest? Why? How is this any different than one culture that highly values scientific exploration or educational attainment, and one that values pleasure and relaxation? Which one is going to achieve more? Are both cultures just as suitable for building a successful, advanced civilization?

Now apply this to the present situation. In the West, we endeavor to give our women many of the same rights as our men. Most Muslim cultures believe women should remain in the household with specific gender roles and limited rights. This is a Sharia provision. Pure cultural relativism says both these approaches have equal merit. I believe that is not true. I believe it's objectively better to give women rights, and I think societies that give their women rights end up being better societies. Now apply this to the full range of behaviors and beliefs that culture encompasses:

Political cartoons, educational attainment, courtship, how you treat the elderly, what age you should be when you have kids, how much you trust your neighbors, your faith in the government, your goals in life and the afterlife, dining customs. None of these things are dictated by your race, but by your culture. When you express disfavor for certain combinations of these things, you're expressing disfavor for a culture, not a race

Do you think it's fine that women aren't allowed to drive in many Middle Eastern countries, that they have minimal rights, often can't get an education, go out alone, or seek their own path in life? How would you like it if I called you racist because you disagreed with this treatment of women? As a very secular person, I disagree profoundly with the Sharia values that are so often part of Islamic cultures, and it pains me to watch a culture that I prefer make concessions and change itself to accommodate one that I dislike. Christian cultures, mainly in the West, tend to be more secular. Muslim cultures tend to be more fundamentalist. I'm a highly secular person. Even though not all Muslims are fundamentalist, a more fundamentalist culture is going to, on average, produce more fundamentalist people. Why the fuck would I approve of that culture? Not all Muslims are violent extremists, but most Muslims support Sharia law. Fuck that.

Cultural relativism is bullshit. Mulitculturalism, being founded on cultural relativism, is also bullshit.

[Jahdu]

http://bit.ly/1SrYC2z Very good summation of the situation in the Middle East.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It just isn't ready for primetime.

Sharia is anti-capitalist. Moderates passively supporting Sharia are the issue were trying to tackle with integration. If we can turn enough moderates against Sharia then Islam won't need a Reformation into the new age. Governments are operating under the belief that many do assimilate, there was a good article on UK Islamic immigration regarding certain neighborhoods and cities beliefs and behavior in a recent issue of the Economist periodical.

The Economist is a great periodical for current world issues and news I'd highly recommend it btw. Its incredibly well edited, no spin, and the economic lens is undetectable in its articles. Its not what you would think by the name of the periodical.

"Moderates "

The latest polling showed something like 80% of your precious "moderate muslims" want religion removed from freedom of speech. They want even questioning Islam to be a crime.

[Sidelle]

That was a really dumb analogy. Also, Americans false sense of patriotism sickens me.
What do you mean by "false sense of patriotism"? I actually do love America. Some things are turning to shit but I still have hope and believe we can overcome the problems. I can't think of any other place I'd rather live, how about you?

P.S. I never thought I would say this, but.. I love you, Lune! Good posts.

Lol

[AzzarTheGod]

Dutch and French cartoonists were killed simply for drawing a cartoon.


"simply drawing a cartoon." Maybe to some basement dweller who is disrespectful it is.

In Brazil they have a saying. "You have respect in Brazil, you keep your teeth." You need to respect some things.

"Satire" is for politicians and politics. It is not to spit on revered and hallowed religious beliefs.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

oh yea and our join or die largest military force on the planet shooting missles arming psycotics while sheltered nerds post GET EM GET EM on the internet ad nauseam isnt identical.

There gets a point where enough is enough. They gave integration a try, it failed miserably, about as miserably as communism.

They can have their Islam, just keep it the fuck away from civilized society and if they try to subvert us again they should be responded to appropriately like any other disease would be dealt with.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

"simply drawing a cartoon." Maybe to some basement dweller who is disrespectful it is.

In Brazil they have a saying. "You have respect in Brazil, you keep your teeth." You need to respect some things.

"Satire" is for politicians and politics. It is not to spit on revered and hallowed religious beliefs.

You don't like freedom of speech/expression? Get the fuck out.

[iruinedyourday]

There gets a point where enough is enough. They gave integration a try, it failed miserably

You are just completely out of your element on this topic.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You are just completely out of your element on this topic.

Considering it's you making that claim, I'm only more confidant that I'm correct.

Or I can be like you and ignore 1400 years of history.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Just remember the pandering last night at the #Demdebate as you read the #fuckparis hashtag being used by #BlackLivesMatter

[iruinedyourday]

What claim am i making? I literatly understand like 1/10th of your posts and its not because they are too intellectual.

[Smedy]

To be fair smedy is a scandanavia neo nazi internet nerd.

if i'm labeled as a nazi for being against an ideology where women are treated like cattle and for centuries led people to war, so be it.... who the fuck cares about skin color? this is about a belief that you get 72 virgins if you blow yourself up in a crowd of non-believers.

allah akbar

[iruinedyourday]

“All [or most] Muslims are terrorists.”
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. The much-discussed ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) organization, which has been described as the “richest terrorist group in the world” can only field between 7,000 and 15,000 troops in its battle to create a fundamentalist homeland. Even taking the highest estimate of their troop strength means that fewer than 1 out of every 106,000 Muslims from all over the world are actually willing to take up arms and fight for the fundamentalist dream. The Iraqi army, however, can field 250,000 soldiers to fight against that fundamentalist vision. That figure does not include irregular forces allied to the Iraqi army. The premise that all Muslims are terrorists falls flat by a mere study of the numbers. It isn’t a majority of Muslims. It isn’t even 1% of Muslims.

http://theantimedia.org/propaganda-and-islam-what-youre-not-being-told/

The short answer is yall are sheep and you clap when the man with the fish tells you to.

[Sidelle]

It just isn't ready for primetime.

Sharia is anti-capitalist. Moderates passively supporting Sharia are the issue were trying to tackle with integration. If we can turn enough moderates against Sharia then Islam won't need a Reformation into the new age. Governments are operating under the belief that many do assimilate, there was a good article on UK Islamic immigration regarding certain neighborhoods and cities beliefs and behavior in a recent issue of the Economist periodical.

The Economist is a great periodical for current world issues and news I'd highly recommend it btw. Its incredibly well edited, no spin, and the economic lens is undetectable in its articles. Its not what you would think by the name of the periodical.
Sadly, there will never be enough moderates turning away from Sharia Law to make a real difference in integration. Ever.

[Sidelle]

IRYD -- I must have missed the part of this discussion where someone said all muslims are terrorists.. Wtf are you even talking about? :confused:

[iruinedyourday]

IRYD -- I must have missed the part of this discussion where someone said all muslims are terrorists.. Wtf are you even talking about? :confused:

you quoted a post by mr sparkle yourself that said even moderate muslims want to cut your head off.

then you said:

BINGO! LOL
I hate to break it to people, but the majority of muslims -- including the so-called "moderates" -- believe in and want Sharia law implemented everywhere. "Religion of peace" (my ass)... And if you think Christians are bad when it comes to shoving their beliefs down people's throats, just wait til the muslims get ahold of you. Convert or die, motherfuckers.

[Lune]

“All [or most] Muslims are terrorists.”
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. The much-discussed ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) organization, which has been described as the “richest terrorist group in the world” can only field between 7,000 and 15,000 troops in its battle to create a fundamentalist homeland. Even taking the highest estimate of their troop strength means that fewer than 1 out of every 106,000 Muslims from all over the world are actually willing to take up arms and fight for the fundamentalist dream. The Iraqi army, however, can field 250,000 soldiers to fight against that fundamentalist vision. That figure does not include irregular forces allied to the Iraqi army. The premise that all Muslims are terrorists falls flat by a mere study of the numbers. It isn’t a majority of Muslims. It isn’t even 1% of Muslims.

http://theantimedia.org/propaganda-and-islam-what-youre-not-being-told/

The short answer is yall are sheep and you clap when the man with the fish tells you to.

What a useless point and wasteful post. Nobody here is saying terrorists are even close to being the majority of Muslims, as I've said before, that would be stupid.

However, the majority of Muslims, including huge proportions of immigrant populations, support Sharia law in their host countries.

[AzzarTheGod]

You don't like freedom of speech/expression? Get the fuck out.

I am saying I don't stomp all over snakes and then cry victim when I get bit.

It seems many people supporting the "satire" of Islam under the free speech argument don't have any revered religious icons in their own lives (Atheists, Agnostics, Nihilists). This does not surprise me. As "Free speech" reeks of a sheltered Western Orientalist argument for these non-religious folks. And it sounds ridiculous.

Satire was traditionally reserved for public figures and matters of government. Wholesale bashing and slandering of a religion makes free speech look bad. Just like the criminal who is using free speech as his defense after making vicious felony threats. Bad bad bad.

You need to respect some things in life.

[iruinedyourday]

What a useless point and wasteful post. Nobody here is saying terrorists are even close to being the majority of Muslims, as I've said before, that would be stupid.


Hmm funny that you say you dont think the majroity of muslims are terrorists then you say

However, the majority of Muslims, including huge proportions of immigrant populations, support Sharia law in their host countries.

http://media4.giphy.com/media/l14qxlCgJ0zUk/giphy.gif

IRYD -- I must have missed the part of this discussion where someone said all muslims are terrorists.. Wtf are you even talking about? :confused:

you quoted a post by mr sparkle yourself that said even moderate muslims want to cut your head off.

then you said:

BINGO! LOL
I hate to break it to people, but the majority of muslims -- including the so-called "moderates" -- believe in and want Sharia law implemented everywhere. "Religion of peace" (my ass)... And if you think Christians are bad when it comes to shoving their beliefs down people's throats, just wait til the muslims get ahold of you. Convert or die, motherfuckers.

[Lune]

you quoted a post by mr sparkle yourself that said even moderate muslims want to cut your head off.

then you said:

... She said the majority support Sharia, not that the majority are terrorists. Although the two concepts often converge. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/?wp_login_redirect=0)

Are you an atheist IRYD? Do you have any idea what Sharia law says about atheists? Or even 'heretics' for that matter? And that the majority of Muslims are in favor of Sharia? Something tells me you don't even know what Sharia is and you just think it's something we are saying to be racist against poor innocent Muslims.

[AzzarTheGod]

if i'm labeled as a nazi for being against an ideology where women are treated like cattle and for centuries led people to war, so be it.... who the fuck cares about skin color? this is about a belief that you get 72 virgins if you blow yourself up in a crowd of non-believers.

allah akbar

Which drawer do you keep Brevik's manifesto in?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I am saying I don't stomp all over snakes and then cry victim when I get bit.

It seems many people supporting the "satire" of Islam under the free speech argument don't have any revered religious icons in their own lives (Atheists, Agnostics, Nihilists). This does not surprise me. As "Free speech" reeks of a sheltered Western Orientalist argument for these non-religious folks. And it sounds ridiculous.

Satire was traditionally reserved for public figures and matters of government. Wholesale bashing and slandering of a religion makes free speech look bad. Just like the criminal who is using free speech as his defense after making vicious felony threats. Bad bad bad.

You need to respect some things in life.

If it happened in Saudi Arabia you *might* have a point. However it didn't, it happened in France, a western nation that has western values. Values that millions have sacrificed their lives to maintain.

You wouldn't happen to be a university student would you?

I pity you that you actually think there should be exceptions where one of the two most important pillars of all modern society are concerned.

[Sidelle]

IRYD -- I believe you're confusing Sharia Law and terrorism.

Just borrowing this for a minute. What Lune said.
... She said the majority support Sharia, not that the majority are terrorists. Although the two concepts often converge. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/?wp_login_redirect=0)

Are you an atheist IRYD? Do you have any idea what Sharia law says about atheists? Or even 'heretics' for that matter? And that the majority of Muslims are in favor of Sharia? Something tells me you don't even know what Sharia is and you just think it's something we are saying to be racist against poor innocent Muslims.

[myriverse]

"simply drawing a cartoon." Maybe to some basement dweller who is disrespectful it is.

In Brazil they have a saying. "You have respect in Brazil, you keep your teeth." You need to respect some things.

"Satire" is for politicians and politics. It is not to spit on revered and hallowed religious beliefs.
Bull-fucking-shit. Satire is for everything and everyone, especially hallowed religious icons. If you think otherwise, you know nothing about what it is.

[iruinedyourday]

IRYD -- I believe you're confusing Sharia Law and terrorism.

Just borrowing this for a minute. What Lune said.

I think you might be the one that is confusing the two.

In responce to saying someone saying, 'even moderate muslims want to cut your head off' you say "BINGO LOL! the majority of muslims want Sharia law implemented everywhere. "Religion of peace" (my ass)."

Im sorry but if someone is saying every moderate Muslim wants to cut your head off you say BINGO and then change the wording around to shira law, and follow it by saying (peacful religion my ass) you are very obviously saying all Muslims are terrorists

and if you arnt aware at how overtly racist you sound, let me try to tell you, you are being overtly racist.

oh yea and one more thing you paint shira law believers as terrists in EVERY description of them

NO i am not afraid of shira law

im not afraid of terrorists

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Sweden Yes! (http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/201527/feminist-hijab-solidarity-bruce-bawer)

Higher rates of rape than Uganda and the Congo. Progressive-Feminist government FTW.

Fifteen years ago Sweden was THE model society. trying to feed me this bullshit that integration hasn't failed miserably...

[Lune]

you are very obviously saying all Muslims are terrorists

Well it looks like she's denied that, so whether she misspoke or you misunderstood, you can put that away now because it's wrong.

and if you arnt aware at how overtly racist you sound, let me try to tell you, you are being overtly racist.

Nah. What we're saying is about as racist as "Man I really disagree with the Westboro Baptist Church" or "Man I don't agree with the Republican political philosophy".

I don't agree with Islamic values.

[iruinedyourday]

Im sorry but whats that shit you dickheads say to me all the time? moving goalpost?

thats whats going on here.

You all are confirmed racists, some self admitted, and you're trying to say your hate thread is somehow not just because of your xenophobic fear or dark foul desire to read MORE about dead people.

And yo, im QUOTING you guys saying very clearly that all moderate muslims want to cut your heads off, and you're trying to pretend you didnt very clearly say BINGO LOL and agree with them.

Its very clear you are all a bunch of cowards

[Pik]

I think I found some people really interested in all your opinions

http://i.imgur.com/r2LjQ6S.png

[Lune]

You all are confirmed racists

Why am I not banned yet? I mean, if what I'm saying is racist (it's not), and the mods disapprove, I'd welcome a warning or ban. You've undoubtedly already spammed them about this thread.

Maybe because what we're saying isn't racist and you're being a hypersensitive narrowminded crybaby?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Let's pretend moderate Islam is a thing. Where does it get us? (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s)

now with that said, let's meet these so called "moderate muslims" that IRYD is so insistent on siding with. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nA3xN5ptZXM)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Its very clear you are all a bunch of cowards

Bending over and begging sand people to peg you isn't bravery dude.

You have no ground to stand on.

Your ideology is a failed one.

You can't argue with facts.

You've failed to rewrite history.

The ONLY thing you are able to do is call people racist.

Not only are you wrong, even if you weren't, it's the most irrelevant point.

Fuck your feelings and your self loathing identity.

[iruinedyourday]

rofl fuck this shit, im going to let you guys just post freely instead of arguing with me and ill be back in 8 pages to start handing out bans. when you inevitably turn it into a discussion about eugenics.

[Pik]

Are you a forum mod too? You hand out bans? kewl dude~!

By order of the prophet
We ban that boogie sound
Degenerate the faithful
With that craazy Casbah sound
But the Bedouin they brought out
The electric camel drum
The local guitar picker
Got his guitar picking thumb
As soon as the Shareef
Had cleared the square
They began to wail

[Chorus:]

Now over at the temple
Oh! They really pack 'em in
The in crowd say it's cool
To dig this chanting thing
But as the wind changed direction
The temple band took five
The crowd caught a wiff
Of that crazy Casbah jive

[Chorus:]

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the Casbah way

As soon as the Shareef was
Chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare

As soon as the Shareef was
Outta their hair
The jet pilots wailed

[Chorus:]

He thinks it's not kosher
Fundamentally he can't take it.
You know he really hates it.
Really really hates it!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

when you inevitably turn it into a discussion about eugenics.

Self fulfilling prophecy, though not in the way you think it will be.

http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200508/mov-002-khan02/320x240.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

For the next eight pages we will discuss/compare the moral implications of genetic engineering both in pre-starfleet earth as well as in 24th century Dominion civilization.