Moregan

[Rogean]

Since he has insisted on making this public, I'm going to make a short statement.

Moregan has parted ways with the guide program due to a difference in opinions and personalities among the fellow staff. There's no need to make this seem like a bigger deal than it is, we go through guides all the time. It is not an easy or fun job. Per policy his guide forum account has been deactivated. His player forum account has been given a 3 day suspension to let him have some time. The account and threads will not be permanently banned / deleted unless one sided comments regarding internal matters are being made. Since we do not comment on internal matters on public forums, those threads would be deleted.

You can use this thread to say good bye to Moregan. Keep it civil please.

Thanks,

Rog

[Morlaeth]

Bye buddy :(

[jarshale]

See you around Moregan. Thanks again for the times you've helped me out ingame.

[Oleris]

no more department of fun? :(

[dafier]

Thanks for all your help Moregan.

[Sorn]

no more department of fun? :(

We're still here, we just can't turn you into raptors anymore.

[Pokesan]

thanks for the magic

[Oleris]

also rip green grocer

[Nocsucow]

Moregan seemed like good honest dude

[Oleris]

wait, was moregan = greengrocer?

[Tinino]

Thanks for my ban Moregan.

[Rivthis]

wait, was moregan = greengrocer?

Yes

[Kushie]

Moregan was by far *the best* guide on the team. He should be lead GM imo.

[AzzarTheGod]

Since he has insisted on making this public, I'm going to make a short statement.

Moregan has parted ways with the guide program due to a difference in opinions and personalities among the fellow staff. There's no need to make this seem like a bigger deal than it is, we go through guides all the time. It is not an easy or fun job. Per policy his guide forum account has been deactivated. His player forum account has been given a 3 day suspension to let him have some time. The account and threads will not be permanently banned / deleted unless one sided comments regarding internal matters are being made. Since we do not comment on internal matters on public forums, those threads would be deleted.

You can use this thread to say good bye to Moregan. Keep it civil please.

Thanks,

Rog

Hi Daddy 'Gean,

I am sorry Moregan did not work out. He seemed to be on his way to bigger things.

I noticed that Derubael does not have VIP / Contributor forum retired account status either.

So my question if you feel so inclined to clarify: Moregan is receiving the Derubael treatment? aka not "honorably discharged"? He is not welcome, and therefore will not be being given the uthgaard/secrets/etc. honors of a green name and official account remaining open?


Not being snarky. Always wondered if being welcome/granted forum title/retaining original account meant the guide/GM retired on good terms with staff, or if people are reading too much into it?

Thx 4 the box.

[Duane]

http://i.imgur.com/vOHQyVs.png

[Kushie]

Moregan G.O.A.T.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2lvqc7EVb1ru3ss4o1_250.png

[Kekephee]

I hope whoever replaces Moregan continues using their GM powers for good by assisting in fun events and player-made content rather than doing bad things like things I'm not going to name that other GMs have done (since this isn't RnF)

[JDFriend99]

Hey regardless of indifference, although I never really got people banned for trying to bully camps or ks me, at least he showed up. Most times ive petitioned ive gotten tells and never met anyone. He was professional and respectful to me as a player and I hope we get someone that does the same. Without any differences the staff may have had.

Thanks for serving the players and keeping it real.

-Tluth...

[heartbrand]

Morgean was the best guide I've ever encountered on P99, not even close. A lot of things I'd like to say but I'm sure all of them would get me banned.

[Wrench]

pity reply

i just noticed you had the greengrocier account friended

why would you friend your own alternate forum account?

[Rivthis]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q57/rivthis/Tombstone.jpg



:(

[fishingme]

Does "we" include past guides on commenting on internal matters?

[Kekephee]

I made a Moregan Citizen-Support thread for people who want to offer a man-on-the-street perspective that Rogean, in his position, may not be getting. I put it in RnF because I know the chances are pretty good for it turning into poops. I encourage anyone who has kind words about Moregan and the job he did to share them.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213065

[am0n]

Good luck, Moregan! Thanks for your help when I needed it and I hope things work out for you, whether in this game or the next!

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/vOHQyVs.png

[LGraves]

Thanks Moregan for all you have done. Take care man!

[Champion_Standing]

pity reply

You finally made me lol

[AzzarTheGod]

i bet it had something to do with him being cucked by senior staff. seems like the dude did alot of work, but had no power and was probably frustrated at the rate of CS he was able to deal out in relation to his work load.

I doubt daddy 'gean will comment further on internal matters. So it is all speculation.

Needless to say Moregan isn't retaining the Moregan account as a Ambrotos VIP contributor along with Uthgaard, Secrets and the boys as it appears his green account has been deactivated and he will not be allowed to retain any type of status.

[captnamazing]

pity reply

http://i.imgur.com/pMibuTE.gif

you're cold as ice
willing to sacrifice your fun

[Pyrocat]

cucked

go back to breitbart

[AzzarTheGod]

huh?

Its a politcal term now. "Cuckservative" is actually a thing now in the news/blogosphere.

Grown establishment adults call each other "cucks" now in reference to their political stances.

[Ragnaros]

He was like the only guide who did anything..wut?

[Nuggie]

Thanks for the time you put in helping people, as well as keeping others in line.

[Gustoo]

Seems like a huge bummer. RIP in peace moregan

[Kushie]

this thread isnt moving nearly fast enough to my liking. the amount of people scared to lose there characters over questioning the inner workings of the server they play on is staggering lol.

why does this server have such a high turn over rate when it comes to GMs and guides, why is the most successful eq emu also the worst CS one? these are the questions that blow my fucking mind.

6 years of free labor is hard to come by. Especially quality customer service labor.

[Kowalski]

He got caught scalping tickets to the bum fights in EC tunnel

[Gardur]

Moregan best guide I've known on the project and responsible for the ONLY event on red in the last year.

Was my blue pal on port/grocer and my red pal on redgrocer in Fresh.

RIP

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Haven't been on this server for 30+ years like some. But, in my short time, Moregan was the only GM I saw in game save for that one that would come talk shit in Red /ooc unless you were trading/LFG. Guy put together PvP events that were streamed. (BADASS) He made me change every name I had on an account one time so I know he did something. (7 names which were in violation).

I appreciate everything we have here on this server and I know there must be a solid reason for this.

But...

Shocker.... like, really surprising.

[Sorn]

There won't be any changes to the turnover rate until there's a change in how the higher ups handle internal issues. That is the bottom line here.

Personally, I disapprove of this turn of events and not only because I want to be a raptor during fun events. Moregan is a good leader and team player. He motivates people to do things and he worked hard to get stuff done. He reaches out to others. These are good qualities in a person and a guide.

So long, Moregan. This isn't the end, though. See you at the ChEQmate tournament, because it IS happening whether you turn us into raptors and unicorns or not!

[arsenalpow]

do a lot of drugs, by chance?

If you only knew...

[Giovanni]

Morgean was the best guide I've ever encountered on P99

[Sadad]

http://i.imgur.com/vOHQyVs.png

[zanderklocke]

Why do guides never post why they were removed or left?

I mean really if there was some sort of corruption or internal faults, it would be pretty darn easy to post about it on an external site and share it with people via tells in game. This is why I'm always skeptical of the internal corruption rumors.

Greengrocer, to be honest, I always thought your role playing of selling food items in the tunnel was pretty weird, but I hope you have fun doing something else.

[bktroost]

I'm 5 years on the server, I've never had a single interaction with him... Or any guide/GM other than Eunomia, Deru and Sirken.

[Charak]

Posts are vanishing in front of my eyes

[Ravager]

To Reddit!

[fishingme]

I've had a few chats with Moregan, seemed like a good guide for the players, and not one that became one for the power that one has.

[fishingme]

Why do guides never post why they were removed or left?

I mean really if there was some sort of corruption or internal faults, it would be pretty darn easy to post about it on an external site and share it with people via tells in game. This is why I'm always skeptical of the internal corruption rumors.

Greengrocer, to be honest, I always thought your role playing of selling food items in the tunnel was pretty weird, but I hope you have fun doing something else.

I'm pretty sure uthgard did. At any rate, fear of retaliation. For not doing it on an external website, maybe they just don't care enough.

[kaev]

this thread isnt moving nearly fast enough to my liking. the amount of people scared to lose there characters over questioning the inner workings of the server they play on is staggering lol.

why does this server have such a high turn over rate when it comes to GMs and guides, why is the most successful eq emu also the worst CS one? these are the questions that blow my fucking mind.

Obvious answer is obvious. When the number of actual human beings playing on the server is only double-digits there just isn't diddly nor squat required in the way of assistance & dispute resolution compared to when you have over 1000 concurrent players on a daily basis.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm pretty sure uthgard did. At any rate, fear of retaliation. For not doing it on an external website, maybe they just don't care enough.

Uthgaard was removed on "good" terms. He was also full GM. Big difference from a guide. Can't remember if Sirken was lead CSR during the uthgaard era or not. Would have made uthgaard a subordinate GM.

[fishingme]

Uthgaard was removed on "good" terms. He was also full GM. Big difference from a guide. Can't remember if Sirken was lead CSR during the uthgaard era or not. Would have made uthgaard a subordinate GM.

I don't really recall sirken being a GM back then. The only GMs/guides I ever had contact with back then was bort, uthgard, xzerion, and a GM whose name started with an H, like hobby?

[fandAONgo]

moregan was the coolest GM

rip dishonorable duels on red

[iruinedyourday]

moregan was the coolest GM

rip dishonorable duels on red

http://i.imgur.com/4ephf0O.gif

[Ambrotos]

I'm 5 years on the server, I've never had a single interaction with him... Or any guide/GM other than Eunomia, Deru and Sirken.

I'll tell your mother on you. Shame, Shame! Such lies.

Why do guides never post why they were removed or left?

I mean really if there was some sort of corruption or internal faults, it would be pretty darn easy to post about it on an external site and share it with people via tells in game. This is why I'm always skeptical of the internal corruption rumors.

Greengrocer, to be honest, I always thought your role playing of selling food items in the tunnel was pretty weird, but I hope you have fun doing something else.

The guides/gms who are no longer around leave on bad terms. So they hang their head and go. I think Zade and myself are the only ones who weren't fired/removed. I know I just moved on for my own reasons. Being a guide is the same shit as having a job in real life. There are politics, frustration, supervisors you don't always agree with, overbearing work load that has a tendency to never get done, and just the feeling you are beating your head against the wall. Interaction with the players and doing small things like illusions between petitions and having people chat you up because of it is pretty much the most rewarding part.

Yet you players know how most of the server acts, so it can be rare to have a great conversation with people you are helping. You get so pumped you clean out petitions in game, and get like 50 IP exemptions done ( shit takes a long time. Typing #ipexempt char 321723984, hot keys don't work for it unless you tab back to #ipexempt. Still time consuming to do that also) and you turn around and some dude is fishing real life information about you, or just being a total pain in the ass to other players. It's a drain. Some people can take it for a long period of time, others can't, and the ones left are the ones who really who are afk anyways and it doesn't bother them since they don't get their hands dirty.

Unless the ip exemption stuff has changed, and it should, I think that will be one of the major flaws for guides. It's the number 1 time consuming action a guide can do ( a lot more goes into it other than the in game command). The leeway for petitionable items is also a drain. There is a reason why Sirken has almost 200 petitions only he can do. I would rather be told tough shit, you dropped items on your own, than have my petition sit for the next 4 months without any response. Of course Sirken is the only one allowed to since Deru shit the bed and most likely won't be another GM with database access again.

Yes it's a thankless job. Yes guides/gm spend their free time doing it. There is also a reasonable notion that there should be a reasonable response to issues, and not cry about " omgerhhhed we don't get paid. You wanted the position, you got it. That's your incentive.

There are good and bad things. Things can always be improved.

Also, I had a guy who owned a company offer body armor/fun stuff for when I was deployed. So there are some great people on this server, there are also a lot of debby downers. I hope this cleared it up for you.

[Fame]

Moregan and Derupal were awesome people who got tired of sticking to the narrative,

Sad to see them go, really wonder what the actual reason was for leaving

[Tupakk]

Moregan and Derupal were awesome people who got tired of sticking to the narrative,

Sad to see them go, really wonder what the actual reason was for leaving

Rogean

[Pheer]

Moregan and Derupal were awesome people who got tired of sticking to the narrative,

Sad to see them go, really wonder what the actual reason was for leaving

If you were sad to see derubael go then you really have no idea why hes gone

[Fame]

No one gives a shit about blue pal, let men be men

[Pheer]

No one gives a shit about blue pal, let men be men

guess talking about your e-hero struck a nerve huh

[JackFlash]

I'll tell your mother on you. Shame, Shame! Such lies.



The guides/gms who are no longer around leave on bad terms. So they hang their head and go. I think Zade and myself are the only ones who weren't fired/removed. I know I just moved on for my own reasons. Being a guide is the same shit as having a job in real life. There are politics, frustration, supervisors you don't always agree with, overbearing work load that has a tendency to never get done, and just the feeling you are beating your head against the wall. Interaction with the players and doing small things like illusions between petitions and having people chat you up because of it is pretty much the most rewarding part.

Yet you players know how most of the server acts, so it can be rare to have a great conversation with people you are helping. You get so pumped you clean out petitions in game, and get like 50 IP exemptions done ( shit takes a long time. Typing #ipexempt char 321723984, hot keys don't work for it unless you tab back to #ipexempt. Still time consuming to do that also) and you turn around and some dude is fishing real life information about you, or just being a total pain in the ass to other players. It's a drain. Some people can take it for a long period of time, others can't, and the ones left are the ones who really who are afk anyways and it doesn't bother them since they don't get their hands dirty.

Unless the ip exemption stuff has changed, and it should, I think that will be one of the major flaws for guides. It's the number 1 time consuming action a guide can do ( a lot more goes into it other than the in game command). The leeway for petitionable items is also a drain. There is a reason why Sirken has almost 200 petitions only he can do. I would rather be told tough shit, you dropped items on your own, than have my petition sit for the next 4 months without any response. Of course Sirken is the only one allowed to since Deru shit the bed and most likely won't be another GM with database access again.

Yes it's a thankless job. Yes guides/gm spend their free time doing it. There is also a reasonable notion that there should be a reasonable response to issues, and not cry about " omgerhhhed we don't get paid. You wanted the position, you got it. That's your incentive.

There are good and bad things. Things can always be improved.

Also, I had a guy who owned a company offer body armor/fun stuff for when I was deployed. So there are some great people on this server, there are also a lot of debby downers. I hope this cleared it up for you.

This sounds just like being a restaurant owner.....

[Lojik]

I'd say something bad about Rogean but he won my "last post wins" thread so I can't.







EVEN THOUGH HE CHEATED

[AzzarTheGod]

Moregan and Derupal were awesome people who got tired of sticking to the narrative,

Sad to see them go, really wonder what the actual reason was for leaving

This is server chat.

I really had to remind myself of that when I read your post considering how ignorant it could be accidentally construed as, it nearly triggered me heh.

Putting Moregan and Derubael in the same sentence is disrespectful to Moregan. One was a good Guide who wanted to be able to do more for the community, and one was a good GM who isn't welcome here any longer who dashed the chance of having another GM help Sirken for at least the next few years.

[Secrets]

Greengrocer is Einhorn! Einhorn is Greengrocer!

or something

honestly i shouldn't talk about people being dismissed from the guide program :P

[Secrets]

I think Zade and myself are the only ones who weren't fired/removed.

:O

[Zinyen]

Moregan and Derupal were awesome people who got tired of sticking to the narrative,

Sad to see them go, really wonder what the actual reason was for leaving

If we see less gigantic corpses and weird-model corpses all over the place, i think we'll have our answer. have fun, keep it classic.

[AzzarTheGod]

secrets bb come back to staff. :o

[Masakizt]

he WAS a petition answering badass.

[heartbrand]

Stop choosing poor people who sell cupcakes and grow drugs in their basement to be GMs and start choosing successful businessmen who don't need to sell mana stones to pay their mortgage.

Go pats

[Toodles]

So let's make a post about not making posts about something that isn't to be discussed any ways.

Well played sir

[Lojik]

Stop choosing poor people who sell cupcakes and grow drugs in their basement to be GMs and start choosing successful businessmen who don't need to sell mana stones to pay their mortgage.

Go pats

Trump for guide 2016?

[Bruno]

Stop choosing poor people who sell cupcakes and grow drugs in their basement to be GMs and start choosing successful businessmen who don't need to sell mana stones to pay their mortgage.

Go pats

That's the most reasonable thing I've ever read from a red player. Congrats.

[zanderklocke]

I feel like time commitment is what turned me off from ever even considering being a guide. I do not have 20+ hours a week I can devote to something for no pay.

If it was like 5 hours a week, that would be more feasible for me. I sometimes wonder if it would be easier to get more "great" guides if there were greater numbers of guides but each was working less required hours a week in the role.

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-YVt4gfquA
Be well & best wishes in all future endeavors.

[titanshub]

I didn't know you Moregan and I only saw you in game once, but when our guildie got into a death loop and we petitioned for somebody to help him, you moved him to the top of P1 in Oasis where everybody could see him. It was pretty funny and I wish you the best of luck :)

[this user was banned]

His player forum account has been given a 3 day suspension to let him have some time.

WTF does this even mean?!

[am0n]

I feel like time commitment is what turned me off from ever even considering being a guide. I do not have 20+ hours a week I can devote to something for no pay.

If it was like 5 hours a week, that would be more feasible for me. I sometimes wonder if it would be easier to get more "great" guides if there were greater numbers of guides but each was working less required hours a week in the role.

That is pretty much where I am. I could do 5 hours a week as a way to help support the server. I spoke to someone not long ago that suggested 10 hours min, which I thought was rough, but maybe doable down the road. But then I read Sirken saying 15-20 hours. That's too much time for me to want to devote to it, let alone able to.

However, I do hope they are able to find some people of quality who can support the game at that level of commitment.

[bktroost]

I feel like time commitment is what turned me off from ever even considering being a guide. I do not have 20+ hours a week I can devote to something for no pay.

If it was like 5 hours a week, that would be more feasible for me. I sometimes wonder if it would be easier to get more "great" guides if there were greater numbers of guides but each was working less required hours a week in the role.

Yes but security measures and quality control would be a whole new need to facilitate.

However, I recommend reallocating resources.

Sirken because GM Director and is in charge of recruiting Guides/GMs, training them and quality control. He also handles the politics in game and that's all he has to do (it will be a cushy, but full time job ((making work schedules, prioritizing job loads, trainings, etc)))

He hires in about 15 new five-hour-a-week guides and four ten-hour-a-week GMs. (before he was pulling 20 hours, if he manages four GMs pulling 10 that would double the resources for his previous workload.)

Sirken is now in charge of less than 20 people to manage quality control, the server has a central person to get the CSR staff on the same page for rulings and policies, Rogean has to only communicate to ONE person (sirken) to move then entire CSR boat any direction he wants and we just doubled if not tripled the amount of resources we were throwing at the problem. Also, at 5-10 hours a week you would get a lot more guides...easily.

Only thing I'd change is if there was a concern on security issues, I'd throw in a trustworthy GM to be constantly checking on those four mini GMs that have database access. If there are only four of you with access and someone who's JOB it is to watch you then you won't step out of line.


But that's just how I would do it.

[Tupakk]

Yes but security measures and quality control would be a whole new need to facilitate.

However, I recommend reallocating resources.

Sirken because GM Director and is in charge of recruiting Guides/GMs, training them and quality control. He also handles the politics in game and that's all he has to do (it will be a cushy, but full time job ((making work schedules, prioritizing job loads, trainings, etc)))

He hires in about 15 new five-hour-a-week guides and four ten-hour-a-week GMs. (before he was pulling 20 hours, if he manages four GMs pulling 10 that would double the resources for his previous workload.)

Sirken is now in charge of less than 20 people to manage quality control, the server has a central person to get the CSR staff on the same page for rulings and policies, Rogean has to only communicate to ONE person (sirken) to move then entire CSR boat any direction he wants and we just doubled if not tripled the amount of resources we were throwing at the problem. Also, at 5-10 hours a week you would get a lot more guides...easily.

Only thing I'd change is if there was a concern on security issues, I'd throw in a trustworthy GM to be constantly checking on those four mini GMs that have database access. If there are only four of you with access and someone who's JOB it is to watch you then you won't step out of line.


But that's just how I would do it.

You hit the nail on the head. Common sense isn't strong here though.

[portbitch69]

im happy the servers are online nearly 24/7

[Rivthis]

it will be a cushy, but full time job

Better get those donations rolling in to support this.

Wonder what daybreak would say about 1 paid employee here.

[Malevz]

Sorry to see you go Moregan!

[Bionic]

Thank you for helping me out, Moregan. You were fast to respond and very courteous in our conversation. Best wishes to you, sir.

[Sweettouch]

Rip in peace, bring back the Greengrocer atleast you evil people

[fiegi 8.0]

yea this is a shame, Guide Moregan would literally respond within 3 minutes of asking for assistance. Does this mean the petition queue is gonna bog down even worse?:(

[bktroost]

Better get those donations rolling in to support this.

Wonder what daybreak would say about 1 paid employee here.

cushy volunteer position, so to speak. Less labor intensive and more admin.

[heartbrand]

cushy volunteer position, so to speak. Less labor intensive and more admin.

It doesn't take a salary to get a competent volunteer, it takes not choosing unemployed pot heads / PTSD sufferers / people who have never made it past level 10 / 50 year old single females with 11 cats / people desperate for money. I spent years in the guide program on Live in an administrative position, and I can't even count fully on one hand "bad apples", through hundreds of people who came and went through the program that were under me. Something is wrong with the process here obviously when you have this many people leave on terrible terms either through their own misconduct or other action.

[SamwiseRed]

gotta agree with HB. I was on a guide on live several times on different servers (from resigning and coming back) and not once did I encounter someone go full retard like people do on here do. All my fellow guides and senior were employed cool and normal people. /shrug

[Keykey]

The guides/gms who are no longer around leave on bad terms.
No

So they hang their head and go.
Or maybe they just leave quietly and don't attempt to undo any of the good they did for the server with hours and hours of volunteer time.

I think Zade and myself are the only ones who weren't fired/removed.
No

[SamwiseRed]

take Amelinda for instance, it took me a whole first time logging in to realize she was bat shit crazy. Derubael seemed cool most of the time, same with Ephi so I can see how mistakes were made (not even 100% sure what Deru did) but seriously... Amelinda.... really? How in the hell did she make it past her guide application?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Stop choosing poor people who sell cupcakes and grow drugs in their basement to be GMs and start choosing successful businessmen who don't need to sell mana stones to pay their mortgage.

Go pats

Successful businessperson have time/want to volunteer 20 hours a week for free. LOL

Pats are fine. Fuck your girl Tom Brady tho

[heartbrand]

Successful businessperson have time/want to volunteer 20 hours a week for free. LOL

Pats are fine. Fuck your girl Tom Brady tho

For a guide who simply summons corpses, changes surnames, "observes", I can't imagine it is too difficult to put EQ on a third monitor and type /surname or /summoncorpse or w/e it is, while on the phone.

[SamwiseRed]

I hear the guides here don't even have to fill out DSRs, so lucky.

Last server I guided on was Bertox

http://i.imgur.com/XFKTf6L.jpg

[Keykey]

For a guide who simply summons corpses, changes surnames, "observes", I can't imagine it is too difficult to put EQ on a third monitor and type /surname or /summoncorpse or w/e it is, while on the phone.

CLUELESS

[heartbrand]

CLUELESS

Yes, I am clearly clueless from being a Senior Guide on live where you had to fill out a DSR essay if you simply logged on to hand a cookie to a player for three and a half minutes, where I had to submit weekly & monthly reports on everything guides did on the server, where even requesting an event be ran was an administrative PITA. Thanks for your input.

[SamwiseRed]

Yup even with the DSR tool they eventually provided (automated alot of the report using your logs) you still had to write at least a paragraph or so. LOL at "if you simply logged on to hand a cookie to a player for three and a half minutes" because it so true. God forbid you wanted to "split" your guiding time up in hour intervals for one day. You would have to fill out a report for each time you logged in. It was biggest turn off of the entire guide program honestly but I guess it was a necessary evil.

[-TK-]

The reaction of GG to this situation should tell you a lot about his mental state and seems to only reaffirm the decision to remove him, despite his 'fun' personality. This appears to be a difference of opinion. I found his reaction very immature. If you don't see a problem with spamming thread after thread on account after account, then you might really consider stepping away from the game for a month or so.

Whatever the internal struggles of the system might be, there has to be a system. As someone who does professional hiring, and subsequently firing, I know it's difficult to find quality employees. I can only imagine it is exacerbated on the internet for a volunteer position to an emulated video game where the minimum requirement to apply is having a pulse.

While guiding sounds fun to some people, they may forget that there is a large responsibility associated with it and they are entering into a system that has already been well established. Like most jobs it's most likely not that glamorous. It's okay to have opinions, but one should have the presence of mind to realize that changes will most likely be small and made over a long time period, and at the end of the day, you as the individual do not have control. I agree with HB and Sam that getting away from basement dwellers is ideal, but as it has been stated, with the time requirements for the guide position, hiring competent, successful, level-headed persons has to be difficult.

At the end of the day, a lot of people forget that this is just a hobby. While the devs and admin are passionate about P99, it's still just a game.

[Sweettouch]

]The reaction of GG to this situation should tell you a lot about his mental state and seems to only reaffirm the decision to remove him, despite his 'fun' personality. This appears to be a difference of opinion. I found his reaction very immature. If you don't see a problem with spamming thread after thread on account after account, then you might really consider stepping away from the game for a month or so.

Whatever the internal struggles of the system might be, there has to be a system. As someone who does professional hiring, and subsequently firing, I know it's difficult to find quality employees. I can only imagine it is exacerbated on the internet for a volunteer position to an emulated video game where the minimum requirement to apply is having a pulse.

While guiding sounds fun to some people, they may forget that there is a large responsibility associated with it and they are entering into a system that has already been well established. Like most jobs it's most likely not that glamorous. It's okay to have opinions, but one should have the presence of mind to realize that changes will most likely be small and made over a long time period, and at the end of the day, you as the individual do not have control. I agree with HB and Sam that getting away from basement dwellers is ideal, but as it has been stated, with the time requirements for the guide position, hiring competent, successful, level-headed persons has to be difficult.

At the end of the day, a lot of people forget that this is just a hobby. While the devs and admin are passionate about P99, it's still just a game.


You must be the butthurt person who couldnt take a meat joke

6758

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You must be the butthurt person who couldnt take a meat joke

6758

I'm not sure what this is in reference to, but I enjoyed GG's stories and antics until recently and have had extremely limited interaction with him.

[Champion_Standing]

It doesn't take a salary to get a competent volunteer, it takes not choosing unemployed pot heads / PTSD sufferers / people who have never made it past level 10 / 50 year old single females with 11 cats / people desperate for money. I spent years in the guide program on Live in an administrative position, and I can't even count fully on one hand "bad apples", through hundreds of people who came and went through the program that were under me. Something is wrong with the process here obviously when you have this many people leave on terrible terms either through their own misconduct or other action.

Has there even once been a normal "leaving the guide program thanks guys" moment around here?

[Ennewi]

Thank you for helping me out, Moregan. You were fast to respond and very courteous in our conversation. Best wishes to you, sir.

[SherlockHolmes99]

Greengrocer was by far the most entertaining roleplaying character ive ever met on p99!!! Hope to see u again sir!

[simp403]

It doesn't take a salary to get a competent volunteer, it takes not choosing unemployed pot heads / PTSD sufferers / people who have never made it past level 10 / 50 year old single females with 11 cats / people desperate for money. I spent years in the guide program on Live in an administrative position, and I can't even count fully on one hand "bad apples", through hundreds of people who came and went through the program that were under me. Something is wrong with the process here obviously when you have this many people leave on terrible terms either through their own misconduct or other action.

When GMs cannot be paid, getting responsible people to fill the position will be next to impossible. The few responsible people you do get will also be more likely to tell the "upper management" how inefficient their hacked-together system is and subsequently become frustrated and leave. What kind of professional in their right mind would want to volunteer their free time to work under a dysfunctional system of management for free? Furthermore, there's virtually no chance of actual change due to the fact that it's not a business. There's no revenue to be lost if poor quality service is offered, which means there's little incentive to institute meaningful change to the system.

[Kushie]

Many posts in this thread have been censored. RIP Moregan

[lostcucusPass]

thx you for just left after banning me :)

[AzzarTheGod]

Yes but security measures and quality control would be a whole new need to facilitate.

However, I recommend reallocating resources.

Sirken because GM Director and is in charge of recruiting Guides/GMs, training them and quality control. He also handles the politics in game and that's all he has to do (it will be a cushy, but full time job ((making work schedules, prioritizing job loads, trainings, etc)))

He hires in about 15 new five-hour-a-week guides and four ten-hour-a-week GMs. (before he was pulling 20 hours, if he manages four GMs pulling 10 that would double the resources for his previous workload.)

LOL

Sirken is now in charge of less than 20 people to manage quality control, the server has a central person to get the CSR staff on the same page for rulings and policies, Rogean has to only communicate to ONE person (sirken) to move then entire CSR boat any direction he wants and we just doubled if not tripled the amount of resources we were throwing at the problem. Also, at 5-10 hours a week you would get a lot more guides...easily.

Only thing I'd change is if there was a concern on security issues, I'd throw in a trustworthy GM to be constantly checking on those four mini GMs that have database access. If there are only four of you with access and someone who's JOB it is to watch you then you won't step out of line.



I like your idealism very much, but this is ultimately a volunteer project.

P99 has had very few GMs. You are suggesting 4 new full blown GM's at once now, with 15 new Guides running buck wild all over the place? And you want the already burdened and encumbered overworked volunteer Sirken to do it? Oh my.

Sorry m'lord, but that is not realistic. Unless you can sample Sirken's DNA and cloning is a thing now. Now that matrix agent smith avatar makes sense....

The server would be blessed to have just one more GM. Any mentally stable, financially secure, happily married with a family, and a great career who could lend his time, Bueller...Bueller...?

[Champion_Standing]

I like your idealism very much, but this is ultimately a volunteer project.

P99 has had very few GMs. You are suggesting 4 new full blown GM's at once now, with 15 new Guides running buck wild all over the place? And you want the already burdened and encumbered overworked volunteer Sirken to do it? Oh my.

Sorry m'lord, but that is not realistic. Unless you can sample Sirken's DNA and cloning is a thing now. Now that matrix agent smith avatar makes sense....

The server would be blessed to have just one more GM. Any mentally stable, financially secure, happily married with a family, and a great career who could lend his time, Bueller...Bueller...?

If you meet those qualifications chances are you do not give a shit about P99

[am0n]

The server would be blessed to have just one more GM. Any mentally stable, financially secure, happily married with a family, and a great career who could lend his time, Bueller...Bueller...?

I imagine most of them aren't interested in working 20 additional hours each week.

Which I think is the crux of the problem. While it makes sense for Sirken to want them available at specific times and a minimum time committment, the people who are married with children and a full-time job are likely looking to use their little bit of free time to unwind, not work. If the commitment was less, such that you could have half a dozen who all put in less time (which may also mean they'd burn out less quickly), you might be able to find some of the people you think are needed.

[Artaenc]

I'll tell your mother on you. Shame, Shame! Such lies.



The guides/gms who are no longer around leave on bad terms. So they hang their head and go. I think Zade and myself are the only ones who weren't fired/removed. I know I just moved on for my own reasons. Being a guide is the same shit as having a job in real life. There are politics, frustration, supervisors you don't always agree with, overbearing work load that has a tendency to never get done, and just the feeling you are beating your head against the wall. Interaction with the players and doing small things like illusions between petitions and having people chat you up because of it is pretty much the most rewarding part.

Yet you players know how most of the server acts, so it can be rare to have a great conversation with people you are helping. You get so pumped you clean out petitions in game, and get like 50 IP exemptions done ( shit takes a long time. Typing #ipexempt char 321723984, hot keys don't work for it unless you tab back to #ipexempt. Still time consuming to do that also) and you turn around and some dude is fishing real life information about you, or just being a total pain in the ass to other players. It's a drain. Some people can take it for a long period of time, others can't, and the ones left are the ones who really who are afk anyways and it doesn't bother them since they don't get their hands dirty.

Unless the ip exemption stuff has changed, and it should, I think that will be one of the major flaws for guides. It's the number 1 time consuming action a guide can do ( a lot more goes into it other than the in game command). The leeway for petitionable items is also a drain. There is a reason why Sirken has almost 200 petitions only he can do. I would rather be told tough shit, you dropped items on your own, than have my petition sit for the next 4 months without any response. Of course Sirken is the only one allowed to since Deru shit the bed and most likely won't be another GM with database access again.

Yes it's a thankless job. Yes guides/gm spend their free time doing it. There is also a reasonable notion that there should be a reasonable response to issues, and not cry about " omgerhhhed we don't get paid. You wanted the position, you got it. That's your incentive.

There are good and bad things. Things can always be improved.

Also, I had a guy who owned a company offer body armor/fun stuff for when I was deployed. So there are some great people on this server, there are also a lot of debby downers. I hope this cleared it up for you.

Hey how about Ambrotos and Eunomia come help out some until they can get more help! Good times when you guys were around on the server for sure.

[bktroost]

I like your idealism very much, but this is ultimately a volunteer project.

P99 has had very few GMs. You are suggesting 4 new full blown GM's at once now, with 15 new Guides running buck wild all over the place? And you want the already burdened and encumbered overworked volunteer Sirken to do it? Oh my.

Sorry m'lord, but that is not realistic. Unless you can sample Sirken's DNA and cloning is a thing now. Now that matrix agent smith avatar makes sense....

The server would be blessed to have just one more GM. Any mentally stable, financially secure, happily married with a family, and a great career who could lend his time, Bueller...Bueller...?


Ahh that's where vision casting comes in.

The very reason that you are skeptical is the reason it works. A plan that draws skepticism also draws interest. If you can sure the cracks and convince someone beyond their initial skepticism they become an advocate.

Cast the final product wide and strong. How many people on this server want a community where GMs are empowered and free of the burdensome grind that keep them locked up?

How many frustrated guides are fed up with being bogged down by IP exemptions-- knowing that 50% of their good work is going to malicious cheaters. Are they fed up with a constant inbox that never seems to go down? Don't guides want their time to be helping resolve petitions? Don't players want petitions resolved in under a 4 month period?


If the vision has value and the process is workable (assume for a moment the resources are there) then the volunteers will come. Don't presume to stifle the community's devotion--even on this thread two people said they would do it if they could give 5 hours. With a strong vision they believed in I bet they'd even be willing to give more.

I raise over 20 million a year through non profits to keep daily operations running by helping them organize and structure their infrastructure and external marketing. Blah, blah, blah, it works.

Leaders can't be afraid to make the changes necessary. They have to believe confidently in their vision for a successful system. If their system works, their belief is infectious and they are confident to their core things like Apple Inc. are created out of a kids garage.

Anyway, it's not like anything will be changed on this forum, but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents out there.

[Verenity]

#BringBackUthgaard2015

[Artaenc]

#BringBackUthgaard2015

I enjoyed Uthgaard's events also, I keep hoping he would/can come back one day.

[Sirken]

Uthgaard was removed on "good" terms. He was also full GM. Big difference from a guide. Can't remember if Sirken was lead CSR during the uthgaard era or not. Would have made uthgaard a subordinate GM.
I don't really recall sirken being a GM back then. The only GMs/guides I ever had contact with back then was bort, uthgard, xzerion, and a GM whose name started with an H, like hobby?
Sadly, Uthgaard and I were never on the staff at the same time. there was an Amelinda hiccup between his times as GM and mine. really its too bad though, because i think me and him would have made a great team. just imagine the goodcop/badcop possibilities with me and Uthgaard.

[Verenity]

Uthgaard was a great guide but definitely did some shady things. One time, I was invited to a HS group on my cleric by Tiggles. It was me, him, 3 random people I forget, and Uthgaard on a barbarian bard with an epic and epic 1.5 pulling all of HS south for us and tanking. We also killed some Chardok stuff iirc. It was pretty crazy, I believe it was within the first month or so of Kunark. I never really knew why Uthgaard was helping us, just that Tiggles was good friends with him or something so he wanted to help out/have some fun with us. Didn't really affect the server in any way except getting all of us some great exp for a night.

[Seltius]

Take care Moregan you will be missed. You seemed to be around a lot and tried to be helpful. The event you did was fun to watch in OOC. Good luck!

[SamwiseRed]

amelinda broadcasting that her kids were driving her nuts was definitely not good for the server back then

[Itap]

Uth got a little ban happy iirc

[iruinedyourday]

Poor fililbus

[Champion_Standing]

plenty of people out here ready to be GMs for the server, but due to reasons that are unclear to me they wont take us.

shits retarded.

Maybe cuz ur completely insane?

[khysanth]

Lol @ bring Uthgaard back

[Sirken]

Lol @ bring Uthgaard back

its funny, because a lot of times i forget that not everyone knows the full story behind things.

some staff have been removed.
some have simply resigned.
and some decide after a week or two that its not all fun and games and that it's just not for them.

i will say, we have absolutely had more than 2 in each of those categories ;)

[Oleris]

bring back sirken stream.

[maestrom]

bring back sirken stream.

Past two Monday's I've been all dressed up with nowhere to go.

[Pringles]

Agatha wondering why he can't be a GM? Heh.

[Itap]

Agatha wondering why he can't be a GM? Heh.

Opiates

[Sirken]

bring back sirken stream.

i really would love to. but literally every free second i have on the computer is going towards petitions. no rust, no stream, barely any hearthstone.

and if i did stream, and someone QQd about how i should be doing petitions instead of trying to have fun for two hours a week, i might legitimately murder them.

so best to avoid the whole thing for a bit. i might try changing the night. i dunno.

[iruinedyourday]

i really would love to. but literally every free second i have on the computer is going towards petitions. no rust, no stream, barely any hearthstone.

and if i did stream, and someone QQd about how i should be doing petitions instead of trying to have fun for two hours a week, i might legitimately murder them.

so best to avoid the whole thing for a bit. i might try changing the night. i dunno.

well, maybe you should get yourself MORE assistants what does roGeAN think about that? ;)

[andvarion]

What is the difference between a Guide and GM?

[Gimp]

What is the difference between a Guide and GM?

The commands available to them

[Oleris]

What is the difference between a Guide and GM?

gm have all abilities. They answer raid petitions, summon items and do everything with database. Guides get corpses, deal with camp disputes, bring mob corpses that might be unlootable etc. GM's have all the power and guides handle lesser issues.

[Tupakk]

gm have all abilities. They answer raid petitions, summon items and do everything with database. Guides get corpses, deal with camp disputes, bring mob corpses that might be unlootable etc. GM's have all the power and guides handle lesser issues.

Try to handle issues. The ratio I was told was. Your given a squirt gun and rubber bands to shoot and handcuff to catch crimnals.

[Itap]

i really would love to. but literally every free second i have on the computer is going towards petitions. no rust, no stream, barely any hearthstone.

and if i did stream, and someone QQd about how i should be doing petitions instead of trying to have fun for two hours a week, i might legitimately murder them.

so best to avoid the whole thing for a bit. i might try changing the night. i dunno.

Let me be your hero babyyy

[John2020]

You hear a rumbling in the bushes from behind you. John2020 jumps out of them and you are very surprised.

"dont worry everyone, I will be your guide" says John2020

John2020 puts on his green name to show that he is now a guide.

But whatever you do, in the words of the great jiminy cricket, dont "let your conscience be your guide", but let John2020 be your guide!

[Sweettouch]

You hear a rumbling in the bushes from behind you. John2020 jumps out of them and you are very surprised.

"dont worry everyone, I will be your guide" says John2020

John2020 puts on his green name to show that he is now a guide.

But whatever you do, in the words of the great jiminy cricket, dont "let your conscience be your guide", but let John2020 be your guide!

Ya...6763

[Sirken]

gm have all abilities. They answer raid petitions, summon items and do everything with database. Guides get corpses, deal with camp disputes, bring mob corpses that might be unlootable etc. GM's have all the power and guides handle lesser issues.

not correct.

i have 0 DB access as a GM.
Braknar has some db access as a senior guide.
and only Rogean and Nilbog have max in game access.

power is separated on purpose so that it takes two keys to fire the nukes. and your access is directly related to what tasks you do on staff. anyone that thinks they are going to join the staff and be given the keys to the castle is out of their mind. every time theres one bad staff member, it makes all the rest of us look like shit. and the reason for that is because most nerds dont say "staff member X did this shitty thing", they say, "the p99 staff did this shitty thing".

anyways,

themoreyouknow.gif

[Sweettouch]

not correct.

i have 0 DB access as a GM.
Braknar has some db access as a senior guide.
and only Rogean and Nilbog have max in game access.

power is separated on purpose so that it takes two keys to fire the nukes. and your access is directly related to what tasks you do on staff. anyone that thinks they are going to join the staff and be given the keys to the castle is out of their mind. every time theres one bad staff member, it makes all the rest of us look like shit. and the reason for that is because most nerds dont say "staff member X did this shitty thing", they say, "the p99 staff did this shitty thing".

anyways,

themoreyouknow.gif

All said and considered I think you guys do a good job and the crybaby minority needs to move on and be patient

[eisley]

thank you for your service Moregan

[Llodd]

i really would love to. but literally every free second i have on the computer is going towards petitions. no rust, no stream, barely any hearthstone.

and if i did stream, and someone QQd about how i should be doing petitions instead of trying to have fun for two hours a week, i might legitimately murder them.

so best to avoid the whole thing for a bit. i might try changing the night. i dunno.

This is pretty much why I dont petition every little thing like so many here do.

GM's / Guides have enough to do without you petitioning that the sky colour isnt quite like you remembered it or your mum forgot to buy milk at the store.

Any chance of a petition leaderboard ?

[AzzarTheGod]

i have 0 DB access as a GM.
Braknar has some db access as a senior guide.
and only Rogean and Nilbog have max in game access.


I think most people casually associate summoning items and corpses with DB access.

I realized there would be no reason that item restores require actual DB access. Just reviewing server logs and using functions a #summon or #summoncorpse type of thing, no DB access required.

But a philosophical question is do you kinda sorta have DB access if you are allowed to write to the DB? #Summoning even with a function means you have the power to indirectly write to the item DB. Maybe you do have DB access, just not in the traditional definition, like actually having real DB access. :o

[Sirken]

But a philosophical question is do you kinda sorta have DB access if you are allowed to write to the DB? #Summoning even with a function means you have the power to indirectly write to the item DB. Maybe you do have DB access, just not in the traditional definition, like actually having real DB access. :o

having your activity logged is not the same as having write access to a database, even in a philisophical sense.

by your logic, players can write to the database every time they do anything that we log.

so, i have the same same database access to p99 that you have.

[Oleris]

what did you do to lose access to the database?

[Sirken]

what did you do to lose access to the database?

ive never had db access nerd :p

i make requests to a staff member that has it when i need something pulled, or the petition isnt flagged for me

[AzzarTheGod]

so, i have the same same database access to p99 that you have.

I knew we all had something in common. :o

Wonder if ol' Derupal had DB access, it seemed like he was doing a lot of the same work that Braknar is currently focused on and responsible for.

[Tupakk]

not correct.

i have 0 DB access as a GM.
Braknar has some db access as a senior guide.
and only Rogean and Nilbog have max in game access.

power is separated on purpose so that it takes two keys to fire the nukes. and your access is directly related to what tasks you do on staff. anyone that thinks they are going to join the staff and be given the keys to the castle is out of their mind. every time theres one bad staff member, it makes all the rest of us look like shit. and the reason for that is because most nerds dont say "staff member X did this shitty thing", they say, "the p99 staff did this shitty thing".

anyways,

themoreyouknow.gif

I don't think anyone expects that you get everything right up front, but I think if someone is brought on they should get an opinion or a say in operations after a while. The small amount of time I talked to Moregan the more it made me not want to join up and help because the amount of road blocks are staggering. Honestly I feel that the bottom staff me beers get the blunt end of the stick with having the ability to guide effiecently. When you have such a long list of petitions and issues. I like the idea of having a decent amount lower end staff to deal with the day to day. I know that was the final straw that broke the camels back. Overload of "work" and not enough involvement with the game as it is a constant workload of fixing everyone's problems small or large.

I would love to know what your plans are for lower staff because you have no one picking up the slack now which adds an extra load to the rest of the staff, aka. Sirken because never have I seen Nilbog or Rogean in the game for anything after a year of playing not saying they aren't making the server better but they are more on DB side and not GM side.

[eisley]

what did you do to lose access to the database?

he explained earlier that he has zero DB access but has the trust of rogean/nilbog to get them to access/alter the DB if he deems it necessary, so that every decision requires two people.

[Lojik]

ive never had db access nerd :p

i make requests to a staff member that has it when i need something pulled, or the petition isnt flagged for me

Shouldn't you be answering petitions instead of posting essays?







I have a deathwish

[BahamutDF]

Sirken backwards =

Nekris

Rogean backwards =

Neagor

Nilbog backwards =

!!Goblin !!

Essentially what this tells me is that p99 staff, namely Sirken and Rogean are illuminati (confirmed) and Nilbog is their goblin overlord (99% on this one).

I knew there was something fishy about this place...

[Gustoo]

not correct.

every time theres one bad staff member, it makes all the rest of us look like shit. and the reason for that is because most nerds dont say "staff member X did this shitty thing", they say, "the p99 staff did this shitty thing".



I think if there was some transparency, no one would say this. Since everything is constantly shrouded in mystery, there is a lot of room for speculation.

Say some nut had full access and junked a lot of stuff up.

Staff says "Looks like we made a mistake letting SOANDSO volunteer as a guide, we have reverted all of the damage he has done, sorry! Hopefully we get some good staff members to replace him!"

No one would blame you guys for something like that.

[AzzarTheGod]

Shouldn't you be answering petitions instead of posting essays?

I have a deathwish

Many of us appreciate Sirken providing a small amount of insight into how petitions are handled so we can have a better respect for waiting times.

I'll take more "essays" anytime. Although my favorite topic isn't allowed to be discussed, that being the juicy details of various staff happenings. Hoho

[Sirken]

Shouldn't you be answering petitions instead of posting essays?
I have a deathwish

its a very fair question. the reason is because i cant do petitions from my irl job. and if its slow at work, i just browse the forums and write walls of text to pass the time.

<3