Discord - how do you handle people who just don't log in that much?

[Rastignac]

This might be a stupid question. But if the point of discord is last man standing, how do you deal with chars that are simply not logged in for much of the competition?

[Auchae]

Points based on kills. It isnt just last man standing.

[DRAGONBAIT]

yeah pvp will happen, gonna be crazy with roots and blinds landing etc. i never pvped on classic back on live with low resists etc, must be awesome.

[krazyGlue]

roll a wizard or druid

[DRAGONBAIT]

i was planing on a rogue honestly, i love challenge


edit : i will hidesneak away from this guys trains and bs him while fded

[Tassador]

Training you bitches don't give a fuck if I die

[miraclegrow2]

only losers roll druids

aka the worst players

[Somekid123]

Hide sneak won't do any good long as you make rogue your last target to tab back to, throw or cast to brake invis.

[DRAGONBAIT]

Hide sneak won't do any good long as you make rogue your last target to tab back to, throw or cast to brake invis.

can u target swap to an invised target without being on ur grp?

[Kergan]

If you are planning on relying on hide/sneak you probably wont make it past level 5.

[DRAGONBAIT]

i was trolling the troll since his comment was fun, i dont care about wining, im going to have fun so im not relying on anything. thanks for the tip tho kergan.
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pd : i hope everything is correctly WRITTEN ( no 'ed this time : ) )

[Kergan]

I wish they'd add some flavor to the melee classes to make them viable. Maybe warriors have super high innate resists - at least relative to other classes. Maybe start them at 50/all. Make it so rogue sneak/hide isn't seen through by see invs. Maybe monks get EQ live dmg tables so their fists hit pretty hard, or power up mend to be much better at lower skill levels.

I'd also give all classes a recall to bind point ability, but make classes without gate have a longer casting time - like 30 seconds or something.

[Colgate 2.0]

lol aren't monk live damage tables like 25 damage 25 delay at level 40?

[DRAGONBAIT]

na guys, stop thinkin on pvp being 1v1, warriors can use bows haha, this kind of pvp is all for the fun, shit wont be balanced, eq was never meant to be balanced 1v1 wise so...if u want to win just work ur way around it. i bet any class has a chance, especially if u playing in a grp. i bet the top players on the ranks will be people pvping with balanced grps, they will wreck the shit out of the server.

im rolling a solo rogue and im going ninja. is hard to cast on me anyways so i wont get rooted if i dont engage in melee range and i wont if its a lost fight

pd : <-- dies at lvl 3 after a couple hours of playing hahaha. who knows

[Baler]

On the topic of the OP. I agree in his line of question and here is my twist on it.

What happens when someone reaches the highest level on the server then simply doesn't log in to nullify their chances of being PK'd?
Meanwhile the lower level players are all killing each other off keeping that logged off guy on top?
Or a group of people pool their resources into a character(s) then log off and start again on different accounts to try and kill off anyone who is attempting to get any higher then the logged off character(s)?

[Gustoo]

We are going to have to bridge that bridge when we bridge it.

This discord server was not intended to have any pvp points system...

Getting to 50 should be pretty hard. On live no one made it to fifty. Apostle made it to 46 or 47 and got his brother up to like 35 or so. His bro was a ranger and he used him to track since apostle was a saint and didn't hax.

Didn't make official hall of fame because of name policy violation (Apostle Paul)

Sad story.

[Kergan]

lol aren't monk live damage tables like 25 damage 25 delay at level 40?

No not that high, but fists would be the preferred weapon. 11/33 at 20, 14/30 at 30, 17/28 at 40, 20/26 at 50.

I guess my point would be to make melees actually do something well on a server like this - warriors can take a lot of damage, monks can do a lot of damage, rogues "stealthy" abilities are actually effective.

[Kergan]

We are going to have to bridge that bridge when we bridge it.

This discord server was not intended to have any pvp points system...

Getting to 50 should be pretty hard. On live no one made it to fifty. Apostle made it to 46 or 47 and got his brother up to like 35 or so. His bro was a ranger and he used him to track since apostle was a saint and didn't hax.

Didn't make official hall of fame because of name policy violation (Apostle Paul)

Sad story.

You can't really compare how people will play on this Discord vs live. Live was based around PVP points, and it was actually somewhat of a hindrance to outlevel the competition. Although you could kill anyone, only +/- 20 gave PVP points, so if you're 45 and the majority of the server is sitting in the 20-30 range, you're losing a good amount of potential targets you can kill for points. Plus, once you've killed off a bunch of the level 30ish people they either quit or restart, creating even less opportunities to gain points. If you look at the top 5 or whatever from discord on live, only 1 or 2 were over level 30 - the rest farmed points in the 20s.

If level is the only deciding factor on the winners, I can all but guarantee the people who are victorious will actively avoid PVP as much as possible, play a class that can solo outdoors exceptionally well and have good escape abilities (i.e. druids, wizards and necros), and stick to out of the way large zones where they can see people coming a mile away. Plus, to the original point, if you managed to hit 50 it would be in your best interest to simply retire the character.

[Cecily]

On the topic of the OP. I agree in his line of question and here is my twist on it.

What happens when someone reaches the highest level on the server then simply doesn't log in to nullify their chances of being PK'd?
Meanwhile the lower level players are all killing each other off keeping that logged off guy on top?
Or a group of people pool their resources into a character(s) then log off and start again on different accounts to try and kill off anyone who is attempting to get any higher then the logged off character(s)?

I don't see a problem with any of that. A person not logged in isn't raising their PK count, so others have the chance to catch them. Lowbies murdering each other is gonna happen regardless. And if a group manipulates the system in favor of one character, that's their reward for banding together. Nothing is preventing other people from doing the same and EQ really doesn't work well solo.

(Almost) everyone is a loser on Discord and most of you are gonna die horrible deaths. Wouldn't worry about winning so much and just settle in for the hardcore masochistic experience you know it's gonna be.

Edit: I was under the assumption winners would be based off of PKs. If it's leveled based that's kinda.. dumb.

[Gustoo]

I think the reason for a non PVP points system is because the pvp points system is highly exploitable as well.

[Bazia]

if u are going to play this and not pick wiz or dru ur going to have a bad time

[krazyGlue]

if u are going to play this and not pick wiz or dru ur going to have a bad time

[Stasis01]

Need to enable instant cast cheaply recharged permafrost root nets if you want the classic red99 feel.

The ones that landed on 100 mr 50% of the time with Nulls code.

[Bazia]

dont think it matters either way, DRU rapes everything and WIZ 2 shot people in classic

[DRAGONBAIT]

dont think it matters either way, DRU rapes everything and WIZ 2 shot people in classic

well dont let em cast on u then.

[DRAGONBAIT]

shaman must be best pvp class without resists honestly, followed by necro. but shaman just have more hp/ac and better overal, necro without clickie is not that good.

im going to play a rogue.

[Bazia]

u have no clue what you are talking about

[LostCause]

dru/wiz aren't that great low lvl

but guess it won't matter with 300% xp or whatever its gonna be.

[DRAGONBAIT]

yeah i think i do. maybe pallys or clerics are good too

[HippoNipple]

dru/wiz aren't that great low lvl

but guess it won't matter with 300% xp or whatever its gonna be.

By level 12 wiz DD does 2x as much as any other class and it interrupts but not sure what you mean by low level pvp.

[cronik]

34 shaman is beast. They rule the mid-range.

But that's about it. A well- played one is a decent contender later on but that's about the best that could be said about him.

[DRAGONBAIT]

34 shaman is beast. They rule the mid-range.

But that's about it. A well- played one is a decent contender later on but that's about the best that could be said about him.

i dont agree. im lvl 55 and shaman is a beast. i think that only necros are better. sks after but theres no best class really. everything has a counter

[cronik]

Good luck with your 55 shaman on classic discord bro.

Lemme know how you handle the roaming pvp band with a bard.

[DRAGONBAIT]

i will try to fight a bard opendoors no prob, if not ill just gate away whats the deal? i dont think my lvl 55 shammy will be allowed into discord will he?

ill be playing a rougue, already said it

[Kergan]

It is classic - level 50 is the cap.

Rogue will likely be the worst class, warrior being the only one close to the bottom with them. It's doubtful you'll even make it to 10 for backstab. They literally have every possible thing going against them - low hp, no ability to heal, gear dependent with nobody doing dungeons, no access to resist gear, no access to clickies, no gate or escapability of any kind, no ability to solo...you name it.

[derpcake]

Lemme know how you handle the roaming pvp band with a bard.

with cheetah and safe play, a shm has a decent chance to make it a the zoneline or gate

better then any non-cheetah class that can't dot itself and buff its own resists, right?

[derpcake]

But that's about it. A well- played one is a decent contender later on but that's about the best that could be said about him.

on discord it will be more about staying alive then getting the first 100 kills

shm looks pretty good at that

i'm half french and play a shm on r99, trust me on knowing what class is good at fleeing

anyone that isn't in the bard AE group that succeeds loses day 1 though, so its irrelevant anyway

[Kergan]

The problem with shm is they are weak offensively before 24 and defensively before 19. Getting to 24 isn't going to be that easy. 24-34 they are pretty beast mode though, if a group can carry one that far it'll pay off.

[Colgate 2.0]

shamans are very strong in the 1-9 bracket as far as pvp goes; blind is a level 1 spell

they're very difficult to level up until you hit level 24 when you get regeneration and cannibalize, after that it's a breeze

[heartbrand]

It is classic - level 50 is the cap.

Rogue will likely be the worst class, warrior being the only one close to the bottom with them. It's doubtful you'll even make it to 10 for backstab. They literally have every possible thing going against them - low hp, no ability to heal, gear dependent with nobody doing dungeons, no access to resist gear, no access to clickies, no gate or escapability of any kind, no ability to solo...you name it.

gear dependent in an era with no gear

[derpcake]

shamans are very strong in the 1-9 bracket as far as pvp goes; blind is a level 1 spell

if server has r99 code, blind gonna be pretty goog

doubt anyone ever gonna resist it

[Gustoo]

Also I dunno if you know this but ogres can be shamans.

Another tip is that they won't be in faydwer for a while and are KOS to guards, so 1-9 bracket for ogre is going to be some lonely monsters in the swamp and some lonely tall men in the ice, possibly crushing some random people who chose to start in qeynos area.

[cronik]

on discord it will be more about staying alive then getting the first 100 kills

shm looks pretty good at that

i'm half french and play a shm on r99, trust me on knowing what class is good at fleeing

anyone that isn't in the bard AE group that succeeds loses day 1 though, so its irrelevant anyway

I think that if you get caught by a bard group you're pretty toast unless you're DAMNED close to a zone line or get a gate off. There's gonna be soooo much cc/dmg flying at you that moving after they're on you is unlikely (blind, root, snare, etc) to be successful with no MR/resists. SoC will help get you to zone line if you're close tho, can't argue that.

I think shammies are great but I agree with the other statement: if you're not in a serious perma group on day 1, ideally with a bard, you're already just in it for funsies, at which point I wouldn't pick a class that has such a tough climb and high risk (no pet for a while, which means you're taking damage/at more risk while fighting, and charming solo is lols)

29 is a horrible level for solo shammies, and cannibalize at 24 is a pretty damned risky proposition imo. Its no worse than a bunch of other classes really with plenty of its own perks, but I'd rather pick a class with more offensive potential early on if I were going solo and knew my days were numbered. I don't think 19-34 for shammy will be nearly as easy as people are used to if you have to keep hps high and risk low.

Whatever tho. It's all just nonsense talk if you're playing solo. Imo play any non-gear-dependent class you enjoy solo and play well, and enjoy the ride. Just make sure your class is fun in the first 20 levels because it's silly to plan for late-game potential if you have so much stacked against you.

[miraclegrow2]

^ Listen to this idiot

very few will ever see level 30

[cronik]

Also I dunno if you know this but ogres can be shamans.

Another tip is that they won't be in faydwer for a while and are KOS to guards, so 1-9 bracket for ogre is going to be some lonely monsters in the swamp and some lonely tall men in the ice, possibly crushing some random people who chose to start in qeynos area.

population and spawn competition is gonna make things VERY interesting, depending on numbers. Some race's lack of class diversity means less likely for GROUP competition in ogre/barb/eru areas tho, so they're probably safer areas in a lot of ways since you're more likely to get solo/duo aggression with limited spells instead of getting boned by a diverse class set of 5-6 people, if not more.

So agreed on your advice's premise: if you're solo try to avoid starting areas with diverse class pools to choose from... They're more likely to have serious some-control efforts by bigger groups/guilds.

[cronik]

^ Listen to this idiot

very few will ever see level 30

After the 2-3 hours zone control will likely be in place for the majority of important lowbie areas, leaving easily 50% of the peeps quitting or rerolling mages in steamfont

The sololers with aspirations are in for a bad time, especially if enough red guild efforts are in place.

[SamwiseRed]

Most people will die from pve just fyi

[cronik]

That's depressing to even think about, but ya.

Crap like werewolf at WK zone line.

[iruinedyourday]

Its been said before but the Dark Assassin is going to break some hearts.

[SamwiseRed]

orc warlord is gonna protect cb

[miraclegrow2]

After the 2-3 hours zone control will likely be in place for the majority of important lowbie areas, leaving easily 50% of the peeps quitting or rerolling mages in steamfont

The sololers with aspirations are in for a bad time, especially if enough red guild efforts are in place.

will be a mage, and will have a non aggression pact with other gnomes

looking for more gnome mage pals to start gnome mage only guild !

25 level 8 earth pets in gfay = tits

[cronik]

You want air pets too brah

[vouss]

no one wants to play with you tomatoking

[Efwan]

no one wants to play with you tomatoking