Dain still spawning on Ring War fail

[Man0warr]

Not classic - should only be spawnable by the later Shawl quests.

[Daldaen]

Proof?

[Man0warr]

Proof?

Won't find any evidence either way. If Dain popped on a ring war failure you'd think it be mentioned somewhere on the internet.

It doesn't make sense for him to spawn on a failure - otherwise people would have been failing them on purpose just for Dains. Which is an easy way to grief Thurgadin bankers/quest givers/merchants/etc and you lose nothing by failing.

[nilbog]

This isn't an easy fix due to the systems in place to completely depop/repop thurgadin.

We're working on a solution.

[Daldaen]

Won't find any evidence either way. If Dain popped on a ring war failure you'd think it be mentioned somewhere on the internet.

It doesn't make sense for him to spawn on a failure - otherwise people would have been failing them on purpose just for Dains. Which is an easy way to grief Thurgadin bankers/quest givers/merchants/etc and you lose nothing by failing.

People didn't grind as hard as they do on P99 for killing raid mobs.

Sentry should be a 3-day respawn, so its not farm, you're getting double the dain pops, not that incredible.

I'll get on live now and kill Dain if he is up, if not I will spawn war and see if he respawns on death.

[nilbog]

Sentry should be a 3-day respawn, so its not farm

Sentry is currently a 1 day spawn, not 3. If that is wrong, need evidence etc.

[dafier]

Since this is just a 'My thoughts' thread. I don't mind giving mine.

Dain's repop is classic. Where's the proof that it's not. NOW, if staff wants to change that, then OK.

[Daldaen]

So I went and killed Dain on live (he didn't drop any spells which I found odd), and then I went outside to fail a ring war... Sentry Baddain wasn't up.

I'll check again tonight and see what the deal is with failing a ring war.

[dafier]

So I went and killed Dain on live (he didn't drop any spells which I found odd), and then I went outside to fail a ring war... Sentry Baddain wasn't up.

I'll check again tonight and see what the deal is with failing a ring war.

This is an unfair assessment. Live does not equal P99. If going off memory I can tell you that I recall people attempting ring war during classic, then trying again a couple hours later. There was one weekend in particular where there were 4 or more Ring Wars on Saturday and Sunday.

However...I do not recall whether Dain respawned or not.

[Daldaen]

I didn't assess anything yet? Or do you mean to suggest Live isn't useful for determining any mechanics?

[dafier]

Live is useful to a certain point.

More than anything Dal, this particular situation seems like it's already being thought about by P99 staff. From what I read they are trying to figure out how to keep the current happening without having Dain spawn.

We can all give our accounts but I think Live server has had so many changes it's difficult to go off of what current live offers. Nothing further.

[nilbog]

Since this is just a 'My thoughts' thread. I don't mind giving mine.

Dain's repop is classic. Where's the proof that it's not. NOW, if staff wants to change that, then OK.

When I wrote the ring war, it was my intention that he should not repop. Unfortunately the system that controls the overall depop/repop does not handle it properly.

So I went and killed Dain on live (he didn't drop any spells which I found odd), and then I went outside to fail a ring war... Sentry Baddain wasn't up.

I'll check again tonight and see what the deal is with failing a ring war.

I've already tested this on live. He does not repop from a failed war.

[dafier]

I understand. I'm guessing the repop is root level type function. Meaning, what you wrote is above that so to speak. I can see the issue you face but don't have the knowledge to assist.

Good luck Nilbog, I am sure your expertise will pay off.

EDIT:

Do you have contacts that work on live that you can trade notes?

[Man0warr]

Sony didn't keep code revisions of their circa-2001 server side code, and they sure as shit don't have a reason to help out Nilbog if they did.

He's making it all up on the fly, as close to 2001 as can be reasonably done at least.

[dafier]

My point was not necessarily go through the company. Sometimes people 'know' people. :)

Sony didn't help their customers other than providing pixels, I am sure they wouldn't help Nil or anyone else for that matter.

Nilbog! I just thought about this.

There is a quest in game:

http://wiki.project1999.com/Phenocryst's_Focus

When you do the final hand in and receive the end item, Pheno walks outside with a bunch of other Geonids, stop in the forest, disappears and The Menhir spawns in his/their place. When he appeared the last time I helped a guildy finish the quest, I sent my pet to attack him. He despawns after X amount of time and I was unable to kill him before his set despawn time occurred.

Is there a way to do this for the Dain ONLY after a failed Ring War? So, let the original code pop everything, but some how tag the dain as a 'Ring War Dain pop', not 7 day pop, then run script to despawn him after 1 or 2 minutes. Maybe even 5 minutes. Why? This gives people a chance to do hand ins without having a guild(s) try to sock him.

Just trying to give ideas. I hope this helps.

[dafier]

OR! Put a tag on the Dain that spawns normally (every 7 days ish), then code something to check that 'tag', and if that tag does NOT exists, run ABC script to despawn.

[nilbog]

Unfortunately, it is not that easy.

The system itself needs modified, or a new one created.

We'll figure something out. Most of the priority for upcoming changes was put into the big march2001 patch.

[dafier]

Hummm...not being able to at least band aid something drives me crazy at work. Good luck man.