View Full Version : Question on black panther skin price
Troxx
10-22-2015, 01:08 AM
The armor looks nice and seems to sell well to monks. How come the skins are so cheap? I get that the yew brew runs around 100-200p, but are the other TS components expensive enough to warrant the cost of the armor if the skins are that cheap?
In any case, I have several skins but it seems like it would make more sense to gather the other parts and commission a tailor vs selling the skins for 75-100p each.
JayDee
10-22-2015, 01:18 AM
by any means necessary. peace be onto you my brother. asalamelekam
Tethler
10-22-2015, 02:10 AM
Yeah, the materials are just a couple hundred plat. The price difference is crafter markup. Had some pieces made recently where all the mats were provided and some crafters were asking for 2k per combine. If you are patient, you'll eventually find a crafter that will push their combine button for a reasonable price.
maestrom
10-22-2015, 07:44 AM
Mostly because it costs a ton per combine and has a trivial of like 64728472947372. You're not paying for the successful combine, you're paying for their cost. Which may have included 2-3 failed combines and lost mats in some cases.
If it costs 500 to do a combine and they charge 750 a piece, then if they fail a combine they have to sell two pieces to make up the loss. So theyve lost three sets of mats and they're only where they started.
They charge a big markup because its what it takes to make it worth their while.
DarthMartigan
10-22-2015, 08:45 AM
I got a full set of armor from a guild tailor, but it was close to 50% failed combines, and she said I was lucky. ive also heard from another tailor that they failed 80% of haze panther skins they had tried combining from a stack they farmed. The fail rate is really high, so the price is high.
Rararboker
10-22-2015, 10:08 AM
Darth nailed it. Trivial is somewhere around 300 to 350 and the highest you can lvl tailoring is 255
Daldaen
10-22-2015, 10:14 AM
Darth nailed it. Trivial is somewhere around 300 to 350 and the highest you can lvl tailoring is 255
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Troxx
10-22-2015, 11:10 AM
Thanks that was the answer I was looking for :)
I dabble in some TSs and understand the need for mark up as well as the cost associated with getting to max skill in the first place. I wasn't aware the fail rate was so high. Prices still seem inflated a bit given the mat cost, but it's a sellers market and that isn't unreasonable ;)
Mostly I was just confused why the mats were selling to the tailors for so cheap when the final product is so expensive.
A crafter charging 2k a combine when all mats are provided ... That's just highway robbery. Burden of skill or no, clicking 'combine' alone shouldn't cost anyone 2k lol.
guinness
10-22-2015, 01:55 PM
A crafter charging 2k a combine when all mats are provided ... That's just highway robbery. Burden of skill or no, clicking 'combine' alone shouldn't cost anyone 2k lol.
Tailoring is the worst tradeskill so you're definitely paying for someone's misery of leveling that awful skill to 200+. They may be "just" pressing combine, but that single combine includes hundreds/thousands of hours of grinding, gathering, and combining.
It's like when you pay any skilled person to do anything. Yeah, sure, the plumber "only" replaced a leaking pipe that probably cost $3, but you're paying for his years of training and expertise to do it right. If you think that just pressing "combine" with a 200+ tailoring skill is so valueless, you're welcome to go level up tailoring yourself. :)
Cecily
10-23-2015, 07:16 PM
To get my tailoring to 228 before Velious, it took me over 2 years and 100k+.Then probably another 60 or 80k for the rest of the way to 250. That time and expense is what I would be charging you for. Also, every piece I make is another item on the market to compete selling against, so I want a cut of the profit (usually 25% of current market value). If you're lucky, you'll save quite a bit compared to buying the full item. But I want the cost to sting enough to discourage mass production.
Karien
10-24-2015, 02:57 AM
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lol
Troxx
10-24-2015, 03:29 AM
To get my tailoring to 228 before Velious, it took me over 2 years and 100k+.Then probably another 60 or 80k for the rest of the way to 250. That time and expense is what I would be charging you for. Also, every piece I make is another item on the market to compete selling against, so I want a cut of the profit (usually 25% of current market value). If you're lucky, you'll save quite a bit compared to buying the full item. But I want the cost to sting enough to discourage mass production.
2k for a successful combine I could understand ... Maybe. If it's 2k a click including failures?
Still though, the components are not rare. Hunting suits in WL and only killing the panthers I accidentally aggro, I've got 20 of them and a good stack or more of leaves. On the market you could sell all the components for maybe 3-4k while the final product even considering half failure could run 80-100k based on wiki prices.
The market is already flooded with reagents, it seems more like price fixing. If the reagents are so plentiful that they sell that cheaply, the final product will inevitably plummet.
I'll probably just find a tailor to cut a dea with - give them a bunch of mats for the pieces I want for my monk and then let them keep all the extra mats to sell product on the market.
Long term, the panther armor will end up being really cheap regardless.
I do get a laugh when people port into WL auctioning to buy the mats off me for a rate whereby the sum total for mats is well under 10% the value of the final product.
Freakish
10-24-2015, 11:05 AM
Cecily log on and make me some armor!
maskedmelon
10-24-2015, 11:42 AM
Go level tailoring to 250 and you will most likely change your perspective. Feel free to bump this thread in several months when you've done so.
This is a great option for anyone who has an issue w/ the prices others charge for their work ^^ If you don't want to pay their fee, do it yourself ^^
This is a great option for anyone who has an issue w/ the prices others charge for their work ^^ If you don't want to pay their fee, do it yourself ^^
But, but, ... It's so much easier to just whine about it!!!
xabler
10-24-2015, 12:30 PM
go spend 1-2 years farming mats and spend over 100k-200k in failure combines which are vendor trash. Maybe then you will think they are reasonable prices, oh BTW friend on mine at 250 failed 7 combines making the black panther boots. Stop thinking tailoring is just like any other trade skill.. go give it a try an see why so many give up and only the masochist gave a shot for so long. for anyone out there wanting to raise tailoring you should honestly wait for Wu's armor which will save you a lot of plat and time.
Go level tailoring to 250 and you will most likely change your perspective. Feel free to bump this thread in several months when you've done so.
Better yet have a guildmate do it for free.
Paying someone anything more than a port-style tip for a combine is asinine.
Sillyturtle
10-25-2015, 02:45 PM
Better yet have a guildmate do it for free.
Paying someone anything more than a port-style tip for a combine is asinine.
Pretty much this. Get a friend to do it.
If you want to earn 2k for pressing combine, go farm the fucking materials yourself, make the item and then sell it at market value.
Bitches up in here be crazy.
karanastorm
10-25-2015, 05:08 PM
On classic retail the yew leafs spawned on the ground as a bright green (very tiny) object you had to pick up off the ground, making it really difficult to find any of them. You could spend 5 hours and only find a couple, what I ended up doing for weeks till I got all mine to get my black pantherskin armor made back in classic retail. But on here they are so readily available the yew leafs. Think that needs to be changed.
Swish
10-26-2015, 08:53 AM
black panther skins? something to declare OP?
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