Vulak's Guards

[Lazie]

Are still not leashed and this is being exploited currently every time he dies. The Drakes that surround Vulak should be leashed to him.

[Detoxx]

Was supposed to be fixed in a recent patch as well.

[caleros]

100% sure they were not leashed on classic. The thing I don't recall is them flurrying or being so beefy. I remember 13 years ago killing vulak and then we would celebratory rush the pets in his lair because they were easy and dropped good loot like monk/rog necks.

Picture of us in Ring of Valor on Bristlebane killing vulak then going to his pets in lair, as you can see Keys lands a tap on Dktan'Nirsl one of vulaks guards.

http://i.imgur.com/7Umat.png

http://i.imgur.com/TNNBV.png

[Colgate]

i don't think any NToV guards were leashed to any of the dragons in classic

[Daldaen]

I love how your classic hotbar doesn't include Sneak on page one. Reminds me of an era when sneak isn't OP as hell.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10890

The OP talks about taking on a dragon and their two guards simultaneously. Not really evidence to suggest they were leashed, they could have just not split them out or had a bad pull.

[Nirgon]

end life tap immunity

keep it classic

[Scryll]

Nilbog: Added additional checks to ensure Tunare and Vulak`Aerr properly call to all npcs which should assist them.

Is this supposed to include the 6 guards? Or is this only supposed to include the Lords / Ladies?

[Vianna]

They were definitely always leashed.

[Lazie]

Just search the guards names and look for posts on Zam...Womp Womp


From March 2002 a little out of era but the guards were still leashed then.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7465


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Yeah... gotta kill em to clear to dragons so they don't aggro on you with the dragons and thus cause a CR which nobody wants to do...
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Drops?

Let's not defend a bug and fix it please.

[Scryll]

There has never been mentioned in any patch notes from Verant / SOE where they are stating that the guards are leashed or not. So they must have been leashed from day 1 of velious.

[Lazie]

There has never been mentioned in any patch notes from Verant / SOE where they are stating that the guards are leashed or not. So they must have been leashed from day 1 of velious.

=)

[Colgate]

there are posts talking about pulling aaryonar by pacifying his guards so that he comes solo

[Skew]

there are posts talking about pulling aaryonar by pacifying his guards so that he comes solo

Really??

Pacify
Pacifies your target, lowering its aggressiveness for 42 secs (7 ticks). Affects creatures up to level 55.

[Colgate]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6457

2003 post, but still details that they weren't leashed at some point

To pull Aary:

1) Enchanter (me) goes to the top of the steps (do NOT get above the steps or youre FOOKED cuz you slip and slide and come into his aggro range and youre dead :P).

2) Send Wizard1 eye up and out into pit, target Guard on left. Send Wizard2 eye up and out, target Guard on right.

3) Assist Wizard1 (who should be on steps behind you). Pacify (Recommend Cha over 250 for this) left guard. I had pacify resisted one time with 261 cha so far (pacified em 3 times, one wipe and one no-pull).

3) Assist Wizard2. Pacify right guard. Wizzys RUN back after this or they got no mana.

4) Drop into pit, TURN to make sure no interrupt, and tash (good thing to have an emote here to let the raid know he's pulled). As SOON as you drop into pit he's a comin so you gotta have your wits about ya. And he is not in range from the steps, though if you could possibly get your balance on that slippery spot you could tash from there, I've flubbed it before there so not a good idea.

5) MA standing on steps tags with bow when you're dead. He came single both times.

We cleared Eashen's room, then paci'd the 2 drakes by the steps, pulled him donw by eashens room, had casters hide inside. Tried slamming him into a wall first time... he just poped thru it and cme back with friends. Have to realy balance push to keep him from going into walls.

[Lazie]

there are posts talking about pulling aaryonar by pacifying his guards so that he comes solo

Tsk Tsk. Referencing posts from PoP era on Monkly Business...I mean level 65...AAs that affected Lull...Etc. Etc. Etc.





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[Ele]

Just search the guards names and look for posts on Zam...Womp Womp


From March 2002 a little out of era but the guards were still leashed then.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7465

Mar 14 2002 at 6:34 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
Anonymous
Yeah... gotta kill em to clear to dragons so they don't aggro on you with the dragons and thus cause a CR which nobody wants to do...


Let's not defend a bug and fix it please.

You can interpret that quote in several different ways. It does not explicitly support or disprove leashing.

Also it is from after the Ring of Vulak (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Y2gcyOGWiwJ:www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2002-03-06+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) was implemented.

[Ele]

There has never been mentioned in any patch notes from Verant / SOE where they are stating that the guards are leashed or not. So they must have been leashed from day 1 of velious.

Most of the content changes made to EQ were never mentioned in the patch notes.

[Lazie]

You can interpret that quote in several different ways. It does not explicitly support or disprove leashing.

Also it is from after the Ring of Vulak (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Y2gcyOGWiwJ:www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2002-03-06+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) was implemented.

I agree. It is not the most solid proof. It is just one string in support. Daldaen posted another example. There so far is more proof out there that they were than they weren't. When you research it for the era. Just not a lot out there because as you pointed out Patch Notes left a lot to be desired in a lot of areas. Most of us are going on very old memories that could be right or wrong. I am for either change to make it universal. Like you I want it classic. Whichever result this thread gets I support if it's proven classic.

[khanable]

Only in era proof I see thus far was caleros's stuff.

Technically even the dragons were not fully "leashed" to vulak. There were supposedly ways around it. Furor threw a massive fit over it.

Will post some links when home.

[Freakish]

http://users.owt.com/progreen/tovpage.html

Eashan is much faster than his guards, so will reach puller well ahead of his guards... as soon as puller dies, all 5 will turn back and head to room, this is where tagger steps out and tags Eashan. Should come single as long as tagger has sneak on.

Aaryonar is the hard shell of NToV that ya gotta crack to get at the soft meat... and he is a pain. He has 2 guards, but can occasionally be singled (65 puller), do not remember much about them, other than they dropped fairly fast.

[Lazie]

Only in era proof I see thus far was caleros's stuff.

Technically even the dragons were not fully "leashed" to vulak. There were supposedly ways around it. Furor threw a massive fit over it.

Will post some links when home.

Caleros stuff shows...Nothing ? I agree the guards in ToV should be easier as he mentioned. However, They do not show the pull. They show a random screenshot of dead guards in ToV and a Dead Vulak. I mean if it's from the same raid why are the groups he is in from the Vulak kill to the Guard kill...different. Should have been the charge like he mentioned right ? For all we know by that they killed the guards before Vulak spawned (Remember no huge variance) like every other guild did in classic. At least show a screenshot with Vulak and the guards up before showing us that as proof.

[Lazie]

http://users.owt.com/progreen/tovpage.html

Again they mention the 65 puller quite clearly that that is what is needed to do it by the wording. Eashen's guards should not be leashed. I agree with that.

[Colgate]

so far the only explicit statement of leashed or not leashed is favoring not leashed, despite being out of era

caleros screenshot isn't exactly 100% evidence, but it's good support of them not being leashed

[Lazie]

Just posting even more evidence about as to why keeping mobs lulled became viable. If you played a Monk in classic you should remember this change.

http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showthread.php?t=627

Key words from the thread right here...


We've had the ability for awhile now to make it so certain monsters were totally immune to being lulled. This is especially common in higher level outdoor zones such as Cazic-Thule, since Harmony would take any challenge out of splitting groups of monsters. Having a such powerful game dynamic with no risk of failure made these encounters too easy, so we were forced to make many monsters totally lull immune to compensate. With this change to Harmony, we'll now be able to remove the lull immunity from many monsters, and turn this ability into a useful spell line that gives great benefits, but with some risk that your spell may be resisted.

[Freakish]

I understand my link was from out of era. What out of era changes would have allowed the ability to bypass leashed mobs from assisting?

[Lazie]

I understand my link was from out of era. What out of era changes would have allowed the ability to bypass leashed mobs from assisting?

Read the post above this. There were changes made to lull and AAs were added. It among other things angered quite a few Monks.

[Freakish]

Pacify and Calm do not affect tethered mobs. Edit: Not tethered, linked. Calm line does not affect linked mobs.

[khanable]

Enough of these 2002 links, gross

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6479#m99736595991951

We have every confidence that the item was nerfed due to newbie whining alone. If you knew the loot table of every mob in North ToV along with their respective difficulties, you would agree as well.

The only group of people currently stupid enough to be releasing Vulak loot is the gimp guild Defenders of Akanon, which used a design flaw to kill Vulak, and does not understand nor appreciate why Vulak loot has not been spoiled. They haven't killed most of the dragons in the north wing, and killing Vulak was due to a loophole in mob AI.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010902175632/http://www.akanon.org/archive/arc.html

NOTE: 2001 NSFW RAGE POST HERE

About 5mins after Vulak was dead I didn't think I would be making a post like this. I was to excited to think. We had done it. But about 10mins after this point the chat came over /gu that one of our members decided to post how will killed Vulak and that Vyemm was still up. At the time I didn't think this would be that big of a problem, It just showed that Ikikgud did his job as an awesome puller, he got the fucker solo.

I think it was Stiff that broke the news that Furor had made a post how we cheated, and exploited to kill Vulak, Well that kind of bursted my bubble.. I didn't think we cheated, and no one can prove we cheated either, because we didn't.. plain and simple. Well after we heard the news that Furor thought that new ToV would be nerfed, we asked for him to remove the post, at that point and time (at least I didn't) want to be the guild that will be remembered for Fucking over North ToV for the rest of the peeps. After Furor refused to delete it and started a pissing contest with Ikikgud, most DoA got banned from there IRC channel. I think this is about the time.. most DoA got pissed.

LET THE FLAMES BEGIN. Click here. This I believe is the first thread starting the flame.. You can see all the action. WOWOW. I figure this will continue for awhile. Fact is.. We didn't cheat we used something call.. shhh say it with me... FEIGN DEATH. I have nothing but respect for most of FoH, except one. As Im about to submit this to the newsposter I see that Ikikgud finally summed it up ::

Perhaps you weren't on the irc channel when doa members got on. I personally got on to ask furor to remove the post made by kyrak, because I didn't want it causing problems. As I entered the channel I was greeted by:

You sir are a gimp, you lead a gimp guild, and I will personally make sure that you never kill vulak again.

So as you see, furor (who we will refer to as faggor from now on, as it better describes him) is the one who started this all. He could have just removed the post. Or he could have left it up and not started his mighty shit-talking campaign. Faggor has every right to disagree with whatever he likes, but if he wants to insult and make his laughable threats, I'll gladly respond to the faggot. Anyone got a log of that Irc chat? Where faggor proceeded to ask me what clothes I was wearing irl? BTW, the reference to furor's homosexual nature stems from his interest in dressing me up in leather. I'm sorry man but I'm really not interested in ass-fucking you, nor will I allow you to touch mine.

WHY DOES THIS REMIND ME OF SOMETHING..

Anyway.. Congrats on peeps loot.

Think it stands to reason if someone could get Vulak split off from Lord Vyemm during actual classic (not 2002 lazie classic), they could probably get him away from his guards ;)

[Maner]

100% sure they were not leashed on classic. The thing I don't recall is them flurrying or being so beefy. I remember 13 years ago killing vulak and then we would celebratory rush the pets in his lair because they were easy and dropped good loot like monk/rog necks.

Picture of us in Ring of Valor on Bristlebane killing vulak then going to his pets in lair, as you can see Keys lands a tap on Dktan'Nirsl one of vulaks guards.

http://i.imgur.com/7Umat.png

http://i.imgur.com/TNNBV.png

the vulak ring event was added after luclin I believe. and you had to kill waves of trash to spawn vulak, meaning his guards naturally wouldn't be leashed at that point.

[Erati]

nice find @Cucs but if Vulak has leashed guards (OP's conjecture) then evidence u can split Vulak from Vyemm isnt really much of a gotcha

those are two very different type of mobs- this isnt a post whether "leashing or chaining" existed in classic bc Lucan and Jentry prove that daily

its possible that those people killed guards then split Vulak from Vyemm once Vulak did his call to the dragons

[Maner]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6457

2003 post, but still details that they weren't leashed at some point
"We cleared Eashen's room, then paci'd the 2 drakes by the steps, pulled him donw by eashens room, had casters hide inside. Tried slamming him into a wall first time... he just poped thru it and cme back with friends. Have to realy balance push to keep him from going into walls. "

The 2 drakes at the bottom of the stairs are not the guards in question, they are normal NToV trash drakes

[Colgate]

right now on p99, every north wing dragon except eashen/ikatiar is leashed to vulak.. he doesn't just "call" them to his lair

pretty sure in classic he would call the lords/ladies to his lair, they would leave, and the script wouldn't work again for some amount of time, maybe 30 minutes?

right now for as long as vulak is aggro'd or not in his lair, every other dragon will stack on top of him

that post alone should be convincing enough to get rid of the current vulak call script and retune it to be possible to pull him without killing every other dragon

[Maner]

http://users.owt.com/progreen/tovpage.html

Aaryonar is the hard shell of NToV that ya gotta crack to get at the soft meat... and he is a pain. He has 2 guards, but can occasionally be singled (65 puller), do not remember much about them, other than they dropped fairly fast.

any lvl 65 reference isn't classic as NToV was changed a lot when luclin and pop came out

[Maner]

Enough of these 2002 links, gross

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6479#m99736595991951



http://web.archive.org/web/20010902175632/http://www.akanon.org/archive/arc.html

NOTE: 2001 NSFW RAGE POST HERE



Think it stands to reason if someone could get Vulak split off from Lord Vyemm during actual classic (not 2002 lazie classic), they could probably get him away from his guards ;)

They clearly state they kited vymme while killing vulak.... it doesn't mention his guards at all...

[Colgate]

where in that post does it say vyemm was kited?

[khanable]

Actually, from the above link I posted, this was kinda interesting:

Sorry for the posting this so late, but I have been so busy working on a customers web site. Anyway, we kill these guys last night, I wasn't on for Klandicar or Zladnicar, and I just got on in time for the other North ToV dragons.

The server connection problems didn't help matters as most peeps would go LD every 15mins.. eventually we had 35 peeps that had stable connections.. so we pulled Sevalak, he dropped, then we pulled Cekenar 3mins later. We did make an attempt on Aaryonar, I believe we got him to 60% or 65% without slowing him, we had some problems from the beginning, overall it was a ok attempt, just need to fix some things.. Slow would make a big difference to.

Thanks to the DoA members that stuck around for the drake rares, and the guards, grats to everyone on loot, and to Kindeano.. the one night wonder. I didnt get all the SS of the loot, and I might be missing a few..

[Maner]

where in that post does it say vyemm was kited?

On live vulak had an internal CD on his call of dragons ability to bring in his friends. All you did was kite the other dragons after he did the call, reset the fight and he wouldn't do another call for a set period of time, effectively splitting the dragons. But the post also doesn't state anything about the guards which could have been split and killed prior to engaging and killing vulak.

[khanable]

Here's a decent thread from 2002 of people talking about how Aary's guards are now linked to him

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10941

Just wondering if you have killed Aaroy recently, because I THINK his pets
ALWAYS come with him together now. Our monk puller is stupid good,
but we don't even waste our time trying to separate them any more.

Starting to think like Colgate; don't think any of the guards should be linked to any dragons!

Linked guards probably came around when they decided to dildo up the zone with roaming flurries

[Maner]

Here's a decent thread from 2002 of people talking about how Aary's guards are now linked to him

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10941



Starting to think like Colgate; don't think any of the guards should be linked to any dragons!

I could see the drakes becoming no longer linked after they rooted a lot of the dragons in ntov. Not before though

"We fight Aary in the long hall right before the ramp down the hatchlings. We put the clerics on the railing behind the wall and you can ch the MT who should be positioning Aary's head right at the corner. If you are getting his 2 guards with him then what we do is kill the pets first while the ch chain keeps the MT alive. Our monk has gotten good enough to pull his pets to the zone in room so we dont have to fight him and his pets together anymore though. Make sure you kill all the babies at approximately the same time since having these respawn during the fight can mean a loss. Also make sure you have timed killing the two normal drakes near the stairs to NToV so you dont get respawn of them either. Aary is a tough fight as dragons in NToV go so keep your chins up."

"Looking back at the fight and talking over things with the guild on our messageboard, I think I see where we went wrong. The fake manadrain AOE killed us. By the time we knew that we could insta click the mana back, we had lost our main tank and a number of others. Through our CH rotation out the window and no one was able to stay up long enough.
What we did was pull Aary and his pets down the hall to the bottom of his ramp and to the door that leads to Ikky and Eashan's(sp?) rooms. Our clerics hid in a room and we healed from there while we did our best to try and wax at least one of the pets. The casters stayed near the door and were supposed to open it and go through when the AE macro was hit. In the end, we got one pet down to about 30 or 40 percent but the problem was all of the early deaths.
Also one other question, what is a good number of Clerics/people for the fight? Looking for realistic numbers here. For the most part, we're in full (or near full) Skyshrine Armor with about a quarter or a third of our melee Primal equipped.
Thanks a ton."

"We assign one group to hatchling duty, and 1 group each to his two guards the rest go to the main fight. AAry is kept in the hallway before his pit, the guards are brought around the corner to where the clerics are. "

are all posts in that thread which lead one to believe his "pets" also known as guards were leashed to him

[khanable]

Yep, became linked about a month before that thread, in feb/march 2002

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5052

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did they make it so aaryonar is linked to his pets? i havent played in about a month, so im not too sure what has changed
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Yes, Aary's pets are linked to aary now

[Maner]

Yep, became linked about a month before that thread, in feb/march 2002

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5052

So which out come is correct? guards were leashed ~6months after release? that would mean half of ntov is correct while the other half is 6 months in the future so to speak. Either remove all leashes or add them to every fight that had them eventually on live. The middle ground is the problem

[khanable]

So which out come is correct? guards were leashed ~6months after release? that would mean half of ntov is correct while the other half is 6 months in the future so to speak. Either remove all leashes or add them to every fight that had them eventually on live. The middle ground is the problem

what?

velious released dec 2000

shadows of shit released dec 2001

leashes not classic

how about neeevvverrrrr

[Maner]

what?

velious released dec 2000

shadows of shit released dec 2001

leashes not classic

how about neeevvverrrrr

never mind was reading the join date as the post date I think

[khanable]

velious released Dec 5 2000, that post was made June 2001 meaning 6 months later and 6 months before luclin? or is my calendar completely screwed up?

that was the posters join date

nub

[Scryll]

Yep, became linked about a month before that thread, in feb/march 2002

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5052

So as this proves. Please remove the leash for Aaryonar guards, and probably the rest of ToV.

[Ele]

http://youtu.be/IFz-UdoLoZ8

Vulak chaining the dragons for days.

[Lazie]

Pacify and Calm do not affect tethered mobs. Edit: Not tethered, linked. Calm line does not affect linked mobs.

Good point. Now, if we can find proof a change wasn't made when they started rooting mobs. This is when we all collectively curse the patch notes.

[Lazie]

So as this proves. Please remove the leash for Aaryonar guards, and probably the rest of ToV.

Oops just got to this. Good call!

[Lazie]

Great Find Cucumbers. We seem to have Luclin Era NtoV without the ring event and rooted mobs. Unleash these beasts. =)

[Oleris]

unleashhhhhhhhh

[khanable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLMMx3MRi0s

UNLEASHHH THE FLURRY

[Lazie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLMMx3MRi0s

UNLEASHHH THE FLURRY

Haha.

[Arteker]

vulak ring was added shortly after luclin , about time they changed triple dt cursed, aswell added him some ancient spells, but the ring was buggy worse than acrylya one.

it was finnaly fixed during pop with thylex trigger

[Daldaen]

So basically these changes would make NToV more classic:

No Drake Guards should be linked to their master
No Flurry drakes should roam in north Triplets / Twins hallway
Vulak should drop 3 items every kill