Siren Grotto nerf/revamp

[Man0warr]

When will we be getting this on Project1999? The Siren Grotto we have now lasted less than 3 months on Live.

Patch note from Feb 02 2001:

Update: We also made several changes to Siren's Grotto to address player concerns with the difficulty of the zone.

Some comments from Allakhazam and other from after the patch:

Siren's Grotto has recently been changed so that single groups can get good experience here; a lot of the unneccesary dangers have been reduced, and the magic and other resistances of the creatures have been lowered.

Biggest change was making it easier to Mez mobs, lowering damage from mobs (right now some trash hits for over 300), and one of the big changes was removing the 500dmg/Dispel AE from Ice Servants.

[Ciroco]

I think the problem is that SG was again revamped in June 2001 and it's hard to find definitive proof of what the zone was like between the current timeline and then.

The one thing I could find is that the seahorses are hitting too hard.

[Pint]

Hoping they leave this zone alone, its pretty much the only challenging one group content left in p99.

[Daldaen]

Hoping they leave this zone alone, its pretty much the only challenging one group content left in p99.

There's plenty of challenge. People just don't see the reward in a lot of it.

Like 1-grouping PoHate 2nd floor or PoGrowth. Or 1-2 grouping Halls of Testing. Or 1-grouping Armors/Guardians of Zek. Or many epic fights.

SG is sort of a meh zone. I just wish there were a way to recover the faction in there so that I could actually hunt there and then fix it to alliance neck my way across.

[Man0warr]

It's challenging, but that makes it pretty dead as a zone. Now that DN is fixed, that's where most will go to farm BP gems.

Ice Servants' DS and trash being super resistant to Mez mean you need a cleric for MoK and a monk to pull if you want to do anything as a single group. Not to mention the 500 dmg AE and trash hits for 250+

Obviously Verant saw it the same way which is why the original version lasted 2 months only.

[Colgate]

i love grouping in SG

probably the most fun non-raid zone in velious

[Man0warr]

Bump

[Phantasm]

i agree, leave SG the way it is. Inflated itemization and over leveled characters make this game trivial in almost every case. God forbid you can't duo an entire zone. Got to build a well balanced group ? Might as well not even log in

[Danth]

Yeah, everyone loves Siren's so much that the zone's almost always empty, just like Chardok when there's no AE group there.

Classic is classic, and current Siren's wasn't classic past the first few months.

Danth

[Raev]

Hoping they leave this zone alone, its pretty much the only challenging one group content left in p99.

I would change this to say challenging trio content. I've been in several full groups and every time we've steamrolled it. This zone has some really cool mechanics, and I'm pretty sure I can keep the temple area down with a trio. Svenn and I wiped after he succumbed to the feminine wiles of a siren enticer, though :mad:

Also I really don't think the Sirens have enhanced MR. I was able to consistently land pretty much the entire enchanter arsenal of slows, mezzes, stuns, charms, etc. Many of these targets are 53+ and buffed with Shielding and Resist Magic; you can't expect to land everything without dispelling them.

[Man0warr]

Bump

[Man0warr]

Bump. This still needs the nerf from the February patch and another nerf in June.

[Man0warr]

Bump

[Erati]

Leave Sirens Grotto alone.jpg!!!

[Telin]

If anyone wants to help research, I need more details with sources please. If there was a revamp again in June 2001, I think that is the only version we should worry about getting implemented.

[Izmael]

Hopefully SG will remain in hard mode forever or at least until recycle99 or whatever.

Last thing we need is easier content and more twink loot flowing into the world.

[wwoneo]

The posts below are recorded after the june patch.

Siren info... It appears they are level 48 to 50 and only hit for 143 max...
http://web.archive.org/web/20020901184809/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=6514
Loots n Levels Reply... By: MandicusLifescourge, Scholar
334 posts
Posted @ Thu, Sep 27th 5:02 PM 2001 Score: Excellent[5.00]
First off, just cuz mobs hit hard don't mean they high lvl... servents by ww zone shoulda helped you guys figure that out.

Siren Seductresses in SG are lvl 48 to 50 and they can hit for 139s to 143s depending on level.
The siren seductresses often cast a fear stun (18 sec approx)

All seductresses can drop breastplate / robe gems.

Known loot from Seductresses in sg:
conch shell horn (terrible, junk it)
immaculate shell horn -8str 15cha bard only horn
walrus skin drum no stats, just a good bard drum
loch of siren hair (not the shawl hair)
excellent siren scales (kael quest fer purse)
Runed sea shell with eb charge
Runed sea shell with cloud charge
Runed shell necklace (5charge eb)
Ornate Runed Shell Necklace (5charge eb otter quest item for plate bracer)
Flawless Diamond (Melee BP Gem)
Black Marble (Priest BP Gem)
Pristine Emerald (Caster Robe Gem)

Mandicus Lifescourge - Oracle / Zakani - Disciple / Sleezard - Meatslab / Summan - Necro -Innoruuk

An Enthralled Bulthar mob level info:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020326122006/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=5515

levels and loot Reply... By: MandicusLifescourge, Scholar
334 posts
Posted @ Thu, Sep 27th 5:27 PM 2001 Score: Good[3.85]

Levels 45 to 49

known loot:
any netted kelp piece (tunic, legs, wrist, boots, cap, choker, arms, gloves, amice)
quest gems:
crushed flame opal
crushed flame emerald
crushed topaz
crushed black marble
crushed coral
crushed onyx sapphire
crushed lava ruby
crushed opal
crushed jaundiced gem
cheap sellable gems (jasper, star rose, etc)

Vendor fodder:
crushed diamond dust
crushed nephrite
crushed sea sapphire

Mandicus Lifescourge - Oracle / Zakani - Disciple / Sleezard - Meatslab / Summan - Necro -Innoruuk

Also...

level can't be correct Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Fri, Jul 13th 11:51 AM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
This... thing cons blue to me and I am 51.

Vermis

[Pringles]

https://web.archive.org/web/20020505053550/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=6346


Icy Info Reply... By: MandicusLifescourge, Scholar
334 posts
Posted @ Thu, Sep 27th 5:12 PM 2001 Score: Good[3.95]
First off, you dont mess with icy servants without everyone in your group having 150+ cold resist or having multiple slaughter groups.

There are two different icy servants... most are level 51ish? The two that guard the shimmering sea serpent pool at the siren temple are lvl 54 / 55.

AE every 15 seconds or so, 500dmg with dispel (vox clone)... Doesn't really affect you if you have a crew that can resist or put the mob down very fast (5+ melee and a wizard or two)

They all hit pretty hard, approx 157s to 170s? /shrug I haven't messed with these guys too much. They drop the same stuff the seahorses drop, no kelp.

Mandicus Lifescourge - Oracle / Zakani - Disciple / Sleezard - Meatslab / Summan - Necro -Innoruuk


drops Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Wed, Aug 15th 7:34 PM 2001 Score: Decent[2.66]
The walruses, manatees drop absolutely nothing and are better left alone. The Enthralled Bulthors, Moltors and Ulthorks drop 3+ gems everytime. Random chance to get very rare velious quest gem. Ive had Crushed Black marble and Crushed Flame emerald drop off one moltor before. Common gems are onyx, pearls, crushed nephrite, crushed chrisolite, and flawed emerald (velious quest gem). All other gems are random drops. They also drop Netted Kelp armor which is fairly good twink armor and great +int and +SV fire for the higher levels. Although having your CHA over 200 is a plus for all you chanters who wear this since it gives - in CHA. it gives +4 or higher stamina also depending on which piece. The Icy servants should really not be messed with unless you are on a guild raid with 2+ grps. It took them around 10 seconds to kick my 54 warriors ass with 1000 ac and 2500 hp unbuffed. but that was with 3 other icys and around 8 siren enticers. the icys hit me for max of 110 but extremely fast and that triple 500 AE every second or so from all 3 was hell. also the nukes from the sirens hurt. Dont expect to pull any of these Icy servants unless your expecting to get 8+ MoBs with it.

The horses are nice pulling if you have the melee power for them. Me and a 60 warrior did them and it took 5 mins per horse. although we I had 4200 hp buffed and she had 5010 and 1400 ac. they give good xp and the rare drop of that 20 ac cloak is worth it. I hope this clears stuff up on SG and it is a really great zone to hunt in with a grp.

Renaldan Firybane

https://web.archive.org/web/20020909031912/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=6347


Random Reply... By: lixe,
1 posts
Posted @ Mon, Jan 28th 10:59 PM 2002 Score: Decent[3.00]
Neriad shawl dropped randomly from a Neriad Mermaid, not sure if Mistresses drop them. Mistresses drop gems up to Blue diamonds and diamonds. And up to 4 pieces of cash loot at once. Mistress hit me for over 290 quad at times very fast. Maidens i can solo easily.


Grats rot on shawl btw.

https://web.archive.org/web/20011225102127/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=6345

Every seahorse should be level 53


Seahorse info Reply... By: Winterbourne,
3 posts
Posted @ Thu, Jul 12th 8:18 AM 2001 Score: Excellent[5.00]
Every seahorse in SG (using a 200 tracking skill) conned even at lev 53. Straight melee mobs, hard hitters, a lot of hit points, no surprises.
They can't be rooted or snared ("cannot change the run speed" message), and will try and run when badly hurt, but move at a crawl. Whether this is because of the water or a recent patch change I'm not sure.
Moderately strong against magic, fairly strong against fire. They can be mezzed and slowed, but it can take awhile due to resistances.

Winterbourne of Azure Sky (Prexus)
The Ranger Gourmet

https://web.archive.org/web/20021116101652/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?zone=122

helena mindreaver: hits 270s, cleric mob, loves to nuke for 675s esp when yer tashed by the other sirens in the room. yellow con at 60 loves to drop aego scroll

mistress latazura: quads for 375s, chanter mob, like to charm early on, winds of tashanian, just yer garden variety meat slap contest after she runs outta mana. red con at 60, shes hard =P
drops spells like every other kill


Helsia Mindreaver Reply... By: Samanah,
5 posts
Posted @ Mon, Sep 2nd 9:58 PM 2002 Score: Decent[3.00]
Seems like this is a Cleric mob. Did a wrath of god on me for 600+ damage, hit for 120 to 270 damage AFTER being slowed by the enchanter. NOT an easy kill took our group 3x tried to pull and sucessfully kill her. The warrior have almost 4500 Htps (with Aegolism) with 1300 AC. We have to Complete Heal him 5x and Lvl 60 druid's heal 7x with several other heal over time so as not aggro the mob. I found her spawn in the SG zone in the tower. This is the first time I seen her on track and she is YELLOW to me at 60. She drop a Blue Diamond, a no-drop earing AC 2, Stam 9, Wis 2, Int 2, tiny, All All NO DROP, LORE - Siren Hair Earing, and a sapphire necklace worth about 166pp. Good luck to all who venture into SG.



Neriad mistress Reply... By: AlrecRZ,
5 posts
Posted @ Thu, Feb 28th 9:32 AM 2002 Score: Decent[3.00]
Anyone have info on Neriad Mistress? she seemed to be a random spawn but JEEZ she hits a ton.. wacked me over my head for 270 a pop when I got back she was gone not sure if pathing bug or despawn.

https://web.archive.org/web/20021207165734/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=6350


Soloable Reply... By: Krym, Scholar
26 posts
Posted @ Tue, May 14th 9:35 AM 2002 Score: Decent[3.00]
Soloable by 58 druid (probably lower) in the pool near WW zone with only the one swordfish in it

Glamour of tunare (lower MR)
Fear Animal
Wing death 4 or 5 times
ES

Repeat

Gets a bit hairy if it resists several fears in a row as it hits for 150's and stuns regularly (5 in a row on me once)

Safe to jump out of pool if fight is going badly (usually :)

Cannot be snared or rooted


Krym
Hierophant
Tallon-Zek (PvP)

https://web.archive.org/web/20021106150528/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=5515

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level can't be correct Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Fri, Jul 13th 11:51 AM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
This... thing cons blue to me and I am 51.

Vermis


i can snare Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Sat, Oct 27th 3:15 PM 2001 Score: Decent[2.50]
fyi, i can snare them at 45 so the immune to snare thing is wrong.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020619212009/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=6348


level? Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Tue, Dec 4th 2:59 AM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
I'm a level 51 shaman and I saw this guy next to cobalt scar zone, and he conned blue hit's in the 130's. but don't know about hp i had to run to many hits before I could get him. invise went.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.games.everquest/Sirens$20Grotto%7Csort:date/alt.games.everquest/AReI4cx-ELw/tosN52P2ByoJ

Sirens Grotto - My god... What's to say about this zone. Since at least
>half of it is underwater I'm not sure there's any hope into making this
>a place people actually want to go. Heck just getting down the well is
>fun. That pull sucks so bad.
The well isn't bad if you pull it from the bottom. Invis down, go to
the 4-way and pull the upper rooms to there intially. I always thought
SG was one of the coolest zones for a dungeon crawl. Pick a corridor
at random and see where you end up <g>. Pretty much light blue at 53
though, one of those zones I miss not being able to exp in any more.

[Pringles]

I'm not sure on this but mobs of the same level have different DI depending on the expansion? So if we could dial in the levels of these revamped mobs we could compare it to other velious mobs of the same level range. Just brain storming since this patch is long overdue but the info is so bare.

[maximum]

Bump 2019.

[Tobius]

Bump 2019.

Almost no one ever hunts there which makes it impossible to aqquire runed sea shell cloud for Ring. Which Makes ring 9 unfinishable which makes peoples banks too full of items... so I'm told.

[Croco]

Bump. Would be nice if the trash in this zone didn't hit for near 300. Should've been fixed a long time ago.